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TRNCVaughan

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 13:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 2 of 140 in Discussion |
| Bet he was clenching like a good'un. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 13:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 3 of 140 in Discussion |
| Cruel but fair |
Mr Vince

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 16:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 4 of 140 in Discussion |
| When I was in Singapore there was an incident when the drunken 16 year old son of an American diplomat vandalized several cars. He was tried and sentenced to 6 strokes and deportation. His father kicked up a storm but the sentence stood. He was caned, had his wounds treated and deported the same day. His father left claiming that Singapore was a barbaric third world country. I can bet that this boy will never vandalize anything again in his life. If this punishment was applied in Britain to the convicted rioter, would their Human Rights be violated? Or is Community service sufficient? Or does this also infringe on their Right to Assembly? |
loulou


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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 17:01 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 5 of 140 in Discussion |
| Do what they do in the usa shoot looters on site wont b many turning out then |
vonny

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 17:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 6 of 140 in Discussion |
| Ouch,i bet it was a long time before he could sit down again,if that form of punishment was in the uk i bet they would behave themselves so much better knowing what they faced if they didnt |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 17:33 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 7 of 140 in Discussion |
| When I was at school, I got caned many times,but never for the same thing,so it must work.. |
nurseawful


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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 17:41 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 8 of 140 in Discussion |
| That is barbaric, I couldn't watch the video all the way through! But I guess he will think twice about breaking the law in the future. Chris |
EamonnMc

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 18:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 9 of 140 in Discussion |
| I agree, barbaric, please remove the link it's too extreme ! |
BigMart

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 18:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 10 of 140 in Discussion |
| Not extreme enough in my opinion ! |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 18:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 11 of 140 in Discussion |
| The same as post 8 I couldn't watch it all the way through it was sickening. |
philbailey

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 18:56 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 12 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg9, it is real life wake up to the world around you |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 13 of 140 in Discussion |
| Message 12, of course It's real life but do you think as a law abiding citizen I have anything to gain from watching such things for pleasure. To me it speak volumes about those people who choose to yet are taking the morale high ground. |
philbailey

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 14 of 140 in Discussion |
| So the news should not tell you that another soldier has been killed ? Where do you draw the line ? |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 15 of 140 in Discussion |
| Telling people someone has been killed and enjoying watching them be killed is very different |
philbailey

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 16 of 140 in Discussion |
| Can you sell me some rose tinted glasses please or some cotton wool |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 17 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 16 Because you choose to watch someone being tortured and think it's ok, I found it sickening and have no need to watch such things why does that mean I'm seeing the world through rose tinted glasses? We all know this stuff goes on I lived in Asia for 5 years and have been to Singapore many times and have seen many sad and awful things in my journeys to different countries. Just because I don't enjoy this or feel the need to see someone suffering doesn't make me nieve just shows I have some empathy. |
philbailey

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 18 of 140 in Discussion |
| Empathy for the looters in the uk? |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 19:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 19 of 140 in Discussion |
| Did I say that ? I guess we need to agree to disagree msg 18 life's too short and there is too much I still haven't done. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 20 of 140 in Discussion |
| So, 'mistymoppet', how would you propose to deal with these larrikins? Send them on an exotic holiday swimming with dolphins? I wonder how many of these, so-called, 'do-gooders' have actually been victims of these yobs' anti-social behaviour? I had my car nearly completely trashed in the Brixton riots - we were returning from the sub-aqua exhibition at Crystal Palace - it was around 1981, I think. Who remembers that incident? |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 21 of 140 in Discussion |
| You see msg 20 this is the problem with forums, people see what they want to see not what was actually written. I have NEVER said that you shouldn't be tough on these sorts of people, what I said was that it was sickening to watch a man being tortured just like maybe you wouldn't enjoy watching a video of a women giving birth or a dog being skinned alive. Why is the fact that I think it creepy and disturbing to want to watch someone being tortured a problem for you? My own mother has been mugged and I was once attacked in the street walking home at night by someone with a baseball bat and beaten for no reason other than they where on drugs. |
philbailey

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:17 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 22 of 140 in Discussion |
| What is wrong with a woman giving birth ? |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 23 of 140 in Discussion |
| message 22 I believe I answered you in message 19 |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 24 of 140 in Discussion |
| You don't present any problem for me, 'mistymoppet'- only your attitude in respect of these criminals. I ask you again - what method do you consider should be immediately adopted by the British government in order to deter such heinous behaviour, once and for all? Something must be done, and quickly - don't you agree? As for 'torture' - no, this video clip, however brutal, depicted legally organised corporal punishment - the best deterrent for such scum, and the only 'reasoning' they are capable of understanding! They wouldn't revel in violence if they were on the receiving end! As things stand they know they can do whatever they like with almost complete impunity - they currently enjoy 'Yobs Diplomatic Immunity'! |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:47 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 25 of 140 in Discussion |
| Understand this punishment was for drug smuggling, pehaps all you liberal dogoodes on this thread condone how the drug trade affects our young people. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 20:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 26 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg 24 please explain what attitude you're talking about towards these criminals??? I have not said don't punish criminals or that the punishment should not be tough! This is in your head. What I said was I found watching that man being tortured sickening and I couldn't and didn't want to watch it. Just because Singapore use it for corporal punishment doesn't change it being barbaric, I wonder how you would get on if your child did something wrong or you indadvertedly broke the law and this was done to you. Anyway I actually about to have some dinner and watch the cricket so have a good evening guys, and watch that blood pressure. |
Ballyboffin

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 21:04 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 27 of 140 in Discussion |
| I also found it upsetting, though if I am totally honest a few lashes would perhaps save the British taxpayer more money than keeping the offenders in the ' Holiday Camps '! Bear in mind that Manx Law allowed birching until 1976. |
Tonyta

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 21:21 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 28 of 140 in Discussion |
| Message 27, you are right about the Isle of man, I took note that in 1976 they had one prison on the island that was half empty, I now believe they have many more. |
vonny

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Message Posted: 11/08/2011 22:10 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 29 of 140 in Discussion |
| Ten, The video was hard to watch,but if he was caught smuggling drugs,he must of known the penalty if caught.The UK does need to dish out stricter punishment,but there is so much corruption within the police,can they be trusted enough?its a difficult subject. I am still trying to work out,why,at the beginning of all this,the police claimed Mark Duggan shot at the police first,hitting a PC,s radio,then it was said,the bullet didnt come from Marks gun (surely that pc knew that)then we are told Marks gun was found near his body,then it was in his sock.So how do we know that the gun wasnt planted on him,there are a lot of things that dont add up |
MsGarnet

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 03:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 30 of 140 in Discussion |
| Do the resident polemicists of this forum think female drug smugglers should receive the same punishment as the person in the video? If not - why not? In my opinion to carry out such a barbaric punishment says everything about the people carrying out the sentence - that they haven't moved on for the past few hundred years. It also speaks of sado-masochist (not forgetting sexual) tendancies, anyone brutalised in such a way will more than likely pass on the message they learn that if you don't like what a person does, you inflict horrendous pain, damage their body and mind permanently rather than use the voice box we (alone in the animal world possess) have, to communicate with, to teach, tutor, train..I find it disquieting that such a video (similar to the beheading ones) are available for any age to view -it is corrupting to the psyche and not necessary. Such barbarism has no place in 21st century, all societies should have evolved way past such behaviour... |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 09:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 31 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg30...If all 21st century societies had evolved,there would be no need for the UN,NATO,and the like...And countries like the USA would be able to save Trillions of Dollars of "Defence" money ,in order to put their House in order. |
Rottolover


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 09:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 32 of 140 in Discussion |
| In singapore, Ms Garnet, where such punishment is legal, most certainly. No discrimination. But why would you read sado-masochism (not forgetting sexual) tendencies into the punishment? In my opinion, that takes a mind of a particular bent. I saw none of that in the clip, just some serious punishment being meted out to a convicted drug dealer. Not for the squeamish, certainly, but effective? It seems to be. I well remember two Australians, Barlow and Chambers, being hanged in Singapore for similar offences. Ms Garnet, it is unarguable that all societies should have evolved way past brutal, sadistic behaviour. Unfortunately, the sad fact is that they haven't. So instead of offering shedloads of 'motherhood' wish-lists and hand-wringing hopes for the future, why don't you share with we polemicists just what it is that would solve the problem of how to deal with the rioters/thugs/criminals who are behaving in such an unevolved way at present in the UK? |
Carndi

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 09:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 33 of 140 in Discussion |
| I can remember in the late 50's or early 60's and seeing the news about two lads from Scotland who were punished for some offence and were to be canned on the Isle of Man After the punishment they were being deported and were interviewed about the punishment. Having spat out a torrent of abuse about the system, they said that they would never again go on holiday to the Isle of Man. Great result for the Isle of Man |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 09:55 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 34 of 140 in Discussion |
| MsGarnet -Msg 30: ' all societies should have evolved way past such behaviour... ' Clearly, certain echelons of UK society have not, as is all too alarmingly evidenced by these riots - your Utopian statement (above) is both superfluous and poignantly demonstrates your basic misconception of the true mentality of these anarchistıc, moronic louts. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 10:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 35 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 34: Should have read: 'superfluous and irrelevant and....' |
johnerebus


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 12:16 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 36 of 140 in Discussion |
| Hi Mistymoppet, I seems some people just didn't read what you posted, i.e. 'I found it sickening and have no need to watch such things'. And then they accuse you of being soft on criminals when you don't mention that at all and say that you just don't want to watch such things. As you say, 'It's all in their heads.' Perhaps those who did enjoy watching would also have gone to the British public hangings of the past with their sandwiches and had a great day out. So the consensus against you say: flog em, hang em, brutalise em and make it all public so we can all feel better. Well, perhaps not all of us. I wish you well - John PS I try to keep my body healthy with preventative medicine, exercise and eating healthily as prevention is better than cure. Some part of the British national body is sick and prevention would have been better but now it has to be cured. And I don't know what the cure is - in the REAL world of 2011 |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 12:31 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 37 of 140 in Discussion |
| Were the Manx birchings, or army and Borstal canings, done in public? Answer: of course not! No sane, balanced person should feel 'better' about such punishment - but all you proponents of the 'softly, softly' treatment of these evil, dangerous hooligans, clearly have nil conception of their mindset, yet you persist in insisting that corporal punishment is 'brutal' and should not be re-introduced in this day and age. However, none of you can suggest any alternative that would constitute an appropriate deterrent. |
EamonnMc

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 15:44 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 38 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 37, This is Not punishment, this is Brutality and Torture ! There may be a place for moderate corporal punishment in dealing with hooligans ( male and female ) but this is truly excessive ! Drug smugglers and other serious criminals should be locked away for a very long time, without parole but should not be executed or brutalized. |
hattikins

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 16:35 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 39 of 140 in Discussion |
| I totally agree with message 38, without doubt these rioters, looters and the like should be punished but I for one would hate to be part of a society that condoned the use of such barbaric punishment. |
Rottolover


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 17:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 40 of 140 in Discussion |
| That's all very fine, hattikins, and you're as entitled to an opinion as is everyone. But, unfortunately, hand-wringing only seems to beget more hand-wringing. If you wish to adopt the moral high ground, then I believe you are obliged to provide a practical solution to the problem. It isn't nearly good enough to bemoan the troubles, but to castigate those who suggest fighting fire with fire. You need to suggest a workable solution that doesn't stoop to those levels you despise. I doubt Ms Garnet's teaching, tutoring and training is going to cut it... |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 17:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 41 of 140 in Discussion |
| It appears that nobody wants to see rioters and looters on the streets, but when it comes to punishment for these criminals, the liberal do gooder side of YOUR make up takes over. |
EamonnMc

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 18:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 42 of 140 in Discussion |
| Seems to me that many people are not reading the posts properly and are allowing their prejudices to cloud their responses ! |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 19:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 43 of 140 in Discussion |
| Re. Msg 41: You're quite right, 'Rottolover', these 'yob sympathisers', having been asked umpteen times, are unable to come up with a viable solution to mob violence. It is perfectly obvious that such criminals need to be humbled into respect for law and order and 'community service' punishment [due to the prisons being full] is, all too evidently, completely inadequate. However, if I lived in UK, and had the opportunity to vote in a referendum on 'Bring Back Corporal Punishment' [i.e., birch/cane] for vandals and muggers, I certainly am in no doubt as to how I would cast my vote! |
jamboree

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 20:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 44 of 140 in Discussion |
| looters, muggers, would deserve this sort punishment, and those out there that call this barbaric thats your opinion, but if you or a member of your family got looted (your property emptied then burnt and left on the street)or mugged (beaten and robbed then left bleeding on the street). what punishment would you like or recommend for these offences. this question to the people here who are against this sort of punishment.. it was disgusting what has happened in england and should never be allowed to happen again. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 21:27 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 45 of 140 in Discussion |
| There is no doubt that there, indeed, should be a UK referendum on this issue of recommendation of punishment. If the resultant vote should prove to maintain the 'status quo', then the UK can certainly expect countless more incidents of this hysterical mob behaviour. When they do, they shouldn't utter a single word of complaint, because they will have got what they voted for and thoroughly deserve! It's called 'Democracy'! |
johnerebus


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 21:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 46 of 140 in Discussion |
| Jamboree, You say 'it was disgusting what has happened in England and should never be allowed to happen again.' I totally agree, and as I mentioned in an earlier post, 'Prevention is better than cure'. Now how do we prevent the recent horrors happening again? Those culpable and appearing in the courts are a real mixture. some professionals and many 'gangstas' bur... I'm currently working in London with ten young people who were NEETS -Not in Education Employment or Training. To seven of them I have insisted and they've agreed to councelling and they are all benefiting. How? They've been able to articulate and release the anger of their individual issues which included: sexual abuse as children, the murder of a mother, repeated domestic violence, absent fathers and lack of positive parenting. The list is longer but you've probably got an idea of the baggage these people were caryying that had to be confronted and dealt with before they were able to function positively. T B C |
johnerebus


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 21:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 47 of 140 in Discussion |
| All ten are now working as apprentices and are all at college. If this scheme they are on had not been in place I'm certain most of the ten would have been involved in the recent problems. At the same youth club another ten each year are enrolled on the Youth Worker Course and after two years progress on to university and this year they climbed the three highest peaks in the UK in 3 days to raise money for a village they visited and helped build a youth centre in the Dominican republic. But... because of the recent cuts two workers had to go. The club that has been running for 25 years is in financial difficulties as funding from business is now highly competed for by many voluntary organisations. So the solution...Address the individual emotional and psychological causes, the horrendous damage done, to some young people in our society. It's not a quick fix and can be costly but PREVENTION is BETER THAN CURE. I aint a 'Do Gooder just v concerned about what's happening here in the UK. |
jamboree

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 21:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 48 of 140 in Discussion |
| johnerebus it sounds like you are doing a very good job, i hope it all works out for them. for a small amout of these offender it will work out well, but what if there is no change in attitudes and habits of these youngsters? where do you draw the line on councelling ? do you give up or carry on ? you said 7 of them what about the other 3 what did they opt for? |
Rottolover


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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 22:06 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 49 of 140 in Discussion |
| I applaud what you're doing, John, and it's a great shame there aren't about 100,000 more like you to really make a difference. |
hattikins

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 22:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 50 of 140 in Discussion |
| Message 40 I am not hand wringing nor am I taking the moral high ground, I don't know what the answer is, punishment of course but I found the level of violence in the video very extreme and would hate to think a civilised society would have to resort to such. Message 43 I am certainly not a yob sympathiser and if you read my post with a more open mind that would be very obvious, again I will say I don't know what the answer is but out and out violence and degradation is not it. I accept your opinions, please accept mine and try not to patronise me. |
MsGarnet

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 22:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 51 of 140 in Discussion |
| Rottolover - I said (a mere female) "...anyone brutalised in such a way will more than likely pass on the message they learn that if you don't like what a person does, you inflict horrendous pain, damage their body and mind permanently rather than use the voice box we (alone in the animal world possess) have, to communicate with, to teach, tutor, train..." to which you said "...I doubt Ms Garnet's teaching, tutoring and training is going to cut it..." johnerebus (a male) said "...To seven of them I have insisted....agreed to councelling...they are all benefiting. How?...able to articulate and release the anger... included:sexual abuse as children, the murder of a mother, repeated domestic violence...All ten...working as apprentices...all at college. If this scheme they are on had not been in place...certain most of the ten would have been involved" to which you replied "...I applaud...and it's a great shame there aren't 100,000 more like you..." Make up your mind! |
cassius

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 22:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 52 of 140 in Discussion |
| It might be a little bit off topic but I would like to relate this experience to you all. I was in the Boukhan (spelling not right) In the center of Nicosia today, When a young boy 8/10 years old, stood in the middle of the square and was shouting at his Parents/Guardians 20 Yrd's away, that he wanted .... "This that and The other" so I said In a loud voice for him to "shut up" He looked at me and ran to his group and started crying. The women in the group looked at me with 'daggers' but the male in the party kept his back to me... Was it the fact that this YOUNG PERSON (Politcally correct reference) Had never been told to do that ever????? (Is Disipline a forgoten thing?) I am not proud of what I did, BUT we were enjoying a nice quiet lunch and chat prior to this incident. That was rudely interupted. Cass |
halffull

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Message Posted: 12/08/2011 23:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 53 of 140 in Discussion |
| All the "do gooders" and "oh it's so awful" should remember what these animals did in London and other cities and that that punishment was metered out with due juditial correctess, the criminal committed the crime and recieved the punishment.. People have said "bring back the birch" on this forum at least this punishment was properly overseen. It's the "do gooders" and "oh its awful" brigade which have led the UK the the depths of degradation it is now in. I once witnessed what happened to an attempted rapist in Singapore, he was never arrested because he didn't live long enough for the police to arrive! |
Ailletoo

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 00:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 54 of 140 in Discussion |
| I lived in Singapore for many years. This punishment does not have to be carried out very often because.. it is a deterrent and it works. There was virtually no petty crime at all when I lived there and Graffitti was unheard of. They also have national service in Singapore which instils respect for people and property. i seriously believe that National Service should be re-introduced in the UK. |
bigOz

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 01:23 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 55 of 140 in Discussion |
| I agree "that prevention is better than cure" & also agree that there should be more discipline handed out to the young BUT WHO BY? The prevention process can only start at home & school. The problem with most British living in UK (or here) is; no discipline at home. Children are either ignored or pampered until they are spoiled rotten! As for schools, no one is supposed to as much as touch a student for any disciplinary action. All those who had/have children going to schools in UK or here, HOW MANY OF YOU would not object to a teacher giving a good slap to your child, if he/she was totally disrespectful, a bully, and used bad language which you were never aware he/she could be capable of? YOU would be asking for the teacher's head! Now, the same people are asking "what's wrong with the children in UK?" saying "shoot them all", "stick them into boot camps", and "bring back national service". Really? (The above applies to the majority of Brits, but of course not to all) |
bertieboss

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 02:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 56 of 140 in Discussion |
| Anyone who thinks the contents of that clip were acceptable is not wired up correctly !! |
MsGarnet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 02:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 57 of 140 in Discussion |
| My daughter has never had a hand raised to her. I chose her schools by interviewing the Headmistress (Montessori, then the Headmistress of her Junior School) and then the Headmaster - the senior school to which she obtained a scholorship. Of great importance to me, was that there was NO corporal punishment, as private schools can pretty much make up their own rules and regulations after adhering to the core subjects. My daughter was often a child from hell during her teenage years, but we got through them, by removing treats, cancelling upcoming delights, stopping pocket money - whatever worked... She wasn't /isn't, perfect, anymore than we are, but she is articulate, kindly, has appropriate social skills, judges everyone by their disposition and not their colour, size, gender, education, sexual orientation... To my mind, our state school system in general has failed our children totally, as have our successive Governments - they are now hopeless and helpless on so many levels |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 08:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 58 of 140 in Discussion |
| Blame the system, blame the school, blame the government! Please tell us all WHO voted for this state of affairs? I don't know much about the UK, but it seems clear that too many parents have shirked their basic responsibilities and now apportion the blame to the very institutions they themselves voted for and now expect to ameliorate this social and moral collapse through counselling - it isn't working now and never will! How about: if you are convicted of mugging, GBH, or looting, you can expect a 'Manx style' caning? That seems to be what the British people must decide. Failure to do so will inevitably result in multiple repetitions of what we have all just witnessed on our television screen. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 08:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 59 of 140 in Discussion |
| P.S. I omitted to include rapists and paedophiles in the above category. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 09:52 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 60 of 140 in Discussion |
| message 43 Yours and comments like it are ridiculous, I said previously you guys are just seeing what you want to see in the posts and making your own conclusions. I haven't read anything saying that people sympathize with the yobs or looters just that the punishment in the clip was barbaric and not something normal people wanted to watch. Does it not concern you that you can watch this sort of thing and not be affected by it? do you not think it speaks volumes about the type of person you are that you don't consider it unpleasant viewing? To be honest if there where less people like you in the world who clearly get pleasure out of this type of video the world would also be a better place. Thanks message 36 it's nice to have one person with the sense to see what I said and what the decided I said was very different. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 10:13 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 61 of 140 in Discussion |
| sorry should of said the sense to see what I said rather than what people have decide I said was very different |
Rottolover


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 11:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 62 of 140 in Discussion |
| Oh dear, Ms Garnet...you're either deliberately misunderstanding my position and polemicising, or you are simply not able to comprehend it. So I'll try to make it clear... I applaud John because he is out there trying to do something to help, rather than sitting at home offering nothing more than platitudes about teaching, tutoring and training; and if there were another 100,000 trying to do the same then it just may benefit. But there aren't. I wouldn't presume to call you conceited or egotistical in describing how well you brought up your daughter, but your story is not relevant. Far too many other sons and daughters have clearly not been brought up as well as your child, and now, right now, are causing serious problems. Again, as much as I applaud John's efforts, I fear there is no alternative than to fight fire with fire, and the efforts of the Turkish shopkeepers are a prelude to what I believe will be one result of the riots: vigilantism. |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 12:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 63 of 140 in Discussion |
| Ms Garnet.....I was shocked and horrified at the scenes in the said video.However, if you had read the story ie; Man tied to a ladder and thrashed,would it have had the same effect as the "Visual" impact? I doubt it...,In posting the Video, Tenakoutou has demonstrated that visual impact is much more effective than words..I think all offenders should be shown this Video as a warning! It's time to get tough with these reprobates....I concur absolutely with Rottolover............ |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 17:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 64 of 140 in Discussion |
| I suggest 'Mistymoppet'/Msg 60, who writes: 'do you not think it speaks volumes about the type of person you are that you don't consider it unpleasant viewing?', reads my Msg 37 again ........'no sane person...etc., as I take exception to being categorised as some sort of pervert who takes plesure from the video clip depicted in my 'link'. Are you suggesting I am deranged by posting such a thread/link? You and your likeminded ilk are part and parcel of the reason that UK society has deteriorated to such a low ebb - you need to pull yourselves together and take stock of the situation! |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 17:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 65 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg 64 I don't believe I mentioned the work pervert in any of my posts but yes I do question the sort of person you are that you're not sickened by watching such a video. What I am suggesting is that watching such a video and not being disgusted by it is weird to me and I am as entitled as you are to voice my opinion. As I haven't lived in the Uk other than the past 3 months for 11 years I find it hard to understand how I have contributed to the state of things in UK. Perhaps could clarify it for me? It's still interesting to me that you believe my being sickened by such a video means I don't think people. Who break the law shouldn't be punished. Very, very blinkered world you're living in. I don't believe in hitting children either, I was never hit by my parents as a child and i don't go out and break the law. All you're teaching kids is if someone doesn't do what you want and you are bigger or stronger it's ok to use physical violence to get what you want. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 17:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 66 of 140 in Discussion |
| You have the gall to attempt to label my character! As a deluded surmiser, 'Mistymuppet', you 'take the biscuit'! |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 17:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 67 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 66, Is English your first language? I only ask because you don't seem to have the ability to understand what I am writing. Show me where I have labelled your character???????????? |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 68 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg67.."show me where I have labelled your character" Well, with msg60 2nd paragraph ,you certainly shot yourself in the foot..........misty muppet.!! |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 69 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 67: Check your own grammarless drivel - it borders on dyslexia; which prompts me to counter with your own question: 'Is English your first language?' It's not, actually - 'Zildish' is mine! |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 70 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg 68 how is that labelling your character? Your post makes no sense Oh dear you can't win an argument so have to resort to childish insults Well that explains your inability to understand the written English language, I would suggest you refrain from commenting on things if you don't understand what a poster has actually written. Anyway I've made my point I have no intention in getting into a tit for tat situation with you. |
simbas


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 71 of 140 in Discussion |
| Get personal and it gets closed Simbas |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:42 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 72 of 140 in Discussion |
| Apologies, 'Simbas'! So, to get back to the subject of this thread, how do the proponents of nil corporal punishment for persistent and outlandishly violent criminals suggest these characters should be made to pay the penalty for their wanton acts of grievous bodily harm, pillage and destruction? |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:46 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 73 of 140 in Discussion |
| I think mistymoppet would revert to the old tried and tested cure....Stand in the corner with a pointy hat on...that'll fix um. Personally I would go for 5 years "HARD" labour... |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 74 of 140 in Discussion |
| Hard labour, people who destroy property etc made to clean up graffiti, public toilets and other grotty jobs in the community. Violent crime should mean hard labour, breaking rocks all day long would soon use up some of that aggression and anger. |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 18:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 76 of 140 in Discussion |
| Very good Ten.. but I mean HARD labour in some colony somewhere miles from home,perhaps an island, somewhere Hot,Humid, Dusty,no infrastructure no Water....Oh Christ they could end up here. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 77 of 140 in Discussion |
| Having watched politicians,,top policemen, hardline rednecks, cotton wool liberals and uncle Tom Cobly and all,as time passes ,sweet b****r all will be done. We will be having the same discussion next time this happens, as it is bound to, because the majority of the liberal minded are frightened to punish these toerags. |
hattikins

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:08 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 78 of 140 in Discussion |
| I don't think anyone said don't punish them, but some said they thought the violence in the video was extreme, there is a difference. Unfortunately on this forum of late if anyone has a different opinion then the "yobs" move in and turn it personal, why do they do that, does it make them feel big shouting someone down and insulting them. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 79 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 78 No, but something has to be done and done quickly, if not anarchy will take over. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:29 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 80 of 140 in Discussion |
| 'Hard labour' is necessarily combined with incarceration! I would have thought the British taxpayers have had enough of utilising their contributions to house, feed and fettle all these criminals and rabble-rousers. A few sound thrashings at the local police station would cut the crime rate considerably - go on, Mr. Cameron and sundry cronies - you know it makes sense! |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:35 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 81 of 140 in Discussion |
| Do you honestly think that it would be possible to pass laws in UK or EU for that matter allowing floggings? |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:40 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 82 of 140 in Discussion |
| In answer to your question [Msg 81], 'mistymoppet', my response is to quote Rhett Butler's final words in 'Gone With The Wind': 'Frankly, Madam, I don't give a damn!' |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 83 of 140 in Discussion |
| Then why are you on the thread? Asking for something you know full well wont happen seems a little pointless |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 19:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 84 of 140 in Discussion |
| I'm with Ten on this,Guernsey only stopped "Birching" criminals in the late 60s....it was the UK's interference that stopped it..Should have minded their own business.... |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 20:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 85 of 140 in Discussion |
| No amount of wanting it will make it happen unfortunately |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 20:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 86 of 140 in Discussion |
| Oh, so now you are in favour of CP.? |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 20:24 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 87 of 140 in Discussion |
| No I'm not I ment unfortunately for you |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 21:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 88 of 140 in Discussion |
| Bit of a slippery answer don't you think. Bring back the Birch........... |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 21:30 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 89 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg 88 why is it? No I don't now nor ever will believe in corporal punishment, is that clear enough for you My comment was telling you that unfortunately no matter how much you want it, it isn't gonna happen. |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 22:02 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 90 of 140 in Discussion |
| OK you are not in favour of CP,where as I am,each to their own........Try not to show such Pedantry. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 13/08/2011 23:10 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 91 of 140 in Discussion |
| Perhaps the cotton wool liberals, would accept the preferred punishment meted out by paramilitarys in N Ireland," |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 08:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 92 of 140 in Discussion |
| These 'yobs' are scarring their victims for life, both physically and psychologically - it's past time they received a dose of their own medicine! Bring back CP - and the sooner the better for everyone! |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 12:12 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 93 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 92, Ageed, pysical violence is all this scum understand. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 12:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 94 of 140 in Discussion |
| The fact that most of the youths that have appeared in court have been under 18 and most had no parent with them speaks volumes. Even a 14 year old was there alone as her parents where too busy to attend, does this not show the upbringing these young people have had and the interest shown in them. Addressing some of these issues would be a good start |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 12:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 95 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 94, Agreed, if the cotton wool liberal state had not taken over the job of parents and encouraged this feral society things might not be as bad as they are. Don`t you think that a 14 year old is old enogh to know right from wrong ,if not ,it is a sad society thinkers like you have encouraged. Perhaps CP is for the parents not the children. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 12:51 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 96 of 140 in Discussion |
| I don't agree that parents have been stopped doing their job, parents are the ones who allow there kids to run wild so long as they are bothering them. I see it every time I am out some kids demanding an ice cream or fizzy drink and being told no then the whining and tantrums begin until the parent gives in and they get what they want. Again you're not listening to what I said I never said they weren't old enough to know right from wrong but are you seriously telling me you can see know connection between a persons upbringing and the people they turn out to be? Parents need to take responsibility for the kids they bring into the world and not look to society to do it for them, too many kids are born unwanted and are just an inconvenience. What chance do they have in life if there own parents couldn't care less about them. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:00 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 97 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg96, Your last paragraph,If the state did not pay people to have children by paying for their upkeep,and had to provide for them themselves, instead of running a family business by producing unwanted children in order to collect benefits, perhaps we would not have this feral society. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:18 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 98 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 97 for once I agree with you, the problem is how do you fix it? These kids have no say in being born and who they are born too and without benefits would go hungry and be even more neglected that they are already. However the problem still remains there are many young people who have grown up without guidance, who can't find work,and who see no future for themselves. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 99 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 98, Stop making excuses for these worksky scroungers, there is work out there if you want to do it,but if it does not pay more than benefits no one wants to work.I myself worked 40 years on the night shift yes 40, not the best way to bring up a family, but it was the best way to earn money. Lost count of how many peoplle left the job because it interfered with their social life, so the need not to work has always been. |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 100 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg96 "To many kids are born unwanted and are just an inconvenience" They may be an inconvenience,but unwanted, I don't think so,how else would the Mothers qualify for Benefits.. In this day and age ,with contraception freely available there is NO excuse for unwanted pregnancies.. Admittedly Religion gets in the way for some,but that is were moral judgement comes into play.Feral kids are a bi-product of our degraded benefit reliant system....orchestrated by a Nanny State............I don't blame the Kids,I blame your idea of a system.... |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:34 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 101 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 98 I don't think there is any need for such aggression, surely in your world people are allowed to have different views to you without being bullied! Without doubt there are people who don't want to work but that is certainly not the case for many people. I know a few people who are slightly older as in 50's who are hugely qualified and experienced and can't even get an interview for a job at £6 an hour. You are nieve if you think everyone who is unemployed doesn't want to work. These kids have had no upbringing, no positive role models and probably little education. Seriously who do you think is going to employ them? |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:54 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 102 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 101 I did not say anybody who is unemployed does not want to work, Isaid people will not take work ifbenefits pay more. |
martinD41

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 13:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 103 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg101 If I have offended you I apologise,but such issues are beyond "good grace"I was taught to be direct....Once again I apologise,and will leave you to discus the problems in the UK with like minded people |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 14:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 104 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg 102 you stated there was work out their if you want to do which insinuates does it not that if you aren't working you're a work shy scrounger? Also message 102 what do you suggest society does end benefits for those in need? The fact is there would be the biggest outcry from all quarters if this was even hinted at. Msg 103 It actually wasn't you who I was referring too it was Msg 99, I fully believe everyone is entitled to the own opinion and their opinion is as valid as the next person. It doesn't mean i have to agree with it but I certainly don't wish to silence it. The world would be a very dull place if we all thought alike. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 15:37 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 105 of 140 in Discussion |
| Who was it who said "I may not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it",this I think should apply on this forum. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 19:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 106 of 140 in Discussion |
| msg 105 sorry so what is your point? I said above everyone is entitled to their opinion and that everyones opinion is as valid as the next persons. Don't understand what you trying to say unless you are actually agreeing with me..... |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 14/08/2011 21:08 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 108 of 140 in Discussion |
| More what Ten??????? |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 15/08/2011 08:03 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 109 of 140 in Discussion |
| If you bothered to view the 'link', you'd see there were more pillaging yobs than in my 'link' of Msg 75! Next time there's yob rioting, why don't you approach them and say: 'Excuse me, young man/lady - may I have a word, please?' Just make sure you've got your 'Tazer' and pepper spray handy! |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 15/08/2011 18:45 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 110 of 140 in Discussion |
| The only method to instil respect for the Law is to disillusion them. Demonstrate to them in the only language they understand that there IS a higher authority and that they had better recognise this fact, or face the legal consequences, which should be arbitrary corporal punishment - i.e., a sound thrashing on the bare buttocks with a wetted Rattan cane! This is the ONLY way to humble them into showing due respect for the Law and society at large. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 18/08/2011 12:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 111 of 140 in Discussion |
| What happened to the stiff sentencing, now the liberal dogooders are saying the sentences are too harsh. Try telling that to the people who have lost everything. |
deputydawg

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Message Posted: 19/08/2011 00:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 112 of 140 in Discussion |
| It has been clear for many years that governments have taken their eye off their first duty, defence of the realm. It has also been acknowledged for years that there are far more dangerous anarchist threats lurking within UK than that which last week tested to breaking point internal security measures. The regular services do not deserve to be further neutered by taking on the responsibility of training conscripts nor do those youngsters who live decent and crime free lives deserve arbitary conscription. Civilian prisons should not be academies for crime. Why not review the forthcoming defence cuts and consider a pilot scheme whereby civilian prisons are progressively governed and staffed by the Military Provost Corps with military imprisonment and detention rules and subject to Red Cross legislation. Rather than redundancies for trained servicemen the numbers of MPC could be bolstered by internal recruitment of fully trained servicemen. continued |
deputydawg

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Message Posted: 19/08/2011 00:57 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 113 of 140 in Discussion |
| These MPC could also be used to support the police in times of emergency. The numbers of civilian prison officers could be progressively lowered largely by natural wastage. The aim of the government should be to ensure that prison is a place to be avoided and certainly not a place to ever return to. There would be a need for zero tolerance of drugs in prisons and a life sentence for possession of or supply of drugs. Judges with a history of giving lenient sentences should be removed as should prison doctors who prescribe drugs and bleeding heart visiting boards. Cold Turkey should be the menu. Remission only for prisoners who respond properly and dump such failed gimmicks as parole, early release, electronic tags etc. The Prime Minister said that the Human Rights Act was a disaster so why not have the balls to dump it ? Forget paying US super cops as consultants and use your own military who will show you how it should be done. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 19/08/2011 10:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 114 of 140 in Discussion |
| Never mind paying some Yank to give advice - the UK government should have immediately flown in a coupla three dozen Brisbane cops - they'd have broken a few yob heads and soon restored order! |
Expat59

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Message Posted: 19/08/2011 11:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 115 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 5 loulou If we shoot the looters we will have to start with all of the MP's that looted the public purse with fraudulent expense claims, and then the bankers !!!! anyone else agree??? |
bertieboss

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Message Posted: 20/08/2011 04:05 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 116 of 140 in Discussion |
| Tenakoutou and paddywack - you should get together and write a book or organise courses! I'm overawed by the brilliance of your thinking and how you address the core issues of the problem. Perhaps you could also set up a helpline so that we could contact you when we have a problem. Paddywack could ask some of the paramilitaries to make themselves available for consultation. I think they have contributed much to the peace process and should be applauded for their efforts to promote harmony over the past 40 or so years. Dare I suggest "knee capping" as a punishment? That would teach them a lesson!!! |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 20/08/2011 07:28 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 117 of 140 in Discussion |
| bertieboss/Msg 116: 'Dare I suggest "knee capping" as a punishment?' Not a very sound idea - why would you want to incapacitate the poor, only over exuberant yob and further increase the expenditure of the already overburdened NHS and UK social services? You really need to re-watch the video in message 1 and reassess your reality perspective! |
Rottolover


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Message Posted: 20/08/2011 09:53 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 118 of 140 in Discussion |
| bertieboss, at least those two gentlemen are thinking. You may not approve of their suggestions, but your sarcasm does little to address the problem. What would you suggest? |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 20/08/2011 10:58 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 119 of 140 in Discussion |
| We have endless violence in the world today yet the world is still in a terrible mess so it shows it doesn't work. The death penalty in US doesn't work and if the fear of having done to you what occurred in the video worked you wouldn't have been able to watch it. Surely it's a deterrent we want not just to punish those who offend. I certainly don't claim to have the answers, if there was an easy fix then don't you think that governments across the world would use it? Things are not as simple as some of seem to think it is and in honesty the very idea that your suggestions to beat someone will fix the woes is frankly ridiculous. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 12:07 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 120 of 140 in Discussion |
| mistymoppet/119: '...the very idea that your suggestions to beat someone will fix the woes is frankly ridiculous.' Those that are on the receiving end of a sound thrashing have never thought that their painful punishment is 'ridiculous'! The only concession they should be afforded during corporal punishment is that they should wear a 'gum-shield' - like boxers and sundry other sportsmen use. This is in order to prevent their teeth disintegrating when they grit their teeth against the pain of the cane. After all, surely the British taxpayer doesn't want, or need, to be burdened with further NHS dental expenses for these louts! |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 13:14 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 121 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 116 In your liberal mind ,what do you suggest? tried and tested methods work. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 13:25 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 122 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 120 As I have said previously thankfully no matter how much you may want it, it isn't going to happen so what's the point in harping on and on about it on a forum with a few people are reading it? NO civilized country would allow such punishment, If you feel so strongly about such things why don't you get involved with trying to change things? |
Ballyboffin

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 13:32 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 123 of 140 in Discussion |
| I'd love to hear his suggestions as well paddy. Read his past posts and make your own mind up to where he is coming from. He seems rather obsessed by his dislike of the Irish and yet calls others racist. |
dynamicduo

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 13:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 124 of 140 in Discussion |
| Theres not much happening at TYBURN these days lets bring back live entertainment. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 13:41 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 125 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 123 Many people dislike our countrymen,but I think we have learned to live with that,As I have said before, sadly, violence is all these people understand, and no amount of liberal thingking will change them. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 13:49 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 126 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 125 I lived in Ireland for 5 years and witnessed first hand the racism shown towards the English so please don't play the pity card like you guys are all innocent. It's in schools,on TV and all around, until that is they come face to face with an English person then they are sweetness and light. |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 14:10 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 127 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg126 Fail to see how the Irish way of life has anything to do with the violent yob culture in the U.k that you liberal minds seem to condone. |
Quarmby

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 17:10 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 128 of 140 in Discussion |
| I recall at the last general election, the wonderful Liberal Democrat party were advocating that CCTV cameras in our cities should be cut back drastically because they infringe our civil liberties. I wonder if they now feel the same? |
paddywack

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 18:20 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 129 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 128 Probably the same that is the way liberal wooly heads think. |
mistymoppet

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Message Posted: 21/08/2011 23:19 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 130 of 140 in Discussion |
| Msg 125 I agree however you where the one who brought it up I only responded with my own experience. If you can't take the heat...... And for the record there is plenty of Irish Yob culture too. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 22/08/2011 07:50 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 131 of 140 in Discussion |
| Let's dispense with all this 'tit-for-tat' and stick to the subject matter. Sunday's BBC News showed gangs of yobs rampaging all over the place. One gang deliberately ran over a police officer - fortunately he wasn't killed, or injured too seriously, because they ran right over him. How can anyone, even the Pope, defend the actions of these criminals with any sort of an excuse? Hunt them down, haul them in, and fasten them to a trestle and give them an army-style thrashing! Nothing else will work - just realise it, will you, once and for all! |
Tenakoutou


Joined: 27/07/2009 Posts: 4110
Message Posted: 25/08/2011 09:11 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 133 of 140 in Discussion |
| This recent case of a girl being raped by two yobs in TRNC, and the 'event' being filmed on mobile phone, doesn't justify the police beating them to get confessional details - however, it DOES justify the court ordering them to be both soundly caned - an 'event' THEY will never forget. They need to thank their 'lucky stars' that they didn't commit such a crime in Singapore, or they wouldn't be able to sit down for the next six months! |
Rottolover


Joined: 21/06/2009 Posts: 519
Message Posted: 25/08/2011 09:35 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 134 of 140 in Discussion |
| What they're describing is simply an old school cane, to which, unfortunately, I had the dubious pleasure of becoming acquainted on more than one occasion during my school days... I am therefore able to testify, albeit anecdotally, that it certainly was a deterrent when contemplating further transgressions. But as punishment for rape? I'd tend toward considering something a little more 'striking'. |
Tenakoutou


Joined: 27/07/2009 Posts: 4110
Message Posted: 25/08/2011 09:43 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 135 of 140 in Discussion |
| Oh, 'Rottolover' - we are so WRONG! What these poor, misunderstood individuals need is merely professional counselling in order to see the error of their ways! |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 27/08/2011 18:15 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 136 of 140 in Discussion |
| If anyone was watching Ch 141 [BBC News] DigiTurk this a.m., they would have seen the result of the Manchester rioting. Having got away with this 'mob pillaging and violence' once, it's surely only a matter of time until the same scenario erupts again - perhaps with even more serious results. Unless judicial caning is brought into effect as a deterrent, the situation can only worsen! |
paddywack

Joined: 04/05/2009 Posts: 959
Message Posted: 27/08/2011 18:22 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 137 of 140 in Discussion |
| You may as well give up John,there are not many of us hard line thinkers about, the country is run by cotton wool liberals and do good social workers. |
Tenakoutou


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Message Posted: 27/08/2011 19:36 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 138 of 140 in Discussion |
| paddywack/Msg 137: 'the country is run by cotton wool liberals and do good social workers.' All obsequious, gutless sops, who have abysmally failed in their misguided and pathetic efforts to restore law and order! |
paddywack

Joined: 04/05/2009 Posts: 959
Message Posted: 27/08/2011 20:48 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 139 of 140 in Discussion |
| Totally agree John,but without a government and police force that do not have an agenda to suck up to these people anarchy will prevail . Comes the future , much hand wringing and why did we not listen to the hard liners. |
Tenakoutou


Joined: 27/07/2009 Posts: 4110
Message Posted: 01/09/2011 10:38 | Join or Login to Reply | Message 140 of 140 in Discussion |
| Maybe too many of the 'hand-wringers' are secret 'Dominatrix' video voyeurs!? |
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