The destruction of beautiful Girne Harbour

smwredd


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 20:17

We decided to take a stroll along Girne Harbourside last evening. What a shock, this beautiful and historic harbour has been turned into the home of loud thumping music, giant football screens and being stopped every few steps by 'touters' for restaurants. So sad that it should have come to this. Surely those who feel the need to watch football whilst on holiday can do it elsewhere (if it is so important to them) and how about some traditional music for a change in keeping with the setting.

Panchocat


Joined: 29/11/2009
Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 20:57

Still lovely and relaxing at Chimera, at the quiet end of the harbour, by the castle.

Agree about the screens and music and the grab a toy machines.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 21:02

next time bother to find out how many are owned and run by CYPRIOTS.



best time to eat is around eleven.

Leave around midnight,no boss about,credit card machine not working (apearently)............free meal for all

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 21:07

the grab a toy machines are my sons favorite distraction



great when you want to enjoy an ice cold effes at the limani bar in peace





the only complaint is that my son was winning so much the owner of the pizza harbour bar greased the metal grabers so the kids couldnt win, he used white fat or lard...............shame on him !



if you want to cheat use a clear solution the kids cant see you plonker !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jamboree


Joined: 25/06/2011
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 21:38

girne harbour has become a bit of a dive, i hate all the mess from sunflower seeds all over the floors. large groups of men who all look as if they are in love with them selves also seed eaters. ever changing times of n cyprus.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 21:46

msg 5;



they are turks.............do they also walk arm in arm?

jamboree


Joined: 25/06/2011
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 21:58

yes mate they do walk arm in arm. i am a tc when i came here in the 1990s with friends from the uk i was wondering what was going on? i thought all of the harbour folk had all become gay untill i realised it was the seed eating clan...

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 22:21

"next time bother to find out how many are owned and run by CYPRIOTS. "



Come on then tell us....

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 22:26

NONE.......................we call them 'gaco',you call them 'turks' and greek speaking brothers call them 'fija'.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 23:08

I have to agree, we used to love walking around this beautiful harbour - it must be the prettiest on the Mediterranean - but for the past few years don't bother going there because of the pestering...

It really is a shame.....

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
12/08/2011 23:48

I like being pestered

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 00:03

Why not share your thoughts with the tourism ministry or the belediye office. I did the other year cos I got fed upwith the touters, and so did a lot of other people, and the touting stopped. Obviously if no one complains nothing will change. tell the Tourism authorities thatyou come here to enjoy thhe timeless beauty and ethnicity of the place etc, etc.

it could work. having a moan on this board gets a lot of sympathy but doesn't change anything.

if enugh of you feel strongly, why don't I write something to share but i need your tthoughts and names to do it.

You COULD get things changed.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 00:28

Nice one Marion - where do we voice our complaints?

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 00:47

Blackbird; Try the Belediye (Municipality - where you pay the water bill). I, for one, will do so on Monday. Lets have all those who can, go in and make a complaint on Monday! The only problem is, the municipality will only take notice if you live in their area...

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 01:04

It is worth a try bigOz. People can say how they love to come tothee Harbour and bring their friends and encourage tourists and spend money and go home and talk about it...... lay it on. After all it is true. The fact that you don't live in the area should not matter, what DOES matter is that you CARE aboout the area.



please let me know how you get on. do I feel an article coming on? should offer to come with you, but tied up on Monday (metaphorically), but a photo of a smiling Government worker saying 'we will sort it out' would be a good one. anyone going to take one.

So, Blackbird are you here or 'in the valleys' (well, Llangollen - and I can say it without losing any teeth - a friend of mine when trying to say 'Llan' in true Welsh style had her teeth fly out of her mouth. dyna neis!

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 01:32

I shall try my best to talk to the Mayor Marion - I gave up talking to clerks long time ago - I will keep you posted.

I stayed in Llangollen on 2-3 occasions, on my trips to Wales, when I was still a student - what a pleasant little place it was. I think on at least one occasion there was some kind of a folk dance show or competition but cannot remember when now (I think it was late 1970's or early 1980's). I loved Wales and the ever friendly Welsh people!

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 02:07

Such a shame, Yorg I know of a few Cypriot owners , Its a really beautiful place and beleive me if you go to harbours anywhere you do get enticed in. Italy, Greece, Spain, Malta, even USA.BigOz, LLangollen is beautiful and it does hold one of the biggest festivals, in fact the one Pavarotti was discovered, its called the Eisteddfod. People come from all over the world to take part and you are so right the welsh are so very friendly.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 05:38

Lilli,the very few Cypriot 'owners' that you know in actual fact do not own them anymore........other then on the papers.

smwredd


Joined: 07/10/2009
Posts: 260

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 08:25

Marion, as you know we tried to stop the Belediye dumping rubbish at what used to be another beauty spot at the Malatya Waterfall. Stopped for a while after intervention but now started again, so I do feel that they say what they feel you want to hear and then do nothing. I will write to the Ministry of Tourism but I suspect nothing will change.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 08:36

mess 19 - illegal dumping in the kfc ?



surely not ?



The Cypriots love their country too much to tolerate such a thing.......

maggymay


Joined: 04/05/2008
Posts: 701

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 10:00

My family and I took our three dogs for a walk ON LEADS down around the harbour a few weeks ago and as we walked through the town we were charged several time with dogs off lead maybe they were street dogs maybe they were with irresponsible owners who dont care I dont know but there was one big dog who was very aggressive who charged at me and went for my dog I quickly pulled her away and it just managed to nip her someone called it back and it ran off down the road, never again. Im sick of not being able to take my dogs out without coming face to face with off lead dogs many are with their owners but dont give a toss, as for the touts at the harbour it annoys me you cant go for a nice walk and look at the boats without being set on if we want a drink if we want to eat and the rubbish that comes out their mouths to get you in their restaurant is really pathetic I dont go down there now unless its absolutely necessary.

gansa66


Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 241

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 10:19

more than half of the Harbour restaurants own by pizza Harbour and he is Cypriot the problem is if you pay peanuts you will get monkeys and if you tell monkeys you don,t get customers you don,t get paid all Harbour turns in to a zoo .....

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 10:38

Yorg

I normally agree with most of the things you write but I will have to disagree with you on the this, all but 2 are run and owned by Cypriots. They may have turkish waiters but the only 2 that are run and owned by Turkish are the 6 brother restaurants. One on the far end of the Harbour and one up the little tree lined road.

I also have an office in the harbour and that is run by myself and husband so it is also Cypriot run.

Do have to agree though the seed eating brigade drive us all crazy, those things are impossible to sweep up.

Angela

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 15:04

Ha, I guessed Yorg was using his usual misinformed bluster (what he calls facts) to try and pull a fast one. So all but two are Cypriot owned and run... so it's not the fault of those nasty Turks...

Really some of the anti-Turkish sentiment expressed on this board is scandalous in it's lack of verisimilitude.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 16:49

I agree with many of the sentiments. But equally I wouldn't want it to become some kind of over renovated, soulless place. I have always felt safe walking around the harbour. Look at the south where there has been reports of gang violence in Potaras.

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 17:01

Msg 24;......Really some of the anti-Turkish sentiment expressed on this board is scandalous in it's lack of verisimilitude.



whether or not it is true, or just appears to be true, I'm sure we can rely on Yorg for a comeback.

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 17:43

Re : Title of thread - "The destruction of beautiful Girne Harbour"

Maybe a few annoyances, but hardly "destruction".



Re : Messages 5 and 6, concerning the behaviour of the Turkish men

I certainly have no objection to seeing men walking arm in arm: Having lived in Istanbul for many years, I also occasionally touch the elbow of a close male Turkish friend if I feel it's appropriate. In Britain and clearly here, too many men are too insecure in their sexuality and thus feel such behaviour is only associated with homosexuals.

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 20:18

FYI, I was sitting along the harbor wall, the bit that goes out past the lighthouse, having a beer, a plain clothes cop (poser) came up to me flashed his ID and said it is illegal to drink beer anywhere around here, I pointed out that everyone on the wall had beers (50+)and where is the signpost.

He wasn't aggressive but repeated again, and walked off. so there you have it. :"t is yasak to drink alkohol" anywhere near the harbour.

Good concept, enforce it then, also get those seed munchers too. there is a sign that says no seed with skins allowed, what amazes me is that, when these mainlanders walk off, they either throw their bottles on to the rocks or in the ocean, there are bins within 5 feet of them, I pointed this out to the plain clothes butch dude, his reply "belediye 's problem",

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 22:14

Oh boy, I just lov e some of the sense of humour some of you have! I guess it is the way that one sees life! As to Malatya and rubbish - yes, I see the lorries go by daily filling in the ravine by the once beautiful waterfall, while the other end of the village iss a 'no dumping rubbish' sign. so it is a bit of a schizodi village.(and of course the lorry drivers are just doing their job and they want their pay to put food in their bellies. And I know that all too often complaints fall on deaf ears, but just sometimes someone listens and surley it is worth chipping away at the block(mayor, council, Tourism etc) as just sometimes it has an impact. don't give up folks. It is the old 'evil prevails while good men stand by and do nothing. So do have a go, and let me know. Let's make a story and I will give it also to Kenan Atakol who is very involved in environmental issues. It might do nothing - but it could do SOMETHING.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
13/08/2011 23:01

groucho

Fell free to come with me to see how many shops are run by Cypriots on the horbour.That of course does not include trnc citizens...........I guess you wouldnt understand the meaning of that either.



I do wish I could pull the fast one and knock them into the see at once...........those nasty turks.....

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 10:58

Yorg,



I don't need to as I know all but two are run and owned by Cypriots. Which part of this don't you understand?

Have you made it your business to find out? Or have you swallowed the urban myth?

cyprusLulz


Joined: 01/08/2011
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 11:05

I was speaking with some French tourists on their first visit here they have been to the south and would return there here they said is like a garbage dump with litter & broken bottles every where.



Sworn at and abused by restaurant touts (2 of them speak fluent Turkish but spoke English )when walking by the harbour the WILL NOT RETURN to the north but will visit the south again ! as it is so clean with nice beaches.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 13:37

groucho



I own a house in girne but I dont live in it,in fact someone else lives in it.

Some of the restaurant/shop owners in harbour I know..............none are CYPRIOT.







I owned 3 shops in uk at onepoint,only one right out,other 2 lease.



I wouldn't expect you to understand that either.



However,if you like turks so much,how come you don't live in turkey?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 13:42

I don't have to like Turks so much not to want to be a racist...

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 13:49

I'm not racist either............thats of course providing one trying to stop ones homeland from being overtaken is not classed as racist.



Racism is when you don't want any of them at all..............................in my case I have friends to prove.





buriyin buriyin............................sopposed to be 'buyurun'.............



I'm guessing you wouldn't know the difference in that either!

tarum1


Joined: 02/09/2009
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:24

, what is your problem with the Turks because it seems like you lot all suffer with it.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:32

Well it's not the flood of Turkish money that's for sure...

tarum1


Joined: 02/09/2009
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 14:32

Yorgos.If I was you I would take a good look at the Greek so called soldiers in Athens.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
14/08/2011 18:34

groucho and yogzulu at loggerheads - maybe they'll both self distruct and give us all some peace............



How many kebab shops did you own again yogz ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 15:17

there is nosuch thing as 'I have a problem with turks'.............in turkey..............then again you wouldn't know what that is,you just like to sit in front of your pc pretending you know and understand all.



As for money coming ove............consider it as part rent for accupying my country.............but you wouldn't know or understand what that is either..............perhaps get something to keep yourselves accupied with and leave Cyprus to Cypriots to sort out.........you've got your cheap properties.............what else do you want?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 15:19

tkae a little look at mr richardheads posts................even after leaving (or so he says) still can't do without Cyprus.............love is in the air.........I guess.................all the way even in Timbuktu



what a load of tosh.................

IbrahimAbi


Joined: 24/10/2010
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 15:44

One man's occupier is another man's protector, and, of course' protecting'one's homeland from being overtaken' was exactly what the Turks did in 1974. Up to now the TRNC does not have many other protectors

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 15:47

.............protectors....................



Is that the joke of the day?

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 16:11

Where is andre_514 when you 'need' him ?



Go for it Yorg...

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 02:38

Hum. I went for a walk down the harbour tonight and I didn't get herrassed by the waiters. I haven't visited cyprus in 5 years...1 thing I did notice was that it definetly has a much more international feel to it than before, saw some Italian tourists and french.



I grew up in Brazil and believe me compared to Brazil it is a very very safe environment. I know people in the south who feel afraid to walk alone at night in places like Protaras (check spelling).

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 02:41

Hum, I also got the impression that there's a lot more Turkish influence in Cyprus than before. I mean the ice cream guy dressed in traditional turkish clothing, the simitci tea bar (tea drinking is a thing of Turkey not Cyprus...also simit).

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 03:10

I wonder what the ratio is

T/Cs to mainland ?

Happy Hussar


Joined: 01/10/2008
Posts: 318

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 08:33

Just a question, Why do they eat seeds?

Tony

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 11:17

Re : msg 46 - "Tea drinking is a thing of Turkey, not Cyprus"

I wish it was more a thing of Cyprus - After having spent many years on the mainland, drinking (demli) tea in the traditional narrow (ince belli) glasses is something I really miss - Unfortunately my in-laws only ever drink Turkish Coffee. However, just recently we've befreinded a mainland family living two or three doors down the road from us ... and they always seem to have freshly brewed çay

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 11:38

Well Crumpy, it certainly has a lot more health benefits than coffee.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 11:42

Msg.48, if you Google sunflower seeds and then move on the dozens of other seeds, you'll see that the health giving properties in them is phenomenal.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 13:03

yorg has a real short fuse dont rise take a chill pill

dinner-dave


Joined: 14/08/2011
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 13:28

message 41 and 43.



why are most of your post so rude ?



you got a problem ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 14:46

msg 53;

Yes I have a problem with people speaking without any knowledge of the subject.



anything else you need to know?

StGeorgeI


Joined: 27/08/2009
Posts: 973

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 16:52

We had friends over for the first time the other week and when we went to the harbour one evening they absolutely loved it! The screens can be a little distracting, but apart from that it was lovely.



We have been here for over 10 years and, although it has changes a lot, we still love going down there as well.



We didn't get hassled at all - the waiters would approach us and we would just say 'no thanks' and turn away and that was the end of that. If you're in a good mood you can have a little chat with them as well - they are normally up for a good laugh and a bit of banter. Some people need to chill out a bit in my opinion!



G

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 17:18

msg40 yorg,................."Part rent for occupying my country"





You should consider yourself lucky,when England was overrun by foreign super powers of the day ,we had to pay higher taxes for the privilege.....And adopt a different language "Twice".........

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 17:25

Oh! and the second lot from Normandy never went home.................

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 17:53

long before my time martinD41................alot of water went under the bridge since...........how about today?Is your motherland being accupied by another foreign country?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 18:05

All I know is that when tourists from 'Ship Inn' walk to the bottom of our road, hoping it leads to a handy beach [which it does] and are then confronted by a Turkish soldier, carrying a gun, and get waved back [politely, but curtly], they trudge back up the road declaring they'll never set foot in TRNC again!



Imagine how their word is spread when they get home to their various countries - hardly good PR for TRNC!



Go on - say they should have known the situation in TRNC.



Unfortunately, most tourists don't!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 18:17

msg58 "Is your motherland being occupied by a foreign country"?



Not since the Nazis left in 1945,but ask some locals,and they will tell you the "foreigners" still invade ...

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 18:33

sorry that should have said the Multimillionaire foreigners still invade.. .pushing up prices beyond the reach of the average Guern..

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 18:42

Possibly locals take the harbour for granted, it is a very special place, perfectly formed and a jewel in the med as far as I can see, I would love to be sitting there right now with friends supping a glass of wine/coffee and watching the hustle and bustle of life......cant wait to return........x

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 18:49

Girne harbour is the 'jewel in the crown' for the TRNC tourist industry and the number one picture when advertising, yet the reality doesn't match the hype. It may look great but it's all about the experience when visiting.



The comments about being pestered by touts whether for boat trips or restaurants or the grubby state of the surroundings hardly do justice to the TRNC.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:02

Yorg, it's symptomatic of your posting style to accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of not knowing what they are talking about. You have been told that all but two business in the harbour are Cypriot owned and run by someone who is very definitely in the know... Your response is simply to get ruder and ruder. It's not the sign of somebody winning an argument.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:04

"It's not the sign of somebody winning an argument."

Yorgozlu, winning an argument? LOL

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:07

any tourist place you go to you will get pestered by touts, on any greek island and I am sure in turkey too, but they are good natured with it soI dont take offence, just enjoy the banter........I still stand that Girne harbour is beautiful and you have to go a long long way to beat it...... I never tire of the experience and although a bit more pricey than other places it is worth the extra to eat there and savour the atmosphere...........x

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:08

Personally I detest being pestered by touts and avoid such places which includes Girne harbour.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:18

Msg 58, YES, We do not run our own country and neither are the 'brits' the only ones living in it, we are run by the European Union and we have more immigrants than you can shake a stick at.!!!

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 19:30

Having said that I love the Harbour and its restaurants and being pestered, one waiter told me he was my turkish delight which made me roar with laughter, lovely people, lovely food etc and I don't care if they are all Turk mainlanders because at least they know how to serve you and they are not sulky, rude and downright objectionable.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:11

Message 59, Tenakoutou, well I find that strange because if they are tourists from the usual run of the mill, i.e. from a Tour company then they would have a Tour rep who should be telling them where to go and not to go. If they are acquaintances of the owner or heard of the Ship Inn from London, I'm sure the owner or his staff would/should have forewarned them.



Why tourists should say that they would never set foot in TRNC just because they have seen a soldier....then yes they should have done their homework before they went.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 20:48

Groucho;

Not 'trying' to win an argument at all..............hence the reason I offered to go there and show you.You also seem to take no notice of other posters............simit dunyasi,nargile bar,the little market,the other place.........do you want more?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:24

So you've mentioned 3... and one of those is not in the Harbour. Funnily enough also not the ones who tout for business either.. thus further demonstrating that you've missed the point.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:40

'I've mentioned 3...and one of those is not in the harbour'.............would you care to,point out which one?



Or even..............do you know where the harbour is?



'I've missed the point'...........don't go telling that to too many.

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 23:23

Re: Msg 71 - "Simit Dunyasi, nargile bar, ... "



Regardless of whether they are run by Cypriots or not, what is there about these establishments that one can seriously object to? Besides as Groucho pointed out, Simit Dunyasi is not really in the old harbour, is it Yorgozlu ?



Personally, I love to eat simit and cheese with a glass or two of tea. Maybe you should try it Yorgozlu. It might help you to realise that the Turks could enrich your "motherland's" cuisine and culture

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 06:42

It seems that yorgozlu does not know where the old harbour is... as you confirm Crumpy, Simit Dunyası is not in the old harbour and in any case they can hardly be accused of persistent touting for business, so it would appear they are setting a good example to those establishments that do pester passers-by.

They don't trail after passers-by emploring them to enter their establishment.

Which is what this thread is about...

yorgozlu, you raised the spectre that this was as a result of them being Turks and therefore not knowing how to behave like Cypriots. It has now been blown out of the water but you are having none of it preferring, as you do, to continue peddling your animosity to Turks based on a falsehood, namely that Cypriots do not hold truck with such behaviour.

Still think you are winning this argument?

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 11:44

Nargile Bar is run by Salih who is a Cypriot and is also the owner of Harbour club, Harbour Cafe, Harbour Souvenir and Harbour boat trips. And Simit is Not in the Old harbour, the Harbour Stops at the play ground. A harbour is where boats Moore, not just a sea front.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 12:26

so,you appear right at the 'harbour when you want to be there?

Nargile is run by a 'turk' friend of mine,Bersan,however if you want to be that specific,you can just say the whole place 's been taken over by 'turks' and be done with it.



you can carry on calling me racist all you like..........and dislike my behaviour all you like,thats just your opinion and your problem,I know what I know and from the sound of it you prefer to take others comments as gospel,purely because 'you' don't like my comments and thoughts.



in english you say who gives a s**t..................try learning some local language first,so you can mingle in and learn for yourself,instead of being typical arrogant brit.and have the cheek to refer to me as arrogant.



gadalava?

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 13:25

Bersan, is now at the Rockanne's and has not run Nargilem since last year, I know him as well and my office is next to Nargilem.

I have never called you racist, But as I have had an office in the Harbour for Nine years now, and have lived in Cyprus for 15 years married to a Turkiish Cypriot ( not a Turk with a Kimlik card) I think I do have some knowledge of what is going on down here.

A lot has changed in the harbour, I don't agree with all of it, but the harbour is not just for Tourists, the weekends are buzzing down here with Locals, Turks and tourists I think it has something for everyone, you have the bar scene at one end and the quiet end the castle side. have to say I perfer the quiet end.

The waiters are lot more polite this year then past years and will leave you alone with a simple no thank you.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 13:30

Oh dear, game, set and match and time for yorg who accuses others of racism when in fact it is he who is one of the biggest racists on this forum to admit defeat, will he, don't be silly, he is so full of himself and of course has backing to say what he likes with impunity. Waiting for another ban now.

cyprusLulz


Joined: 01/08/2011
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 13:30

So how much are sunflower seed ?

bobat5


Joined: 23/03/2011
Posts: 40

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 17:57

phew ....................................

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:06

kiwikid;

Apologies as my response was to msg 75.

I was not refering to you or your knowledge regarding the harbour,nor I was refering to the 'waiters' but mainly pointing out that in general the place has been taken over by turks,and I'm not one single bit happy about it.

If that makes me racist,so be it.

I have good few turkish friends and they all know how I feel about the situation.What gets up my nose is ones with no knowledge of Cyprus sitting in front of pc and telling me about MY country...........and then,most probaply getting up and jumping into his cheaply bought pool.



As for Bersan,I've not seen him since he's left the club but was told he was running both.

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:26

Thank you Yorgozlu, as I said I agree with most of the things you have said in the past,

Angela

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 00:43

"What gets up my nose is ones with no knowledge of Cyprus sitting in front of pc and telling me about MY country...........and then, most probaply getting up and jumping into his cheaply bought pool. "

Yorg, you don't know me, you don't know what I do, or whether I speak Turkish but you now try to deflect the argument away from the thread topic to score cheap points a la NN.

That's not the way to win an argument... you have been shown to be wrong and you apologise to Angela. I had told you that and as Angela had pointed out you were wrong and you get personal with me.

Before you start turning a thread into a tirade of a racist nature it would be best if you got your facts right. If you don't like the behaviour of the waiters in the harbour, that's for you to take up with them and their bosses but to make a racial slur out of it on here is low. It's one thing to wear your heart on your sleeve and entirely another to carry on the way you are going.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 14:18

Yeah,you are right,I don't know you,nor you know me though!

so please let us know who you are........and your relation to Cyprob-Cyprus,Cyprus-Turkey(turks) are??? ........and since when you've been visiting the old Kyrenia harbour?.............without accusing me of being racist or talking 'without' facts!



Yes,it is up to 'me' to take up with them and I do,and if they don't like it,the way out is the same way they came IN........with or without their SEEDS................this bit would be edited by simbas if I wrote what's in my mind.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 15:41

One minute you are talking about the owners - next about those making use of the harbour for recreation, make your mind up who it is you have problem with!

I'm not accusing you of buying cheap and jumping in your pool... that's you. I don't need to know you but to make personal remarks about other members I suggest that you ought least to have some knowledge as to do otherwise is prejudice. I wouldn't take your lead from NN as he doesn't really know me from Adam.

We have lived here for 6 years and have studied the language for six years. We don't spend all our time at the harbour but we have run the gauntlet on occasion. Having done so, I didn't come to a conclusion based on ethnicity that the problem is restricted to Turkish mainlanders - somehow you did and voiced your opinion.

Having been proved wrong you then get nasty, your problem. You don't let anybody air an opinion about your country, you already have all the answers and won't listen to reason.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 00:01

yeap,you've finaly got it.

" You don't let anybody air an opinion about your country, you already have all the answers and won't listen to reason. "



...when you were on your way 'there',I was on the xxxxx(lost count) round.



feel free to stand by them next time I'm walking by and abuse them,but just like them you wouldn't get the hint either..........just like..........essegin yuzune tukurmusler da yaresul allah yamur mu yagar demis!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 07:19

I'm not sure where you think this pathetic riposte leaves your argument but I'd hazard a guess that most members would think it proof positive that you are a lost cause. With s.f.b.

I don't abuse them I simply tell them that we are full. They desist and we proceed without further fuss. It's no problem and is all done with an air of light banter and a smile. They do get the hint.

You don't get the hint that your headlong dive into the abyss of racial hatred is not acceptable.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 11:23

it is not for you to decide on weather I can or cannot comment/behave the way I do,simply because you are NOT Cypriot but just a visitor............same as those 'turks'..........only difference being........you(not as individual) do not come here under those terms and work illegaly(well,most of you anyway).



As for me being a lost case.......................try another one

'abyss of racial hatred'..........................call it whatever you may..............makes no difference all the while you don't have a clue of actual meaning..........try to get someone to translate the actual meaning of my last sentence re87.

Busy Bees Bogaz


Joined: 18/02/2008
Posts: 283

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 12:30

Bogaz harbour is nice )



No TV's, no loud music, no waiters harrassing you. In fact you have to try really hard to get served some days LOL.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 23:14

Yorg,

I have to congratulate you on a thoroughly well reasoned factually based argument. That not being Cypriot means nobody is allowed to express an opinion. A victory for common sense and decency.

You are without doubt a shining example to be set to your countrymen and should be held up as a beacon of light in this dark world.

Or you could just boil your bum....

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 00:16

I wonder if Yogo had the same thoughts when living in the UK, all without British passports should be banished back to where they came ?? Bet he just got on with things grateful or maybe NOT..It seems to me that once he gets the Turks back home it will be his thinking that we should all follow...Poor man maybe exceptace of what today has to offer might help. lol..







Spider,X

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 00:22

Groucho, Spider ... whatever we write, Yorgozlu will continue to make out that we are ignorant when it comes to talking about his country :-(

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 01:54

Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.

Charles de Gaulle

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 02:14

Spider;

Do some re-search regarding those "living in the UK, all without British passports".You'll find that most of those are also 'turks',claiming 'political asylum'.............then again you can always blame France for playing pass the buck,for that,or the so called basic human rights................whatever that means,

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 02:28

Crumpy;

I do not make out nothing.You just need to learn the difference in "visitor" and "citizen".Then again....english mainly do not even know the meaning of citizen.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 03:40

Message3 - sounds dishonest!!

Is this the sort of dishonest attitude you should be promoting when people are being duped out of their pensions and savings??

And there is an element of racism in your anti turk rhetoric.

Without Turkeys intervention in "74 you would probably not be around to spout the nonsense that you do.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 07:29

yorgozlu

You just need to learn the difference between acting like a twerp and sounding like an idiot.

Just to recap, you made an outrageous racial slur which has been demonstrated to be wrong.

Instead of admitting your mistake you then declare it matters not as you are the only Cypriot commenting worth listening to and as such, you declare yourself an unimpeachable source of correctness (always a bad sign this, bordering as it is on madness).

That's about as delusional as one can get.

Keep up the good work, your country can only get stronger from such an attitude.

Luckily the majority of your countrymen and women appear to be bit more discerning in their thought processes.

No doubt you come up with another pearl of wisdom?

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 08:52

When is this stupid thread going to be closed its nothing to do with the subject.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 13:51

groucho;

Feel free to let me know when you are available to prove it to you,at the scene.



No making up,no listening 'others words' as gospel.I could even bring one of the actual owners of the shops at the harbour with me.



talk is free,put your money where your mouth is and I'll prove it to you.............I'll get you a packet of seeds as well if you like,so you could look the part.

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 14:12

"I'll get you a packet of seeds as well if you like, so you could look the part" - Can I come along as well Yorgozlu and walk arm-in-arm with you

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 14:51

yorgozlu

"NONE.......................we call them 'gaco',you call them 'turks' and greek speaking brothers call them 'fija'."



So are you saying Angela is wrong and the majority are owned and run by mainland Turks?

Crumpy



Joined: 05/06/2010
Posts: 419

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 15:33

Actually Groucho, why don't you take him up on the offer? - that is of course, if you're not too busy.

If, in the unlikely event of Yorgozlu being correct, then it's certainly no shame for you ... and besides, you get a bag of seeds out of it

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 19:54

Crumpy, it sounds like such fun!

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 21:22

Meanwhile back in Girne harbour life goes on as before..

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
21/08/2011 17:51

message 34 and 42 totally agree - well done guys xx

Ozankoyman


Joined: 06/10/2010
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 11:20

Really don't understand Yorgozlu, is he not a Turk himself?

Then if not then why not pack up and move south of the island?

The north is Turkish,so Yorgozlu get over it!

kiwikid


Joined: 18/08/2008
Posts: 496

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 11:33

Oh Ozankoyman I do hope you are joking, or else you have just opened up a whole new can of Worms.

And if you aren't maybe a history lesson would be a good start.

InspironDream


Joined: 10/08/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 12:32

history lesson @ messg 107