what is happening to the motherland comments

chriswife


Joined: 30/03/2011
Posts: 449

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 09:02

there was a time when....

a clip round the ear was discipline not abuse

you got shouted in for tea not phoned

curfew was sunset

you made dens not war via the playstation

you respected the local bobby

British society has been in decline for a while now and the fruitions are clear to see.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 10:21

It's all down to one word -Respect.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 10:37

Perhaps the social worker/dogooder/liberaal thinking types can explain.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:05

Obviously, they are so cossetted in their 'safe' little world that they either haven't got a clue, or are in complete denial at what's really going on outside of it.



Otherwise, they'd admit they've failed with their 'softly, softly, policies', and whether they like it, or not, resign themselves to the fact that unless corporal punishment [caning] is re-introduced, the decline will only inevitably continue - as if it hasn't reached 'crisis proportions' already!

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:16

Msg 4, I was canned in school several times it didn't stop it happening again, I was never hit at home yet I never turned into a thug or bully destroying other peoples property.



Parents are responsible for their children and bringing them up to be decent members of the community, if they did this schools etc wouldn't need to put up with such rubbish behaviour from kids. Too many families have had both parents working full time and the kids farmed off to someone else and parents are too tired to bother or fight with them when they come home so the kids do what the like. Anything for an easy life, seems to be the way of things these days.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:18

msg2,,No Bill, it's down to total lack of discipline at home,in school, even in the work place............

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:23

Msg 5,

Who encouraged this situation, see message 3.

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:23

who is ''motherland''? Russia??

yrys88


Joined: 08/08/2009
Posts: 1140

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 11:26

read this article for a different perspective:



http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/08/201189105816840954.html

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 12:53

"Respect" is another word which has been hijacked by the feckless. How do those peddling drugs, promoting "bling", bedecked in gold jewelry, cruising around in blacked out, cromed limos, command respect from the young generation ? Providing accommodation in offices such as Courts of Justice and Employment exchanges where drug addicts can, with impunity, have a "hit" or they might "kick off" to me is total surrender of any sense of decency or a will to return the UK to what is was before it became the dustbin of the world.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 14:15

Currently, these yobs realise they hold the upper hand as regards 'power' - it's called 'anarchy'.



The only method to instil respect for the Law is to disillusion them. Demonstrate to them in the only language they understand that there IS a higher authority and that they had better recognise this fact, or face the legal consequences, which should be arbitrary corporal punishment - i.e., a sound thrashing on the bare buttocks with a wetted Rattan cane! This is the ONLY way to humble them into showing due respect for the Law and society at large.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 14:25

Msg 11,

Totally agree with your sentiments regarding corparal punishment, sorry but no chance if you take some of the postings on this forum from the milksop do good liberals, if the country thinks like them as a whole we will never get off square one

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 14:32

.... Discipline,exactly!! Imagine what would happen if "Private Smith" was given an order by his Regimental SM, and retorted with verbal abuse..I don't think he would be sent for"tourette's" counselling...........

chriswife


Joined: 30/03/2011
Posts: 449

Message Posted:
16/08/2011

wow i thought this may be heated...........what did i start

national conscription or yob conscription????

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 00:56

problem is that at home parents are not allowed to chastise their children, teachers again are not allowed to discipline the children, when they go off the rails even the courts do not discipline them, they have had their own way for so long, no one has actually said "No" and meant no.............

basil


Joined: 10/04/2009
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 02:04

So it is wrong to take a plasma TV from a busted up branch of Currys, but right to falsely claim the same telly against expenses?



Greedy bankers get their bonuses despite being bailed out by the state after they drove their banks to the edge of the abyss.



Traders still sell derivatives, futures and whatevers; still dine out at Michelin starred restaurants and still run the gauntlet as they drive their shiny new Porsches home when way over the drink drive limit.



Members of Parliament still brazenly abuse their expenses system - and are still not subject to the pension fears of mere voters, be it public or private sector.



Keep your far right drivel about rioters and looters. Fix the problem from the top. The example set by the leaders of UK society is unforgivable. Place blame where it belongs.

basil


Joined: 10/04/2009
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 02:11

Oh, and stop spouting holier-than-thou drivel about corruption and cronyism in TRNC. People who live in glass houses .......

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 09:32

May I congratulate you on such an excellent and well thought out and expressed post, 'basil'!



Unfortunately, all throughout history, the kings and barons have drunk the wine and the peasants have done all the work and the fighting. When the latter caused uprisings, these were brutally put down. Unfortunately, human nature doesn't change. What has changed, relatively recently, has been society's attitude towards the 'bourgoisie'.

nuttynora


Joined: 29/05/2009
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 12:43

Basil I think your last paragraph sums up very real problems that England has . The social unrest that England is experiencing needs to be addressed by your government in a sensible and coherent fashion and not with the usual knee jerk reactions that so often characterises Wesminster politics.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 13:27

It will not be fixed from the top,too many have an eye on their seat at the next election.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 13:38

paddywack



on the contrary, the mood of the nation is for decisive action is needed and if the politicians have any savvy about them they will get tough on these issues and I think the populous would be behind them.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 13:45

Time is of the essence,act now,if not urgency will be put on the back burner,and also we have the human rights act, which will be on the side of any wrongdooer

nuttynora


Joined: 29/05/2009
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 16:43

I see that some posters are concerned at the lack of discipline amongst English youngsters - msg 15 in particular. Have a read of this piece from The Glasgow Herald



http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/the-scots-teacher-lauded-by-cameron-1.1117803