water problems getting dire

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 13:36

i know lots of people have and our having water problems on the island.

But catalkoy which is normally good has struggled this year to provide enough water.

what has anoyyed me an article in paper saying its all the pool owners.

i have to disagree and the amount of wet pavements and shop fronts etc is where it is being wasted.

I am also against grass as this requires enormous water to keep it green,can some one tell me is it ilegal to have sprinkler system from the mains?

I try to conserve every drop our shower run off goes to garden our backin tank.

stop trying to pin blame on the people who dont fill balance tanks but have bowsers.

Whats need is a sytem of receipts for pool owners to prove they have topped up in the hot months by bowser.

or a tax to cover costs

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 13:44

dare i say:



3rd world country with 3rd world utilities.....



No matter how you try to convince yourself "you can't polish a turd"





"but you can roll it in glitter" replied DC, yogzulu and the rest of the happy clappy and rose tinted gang..............

cyprusLulz


Joined: 01/08/2011
Posts: 113

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 13:47

crude but well put positive nick

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 13:54

NN I think DC would be happier denying it's existence...........Where as yorg would blame it on the Turks..

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 13:57

'NegativeNick' comes up trumps - yet again!



As for the 'happy-clappies' - get real!

dinner-dave


Joined: 14/08/2011
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
15/08/2011 14:28

message 2, this is not the first time i've heard that said about the trnc and i'm sure it won't be the last.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:12

AS said before tax

swimming pools heavily

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:18

How will tax increase the water supply? Joined-up thinking is required and well owners need to be regulated as they are dipping into the aquifer too.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:19

Why? cos you don't have one????

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:57

Because it makes sense



I wonder how swimming pools there were in the 60's



If you want the luxury of a pool



pay for it



Simple

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 22:47

philbailey;

You are asking for trouble by simply not saying what 'they' want to hear.



god damn money and cheap properties ,making Cyprus attractive to these...................

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 02:27

Message 2 one of the big problems in Cyprus is "turds" coming out with insulting remarks !!

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 07:27

message 7 & 10



We have already paid for our pool £15000 to have it put in 7 years ago. And at least 10 tankers of water per year in the summer! Plus the maintenance money every month.

So I think we have paid well for it don't you?



Chris

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:25

10 "tankers" of water in the summer..



Well,You are certainly not concerned about the topic..... Buying water for private pools does nothing except show a disregard for the worsening draught..............

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:57

Look at the water shortage constructively, there is only so much water available to all, from whatever it's source maybe here in the TRNC, whether it's delivered by tanker or supplied to your home by the local authority. Clearly measures should be put in place to reduce the amount of water used by each household in a fair manner that does not target solely the ex pat community or the Cypriot community but is aimed at those who use and waste water needlessly.



How to implement those measures would not be an easy task nor popular but an area to start could be by not giving permission to construct any more swimming pools without a license from a regulatory body. For those house holders who already own a pool introduce a proof of water purchase system (Msg 1) but with proper registered Faturas instead of just a receipt that any 'fly by night' tanker driver could write out and not pay tax to the government on.

Msg Cont.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:00

Regulate commercial Car Washes so that they recycle and re use their water.



Education of house holders on ways to reduce water consumption and step up inspections and enforcement by the local authorities of those who wash and damp down the dust each morning with a hose pipe and for those who slide a hose pipe into their swimming pools in the quiet hours to top up the level.

Continued from Msg 15

A complete ban on hose pipes being used by house holders and private non agricultural businesses during the summer months irrespective of whether the water comes from their own well or not.



Introduced in stages measures like these suggestions could work, they may be a bitter pill for some to swallow but they should be balanced with fact. How many more, new homes and pools and water wastage can the TRNC sustain. We all need to move away from the notion that everything will be 'hunky dory' if we get more rain next winter or when the pipeline from Turkey arrives.



Msg Cont

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:01

Continued from Msg 15 & 16



Would any government have the tenacity to introduce such far reaching measures, I have my doubts, in any event the problem will not go away it must be tackled!

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:08

Continued from Msg 15, 16 & 17.



Regulate where the tanker drivers obtain their water from and implement the same Fatura system with the well owners (Msg 8). This would probably increase the cost of water delivered but if you can't afford it can you really afford to own a pool? Those who can afford it good luck to them, at least the tax revenue from what they paid to the licensed tankers would find it's way into a regulatory bodies coffers.

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:18

Why not simply set up a few plants around the coast so that for all pools and non essential water could be fetched from the sea by tanker.



All so why not simply construct some dams in a various places in the mountains, there are several ideal sites.



How many millions of tons of water have been wasted in winter ?

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:33

Alsancak authority advise me that they have plenty of water annually but the problem is that much of it is wasted throughout the months which have rain as they do not have sufficient reservoir facility to save it. Evidently there are no funds to overcome the problem ! Not sure that there should be a hosepipe ban on those who use privately paid for tanker water use on their gardens. Most land here appears to be so arid and/or covered in concrete that there might be precious little flora, insect and wildlife if cultivated gardens disappeared. The whole issue of water supply and conservation needs to be urgently reviewed by experts and acted upon immediately. I read somewhere that such experts already use Cyprus as their barometer for assessing water supplies throughout the Mediterranean as it has the fastest diminishing resources.

gazmufc78


Joined: 03/09/2009
Posts: 366

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 10:34

I think that one project that could be considered would be to invest in desalination plants. This could be either after building of a new motorway from Girne to Lefkosia by means of a tunnel throught the mountains, or instead of based on PRIORITY.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 12:57

I live in Catalkoy and have had no water shortage this year.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 13:35

I haven't had a situation where I haven't got any water (Çatalköy) but I have noticed that the water is only on for a limited period in the early hours and usually off by 7am or earlier.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 13:49

I am not certain what constitutes a water shortage in a particular area but if water were abundant I would say there would be no restrictions in how it was used and that it was available to each and every home all day and every day.



Face up to it people we have a water shortage problem which ever way it is denied or dressed up.



Msg 22 & 23 this post was started by someone who lives in Catalkoy.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 11:02

Hildy, It's not because I don't have one, it's because those who do seem to justify washing the road by saying it's water from their 'own well', not realising that they extract water from the same supply that feeds the mains.

Several times a day Gulen Kebab hose down the pavement around their eatery and that's not water from their own well. Is it a good idea? I don't think so.

If others in their community are running out of water why is it OK to waste it?

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 12:23

Water restrictions are nothing new I have lived in Catalkoy for 9 years and its always been every third day or so. Doesnt stop waste though.

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 17:06

Do you want some of ours



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027453/UK-flash-floods-Dorset-monsoon-Bournemouth-coast-gets-fortnights-rain-30-MINS.html

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 20:48

In reply to message 10, I do not recall seeing a single swimming pool in the 60s. In fact that were very few in the mid 90s - they are a recent thing, and some people also claim that evaporation is also adding to the increasing humidity of the last few years.



It should also be remembered that swimming pools also use another scare commodity - electricity- someone commented that one man's swimming pool is another mans power cut.



Gardens are a different matter - they benefit the environment by shade, consolidation of soil, conversion of carbon dioxide etc. In the great fire of l996 they also acted as fire breaks (but so to be fair did swimming pools!) and mitigated property damage.



I have to use a hose because I cant carry heavy buckets of water - but I do it by hand and "target" plants rather than spray it all over the garden and encourage weeds. I grow mainly drought resistant and keep particularly thirsty plants near the kitchen door so they get extra from waste wate

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 20:59

Everyone, expat and local, needs to realise that we live in a disadvantaged country with a fragile infrastructure and greedy use of resources makes life even harder for the more vulnerable.



Using well water diminishes the water table as much as "piped" water. What it doesnt do is to cost the authoritities money in purification, pumping and pipes, so perhaps they are more relaxed about it.



What should happen is that well water should be taxed, albeit at a lower rate than piped water, and on a sliding scale according to useage, but I must admit I cant see how!!!!



It might also help if people were given more advice and help and incentive (bearing in mind my comment in the post above about carrying buckets) in the use of "grey" water for car washing, gardens etc.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 18:46

some good points always a difficult subject but i think grass should be banned sorry gardeners!!!

i would like some form of rain collection as pool owners will know they often have to pump out water which they have been trying hard to replace in the summer.

salt water pools must be another answer

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 21:38

What happened to the pipeline that was coming from Turkey?

Panchocat


Joined: 29/11/2009
Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 23:26

Bizzilizzi I think there were swimming pools around in the 1960s. The Blue House has one and that was built in the 1950s I think. Obviously they were not as common as they are today but they were here.



I have three Cypriot neighbours and they all have swimming pools, so it's not just an ex pat thing. Unlike the neighbours though we don't wash down our terraces three times a day or hose the shutters every evening, as they do.



Education is what is really needed in the fight to conserve water.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 23:39

Message 30



As a gardener I wouldnt object to banning grass, it needs an awful lot of water and lawns are unnatural in Cyprus. My plea was for hosepipes to be allowed for older and arthritic people was to keep sensible gardens based mainly on tough local plants going through the hot months when even drought resistant plants need some help. AS I said I keep particularly thirsty specimens in pots near the kitchen door so I can give them waste water. It is only minimum watering for the rest of the garden that is needed.



Salt water pools have been suggested before. I think the problem is that the sea is at - sea level and needs pumping up, though I cant understand why it is a greater problem than pumping from wells. On the other hand with the profoliferation of pools here , we might end up draining the Med.!

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 08:18

But when a few drops of rain came yesterday a lady from Catalkoy was most upset about the welfare of some cats (probably feral) living in a drain pipe! I ask you!