UK's Generosity to refugees

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 14:06

A Somalia family have been given a £8000 per month £2 milion house in London. All paid for by the tax payers. They have refused to move to a £1000 per month rental in Coventry because they would be too far away from their friends!!

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 14:34

Perhaps they should be sent to live close to their friends in Somalia.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 14:46

A family of asylum seekers on "every kind of benefit available" granted a move to a £2 million 6 bedroom (4 en suites) London mansion to be near their friends £8000 month (the landlord had advertised it at £1500 a week previously). It is not known how many children they have up to eight youngsters have been seen at the house including two in wheelchairs. Father said last week "this is my house we got every right to live here". They arrived in the UK 3 years ago and never worked. Housing benefit was recenly capped to £400 per week but they moved in just before it came into force.

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 15:33

Dont blame them.

Blame the people who voted in the politicians who made the rules.

ScubaBoy9


Joined: 19/07/2010
Posts: 87

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 17:04

Then you have a drug dealing illegal immigrant. The judge reduces his sentance to reduce the chance of him being deported





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026222/UK-immigration-Drug-dealing-Vincent-Millers-sentence-cut-wont-kicked-out.html

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 17:23

Careful or you will be banned for racism, trust me I know.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:37

Msg 6,

This is not racism, just telling how it is.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 21:46

Is this anything to do with 'basic human rights'?

silentbutdim


Joined: 07/09/2010
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 22:33

message 8......NO

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 22:42

msg 9;

funny how it changes from one to another!

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 23:17

I get rather incensed when I read articals like this. It is a hidden source of racism I have as one of my lesser personal attributes. What does put things into perspective is the comment from Carndi "Dont blame them

blame the people who voted in the politicians who made the rules". Your absolutely right! Of course not forgetting the main beneficiary of all this, the landlord.

Johnatcastle


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 163

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 23:31

Hold on a minute, how on earth can you blame the landlord for letting his property????

He has paid for that property and wants to earn a living from it (I assume so pardon me if wrong) He advertises it and the local housing office agree to rent it from him. Where is the wrong doing there???

Yes he is gaining rent from it but he would do anyway from a private tennant!

The soft local council (and central government) is to blame. Too easy by far in my opinion and not just for asylum seekers and/or immigrants but for anyone who has the disease of 'can't be bothereditis'

Just my pennys worth.

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 23:37

Quarmby, I think the story goes that they were already housed in the Coventry house, but as it was too far from their friends they were given a house in Hampstead Heath.............(only an hour away from Coventry by train)

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 23:59

Funny I have friends in London, I wonder if they would rehouse me in a nice part of London. don't suppose so, I do not qualify, 'cos I paid my taxes and NI all my working life!

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
16/08/2011 23:59

Johnatcastle



Point well made and taken.

Quarmby


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Posts: 975

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 00:06

yorgozlu



so if I turned up in the TRNC penniless, would the TRNC authorities put me up in a nice villa, I bet not.

so where are my basic human rights?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 03:46

Quarmby msg 14 and 16, clearly you do not understand the reason for asylum and the laws governing it. Being penniless is not grounds to seek asylum. Being able to prove you are at risk of persecution in your country of origin is grounds to seek asylum. You should be thankful that you are not able to claim asylum, because you do not suffer such persecution in your country of origin.



The UK and indeed all EU member states are very low down on the list of countries worldwide, in terms of the number of asylum seekers in each country. For such a list see here.



http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/indicators/44.html

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 08:42

erolz



so if the Somali and his family turned up in TRNC, would the authorities treat them like the UK have? That was my point.

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:02

AN ABSOLUTE BLOODY DISGRACE!!







Oh BRITAIN , where did we go wrong?



We're "broke" and can't help our own Seniors, Veterans, Orphans, Homeless etc.?



Are you aware of the following?





The British Government provides the following financial assistance: -



BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER (bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and National Insurance contributions to the British government all their working life) Weekly allowance: £106.00

IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN (No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever) Weekly allowance: £250.00







BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Weekly Spouse allowance: £25.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Weekly Spouse allowance: £225.00







BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER Additional weekly hardship allowance £0.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN Additional weekly hardship allowance £100.00



A British old age pensioner is no less

Redwine


Joined: 15/01/2009
Posts: 565

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:04

A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing





BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT £6,000

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £29,900



Please read all and then forward to all your contacts so that we can lobby for a decent state pension.



After all, the average pensioner has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years.



Sad isn't it? Its about time we put our own people first.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:26

Redwine, where did you get this information from please.

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:30

A circulating email :



Letter to David Cameron



Dear Mr Cameron,

Please find below our suggestion for fixing the UK's economy.

Instead of giving billions of pounds to banks that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan.

You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

There are about 10 million people over 50 in the work force.

Pay them £1 million each severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire.

Ten million job openings - unemployment fixed

2) They MUST buy a new British car.

Ten million cars ordered - Car Industry fixed

3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed

4) They MUST send their kids to school/college/university - Crime rate fixed

5) They MUST buy £100 WORTH of alcohol/tobacco a week ....And there's your money back in duty/tax etc

It can't get any easier than that!

P.S. If more money is needed, have all members of parliament

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:31

pay back their falsely claimed expenses and second home allowances.

If you think this would work, please forward to everyone you know.

Also...........Let’s put the pensioners in jail and the criminals in a nursing home.

This way the pensioners would have access to showers, hobbies and walks..

They'd receive unlimited free prescriptions, dental and medical treatment, wheel chairs etc and they'd receive money instead of paying it out.

They would have constant video monitoring, so they could be helped instantly, if they fell, or needed assistance.

Bedding would be washed twice a week, and all clothing would be ironed and returned to them.

A guard would check on them every 20 minutes and bring their meals and snacks to their cell.

They would have family visits in a suite built for that purpose.

They would have access to a library, weight room, spiritual counselling, pool and education.

Simple clothing, shoes, slippers, PJ's and legal aid would be free,

Washerman


Joined: 19/09/2008
Posts: 2301

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 09:32

on request.

Private, secure rooms for all, with an exercise outdoor yard, with gardens.

Each senior could have a PC a TV radio and daily phone calls.

There would be a board of directors to hear complaints, and the guards would have a code of conduct that would be strictly adhered to.

The criminals would get cold food, be left all alone and unsupervised. Lights off at 8pm, and showers once a week. Live in a tiny room and pay £600.00 per week and have no hope of ever getting out.

Think about this (more points of contention):

COWS

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Appleby almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the county of Cumbria?

And, they even tracked her calves to their stalls.. But they are unable to locate 125,000 illegal immigrants wandering around our country. Maybe we should give each of them a cow.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 12:13

I thought the topic was about UK!



But if you wish to turn it on trnc yet again,I tell you where to start,

1-recognise it,or

2-help find solution

3-demand your basic human rights



saying that,what'd happen to property prices if or when that happens?or even,the properties you 'own'?



visious circle or what..........

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 12:52

Quarmby msg 18



The TRNC's recornd on treatment of asylum seekers in not great. Does this mean that the UK should seek to treat them as badly ? Anyway if you want some actual information rather than just rants some can be found here.



http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100554.htm



"Turkish Cypriot authorities' cooperation with the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in providing protection and assistance to asylum seekers was uneven, due at least in part to complications arising from the unrecognized status of the "TRNC." No law exists regarding the handling of asylum applications, but procedures were conducted in accordance with an annually renewed project agreement between the UNHCR and the Turkish Cypriot authorities on the rehabilitation of asylum seekers. There is a Turkish Cypriot UNHCR representative in the area administered by Turkish Cypriots. "



It should also be noted that the rights of sylum seekers in TRNC as covered by ECHR.