Crazy benefit payouts in the uk..

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 15:20

Watched the today program from the uk this morning, and was amazed that a 34 yr old woman who has 10 children from different fathers is claiming £30,000 pa in benefits. She doesn't receive any money from the fathers and said "she is struggling to survive"............what the........ !!!!

I find this quite unbelievable and no wonder the country is an easy target for anyone to get some easy handouts.......................makes me so angry.............!!!!

eagles


Joined: 23/03/2009
Posts: 80

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:46

They should stop all benefits except the oaps - then they will have plenty of money to improve services in uk

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 16:47

She should be sterilized and her kids taken into care so she can be forced to work, when she has a job she can have her brood of future degenerates back.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 17:33

Hetty,

That response is rather harsh and judgmental of this lady's children. Your solution seems to indicate that the local authority care system is a more cost efficient method than the family benifits process. To suggest that somebody be sterilised in that manner is plainly just horrible. I am a product of the care system and I would not wish it upon anybody. 75% of children in or leaving care become offenders. So I'm affraid your logic does not stand up to scrutiny. Supporting families to stay together is a better way forward. In 2001 the benefits fraud squad succesfully prosecuted over 17000 benefit cheats and retrived revunue of £5.2 million. In 2002 HMRC and the serious fraud office with far less resource available prosecuted 206 tax avoidance cases and netted £29 million.

Who is robbing the state. You can make your own judgment. I have.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 17:38

stubbs you are nothing but an apologist for the nanny state in the UK, what I said is the what should happen, why should tax payers pay for a brood of future degenerates and that is what this horde will turn out to be, probably none of them will work and drain the dwindling benefit system even further.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 17:45

Hetty,

You've met them of course as individuals and assessed their future prospects through a social and interactive screening process? You must have to be able to arrive at such a balanced opinion.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 17:49

As for being an apologist for the nanny state in the UK, you could not be more wrong. You've made a judgment on me and you are wholly wrong. I'm as Tory as a Tory could be.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 17:52

Stubbs, 10 kids, different fathers, do you really think this woman is going to be a good role model for her brood!

wattys


Joined: 07/10/2008
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:02

Stubbs



Have you read the story about this women, apparently not she is now associating with a 18 youth, what a way to bring kids up she's nothing but a drain on society and a total slapper spunging on all tax payers.



She has no morals at all, and does not give a damn about anyone.



As far has you being a tory whats doe's that mean that all labour supporters condone what she has done.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:08

Hetty,

My point is you have judged her children (goats have kid's). You have predicted their life outcome and character before they have had a chance. I am from a family that was dispersed because of drugs, drink and poverty. I have never broken the law. I have served for 22 years Queen and Country and so have my 3 brothers 2 of which are still serving (1 did get arrested for drink drive). My 2 sisters have also never fell foul of the law either.

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:14

Maybe hetty and wattys a little more compassion in your life would make you happier less angry people. It is I agree terrible that one women has had all these children and I feel so sorry for those kids but if all you do is write them off before they have been given a chance then you're just contributing to the cycle. How will kids like this who have no say who they where born too ever do better in life if they are condemned from the start as no good and future degenerates.



Maybe think yourself lucky that isn't your life and think about how you can help rather than whinge and whine on a forum that will in fact achieve NOTHING.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:17

stubbs I applaud you and wish everyone was like you, sadly they are not. This woman needs sterilizing, as wattys said she is nothing but a slapper, an irresponible one at that.

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:25

Maybe hetty and wattys a little more compassion in your life would make you happier less angry people. It is I agree terrible that one women has had all these children and I feel so sorry for those kids but if all you do is write them off before they have been given a chance then you're just contributing to the cycle. How will kids like this who have no say who they where born too ever do better in life if they are condemned from the start as no good and future degenerates.



Maybe think yourself lucky that isn't your life and think about how you can help rather than whinge and whine on a forum that will in fact achieve NOTHING.

hetty


Joined: 31/07/2011
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:27

misty, luck has nothing to do with it, I had 1 child, I didn't sleep with the world and his dog, it was my choice, this woman has no moral fibre, is isn't difficult to work out how her brood will turn out.

wattys


Joined: 07/10/2008
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:33

Mistymoppet



If you and Stubbs read what i have said at no time have i spoken bad about the children, it is the mother who is out of order.



I feel sorry for the children to they had no choice for the situation they find themselves in, and yes i do have compassion and not angry for the simple reason is i can't do bugger all about it.



And i'm sure the mother wont.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:39

Like I said on another post,there are people who have children and use the benefit system as a tax free family business.

rocking


Joined: 05/11/2008
Posts: 421

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:40

How about plenty of UK people living here who are claiming benefits i.e. disability when you see them swinging a golf club, swimming etc. then rushing off every 3 months or so to pretend to doctors they deserve it. Notice some people are staying there a bit longer with the threat of a clampdown on cheats. There will always be elderly people in the UK that need full time care and looking after and if all those claiming benefits who were on the fiddle were caught here and there perhaps our elderly people who have a better life in their latter years.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 18:56

Watty,

Whithout wishing to sound acrimonious with this disscusion, I would hasten to point out that I have not addressed or engaged with you on this subject. My responses have all been to Hetty and as such addressed to her. So for you to point out to me that "If you and Stubbs read what i have said at no time have i spoken bad about the children" So exactly what are you inferring?

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 19:02

NO Wattys but I was addressing you and hetty and your judgemental posts. You don't know anything about this woman or her life that may of led her to this situation.

She may have been sexually abused from being a child and sees sex as the only way to connect to someone or to feel needed. None of us knows why she is the way she is and from the comfort of our own lives and sofa it's easy to judge others. I doubt very much that this was the life she would have chosen for herself if things had been different for her why the heck would she.

I doubt anyone here on this forum or anywhere else in world hasn't done something they shouldn't have done or that they wouldn't want others to know about.



As I said if you feel so strongly about this sort of thing help a charity, give your time to help educate women into seeing there is a better way in life. Complaining about people you don't know on a forum based in another country just seems a little pointless.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 19:29

We all agree mistakes can be made but not 10 times, why should UK tax payers pay for this. This is not 50 years ago when contraception was not widely available. Be honest how many woman would have several children from different fathers if they knew they would not receive a penny benefit. Not many. It makes my blood boil when I see people like my mother who have worked all her life and now needs to go into a care home and cannot get a penny towards it.



I only have 1 child, I would have loved more but knew realistically I could not afford to so I made a conscious decision not to have more.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 19:47

There have been numerous studies into the issues of only child parenting. In the main the general reported outcomes are not pleasant reading especially for the parents of an only child. What judgments does the likes of Hetty have on only child outcomes. There are some very infamous only children in the UK that have cost the tax payers a lot. One of the many traits for the only child was that he or she was often spoiled, lonely and socially inept. What do you think that this led to?

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 19:49

Parkview, You are lucky to blessed with a certain level of common sense and I assume your parents tried to bring you up decent and well. If you had been born for example to this women and then where out in the world do you think the likely outcome of your life would have been different.



I do not agree with someone having 10 kids but I do try to understand that someone doing such a thing maybe hasn't had the fortunate start, morale guidance of opportunities perhaps you and I have had.



As I have said before if you took away this women's benefits what would be the net result? the kids would suffer and end up in care costing the tax payer even more money. I don't know the answer I really don't but I certainly don't deem myself someone who has the right to pass judgement on others when I know nothing about them or their lives.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 20:52

It is probably too late to take away her benefits now but a law should be passed stating that anyone having more than 2 children from different fathers that are not married will not be entitled to benefits. I just think maybe this will stop so many young girls getting into this situation in the first place. If a youngster thinks she has no chance of getting a job then the next best thing is getting pregnant and living off benefits and possibly getting housed.



Years ago when I tried to get on a housing list I was told "get yourself pregnant" I was horrified that I was being told this. The only opportunities I had was what I made for myself, no help from my family financially but yes morale guidance.



I can tell you what will become of her children and this I can almost guarantee, most, if not all will end up having several children themselves at a very young age from different fathers and live off the state. It seems to be a self perpetuating cycle I am afraid.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:00

My wife and I are pensioners, we are typical of our generation,worked all our life, paid into company pension, every month we have to pay ,which seems to us a substantial amount of tax. Why should we pay to subsidise this woman's feckless lifestyle.

Judgeing from some contributors to this thread they are sympathetic to how she acts.

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:09

M





parkview, I am the same I have never had any help and had to get on with things for myself but I wasn't born one of 10 kids to a single mother or something similar. We didn't have much growing up and my parents where never in a position to pay into a private pension or buy their own home but the stability of decent parents has stopped myself and my brothers from having a warped sense of entitlement and we know we have to work hard for what you want in life.



If I was born to a women as mentioned in the thread though I have no doubt my life would be similar to hers as that would be my example.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:17

But that is exactly the problem, her children will do the same thing as her, as you say, she is their example! Somehow this cycle has to stop and I am afraid it sounds harsh but I know so many people who carry on having children because there is no need to get off their backsides and work.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:24

parkview (Delia) agree with all you say; problem is, how do you stop the cycle? I wish I knew.



Message 21 - Stubbs - I am an only child, as is my son. I do not feel that I was spoiled (in fact, it was the complete opposite in my cse), my son was not spoiled and I don't think either of us are socially inept.



J

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:28

Hetty



your sick in the head



why would you want her kids in care.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:30

This kind of thing is an insult to all hard-working, honest folk. I will vote for a government that

promises to cut out this nonsense.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:51

stubbs1, my daughter is an only child and she certainly is not spoiled, and what has that got to do with the government paying a woman to basically breed!

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 21:58

Does receiving benefits extend to child benefit? And whatever tax breaks help with childcare that is the latest thing?



Or is that different because it's something you receive?



I know many people who choose not to have kids and their tax is used to provide such benefits should they be outraged and full of anger over this?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:03

phylray. Spot on. Its an insult to all hard working people. There are far too many of these spongers in the UK now.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:09

Luckily the issue of immigrants (such as that poor Somali family living in a £8000 a month house in London) or welfare claimants that are unable to work through disability (such as a bad back or stress) does not cause my blood to boil in the least.



The fact that they may not have contributed a single penny to the country does not concern me at all. The fact that they are able to claim more in benefits than I could claim if I was able, is simply their entitlement.



I do worry though that they are not claiming the full extent that they are 'entitled' to. At least I can be reassured that if their human rights are in any way infringed that the full force of the legal profession (paid for quite rightly by the taxpayer) will be deployed on their behalf without cost to them.

reyntj


Joined: 26/01/2011
Posts: 229

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:34

30000 isn't that much really between 11 individuals it's about £7 a day each perhaps uk is better off having a social security system like USA and herding everyone into ghettos and trailer parks

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:36

Msg 33 The Uk is too soft in this way there is no doubt but this is down to government policy, people can only claim what is legally available.



If you where unlucky enough to be born poor in Somalia and had the chance to go to UK and claim benefits and provide for your kids would you not do so?



Unfortunately no one said life was fair, your always going to get poor and rich and those in between it's just the way it is.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:42

mistypoppet

Can you put up a poor Somalian family in your house?

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:56

But I thought the fathers must pay something by law, as she said that 4 of the kids are visited by the father occasionally, but they don't pay any maintenance. Why should the man in the street pay for their upkeep and not the fathers.

Wrong if you ask me, as when I return to the uk and want medical treatment I get asked if I have been in the country for 6 months, even though I have paid my way for many years, unlike this woman who has never worked in her life or paid anything back into the pot so to speak.

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 22:56

What does that have to do with anything Msg 36???



As it happens I have spent the last 3 months living in my brother and wife's spare room since separating from my husband and returning to UK. While I await my legal separation in Canada and my financial settlement I am living on what little money I have rather than claiming benefits and renting accommodation.



A little tricky for me to have a family living with me don't you think?



And from that the assumption made by you and I'm sure others is that my life is tickety boo, well it isn't.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 23:01

I see we still have the social worker/liberal /do gooder /Guadiaista brigade making excuses for all the scroungers who are taking hard earned money from the taxpayer, when are they coming into the real world to see how it is.?

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 23:12

Paddywack from your details you're not even from UK Your from Ireland so why do you care where the UK tax payers money is spent. Is it in case good old Ireland need another hand out from them?

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 23:31

Msg 40

I contributed for 41 years when I lived in England, and my pension is taxed in the U.k so that gives me as much say as anybody on this board,even somebody from Canada,anyway how do you know I dont come from the North,research your facts.

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 23:38

I'm not from Canada so maybe practise what you preach paddy. However I wasn't the one complaining about how the tax where being spent. And as I say huge amount of the tax payers money went to bail Ireland out of it's hole.



The reason I know your not from the North is that people from the North very rarely say Ireland they say Northern Ireland whereas the Irish say Ireland. I know this because I spent 5 years living in Ennis.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
17/08/2011 23:55

Ennis, now if my memory is in tact that is near Limerick. I once spent a month on a job there. If I had a pound for every begger on the street that tried to tap me I would be a millionare.



Paddy do you come from the North? Are you a Brit or one of those Fenians gobs*ites who tried to blow me up at Drumcree?

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 00:02

Stubbs yes it's about 45 min t an hour away from limerick, my everlasting memory of it is it never stopped raining and the pubs where all grotty.

berilela


Joined: 17/07/2010
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 16:34

well i dont know whats gone wrong for me then as i returned to uk 5 weeks ago im not able to get income support and am appealing the panel reason given i had left the country for 6 yrs so not intitled so ive no money wont give me any where to live as i made my self homeless leaving cyprus with my daughter all i can say is good job my parents took me in as id be sitting in a door way with my daughter ,,me thinks its because IM WHITE no ,

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 16:57

I believe but am not certain that you have to be in UK for 3 months before you can claim.Having not done this on my return I am not sure but I think that was what I was told.





Berilela it's a little sad that you want to make this about colour. Do you really think that the rules are different for you than anyone else wanting to claim? I am sorry for your situation but please don't think that if your skin colour was different that the result would have been different.

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 17:09

You are not entitled to anything if you have been out of the country and not paid in for the last two years - tried that and that is what we were told. Never mind paying into the system for fourty years! Be aware. How is it then that if you have never worked or come from another EU country you are given everything, makes my blood boil.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 17:15

Msg 43.

What were you doing at Drumcree

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 17:17

Msg 47 I don't believe it's a case of you are never entitled to claim anything just not straight away. Did they not tell you that?

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 17:50

No we were catogorically told you have been out of the country for the last two years and because you have not paid any contributions into the system in that time we cannot help you. No job seekers allowance etc.

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:07

mikea11, yes there are rules for anyone who enters the UK, you either complete the HRT(Habitual Residency Test) or benefits(JSA) are based on National Insurance Contributions. If, as you have stated, you have been out of the Country for more than 2 years you cannot claim Contribution Based JSA. Have you tried a claim for Income based Job Seekers Allowance? As it says it is based on your income coming into the household and that obviously, would include any monies from a sale of house, Pensions etc. If you still own a house abroad that will be looked at and your circumstances would be taken into account regarding that property. Everyone is looked at on individual merit.

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:19

It must of been contribution based JSA. we could not claim the other one because I had returned to work (career break and deemed we could survive on my earnings)Luckily now husband in work so issue solved but was very angry at the time.



Also remember a lot of car insurance companies will not honour your no claims bonus again if you have been out of the UK for more than two years, we were lucky as ours said three so we just fell into that criteria.

berilela


Joined: 17/07/2010
Posts: 590

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:20

message 46 MISS POPMOPPET hasve you read any news papers latetly dont judge me you dont know me all i said was that was told to me but have to jump on it its people like you that people dont want to input on here

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:22

Why not indicate that you are an asylum seeker without any papers from Somalia who can't speak English and persecuted because you look white?

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:22

Msg 50, do you have money in the bank? If you have cash, property etc no you wont be able to claim anything as you're not in need otherwise yes you can after 3 months. I was told this and have been away from UK for 11 years. Mine was just a general question in case I needed it but have family who are housing me and i have money to pay my way so Have no intension of making a claim.

mikea11


Joined: 15/06/2008
Posts: 254

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:40

Yes have savings but was not going to tell them that, that is my get out of UK and return to TRNC money if things don't pan out here!

mistymoppet


Joined: 29/07/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:57

berilela, I'm sorry I was not jumping on you I was simply saying don't make it about the colour of your skin. I find racist comments very offensive so if you say something I disagree with I WILL comment on it.



However I have to say that you last post seems to indicate your first language is not english! Is this the case?



This is a public forum and you can't expect to say something like that and expect everyone to say oh dear poor you and not comment on it. If you don't want others opinions then don't post.



Msg 56 yes that would be the case, if you are classed as having enough money coming into the household then you wont get anything unless it's national insurance based. This is nothing to do with being out of the county just the normal rules.



Car insurance yes that's the case too, wherever you are in the world if you don't drive or are not based in a recognized country you loose your no claims bonus.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 19:36

Fairly new to this board, though have been visiting Cyprus for many a year. I was just wondering, do people post these negative stories about the UK to justify their decision to move to or buy in the TRNC? Are people here really that insecure or shallow?



Giles.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 21:14

Giles



ouch!! Me thinks you may be touching a raw nerve!

tarry67


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 1053

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 14:10

Giles msg 58

So may I ask what is insecure or shallow about passing on a topic to the board members that as a uk tax payer I am surely in my rights to comment on. If the thread is of no interest to you then don't read it, quite simple, rather than going off topic.



You said

"do people post these negative stories about the UK to justify their decision to move to or buy in the TRNC"

Many topics posted on this forum are from people that live in the uk so I really don't know where you are coming from with this statement.



As you said "Fairly new to this board" I hope your not just another old fart that has an opinion about everything on the forum......... Have a nice day

authentichoccie


Joined: 09/01/2008
Posts: 481

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 14:18

Tarry, Well said!

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 03:28

Benefits are for the poor!

I have worked since the age of 16 but am now unemployed but can't get a penny because I have savings.

Anyone who claims and doesn't declare their assets are liable to prosecution - quite rightly!

Why do you lot never take into account the" upstanding" citizens and corporations the other end of the spectrum who avoid/evade tax and cost the country millions more than the dole "scroungers"

They are the real problem!!

Is it because you believe everything printed in Murdochs Sun and Mail??

Or is it because "ignorance is bliss"???

And racist comments like it's "cos I'm white" help nobody!!

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 12:54

bertieboss,



Surely at 69 you are getting your pension?

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 13:52

Back to the point of this discussion. The woman in question could well have a mental problem that absolves her from the full responsibilties of her actions. Her children are victims and we should as a compasionate society help them as much as we can. However, having said this I do believe the criteria for what is called the poverty line needs to be redefined. Colour TVs, Sky sat systems, cars , money for cigarettes, alcohol, betting shops and holidays should not be included in the benefit system.

JohnDownes


Joined: 03/12/2010
Posts: 123

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 22:06

The problem is that the welfare state has expanded to a size at least a million times that envisaged by Beveridge.

It is no longer a safety net for the unfortunate. It is a hammock for the lazy, the shiftless, the criminal and the feckless.

The recent riots in the UK were nothing to do with with race. They were opportunistic outbreaks of thievery by an underclass coming from families who have not found it necessary to work for a living across multiple generations.

It took an American to spot what should have been obvious to all.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 22:35

Msg 65

This article hits the nail on the head , be interesting to see what our liberal free thinking members say.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 23:22

Tarry, I agree with both your posts.

Bertieboss, ''benefits are for the poor'', they should be. I don't class not having a colour tv, car, mobile phone,

holiday, up to the minute fashion , as being poor. Saying that, what Tonyta says about her children being victims, and should be helped....well, how much more help can the government give. How big is this honeypot??

Mess 64, ''this woman could well have mental problems'', yeah righto. So it's taken the authorities after having 10 children to decide that. No wonder Britain is in the state it is in.

Oh oh... wait for it............

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 01:42

Message63 - can you live on a pension??

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
23/08/2011 01:46

John-message 65-10/10 My sentiments exactly,very well put.