Varosha to be returned?

john-f


Joined: 31/03/2011
Posts: 29

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 11:01

the following link is interesting!!

http://famagusta-gazette.com/newspaper-reports-varosha-to-be-returned-p12717-69.htm

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 11:05

Interesting given the recent pronouncements from Turkey that 'Varosha is off the table'

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 11:24

'rightful owners'



EVKAF?

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 12:26

The rightfull owners were and still are both Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.

Brinsley


Joined: 04/04/2009
Posts: 6858

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 13:28

My then UK neighbour in 1974 lost £30K+ on an apartment in Varosha, so Brits lost out as well!



Richard

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 13:56

30k in Cyprus in 1974



how big was the apartment ?

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 16:06

Appears things have not changed then considering Brits and other nationalities appear to also be losing big time on properties they have purchased in good faith in the North of Cyprus !!

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 17:49

varosha to be handed over to the south cyprus administration:

but in return for what, exactly?



perhaps under un superision and on grounds of humanity then

the airport and famagusta could be freed up, but most unlikely

the eu could be trusted to act impartialy with 2012 and all that



nah, I think it would be healthier to accept that varosha is not

really on offer, there is no compromise proposal on the table,

that guzelyurt is no longer up for grabs...



and that the orams decision, however disasterous for the oap

couple, the court by making its famous decision immediately

afterwards to refer new claimants to the IPC, all north cyprus

buyers now enjoy more, not less security of tenure

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:21

Only one minor Turkish Cypriot daily Bakis reports this. Suggesting that the" illegal" Tymvou airport and the "occupied" Famagusta port will open to international flights and trade under the administration of the EU or the UN.

This is an old suggestion mooted by the Greek Cypriots.

If this article is true one could consider this to be a step forward in the re-integration process. On the other hand maybe a U turn by Turkey.

Or a ploy since Turkey has no confidence in the success of the current talks, expecting them to fail !

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:32

Hmmm, reminds me of that other famous statement - Peace in our Time! Britain is not at war with Germany.



There are many more such statements reported in the newspapers but after all it is news no matter who said it and when.



May happen, may not - who can say?

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 18:46

Indicative though that this is treated by the Famagusta Gazette as a minor back page article. They clearly can't see any positive (to them) political angle in it.

dublinderm


Joined: 26/09/2009
Posts: 538

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 19:47

Hi,



This proposal was first announced as a "Confidence Building Measure" between Denktas and Clerides in 1997, and 1998, and 1999.....get the picture???



Believe it when you see it!!



DD

Jetski


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 584

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 19:56

What on earth will be the point in handing back a pile of rubble? None of the buildings will be viable having been unmaintained for all this time. Concrete cancer, water ingression and erosion have all taken their toll. The whole place will need to be flattened and started again. Are RoC in a financial position to do that? Dashak.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 21:41

Oh my god."what on earth will be the point in handing back a pile of rubble"posts Jetski in mess 13.Time to think outside the box i think Jetski me old fruit.Of course it needs to be flattened,its been stood there since 1974,rotting away.



Before the intervention of 1974,Varosha was a holiday spot for the rich and famous,fantastic beach,superb hotels,etc.If it where to be flattened and re-built,and returned to its former glory,then you could bet your bottom dollar that the place would once again be crawling with tourists.People that would spend millions,in the area.



Whatever it costs to flatten and re-build,would be payed back surprisingly quickly.Imagine how many jobs it would create,in the area.The re-building of Varosha,would be just the shot in the arm that the area needs.And strangely enough,it could bring the Greek Cypriots,and the Turkish Cypriots together.



As to who it belongs to in the first place,well thats something that desrves another post.There are lots of mind ga

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
18/08/2011 21:45

games going on at the moment.Lots of behind the scenes meetings.I personally dont have a clue how much creedence this story has.But what if the Greek Cyps shared the drilling for gas with the Turk Cyps and Turkey handed back Varosha.Surely it would be game on wouldnt it.Tme for another dream maybe,



Grey.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 19:55

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2011/11-08-18.tcpr.html#05



Anyone marching on Sunday,



Grey.

silentbutdim


Joined: 07/09/2010
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
19/08/2011 23:29

Wont never happen

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
20/08/2011 09:52

I can never understand why people get all excited and nostalgic about Varosha and what it was. I've seen lots of pictures and little videos. Maybe in the sixties it seemed a good idea. All I see is a lot of concrete boxes standing too close to a not very wide beach throwing shadows over it. A lot of rich people got a 'seaview apartment', but the rest looked crap, nothing green or interesting. This would be the last place for me to have a holiday, even then. I hope if they ever redevelop it, that it will look quite different.

greylag


Joined: 08/04/2009
Posts: 1110

Message Posted:
21/08/2011 23:48

It could re-unite the island,if it were re-opened Dippers.Your post astounds me,



Grey.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 01:24

grey,



re-unite, and to what end?



the gc's want their "homes" back but their rule was not universally appreciated by the tc's



if you want the island to function as one single state please explain how that will help you



...please note i am not necessarily suggesting it would be either a "good" or a "bad" thing

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3533

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 01:28

Msg15, interesting point

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 02:08

Dippers is quite correct - it was a yank style eyesore !!

islandgirl


Joined: 12/09/2009
Posts: 302

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 07:55

I think it would be good if they "restored" or at least made safe a reasonable sized section of it as a museum/tourist attraction perhaps also in Lefkosa as a testament to the stupidity of conflict and intolerance.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
22/08/2011 11:24

a problem with changes to the status of varosha...in exchange for this that or whatever

could be interpreted as weakness by one side or the other, a no-no in the middle east



"sad" for some but...



and the republic of "cyprus" must come up with a better offer than eu control of famagusta



it is not only a question of face,

the gas exploration charade, will I predict end with angry confrontations at sea but both the

protagonists exploring their "own" blocks of undersea real estate, the partition of the island

as it were extending outwards from the coasts



I continue to be amazed at the naiivity of some contributors:

the roc wants its "lost" territories back, for which they feel they have a natural right anyway,

but therefore are unwilling to offer what any may call a realistic compromise proposal



that's why some of their supporters occupy large swathes of cyberspace chipping away at

the confidence of the dwindling uk ex-pat property market instead

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 09:33

Grey, mess 19



My friend's brother works there and he assured me that all the buildings are now beyond redemption.

Why does my post astound you? I re-watched the video and I still think the same, too much ugly Concrete

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 11:20

Varosha looks like a typically badly built Cypriot version of Benidorm....Ugly as sin...

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 13:45

andre514.....You're so right. And of course Varosha is under Turkish control not Turkish Cypriot so they have the final say. Which Erdogan has, saying it's now not part of any re-unification agreement.



Lets not forget that the G/C's already turned down an agreement in 2004 which would have given them Famagusta and Guzelyurt. How many chances do they want ? They just want more and more for giving nothing themselves.

russianbabe


Joined: 19/08/2011
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 14:18

""they just want more and more for giving nothing themselves""

like give what .....paphos maybe ,have they not lost alot in 74?

im not pro or con anybody ,just my thought

yes my english is perfect ,thanks to dad who is from kent

rejela


Joined: 09/02/2011
Posts: 293

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 22:02

One of the mistakes made in Cyprus before the Cyprus problem took the limelight. I think Dippersgirl is on the right track. However, many people would probably disagree. I wonder what the Evkaf people of the last centuary would think of it?

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
02/09/2011 09:27

russianbabe mess.28



The reason so many people are shouting about the GC's is because they are always shouting what they have lost and never thinking about anybody else. They are the only ones in the world that have lost their homes, family etc., apparently.

I don't want to take sides, but I hear their shouting all the time. I've never heard any of them say that they are sorry other people have lost lives and homes, TC's, Armenians etc.