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augustal


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I am absolutely appalled at the attitude of some people on this Forum in regards to jonnylees post over the charity night for a sufferer, their humanitarian qualities are Nil, I don’t believe what I have read, I am neither Christian nor Muslim or practise any religion due to what I have seen in life and what people are capable of, I believe your family is your life and your life is your family, I wonder if these ignorant people would have the same opinion if it were their family member, wife, child or mother or even there selves who was the sufferer of this hideous illness, I am a survivor of melanoma and very lucky to be here today. You should be ashamed of yourself and crawl under that rock that you came from you are the lowest of the low.



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I couldn't agree more, they are the scum of the earth.



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Agree, we all need or will need a helping hand at some point in our lives. Think of others not just your own needs right here right now.



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when I see people questioning the motives of people working for good causes and accusing them of exploiting ther situation for personal gain, it always makes me question the moral compass of the accuser more than the accused. Are they accusing because in a similar position they would exploit it?



I am sure that I am not alone so people should be careful about bandying unfounded suspicions around.





Harold



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Harold I completely agree, people accuse others because it's what they would do and how they would react . They just assume that everyone else is the same as them and judge them accordingly.



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The last 2 messages have summed it up 100%



Because this is how they think and what they would do they do not think that other decent people are prepared to give.



Thank You so much to you all for your support.



Our aim is .(God Willing ) to bring Ismail back to T.R.N.C. healthy, and to resume what we started out to do.



His New Arm.



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Johnny. Well done for all the work and effort you put into this.



augustal


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Yes lets hope and prey if you are inclined that Ismail is brought back safe & Well, the above comments have give me a calm moment as I was very annoyed indeed, but the old saying is ,,,, Evil thinkers are Evil dooers.



Al.

Thankyou.



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Agree with all above well done Johnny Lee for all you are doing to help this young lad.



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Augustal you are not far wrong about some of the plongers on this forum, Well done Johhny, and all the luck in the world to Ismail,



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Totally ignore them as I do. Seems they can't help themselves.



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Well done Johhny ,



Please ignore the negativity.



Rocking horse mentality come to mind!!



Art



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moderators??



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It is very clear that none of these people have had to deal with a child with cancer and believe me it is the most awful thing in this world. Many years ago i got invloved with a charity fundraising effort to send a little girl to America, she had a type of cancer that could not be cured and despite all our fundraising efforts she died in my arms age 7. So for all you people that are knocking Johnny please take 2 minutes to think of the answer to a question that i was asked by this little girl before she died "what is heaven like"?

Johnny keep up all your good work and lets hope that ismail returns to cyprus cancer free and happy.



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Johnny Lee.



I will donate 100 YTL tomorrow.



I cried, I had no shoes, but then I met a man who had no feet.......Omar Khyam!!



Take care Johnny Lee,



Good people are hard to find.



wynyardman



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From what I have seen nop one has knocked any one for their efforts BUT have asked they be accouintable for how and where money has gone ,



Why is this so wrong ?



augustal


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Its not the accountabillity thats clear, whats wrong is that people such as this person can say that we should donate to dogs instead of a child is unforgivable, and then they argue thier point, accountabillity is fair without a doubt, but being so non compassionate is totally wrong, maybe I am not the same person with the same values as this person but I would rather wake up as me,



cyprusLulz


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help a child every time as much as we love dogs etc pets are just that a child is a vulnerable oft neglected and wanting little human to be loved valued and nurtured .



Children are the planets future.



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Message 16,



It is the inference that they need to be accountable which suggests something maybe amiss that does the damage. Remember the damage done to SOS childrens fundraising when a certain individual went off on one?



Drop the negativity and snide remarks and support this fundraiser.



JohhnyLee


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Message 16. Once again for you. Here is my phone num.0533 843 6539.



Allso see Yunus, posting on the Fundraiser thread. Also his phone Num is on there.



He has invited you to the Aqua Park to meet him, face to face.



Many people have said they know who you are, and your other false I.D.s



Clever people have picked things up from your style of writing and spelling mistakes.



We are perfectly accountable and have been since day 1.



Also you only joined a very short time ago. So why is this of so much interest to you.



Please try to get a life away from the keyboard.



For your own and everyone elses sake.









Now back to the impotant stuff. Thank You to all the other good decent people on here. If Ismail's dad and family could come and thank you all direct, rest assured they would.



You have never seen a family so grateful for the help that so many of you have given.



Thank you wynyardman for your pledge.



TheSaints



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Lee



It was a pleasure speaking to you as it always is, unfortunately we can not get back for this event as I am on a contract in Russia.

Vinera and I hope you and all those who attend have a great day.



Regards



Mike & Vinera



blade


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So Johhny can you please just clarify the situations for people so as there is no miss understanding, as i believe that there has been in the past, possibly why some poster are negative about this issue.?



Is your fund raising thing for Ismail a registered charity or not?



I don't doubt people are just trying to help the young boy in need, but from what i have read in the past there clearly is some sort of confusion going on.



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Blade.



Is this really relevant-if it is can you please explain why?



Cheers



Art



blade


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The thread is about horrible people, people who have made horrible comments over fundraising for a very sick little boy.

Personally i don't know much about all this ,but i have heard some people gossiping ,saying they didn't feel it was all above board.

I have no interest either way on the issue but i do feel that johhny would be better to clarify the situation, especially as people are donating money. It would only be proper, to clear up the gossip and possibly get more people donating to the cause.



TheSaints



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Sometimes I fail to understand why people try to put people down when they do something out of the goodness of thier heart.



Registered charity or not it does not matter I know that every penny that gets handed over to Johnny goes right to where it is needed to pay the medical bills of Ismail.



This time it is to help get govt assistance for future treatment, we have just transfered the required 2,000 lira so the bickering can stop now.



Johnny keep up the good work and let's hope that now the Govt has the NI contribution for 1 year they will give assistance.



Regards



Mike & Vinera



blade


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Mike, i am not intending in anyway to be unkind to this cause.

I am just trying to point out what people are saying, and i do feel that Johhny has the right to reply.

If i am trying to decide to give or not to this cause, would i not have to right to ask questions before giving?



You say every penny is handed over to Ismails fund for his needs so to speak.

I think the trouble here is that in the TRNC people can raise money and not be accountable. Which has happened in the past.

So you are saying that the fund does have accounts and can account for all monies? Regardless of being registered or not.

Can i also ask do any of the organisers take any monies from the funds raised to cover their own costs? Maybe this is where the confusion is?

I am only asking the questions so you can reply and put peoples minds at rest. This would stop the on going gossip surrounding the fund.



Lilli



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Hiya Mike you really are a true Saint. love to you both x



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Blade?Firestarter

You seem to have doubts about everything and everybody, you relish the gossip and enjoy adding your own interpretation and you quite clearly don't trust people like Lee. Why is that, can't you get your head around somebody doing good for someone else without getting something out of it themselves.



Why don't you put your money where you're mouth is and stop judging people by your own standards.



Lee, keep up the good work, these people are lower than low and don't have a compassionate bone in their body.



cypgab


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Blade, if you name the people we'll get a better picture of who they are and precisely what they are saying - or is it just hearsay?



vonny


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i am shocked and saddened by some of the comments,i dont care if the charity is registered or not,all i know is without johnnie lee,little ismail would probably not be here today so if you.re suspicious of where all the money goes,then just dont donate,nobody is forcing you,but stop trying to cause problems.i think the people who have helped are wonderful giving this little boy a chance to live, do you really believe without johnnies hard work ,ismail would be with us today?good luck and all the best johnnie,and just ignore the negative comments



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Mike and Vinera, Thank you for your wonderful gesture.



Mike telephoned me late morning to say that he was so incensed with the attitude of a few posters that he wanted to do something positive, (and not the first time he has helped Ismail)



Mike and Vinera have very kindly donated the funding for the Ismails dad's NI payment. 2000 T.L. and anything left over to go towards travel etc. (Yasin has the official document from Turkey with regards to this N.I. payment)



Mike said the show must go on and tells us all to have a fantsatic day and raise lots more money for Isamils family and travel etc.



Who knows ,if the goverment come good then we may also have a bit towards his new arm. God Willing. (Inshallah).



DutchCrusader



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@ Johnny Lee: Knowing you from a small distance I* do NOT suggest any malversation. But you may remember our discussions on the terrace of Guido's, when I warned you what might happen in Northern Cyprus. People would question your expenditures.

I also suggested - when you didn't want to be involved with existing charity people - that you should form a three men/women committee to check your incoming/outgoing money.

You didn't think that necessary at the time.

Your decision - I disagreed..

The question by cyprusLultz (nigel Watson) is the bad result.

▶ WHY don't you publish regularly the incoming/outgoing money? It would save you all the insinuating posts on C44.

Again: I do NOT suggest any malversation.

But I really think you are doing yourself a very bad favour.

Life is not about nice people - it's about book keeping if money is involved.

* I was a contributor within my financial possibilities, so I think I have the right to post in this thread.



wynyardman



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JohnnyLee,



Could you please post the bank account details for Ishmail.



Thank you



JohhnyLee


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Han,s



It was not that I did not want to be involved with the Charity. They wanted to take all of Ismails money when he ws diagnosed with cancer,



The family were dumped in Turkey with nothing, People had given that money for Ismail.



I had already paid my dues to the Charity concerned and raised them several thousand TL on top.



My job was to try to save his life now.



Books have always been kept.



We have also had to help the family direct, I was warned that this could carry a tax burden for Ismails dad.



A lot of the money given to us has been , with strict instructions, to use for Ismails family as you wish.



I have explained until I am blue in the face . We have all available medical bills up to date.



Approx one month ago they were all shown to our Cyprus Today reporter, so that she could see what Ismail had been through.



I have an event to plan and money to raise.



Also Jan and I have our own life .



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Here they are wynyardman and thank you.



ACC, Name . Ismail's Appeal, ACC Num 40079324 Sort Code, 40-10-39 HSBC.



Hope to meet you sometime.



Regards Lee



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@ msg 34, JohnnyLee: (...) Books have always been kept. (...)

▶ Maybe I didn't explain myself in proper English. I'll try again. THE (YOUR) PROBLEM is that from the start no-one has ever read how you spend/spent the incoming money.

And that is the BASIC PR of collecting money for a good cause (like Ismail's). We have all read that you spend money for this and for that.

I'm sorry to tell you the truth (it may be your advantage): contributors have the right (YOUR obligation) to know how their money was/is spent.

Why can't or don't you want to see this?!



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JohnnyLee,



Thank you



Keep up the good work.



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Keep up the good work Lee , for once I agree with DC.....Look what happened to Band Aid...Keep close tabs on the Monies..All the very best..















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@ msg 38: (...) Keep up the good work Lee (...)

▶ Indeed! No doubt about Lee & Jan's good work. But, Johnny Lee & Jan, WHY not protect yourselves against the people who'd like you to fall down?

They are out there.

JohnnyLee - As long as I remember in TRNC there have been problems with "good causes". I've always advised: be open with the incoming/outgoing money - TELL people what happens/happened with their money.



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Books or no books we trust Johnny implicitly on this and have no problems with making donations and we are not the only ones.



Johnny it was our pleasure and be assured you will have our continued support keep up the good work.



Mike & Vinera



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@ msg 40, The Saints: (...) Books or no books we trust Johnny implicitly on this (...)



▶ That is not the point. I made that clear in previous posts.

> WHY < don't we get in Cyprus Today or on one or more of the bulletin boards an overview of HOW MUCH money was collected and HOW the money was spent.

Not a difficult question, is it?



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DC



Not a difficult question at all but reading msg 34 there are books and they were shown to a reporter from CT, my comment may not be the/your point but it is mine and just as you have the right to have your say I also have the right to have my say and make MY point.



"Books or no books we trust Johnny implicitly on this and have no problems with making donations and we are not the only ones"



If individuals are so obsessed with seeing the books call Johnny he published his number he will show you them personally and give you a full explanation they do not need to be published but then that is MY opinion.



Nothing has changed on this board there is always the handful usually the same people in various guises who try to cause hostile debate get threads closed or belittle people for doing good.



How about putting the same amount of effort into helping Johnny with the fund raising.



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▶ That is not the point



▶ We trust Johnny implicitly on this. Would you like to seethe screen shots of the hunderds of posters said the same about Garry Robb 6 years ago ?



▶ No one is questioning the Lee & Jan's good work.



▶ When using other peoples money it is prudent not only to be straight open and above board



▶ BUT TO BE SEEN straight open and above board ▶ Keep up the good work Lee & Jan



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Jonnylee



I am so sorry I started this post, it has totally gone off track, all these people are with you, you get the odd winger and accountant for the Gods, just forget them and continue with the good work, anyway theres been alot of people reading so at least we have made them aware, I cant wait to sing for everyboby at the gathering and I would imagine I speak for all entertainers, and if the wingers want to know where all my money went, they can see my books if they want, it was to the tax man in England, so they can have the name of the investigator there as I would rather these nutters do his head in than yours, He! He!



see you soon, keep your chin up!



Al August Jnr.



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@ msg 42, TheSaints: I do not question your right to write what you want.

But you are now selling easy words, where I want to stick to facts.



> WHY < don't we get in Cyprus Today or on one or more of the bulletin boards an overview of HOW MUCH money was collected and HOW the money was spent?



I'm not interested to know that a reporter from Cyprus Today saw the books. If so, it should have been published.

JohnnyLee should do himself a huge favour by being "open" to everyone who donated.



P.S. You may not remember from the last eight years - but I do - how good causes turned against the organisers. Because they didn't keep the people who donated money informed.



THAT is why I joined this thread.



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Without the bad, how would we recognise the good?



I trust Johnny Lee to act in the best interests of Ismail. Employing accountants to keep track of every penny donated could prove expensive. If you don't have faith in JL after all his efforts, then do as your conscience dictates. I for one don't feel any ill will to those that stand on principle.



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Why should Lee have to prove his honesty, those who question him have most likely not contributed anyway, they are just low life and should be ignored.

Don't feel pressured Lee, you are worth far more to this community than them because you care about others.



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msg46 Well said, in my opinion JL's integrity is beyond reproach ..I only wish had his seemingly boundless Energy Keep going Lee ....



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@ msg 47, hattikins: (...) those who question him have most likely not contributed anyway, they are just low life and should be ignored. (...)

▶ I don't question JohnnyLee AND I have donated in the very early days.

I only asked a question:

> WHY < don't we get in Cyprus Today or on one or more of the bulletin boards an overview of HOW MUCH money was collected and HOW the money was spent?

I'd like to add: or via personal email.



I've seen several charity disasters for the very reason mentioned in previous posts in this thread. I wouldn't like to have to tell JohnnyLee one day "I've told you so".

The future will tell - I've said in this thread what I thought was honest and gave a honest advise (again) to JohnnyLee.



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This is not a question of distrust or exploitation, being negative or any other insulting words that you throw at those with whom you disagree. I don't doubt any-ones integrity who are involved in this charity or others to which I contribute. I think J L is doing great things for this boy and family.



However............any organisation whether a company, club or charity that distributes funds on behalf of contributors should be prepared to inform them how that money has been spent. In other words be accountable....... Just as I am for others sharing electric power on my site or the BRS for example. I keep accounts and they can be inspected by the parties involved should they wish.



For goodness sake get off your high horses and be adult, balanced and realistic regarding accountability.



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Message 47 they said that about Gary Robb 6x m and others were banned for waring about him , And it involved a lot more cash.



I repeat ▶ Keep up the good work Lee & Jan BUT ▶ When using other peoples money it is prudent not only to be straight open and above board



AGAIN for those who choose to ignore read my words ▶ No one is questioning the Lee & Jan's good work.



BUT



▶ When using other peoples money it is prudent not only to be straight open and above board .



No need for an accountant but a treasurer who could independently confirm all is above board I am surprised this has never been suggested



OR has it and the idea rejected ?



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Oh dear, Oh dear, Oh dear.



Are your egos so big, that you have to argue the point?



Get your cheque books out, and give the little fellow, A CHANCE.



You wonder why people are leaving Cyprus 44 in droves?



wynyardman,....... in the frozen North of England.......so was The Saints...makes you wonder, doesn't it?



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Good post message 1



Wyn very well said too.



Lee,Jan and everyone who are interested keep up the good work. Yes good people are hard to find and it seems so on here very sad indeed.





Spider,X



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Han,s I really don't understand you sometimes,...



Your views on this thread seem to be totally different to the one about the "Bertie" saga ?

You vehemently defended the accused on that thread on this and another forum but question Johnny Lee on this thread for what appears to be a simular situation.



Could you please explain.





Johnny Lee,... I will donate when over there next month keep up the good work.



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Had it explained to me today how difficult it is to become a 'registered charity' in T.R.N.C. Apparently they make you jump through hoops, charge tax etc etc Lee & Jan have put their lives on hold to help Ismail. I love the way some posters are going on about 'other people's money' surely once donated, it becomes Ismail's money! If you don't like it - don't give! I'm sure Lee posted a breakdown on here not so long ago of money raised & expenses incurred.

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK LEE & JAN! Ignore the negative pessimists! They've nothing better to do than spread poison & negativity!

Much love & admiration

Maggie x



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It is amazing that two of those asking for accounts are both taking money for services provided and neither are registered with the tax office, you should not point a finger at someone as there will always be four pointing back at you. One even had folks providing help and assistance freely after a car accident and yet when such folks want to help a child with cancer they then crawl from under a stone with a halo over their heads. I suggest you crawl back under and keep your heads down.



Lee don't worry about these individuals what goes around comes around and compared to these two you are more than squeaky clean.



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@ msg 54, Turtle: (...) question Johnny Lee on this thread for what appears to be a simular situation. (...)



▶ "Bertie": I miss the analogy. I DID NOT and DO NOT accuse JohnnyLee of anything. Read my posts above (for the first time or again). I DID NOT and DO NOT question JohnnyLee's integrity.

I several posts above people WANT to misunderstand.

I only asked a question.

If nobody is interested in the question and the answer: fine. Forget it.

P.S. I donated to the cause and gave Internet publicity to JohnnyLee long before many of the current posters had even heard about him and Ismail.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

The thread is all yours.



blade


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20/08/2011 11:12

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hattikins, insulting people is against board rules i believe.



I only tried to point out that people were unhappy that there was not more openness regarding the funds for Ismail. I don't know Johhny, i am not questioning his honest. I am pointing out that there is gossip and it would be best to address that gossip. Nothing more nothing less. Doing so may help in raising more funds!



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Hans, I have read your posts and fully understand them and in a way agree with them however your questioning of the way the fund is administered is in stark contrast to your questioning of the "Bertie Saga" and I merely tried to understand your stance on this.



Sorry for bringing this up Hans but simply don't understand you veiwpoints and I would have thought your views would be the same for both people but obviously not.



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20/08/2011 12:32

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Blade,



Just rise above the gossip and get on with your life or help this poor family.



Its as simple as that.



Art



Blackpoolfan


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20/08/2011 22:09

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Sad very Sad Grown men bickering like children!!!!



Johnny Lee Never met you Sir i am over next month and put me down for 100tl and good luck with the fund raising i wish you well and keep up the good work.



To all you lot moaning on about ledgers, and Audits either put your hands in your pockets or shove it in your mouth and give it a rest.



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Blackpoolfan,



And I will second that!



wynyardman



sienna


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why doesnt this bickering childish thread get closed and let Johnny get on with his fundraising.... and whats it all about...



a CHILD that needs help,



what is it NOT about those that want their name in lights - havent you got your own forum to do that or is noone playing with you and your stupid rules so you come on her stirring it all up



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This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.



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