North Cyprus Recognition

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 14:17

As you all are probably aware the UK government has set up a site for petitions. If 100,000 people sign a petition it may be discussed in Parliament. I have set up such a petition re the recognition of the TRNC and it should be on the site in about seven days. I am not expecting much but any forward move is better than none, I would think?

I suppose someone will say "not in a minefield" but never mind eh!





Site

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/index.html

cybel


Joined: 05/07/2010
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 17:12

Tonyta there is currently an e-petition already running on the Uk government site, to end the Isolation of the Turkish

Cypriots.



Yours may be rejected because of this. To vote for this e-petition follow the following link, we only need 99,917 more votes to get it raised in the house to be voted on. If we all get behind it who knows.



http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions?order=desc&page=20&sort=count&state=open

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 17:13

Anthony Wirral Thompson has one also

to allow smoking

BeeKeeper


Joined: 29/09/2009
Posts: 137

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 17:37

Actually the link for this petitition is http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/12374



If everyone on here (100 people?) sent it to 10 of their friends, who each signed and sent to 10 of their friends, who each signed and sent to 10 of their friends, we actually would get to 100,000.

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 21:28

Hi Cybel



Did look before putting mine forward. i have now signed the first petition.



Hi beekeeper, pyramid selling works, maybe pyramid petitions can also work.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
24/08/2011 21:53

I have over the years wrote to my MP both when Labour and now that the Tories are in and the response has always been the same from both parties ,; The British Govenment are in full support of a negotiated settlement under the guidance of the UN.



No balls no idea and they could not care less.





All the best with the petitions

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
25/08/2011 09:30

Turtle, re 6



if you ask many Cypriots ( be it TC / GC) they will point out that the 'help' they've had from outside is the main problem...



These UN brokered talks *are* that chance..

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
25/08/2011 14:00

Petition accepted, should not be a problem signing two at the same time.



: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14563

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
25/08/2011 14:12

Mark, you believe what you like.



Some of us think that the EU is not the answer to all the problems in the world, EU intervention in a lot of cases causes more issues than good.

Its unelected and unaccountable and quite frankly unacceptable.



"These UN brokered talks *are* that chance.." Poppycock, what progress has been made so far ?

TopTen


Joined: 15/04/2009
Posts: 1246

Message Posted:
25/08/2011 14:36

just signed up for it though I tried doing it twice ( one each) but it wouldn't let me - it uses your email - will tell others about it.

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
25/08/2011 15:40

I just signed it no problem.

LondonCypriot


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 426

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 03:06

This petition needs more support. First of all an translated version into the Turkish language would be of great help as people from Turkey and North Cyprus would be able to read it. We need to promote this petition.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 08:44

Turtle



re msg 9



re the EU:



>>Its unelected <<



MEPs ?



>> unaccountable <<



Are you referring to the financial accounts as opposed to the actual conduct of the staff?





>>and quite frankly unacceptable. <<



YOUR opinion.. not 'fact' ..!



Turtle.. the EU has so many flaws, but it's members haven't gone to war - THAT- to me - is a priceless 'cost' to pay. A Turkey, Greece and Cyprus ( in whatever form Cypriots might agree) could ultimately 'negate' their nationalistic fears ( a but like the UK / Ireland )







The Talks? .. I'd rather hear nothing about their progress, that 'leaks' from one side of the negotiators to 'torpedo' the chances of a break through...

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 14:12

The EU has also given quiet a large amount of funding to the TRNC in recent times.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 15:12

Why would that be firestarter,.... guilt perhaps !

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 15:30

Phil "Anthony Wirral Thompson has one also to allow smoking"

Just proves what a nonce he is....

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 17:57

I would sooner sign Anthony Worral Thompson's petition than sign anything recognising the TRNC to be anything except a haven for crooked lawyers and property developers.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 18:11

mark message 7:



"...many cypriots...point out....the "help" they've had from outside is the main problem"



and would you include in this your own advice, explanations: and campaigning in 2004?

Chef99


Joined: 21/08/2011
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 18:37

see http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/72070.asp recognition as bandit country perhaps

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 22:25

Do you think that the people "running" the TRNC, along with their relatives, really want to be recognised by the rest of the world?

So having to rule by "the rules"

Big fish in little ponds seldom like change.

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 22:32

with the greatest of respect for this petition, and yes, I did sign it, looking at the results of the 'judge' regarding the kulastiz 5case, why should anyone in their right mind recognise this disgraceful excuse for a government past and present. Let them wallow in the mire they have created. If I could remove today my name from this petition and many others I have signed that have gone nowhere I would. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, DO YOU THINK THE OUTSIDE WORLD DO NOT SEE, WHY SHOULD THEY RECOGNISE THIS PSEUDO STATE?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 22:32

Totally agree denizen, it may well stop the gravy train.



Message 17 and 19. My sentiments also. I will recognise them only for what they are!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 22:40

I totally agree with natalie and denizen! except I have NOT signed it! and at the moment have no intentions of signing!

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 23:20

I have signed the petition and agree with others sentiments at the moment regarding the K5 situation.

I am in the same boat as my builder has not paid the loan to his bank for a mortgage that he ook out in 2003!! Yet I was able to pay my Stamp Duty and bing later the Lawyer informed me there was an encumbrunce on property!

Allegedly my Builder has spent over 3 years in talks with his Bank- must be wearing out his shoe leather!!

So any Judge that tries to say that we have not done anything sooner needs to look at ALL THE FACTS and copies of transcripts from both the Lawyer and Builder which I can print out!



I have taken a step of writing to the Turkish Ambassador in Lebanon and telling him the truth about whats happening here, I hope he may pass it on so are hopeful.



The petition is a good thing as may wake Britain up, as all pressure is needed otherwise everybody deeds or not will eventually loose their properties and just think about it, it is not a frightener but maybe reali

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 23:50

RE msg 1, Tonyta: (...) the UK government has set up a site for petitions. If 100,000 people sign a petition it may be discussed in Parliament. (...)



▶ With respect for your good intentions - are we living on the same planet..?! Why do you think a "discussion" in the "UK Parliament" could change anything? The UK has lost all credibility (as a "guarantor") long ago. Who would listen to the Parliament of this failed guarantor now?!

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
26/08/2011 23:58

ang1706



Writing to any Turkish Ambassador will NOT get you anywhere, he may pass is on? and pass it on? and pass it on................ To who? an utter and complete waste of time! (believe me I know)



As for Stamp Duty??????



Britain has woken up, and understands, but will do nothing! There are many of us in the same situation! they will say the only conclusion is ECHR!



The Petition will go no-where, certainly in the UK they know exactly what the TRNC Government stand for! and no-one with any credibility should be asking for the UK to accept any recognition of the TRNC under the present state of affairs!



I hope your Judge is more sympathetic than K5's! or perhaps your builder and his bank will manage to work something out!



Good Luck!

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 02:02

............wake up people..........britain is one of the countries for the mess that cyprus is in today.Talk about playing the 2 against one another.........including it's own people!!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
27/08/2011 04:55

How many have signed so far ?

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 12:50

A sum total of 13 people have signed this petition so far, eleven months to go.



Message 25, I appreciate your comments DC, but planet earth is sufficient for me at this time.



Always believed in the saying "Mighty Oaks from little acorns grow" As doing nothing usualy results in nothing happening, just thought to try something.



Yorg, do not fully accept your statement, I know we british (politicians,civil servants) have a lot to answer for in the way we have left some of our previous protectorates, but those same people have also been screwing the masses at home over the past century.

Chef99


Joined: 21/08/2011
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 13:11

under no circumstances should trnc be recognise as long as the racism and corruption continues at the government.



racism and corruption are endemic within all government departments.

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 13:17

msg 30



Read your comment back to yourself and see if you think it makes sense....

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 13:28

msg 25 & 27



My thoughts exactly!! I could'nt agree more, the UK has failed completely as a guarantor so there is absolutely no point in wasting time with petitions etc....



The Kingdom United IS mainly responsible for the mess Cyprus is in today. They play a good game and most of the time they get the desired result, some of you people must try to understand that this is the way it has to be, there will never be a change for the better in northern Cyprus !!

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 14:29

Despite the ongoing dramas with Construction Industry I still support the Recognition and cessation of all embargoes!!



I hope that the majority of Turkish Cypriots will see that the Greedy Few are ruining for this wonderful Country!

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 16:52

Recognition is a step too far at the moment. First should come the breakdown of the talks or another NO in a referendum by the G/C's.

Then direct trade, acceptance of ports of entry Ercan and Famagusta plus a new international airport.

All in conjunction with funding from the EU and UN.



The petition for ending the isolation.... ( http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/end-the-isolation-of-turkish-cyrpiots.html) is a better bet at the moment.



Bye the Bye...It's the isolation of the TRNC which encourages non compliance with good practice by the corrupt..... No competition or necessity to adopt international standards

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 17:05

For those UK knockers.........The UK gave Cyprus a perfectly good constitution. It's Cypriots and Greece that messed up.

yorg............As long as the T/C's continue to blame others for the problems then they won't be solved. Take responsibiliy for your own mistakes !

As for Guarantorship. Yes Callaghan and the socialists have something to answer for in 1974, having been persuaded by the USA not to risk losing the SBA's. Politicians are my least favourite people. That applies to most countries.



As usual DC takes another opportunity to show his anti-Britishness. So boering !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 17:21

@ msg 35, Geejay: (...) As usual DC takes another opportunity to show his anti-Britishness. (...)



▶ Geejay, you belong to a small group of people on this board who think that one should close his eyes and cheer the UK daily. You don't debate or give another opinion or facts and figures - you celebrate your xenophobic feelings. But hey, that's the mentality of all narrow-minded nationalists with blinders.

It's about time you realise that the UK is just another country in this world and not above positive or negative criticism - just like all other countries.

Your continued moaning about my alleged "anti-Britishness" says more about you than about me.

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 17:34

Just to restore the original thread subject - North Cyprus IS ALREADY recognised - unfortunately for all the WRONG reasons that can be categorised as 'unofficial recognition'.



'Official recognition' will require a complete change of 'image'!



However, having suggested that, how the Hell did RoC get into the EU with its 'rotten to the core' reputation?

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 17:37

msg 35



So what mistake have the TC's made that they now need to take responsibility for?? Please spill the beans...



Although I totally agree with your last comments in msg 34 which basically sums it all up however being far from anti british myself I still feel that the UK has a great deal to do with build up towards the separation of Cyprus and as a guarantor I do not see them doing anything in favour of Northern Cyprus because it simply is'nt in their interest to.



Do you actually believe that the TC's are or ever have been in a position to make desicions about their homeland ??



Bearing in mind there are over 400,000 TC's outside of Northern Cyprus (majority of whom are in the UK) they have been campaigning for the recognition of Northern Cyprus for over 30 years and have not achieved a single thing....

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 17:45

DC....Your pot calling the my kettle black.....How very Greek Cypriot.

You have demonstrated time and time again your racist attitude to Britain. You just can't forgoe the opportunity to have knock !

As for "continued moaning about my alleged "anti-Britishness" says more about you than about me." (whatever that means)....you don't know anything about me.

Except this.....I will not meekly accept your prejudiced comments without some reply.



Why should I accept your detrimental remarks about my birthplace. I don't go on about how bad the Netherlands and it's people are. It's only your insecurity and envy that you are showing.

lagosboy


Joined: 08/08/2011
Posts: 132

Message Posted:
29/08/2011 17:48

much ado about northing

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 02:26

400,000 t/c s out of Cyprus ?

how is that ?

how many left in Cyprus ?

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 03:13

phil,



some emigration figures can be surprising:



it is said 40 million americans consider themselves of irish descent

yet ireland only has 4 million people



there are hundreds of thousands of cypriots overseas, but the real

problem with turkish emigration to north cyprus for your lot is you

will never again be in a position to rule the whole island, will you?



my condolences

Stonehousepub


Joined: 21/05/2009
Posts: 755

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 17:21

msg 41



There are approximately 280,000 TC's in the uk and over 100,000 TC's in Austrailia, canada and the USA....



I would estimate that there are less than 75,000 TC's in Northern Cyprus.... Shocking is'nt it ??



msg 42



Andre TC's will never be in a position to rule the Turkish occupied part of the island let alone the whole island.. Last year one of the local papers estimated that in 2009/10 approx 200 families had actually emigrated to the South of Cyprus.... food for thought



Getting back on topic. In my opinion petitions for the recognition of Northern Cyprus are a waste of time especially in the UK, as DC has rightly stated..... THE UK HAS FAILED AS A 'GUARATOR'

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 18:13

stonehousepub msg. 42,





this is drifting off topic but how can you be shocked?

numbers of poor gc's emigrated in the 1950's and 1960's judging by parts of north london,

then south cyprus had a massive boom based on cheap credit ...that "may" end in bankruptcy



there isn't much economic opportunity in north cyprus, mostly to do with the isolations

and the worldwide credit crunch



but two comments;



firstly I use the word "inevitable" rather than "regrettable" in terms of the vast shift

in north cyprus' population since 1974

to suggest otherwise suggests a certain patronising attitude on behalf of mainly british e-pats

let alone the frustration of the original tc's



it might be thought that indirectly pushing tc's to emigrate via the blockade runs counter

to hopes of a compromise by the greek cypriots (let alone their apologists on this forum),

but I argue there is no contradiction, what they really want is the good ole' days back again



...bless 'em

denizen



Joined: 21/08/2009
Posts: 388

Message Posted:
30/08/2011 19:17

msg 35...............As usual DC takes another opportunity to show his anti-Britishness. So boering !...



doesn't make him that wide of the mark though!