new born kangal puppies

teresase


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Message Posted:
04/09/2011 20:41

For sale Kangal & Akbash puppies



0533 8845348

teresase


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Posts: 369

Message Posted:
05/09/2011 15:26

back to top pls

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
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Message Posted:
05/09/2011 15:28

Hmmm, just what the island needs.

BoTanica


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Posts: 714

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 11:42

Lovely dogs, big gentle giants!

Mr Vince


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Posts: 696

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 14:12

Kangal and Akbash puppies. Wonderful.



I have just looked these breeds up on the Dog Breed Information Centre.



Kangal;- Aggressive to other dogs. Difficult to train. Not good with children. Not to be kept in apartments. Does not recognize property boundaries and will wander. Wants to be pack leader. Barks readily and shows aggression to strangers.



Akbash- Aggressive. Needs almost constant excercise. Primitive guard dog who need owners who understand dogs. Not good with young children



Just what this place needs.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 14:29

msg5



Feel free to pop over and meet our Arnie,a male kangal.Our othe 3 lapdogs are more aggresive then him.



pets are no different then children.It's how you raise them..........rest is a s**t talk.



I have also met the mentioned dogs too.Eddie(male) and Sasha are also beautiful dogs.





what the place doesnt need is the existing horrible people which can be easily judged by these dogs.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 15:33

Yorg,

My thougths being a big dog owner is that we train and control our dogs much better then small dog owners. We have to because if something goes wrong we always get the blame regardless.

The trouble with the Kangal is that people get that sweet puppy and fail to remember it needs super amounts of exercise and training. It is not suitable to be locked in a back yard , in a villa enviroment. I have no dislike for the breed but do think they need serious owners.

In the last say 6 months i have had three customers who's neighbours kangals has attacked their dogs. This is why they are getting a bad reputation. You can have the bad dog in any breed but its how you deal with it that counts.

A kangal as any large breed is a big commitment, and you should only every take on a dog if you are ready for that.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 16:02

Yorgozlu msg 6



I am not a dog hater. I hate irresponsible dog owners who will not, or can not take care of their animals.



I did not know what a Kangal or Akbash dog was like, so I looked them up and then shared this information on this board. I do not think that what I wrote was s**t talk, nor do I think that I am an existing horrible person.



The fact is that these dogs have the temprement to be aggressive and therefore dangerous. This is not my opinion but an expert's opinion of the breed.



THESE AGRESSIVE DOGS WILL WANDER, FORM PACKS AND ARE DANGEROUS. This is not s**t talk but the opinion of an expert.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 16:09

Lets hope the new owners understand and are responsible owners.









Spider,X

Mr Vince


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Message Posted:
07/09/2011 16:20

Spider. I wish I had your optimism.



The likelyhood is that these dogs will be locked in a 2m x 3m cage in someone's garden. They will howl and bark all day and all night. They will escape and end up prowling about ripping rubbish bags and strewing litter everywhere. And they will end up being killed.



Anyone want to buy a puppy?????????

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 17:19

Maybe if they paid for them they would treat them better ! The thing is if they are not sold you can bet you bottom dollar it could well be the streets !



Again lets hope the new owners are responsible and loving ''PET OWNERS ''



And they keep it for LIFE !





Spider,X

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 17:26

The trouble with a lot of owners here (and I guess in other countries) dogs become status symbols. Some like them the smaller the better, but they can still be an awful tie. Likewise, some people like dogs the bigger the better, and Kangals can be huge sloppy munshkins. BUT the new owners will have to show them who is boss from an early age and whoever takes one on will have to have large pockets..........make no mistake, they do like their grub!!

eagleyemonkey


Joined: 21/03/2010
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 18:01

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangal_Dog



Information re. the breed of Kangal Dog

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
07/09/2011 18:45

blade



I dont thınk you are sayıng anythıng much dıfferent then my commentsç

How we raıse them ıs how they behave.In turkey these dogs bred as guard dogs,sheppard dogs,which is why they are described as aggresive.Bring one home as a puppy and raise it under normal,different environment and see the difference.



mr.vince

I too hate the irresponsible dog owners,but thats not the dogs fault.

But,above all,I've not seen a visious dog in Cyprus,yet.It's all down to us so called human beings behaviour.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 19:30

They prefer large areas and may become discontent and exhibit problem behaviors, like escaping or being destructive, if relegated to a pen or small yard. Akbash dogs require tall secure fencing for best containment. The Akbash is not a dog for everyone.







Kangal dogs are now becoming popular in underground-illegal dog fights. In such circumstances, violent characteristics observed are brought out



Exerts from link posted message 13.



Would any sane person buy one of these dogs?



Yorgozlu message 14. Animals have been bred to exhibit certain characteristics. If a dog is bred to be aggressive, then that IS the dog. Not its owners. There are uncontrollable dogs, bred for that purpose and bought by those who identify with that dogs viciousness. I have met vicious dogs. They are bred and born vicious. They can never be trusted despite proper training. It is instinctive.

eagleyemonkey


Joined: 21/03/2010
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 19:48

Due to their overwhelming strength, size and obedient temperament, Kangal dogs are now becoming popular in underground-illegal dog fights. In such circumstances, violent characteristics observed are brought out due to the dog's treatment by its owner; in most cases, these are quite degrading.





I think this is the exact exert you refer to.

Why would any sane person do this to a dog.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 20:34

Kangols are beautiful dogs but they were bred to protect the flocks against wolves - so they have to be big and very very strong. Properly handled they can be gentle giants I - I knew one that was and it was an wonderful animal- but mishandled until they become aggressive they can be dangerous..



Only people who can prove they know how to handle them (along with other large strong breeds) and are able to give them the space and excercise they need (as well having money for food and patience to groom them) should be allowed to own them.



The problem with uncontrolled breeding and sale is they will be bought for the wrong purposes and be abandoned and become part of a pack.





Yorgozlu: No doubt your dogs and properly trained and handled. What concerns me (and I think most people here)is those puppies that will be bought because they are so cute, and then mishandled or abandoned when the idiots who bought them cant cope with them.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
07/09/2011 22:30

msg 15,16



thats fair enough,and I agree,the rest is down to the individual and the person selling them.What I am insisting on is,there is no such thing as bad animal,pet but there are bad owners.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 00:01

I agree in general, but dogs, like humans, do have different characters and some are easier to train than others.



With a small amenable breed there is a chance that with a well meaning, but inexperienced owner , the owner will learn with the dog at at worse you will get a spoilt dog that is a bit of a nuisance. But if breeds like Kangols and Rotweilers get into inexperienced hands, or worse bought for bad purposes, a great deal of damage can be done both by and to the dog. Indiscrimate importing and breeding of these types to be sold to anyone who has enough money to buy them has to be a cause for concern in an Island (and I say that rather than "country" deliberately) that already has a serious stray problem.

BoTanica


Joined: 22/12/2009
Posts: 714

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 10:06

http://www.greatdogsite.com/breeds/details/Akbash_Dog/: section from this page:

Trained Akbash Dogs make good companions, as long as they receive constant socialization from their families. They are natural guard dogs and form strong bonds with the people and livestock they protect. Akbash Dogs can be especially good with infants because of their maternal instincts, and they won’t hesitate to risk their lives in order to protect their families and/or livestock.

BoTanica


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Posts: 714

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 10:08

It is very important to see both parents so you can judge temperament. Teresa's pups are raised with both parents and are socialised from day one, and she is very strict on who they go to. My akbash girl is wonderful, and when younger was often at the shop with me. She has met lots of customers who absolutely adored her, and also all the staff and Sibel at pet cross. Yorgozlu is right - its how they are raised by the owners.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 16:57

If I remember this same poster,posted pups on here last year !





How many times can some of these dogs over here keep going,we see one all the time boobs dragging on the ground poor love and then yet another litter..





Spider,X

Tango1


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Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 22:34

Spider, they can keep going until quite frankly they die of exhaustion or of some internal damage. These so called "breeders" don't care a dam and most have no respect for their animals. The females are used as money making machines, pure and simple.



T1

rowan


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
08/09/2011 22:45

i am sorry but cannot understand why anyone would want to breed like this on this island already over-run with poor unwanted animals

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
08/09/2011 23:02

Nor can I, Rowan . Nor can I understand why anyone should buy a dog when there are so many beautiful animals desperate for a good home. I am afraid it is one- up-manship, but there is much more satisaction in turning a bedraggled stray into a smart, well groomed and well behaved dog - mind you I have been trying to do the well behaved bit for years with limited success!

Tango1


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Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 11:26

I was talking to a Vet this morning and she is against Kangal Akbash dogs in this country but for a different reason as discussed above. She says they were bred to live in cold countries with ice and snow. In hot countries she says many of them suffer, very often pulling out their own hair because of itching and irritation and also many suffer from ecsame (sorry about spelling). Perhaps not all of them of course.

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 11:42

msg 26 "Bred to live in COLD countries"



So was the Labrador, Husky ,Chow Chow,etc Plenty of them here .....and still they breed them..!!beggars belief.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 11:49

so are some people living in trnc whilst complaining just about everything................why they are still here is ..........beggers belief.

Tango1


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Message Posted:
09/09/2011 12:20

..........and your point is Msg.28.?

spider


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Message Posted:
09/09/2011 12:29

His point is,being a London Turk that its OK for bitches to keep breading



Or anything to make money









Spider,X

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 12:38

london?...........where is that?...................turk?.......who are they?



the point that you all are failing to register!!!!!!



You dont have to have one.However,good or bad,at least have the decency to respect the way of life here,whilst living here..................which you also do not have to.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 12:46

yorgozolu



I enjoy you views and input on here,and we all love a little jesting from time to time...



She seems to be a friend of your so maybe have a quiet word in here ear re getting the dog sorted ! or advertising the pups for sale somewhere more suitable.



Let us all please know how many forum members do buy..even better let us know if she sold all the last litter on here to Brits of 44.



I always love a few statistics



Spider,X

martinD41


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Message Posted:
09/09/2011 12:50

I would have more respect for peoples right to choose, if the peoples "respect for animals" were included in the way of life here........

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 14:42

free ride to airport for the ones dont like the way of life here,as a respect to their wishes.





spider

read my views on illegal taxi thread..........never seen Huseyin in my life.





right and wrong has no compromasing..........unles you are a brit who'd take it only the suitable way







now.............who is gonna please my need for some fresh baklawa?

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 16:59

Message 31. I have lived on the Island for nearly 20 years now, and it is news to me that breeding large long thick haired dogs, more suited to cooler climes, is part of the Cypriot way of life!



True, Kangols are Turkish, but Turkey is a large country with a varied climate.



I do agree that people who want to turn Cyprus into "little Britain by the sea" are a pain. BUT that is not the topic - we are talking about animal welfare here - cruelty, misuse and mishandling of animals is not restricted to any one race , nor , fortunately, is trying to improve their lot a racist issue.







Message 32. I would never buy a dog here. I have three, all rescued, although two could be mistaken for pedigrees , and one actually frequently has. On the other hand one is part spaniel, which is also a cold weather dog, but seems to have no problems with the heat - I do comb him regularly and clip the "feathers" which otherwise tangle with burrs. contd...

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
09/09/2011 17:02

contd.................



Grooming a large dog like a Kangol or a Husky must be hard work and time consuming - the problem is do buyers appreciate this and do they have the dedication to care for the dog properly.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 17:52

Yorg,

Its not just just about owners , they do also need the right enviroment. Plenty of land for free exercise as well as walks.

They have a history with brain tumors my vet tels me, so any unusual behaviour needs looking into asap. I don't think its any worse breed fault than with any other breed, just the size and power is an issue if your kangal gets this. Buying is the same as any other breed, you should see both mum and dad, and ask the age of parents & grandparents.



Tango, you have a very low opinion of dog breeders. Not all are cruel money makers, some actually want to improve the breed. Without them you would have so many more heireditary problems and faults. Please don't tar them with the same brush as puppy farmers. Good breeders are always looking to improve the health of the dogs and breed out of breed faults. Most Kennel clubs are working towards this as well.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 18:45

I have a friend in the TRNC, no names no pack drill, she took her German Sheppard over there, she has no A/C in her little house, I told her it was abuse, her dog just doesn't cope with all his fur in that heat. So irresponsible.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
09/09/2011 23:41

Msg. 37 you misunderstand me. I'm absolutely NOT against resposible breeding of dogs but I am against breeders "improving the breed" to the extent that they become malformed in order to satisfy potential buyers or in this case allowing females to produce a breed which apparently are not suited to this country and are sold to purchasers who might not understand what is involved in bringing the dog to adulthood and beyond.