I am now free and out of Northern Cyprus

pipebender


Joined: 22/05/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:21

I would like to say thank you to all those people how gave me support when i was thrown in jail after the accident that i was involved in.

There has been a lot of miss information given but if anyone is interested i could give the true version of what happend, needless to say that everything that i did was legal and everything those two stupid boys did was illegal.

I spent eight months in that turkish shithole and i was inocent, i was charged on evidence when they had no proof, i was blackmailed by the prossicution that if i continued to plead not guilty my case would not be heard untill Christmas but if i plead guilty i would be released immediatly.

My advocat lied to me and said he had done a deal, (Witness to this was the reporter from Cyprus Today )

He got me to plead guilty and has not spocken to me since, he was not even in court when i went to be sentanced.

I got 14 months in that prison, it was a discusting place.

Thanks again

Tony

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:24

Very sad story

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:26

Just unbeliveable !

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:41

Take this further via the UK/ECHR system. For all that, I am pleased you are free - even with your nightmare memories. Good luck buddy, you deserve it!

Mambosun


Joined: 27/05/2011
Posts: 112

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:50

A very very sad story for all concerned.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:53

Dear Tony.



Our thoughts and prayers were with you always.



Best wishes for your future. Your a very brave and strong man.





Maria and Vic. X

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:53

Message 1



You dont sound like you care that two boys have lost there lives.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 20:53

Tony,

I believe you 100%. Unfortunately the courts, civil and criminal are under pressure of too much work but that is no excuse to what they did.



The solution is to have more judges and more buildings in order to avoid endless postponements.



I wish you good luck with the rest of your life.

ismet

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:01

message 7....





No need to post such tosh....Give it a rest !







Spider X

Trotsky


Joined: 30/08/2011
Posts: 51

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:02

Recognise TRNC lift embargoes you are having a laugh NEVER in a month OF Sundays Corrupt to the core

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:09

Post deleted , an insensitive and mean post . Know the full facts first before you post , the spoken word is far different from the written word . ........ Simbas

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:14

stelee77.

You are obviously ignorant of thr facts - don't make a fool of yourself.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:15

Seems you have no idea on how often one might get down onto one's knees !



Someone walked out in front of my daughters car and she killed him..



You must be a fool to think that after anything like what has happened in situations like this people do not remember the dead...And you would never get over anything,you learn how to live with it..





Spider,!

Geolin


Joined: 04/10/2010
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:17

stelee77, you are just a troll, put a sock in it.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:19

stelee77, these kids were joy riding with no lights for god sake. Do you not think he has suffered enough, what would you be saying if these boys had killed someone through their stupidity and selfishness. Lets hope your never in that position.



Tony was not drunk, or speeding, you are totally ignorant of the facts.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:25

Might I just add also that the human brain is unable to register logical reaction in a case such as these.



And also try and remember this is about Tony putting his posting. ! Its been a very long time coming.







Spider,X

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:28

(Mess 1)



I would like to wish you the best of luck! and thank god your out of the TRNC, put the rubbish behind you, Lawyers, Judiciary, all the rubbish, and enjoy the rest of your life in a civilised Country!



Elko 2 (mess 8)



That is no excuse!

Panchocat


Joined: 29/11/2009
Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:32

steele77 what a sad comment!

The fact remains that it was a TC driver that actually ran over and killed one of the boys. He, as far as I know, was not dealt with as harshly as Tony. It was an accident for goodness sake and yet Tony has been treated as a criminal. How many of us could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time? There but by the grace of God go many of us I suspect.

Everyone is aware that two youngsters sadly lost their lives, but we are also aware that they acted illegally and irresponsibly. Where were the responsible adults who allowed this to happen? Who gave these under age boys the motor bike?

Good luck Tony, I wish you well.

Geolin


Joined: 04/10/2010
Posts: 23

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:33

Best wishes for the future Tony, I hope you can put the nightmare behind you and get on with enjoying your life.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:34

Thats not the point



boys are stupid.



Im not saying what happened to him was fair, what i am saying is there is a certain way to act as a human being when something terrible has happened.



This not just about him, think of the familys.



completely heartless, unbeleivable.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:36

So glad the nightmare is over. However this must leave some psychological scars, its just too tragic not to. Have you thought of writing a book or getting your story into the British Media? It certainly should be heard in EU courts.



Message 8

"The solution is to have more judges and more buildings in order to avoid endless postponements"



NO.......the solution is to have advocates, judges and laws that have integrity, honesty and that uphold the rights of people.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:51

You have my sympathy Tony, but is it really necessary to call the two boys who paid with their lives for their errors - stupid? Whether I was to blame or not, I would hope my compassion for the bereaved parents would stop me from committing such a statement to paper.



Good luck in the future Tony, but spare a thought for the parents whose boys who were undoubtedly in the wrong, but will not have a future.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:54

Your all still missing the point.



The whole thing is sad for everyone involed.



Im not talking about what happened im talking about the way we should act and feel as humans, a persons with no lights life is just as important as someones without.



Whos going to say how sad it is the loss of these lives,whos going to mention how the familys must feel and lay the flowers for them.



I could of been killed hundreds of times for doing stupid things when i was younger, and i no how devastated my family would be for the rest of there lives.



How can you say those stupid boys after there death without any feeling or emotion like your the only victim here.



This is my last message on this.



some of you will never understand.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:03

Tony, I tried to do more to help you while you languished in that shit-hole but Maurice your cousin asked me to back off as he said that your lawyer said that if anyone stirred up the shit on your behalf it would make the case worse for you ! I KNEW at the time your lawyer was lying and just wanted the flack to go away as HE was getting hassle for NOT DOING HIS JOB. Name and shame him please TONY !

Best of luck for the future. Anything I can do for you or Maurice , as you have both left the Islan, please let me know

Gerry Lee

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:04

The way the legal system treated Tony was a disgrace and in doing so tarnished the reputation of the TRNC and therefore also the two young men that tragically died. I'm sure Tony has relived that awful event over and over and will never forget the events of that night nor the aftermath. The families of all those involved have and will continue to suffer as a result. The way Tony was treated was not justice for him nor the young men or families of all involved.

pipebender


Joined: 22/05/2009
Posts: 19

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:15

Hi

The lawyers name is Sinan H. Semiler he realy was a very bad person, he charged an extra £1000 for a traffic expert and never even contacted one and then on top of the £5000 he was paid he tried to do us for £750 V.A.T

Thank you all once again.

My new life is in the south, lets hope luck changes.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:28

All the best for the future Tony. Sadly the blame ultimately was down to the parents/guardians of these 2 boys, they did not control their actions. they have to live with what they did not do.



I have witnessed this type of parental behaviour in the TRNC before. TC neighbours allowed their 2 young sons to have a motor scooter when they were far too young to have a licence. The youngest was stopped by the police and they escorted the boy back to his parents. the next day the boy was riding the scooter again! I suppose the attitude is if they were injured or worse "It's down to Allah's will"?

ranger5


Joined: 29/03/2011
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:09

Stelee, hope you meant it when you said this was your last message on this. Hope it is your last message, period

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:25

Steelee why dont you just do everyone a favour and do one, you know nothing of the facts and you just prove what a scumbag you really are, now get lost.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:27

Tony I wish you nothing but happiness from now on, bless you, you have suffered at the hands of totally corrupt system.

fatelady


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:28

ı read ın the papers that the two chıldren on the bıke had no helmets no lıghts no lıecence no ınsurance and the accıdent happened before the street lıghts were turned on . ıt could have been one of the other hundreds of cars that use that road and ı really do thınk that ıf tony had been a cyprıot the sentance would have been less. educatıon of the chıldrens parents and the chıldren them selves would have been a better way so thıs would never have happened ıt ıs a tragıc accıdent but the the blame was wrongley delt to the sıngle person

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:36

Nicola



if you think im wrong your not very smart,and you dont understand compassion.



You are obviously desperate to be liked,and trying real hard.



Im looking at the stats on this and im happy with what i said.



I will also wish him a good future after this sad event.



That first message made me angry for the first time ever on this forum.the fact im not a scumbag is why i reacted,i wish i could of controlled it,but im sorry its really bad.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:38

steelee I am not interested in anything you have to say, please do not respond to me again.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:44

Okay that goes both ways.



thats a relief.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:45

I'm glad you are out and away and glad your. nightmare is over Tony.I hope for you to have a peace within yourself for the rest of your life,too.



and MY CONDOLENCES TO THE BOYS FAMILY.



unfortunately there are alot of heartless people on this forum..........................

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:49

Steve you just joined in June ? maybe that why ?





Facts are facts...



These boys you could say just took a chance like walking under a bus.! When people do that they at least think about others,yet still do it.



Fact.



Spider.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:50

Yorgozlu, if the parents had looked after their children properly they would be alive today, clearly they were BAD PARENTS.



btw when Cyprus collapses because the likes of you have driven the expats away with your hatred, I am sure you will go crawling back to the UK where you were nurtured and protected.



That day is not too far away my friend.,

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:53

nicola

nobody cares what you think...................including myself.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:01

Yorgozlu not many people care what you think on this forum either lol, you are fast becoming the village idiot. You are clearly racist against all expats, when you get back to the UK you will have been gone longer than 6 months so no free benefits for you my friend, just bear that in mind for future reference.



Your hatred of expats will be your downfall, burning ones bridges springs to mind.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:06

spider



I have read every back dated thread i could,and im not talking about what happened anyway.



If you cant tell how selfish and heartless that message was i feel sorry for you.



Even in the previous threads i have read,most people are going on about how wrong the trnc is and how bad it is what has happened to tony,and hardly anyone mentioned the most important thing human life and how the family must be feeling.



I thought everylife was equal but obviously not.



I know he must of been through hell, and like i said i wish i did not screw up this thread,but i can not believe the lack of respect for human life.

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:08

pipebender



re msg 1



Thanks for posting your salutatory experience.. The whole story is a mess..



I was in an accident involving two VERY drunk lads stood in the middle of the road in thick fog.. I struck one and he died.. I had beer on my shirt.. and the Police THOUGHT I was the 'guilty party' for the first 30 mins - until they got around to breath testing me..



Luckily, this was the UK and although the family blamed ME, for a long time...until the inquest - and may be a bit after... I didn't spend any time in a cell - but IF *I 'd* been over the limit.... no matter how daft / drunk / culpable / responsible THEY were - I'd have been for the high jump....



You just never know.



As Ismet ( Elko2) says.. enjoy the rest of your life.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:09

Message 1. I am so glad your nightmare is over. All the best to you for the future.... Oh - and ignore the bad posts on here

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:15

blackbird



Are you for real,his was the bad one.



Lucky enough someone else can see how insensitive it is.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:18

mmmmmmmm I know Tony from the UK and the man has never been drunk, he most certainly would not drink and drive, I feel for you as I do for Tony in a different way but as you say you were in a democractic country and the law prevailed, there was never any question of Tony DRINKING, yet he still spent 8 months is a turkish shitehole, please do not compare your situation with his.

astro941


Joined: 22/05/2011
Posts: 193

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:25

Messaage 40



I can see nowhere that the man has posted anything direspectful about the two boys. Perhaps you are reading into the posts your emotive experiences or feelings. As for me, with respect for the families involved, did not the boys tempt fate through their actions and subsequently suffer the consequences. It is a great shame that others must now suffer for their actions. Under age people may not be culpable but the original poster, in my view certainly was not. As a hypothesis what if the poster had been killed and the two boys lived? What would have happend through the legal system then? In my view it is not good to make an emotive legal case regardless of who has died. If we do not have fair and just laws we are not much different from animals.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:26

stelee77 - -what is your connection to the two boys?

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:32

Message 40..



I feel for you spider.Please do not bother yourself..



I have felt for all involved in this terrible accident from day one.Not sure if you could understand how MUCH.



Spider,

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:37

msg 45

Do you mean,msg 1 didn't mention anything about those boys other then >everything those two stupid boys did was illegal<



I do agree Tony should have been treated better,but this is trnc,where most jumped at a chance to buy property because they are cheap and it is an unrecognised estate.As wrong as it may be,whats happened to Tony,one should not expect perfect democracy in this part of the world.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:47

When did i say he said something disrespective about the boys



I give up



at least one person understands what im saying,i think its only because of his tough time that there is not hunderds saying what i am.





I will not be posting here much anymore lots of you will be glad to here,just in case anyone who has given me good advice reads this thanks a lot for your help its been a massive help.



Im fooling into the trap many do when you spend to much time on a forum,this is not me at all, If you cant see this guy is a heartless selfish insentitive human being even if he has not done wrong,i dont stand a chance.



Big thanks to proger 1 .

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 01:19

Blackbird



Thats right you can only show compassion to people you know.



Im not religous but we are all brothers.



Ill call you when i can yorg, it will be good to here your take on things.



How did i end up english.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 01:25

stelee77 - you did not answer my question?

Josie1


Joined: 01/02/2011
Posts: 143

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 01:27

Tony you have my full sympathy. I am so glad you are in a much better place now. Remember, it's not just your family & friends, there's a lot of us wishing you well after this tragic experience.

Blackbird



Joined: 11/08/2009
Posts: 1432

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 01:29

Re message 52..... well said Josie1....

Glasbury


Joined: 13/08/2010
Posts: 268

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 01:31

I concur with message 52 and 53

Dreamydiver



Joined: 30/08/2010
Posts: 306

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 02:34

Tony,

I cannot begin to understand the torment you (& your family) have gone through during this dreadful period.

I wish you all much happiness as you begin to start to rebuild your life in the South.



Stelee77,

I can understand how you might be offended/upset/disturbed by the wording of Tonys comments in message 1. However, could you please try to consider how distresssed Tony must be which might be why, with hindsight, his post wasn't particularly sensitive?



Troodo, Yorgozlu,

You are both perfectly correct, the boys families are also suffering & we all need to consider this too.



Nicola,

Your judgement of the parents appears unfair; do you know the parents, their relationship with their sons? The boys were reckless & foolhardy - regreatably traits many young people display. In this case however, they paid the ultimate price for this.



Perhaps it would be appropriate for us all to wish Tony & the boys family the ability to move on with their lives & end this thread?

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 02:41

stelee47. msg 49. "I will not be posting much on here anymore" is that a promise? Join a South forum and go to Pathos they may like you there.

PhilUK


Joined: 31/03/2010
Posts: 236

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 03:17

Its a messy situation all round- stelee, you opened your mouth and put your foot in it before doing your research.

I'm sure, that despite what Tony said about the boys being stupid was an off the cuff comment, more-so the bitterness of a an elderly man that had been conned into pleading guilty and subsequently locked up for no fault of his own and as much a victim of a tragic accident that should that should been fairly judged as such.

I think stelee, a little empathy would be more appropriate-If Tony thinks the boys were stupid, he is not saying he wishes they were dead- he is saying with better judgement they would be alive today-we have all done stupid things where we were younger, I know I have, and am lucky to be alive despite various stupid youthful japes.

There by the grace of God go I and plenty of others I think.

Like I said stelee, a little empathy would be appreciated.

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 07:59

Tony I am glad your nightmare is over to a point but feel sure you will have bad days as no one can ever forget what you have been through.



My thoughts go out to the family of the boys.



Tony could I ask what help if any did you have from the British consul or any UK official body ?

Tenakoutou



Joined: 27/07/2009
Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 09:32

Tony - having supported you all along in this travesty of injustice towards you, and believe me, I've had numerous unpleasant arguments with both Cypriots and expats on your behalf, even though I don't know you and we've never met, I breathed a huge sigh of relief for you on hearing you had finally got out of this iniquitous place.



Nobody, unless standing in your shoes, can possibly imagine the depth of feeling of isolation, desolation and hopelessness that you were so mercilessly forced to endure, knowing you were a hapless victim of third world mentality and lawlessness. As for your advocate - by his [alleged] mishandling of the case he has just proved to be yet another despicable 'product' of a particularly nasty, but well-known 'mould' for which the TRNC has gained such a rotten, worldwide reputation.



I sincerely hope you will maximise your horrendous experience with the 'Press', and in financial terms, recoup the obvious losses incurred in this sorry saga - best of luck!

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 09:33

re 44 Nicola



I neither made nor intended to make any insinuation re the partaking of alcohol by pipebender ( Tony) ..end of..[sighs]

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 09:41

Dreamydiver those boys were in a care home, their parents didn't seem to care too much, as I understand it they were not even in the country, neither parent went to the trial, you want me to feel something for the parents.



The boys were loaned the bike and when it wasnt returned it was reported stolen to the police, the care home didnt even know the boys were missing, there are a lot of people who should have been held responsible for the boys death but TONY is not one of them.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 10:12

Nicola, I concur totally. Through their recklessness, stupidity and thoughtlessness, these two idiots brought about their own deaths and potentially ruined the life of a retired gentleman ! I personally have NO sympathy whatsoever for the boys involved OR their wayward parents ! They brought it on themselves and it is ONLY THEY who are responsible for their own deaths. The sad thing is that Tony has been through hell because of these stupid boys. Of course Tony feels bitterness for being thrown into jail by a corrupt lawyer (SINAN H. SEMILER - TAKE NOTICE OF THAT NAME EVERYONE !) not doing what he was handsomely paid for and a corrupt legal system . Not to mention corrupt police !

Tony should have been totally exonerated and the boys parents made to pay for any damage to his car by these halfwits !

I tell it as it should be said !!!



Gerry

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 10:25

birdman we know Tony will recover one day, he is a gentleman, the sad thing is, he loved the TRNC, the people and his house, he wanted to spend the rest of his life there, he did everything through the proper channels, residency etc etc.



He ended up selling his beautiful villa for at least £100,000 less than its value, this travesty of justice has been a very expensive learning curve for this fine gentleman who cared for his sick wife till she passed away.



I don't give a jot for those little toerags or their dreadful uncaring parents.

matula


Joined: 07/07/2008
Posts: 647

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 10:26

I fully agree with Birdman on this (msg 62) and am happy to say that God willing I am leaving this sorry place for good on Wednesday.



Totsiens almal.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 10:31

matula, I wish you well and good luck for the future.

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 10:44

Good luck Tony, most people feel a lot of sympathy for you and for the family of the boys.



however what seems to be missing here in TRNC is the acknowledgement that an 'accident' can simply be an accident. There seems to be the urge to blame someone else for everything.



Best wishes for the start of your new life in the south.

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 11:09

I can see where steele is coming from lets not forget these so called STUPID boys paid for there mistakes with their lives something the family or friends will never get over, Tony has his life which is more precious than anything OK he had a bad experience which he states he did not derserve, but he is ALIVE people make mistakes especiaally youngsters in any country in any life, blame NO one here it was an accident and accidents happen everyday unfortunately, these boys were not stupid just boys doing what many boys do in any country, unfortunately it ended their lives and Tony was subjected to a very horrific experience, my condolences are to everyone here concerned, have a good life Tony, but lets pray for the 2 boys families and frieends everyday to as they have a life sentence believe me x

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:14

Reading all this thread is just so sad for those poor boys and of course Tony.

Tony can at least try and make some thing of the rest of his life, but those two young lads will never be able to,.

It is terrible that Tony had to endure what he did.

But being nasty to each other on here about such a sensitive issue, wont help Tony or even bring back the two kids that have now missed out on life...



All so sad...

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:17

Post deleted , under Rule 3 ......... Simbas

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:22

Dizzy cows



You are completely right.



But people with hearts will react to insensetive comments.



If the people on this thread acted the why you are,all would be okay.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:29

I can't understand why Tony would even want to write on here, he will probably never meet anyone on here so why bother. Go home Tony and get off this stupid bulletin board. I also think this thread should be closed, it's not helping anyone.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:32

Just some questions for stelee which i am sure many folk are asking.

who are you? are you old enough to vote? Why have you joined the board? How large is your wooden spoon - couldn't you shrink it a bit? Are you another of those banned characters of yesteryear coming back to try to upset a few more folk.

this thread is nothing to do with the selfishness of others, but a thank you from someone who suffered greatly during his last few months on the island who has now found a peace elsewhere. And therefore, this thread has no need of condemnations, snide remarks and unjust hurts.

and the answers are??????????????????? (SEE rULE 3)

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:36

The fact is that Tony, having been cleared of any guilt or responsibilty for this accident was still sentenced to jail. This was because he was advised by his advocate to plead guilty.

This accident was acknowledged in court as being the fault of the boys and an unlit road. Why should Tony suffer because of that ?

This was a miscarriage of justice and I can't see how anybody can claim otherwise. It's very sad that the 2 boys lost their lives while joy riding and life can be tough. But that's how it is. This was their fault, and remember, that thousands of people die from events outside their control. That's what is really sad in the world !

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:50

If people are going to dish it out,they have to be prepered to take it back.



marion.



Typical example of a thread,people jump in without thinking,then at the end common sense prevails,then people get angry.



I promise you this is not a wind up,how can it be if people can see where im coming from.

I have been a bit of a spoon sometimes,b ut every thread i have started is genuine,and im certainly genuine here.



I apoligise for screwing up this thread,but if some of you jump out of your bubble or two minutes you may understand.



I have lived in cyprus i have been to north cyprus,im genuinly moving there soon,so i am more genuine than 50% of people on here.



Yes i'm bored because i'm not doing anything, and because of that i'm thinking cyprus 24/7.



But nothing changes the fact that some peoples heartless commennts are unbeievable.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:51

Is it just me who considers Nicola to be a bitter, heartless and not very nice "lady" ? She seems to have a lot to say about Cyprus and the people contributing to this forum from her home in the Algarve and is very aggressive in her postings using personal abuse as a substitute for debate. She has also on another posting questioned the motives of those who contributed to the "Ismail " fund and generally has nothing positive to contribute. I wish Tony all be best and hope that , in time , he will be able to put this dreadful episode behind him. I also have huge sympathy for the 2 boys who died and their families . All human life is precious.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:57

Still being nasty to each other, why?



Marion, why bother to ask such stuff?



Yes why should Tony suffer because of such a horrible accident, he has, and still is, but he is alive and back with his beloved family..



So lets just be thankful he is out....

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:01

Any more nasty or off topic posts will be deleted

simbas

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:07

Well that is not justice,i agree



But i think some people need to wake up and look at the real sad story here.



I thought with age people become wiser and kinder but obviously not.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:17

Reading Tony's story, One has to wonder. Are there ANY honest and/or lawyers in Northern Cyprus not to mention competent ones ?

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:22

Msg 79,



Sorry meant to insert Advocates after the word "honest " in previos post .

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:27

EamonnMc



Oh yes there are,sadly not rıch enough to be ın lımelight.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:32

Msg 81,



Please name just 3 of them so that members of this forum could comment on them or use them if necessary. Thanks.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 13:41

Hasan Kocadal,lives in a village called tepebasi,been a lawyer for the past 30 plus years,and would not take on anything is not worth fighting for,another word,if you are in the wrong.I'm related to him and he had thought me hell of alot.



sadly,he speaks almost no english.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 14:16

Yorg, do you have any Advocates that you could recommend that do speak good English, as their are so many British in NC, ..



Im sure any recommendations will be well appreciated.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 14:41

What about an apology FROM the parents of these two boys TO Tony for the disruption they have caused him ?

Had the boys not been acting illegally, then Tony would NOT have ended up with the plight he found himself in, caused by THEIR irresponsible children ! They should be made to pay ALL tony's costs and the loss on his house sale and to compensate HIM for the problems THEIR children cased Tony !

LAW : If an accident is caused by a persons presence on the road then that person shall be liable for that accident.

The accident was caused by the two boys illegally using a bike, reportedly stolen, without lights or helmets on an unlit road. THEY ARE LIABLE FOR THE ACCIDENT !



Tell it as it is !







Gerry

bazzagirl


Joined: 09/05/2010
Posts: 525

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 14:58

Yes they are liable, they made a mistake and they paid for it with their lives, what else is there to say!

shrimp


Joined: 01/09/2010
Posts: 939

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 15:04

Tony, good luck to you in the next chapter of your life, be strong and try to put this behind you, it will not be easy......

There are very few true Accidents, 99% of accidents are down to human error............this was not an accident, Tony was at the wrong place at the wrong time........end of..........If those boys had not been where they were, doing what they were doing they would be alive today, sadly they are not and that is the most tragic thing that two young lives were lost........ we are all accountable to ourselves for our actions.......

JohhnyLee


Joined: 25/04/2009
Posts: 2495

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 15:11

Good Luck Tony. What a dreadful situation to find yourself in through no fault of your own.



This could happen to any of us here. Simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.



When we first moved here our neihgbour was going to visit his friend in Prison, he told me that the guy had done nothing wrong, he was driving and a drunken local stepped in front of a bus I think, he hit him and killed him.



But from what I gathered from him, was that if you kill someone here you serve time. What a ridiculous system.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 15:16

Eamoncmc, you do not know me and never will as I would not want someone like you in my circle of friends in LISBON.



Tony is a very dear friend of mine, something probably quite alien to you.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 15:20

Birdman



you are unbeliveable.



There must be part of you that feels for those boys and there family.



tony tony tony tony,get over it,its unlucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time,but please have a lot more heart for people who may have learnt a lesson in the most upsetting way ever.



Blame the legal system for his sentence,no one else.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 15:20

Good Luck Tony, you have been treated disgracefully for being involved in an accident, that is what it was, an accident, nothing more. It's sad that two young boys lost their lives and I have no doubt you will carry that with you for the rest of your life. I pray that you can find peace in your new life and wish you all the very best for the future.



There but for the Grace of God go I.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 16:03

Msg 89,



Nicola , You're right I don't know you but I know what you have posted and that is all that matters ! As for being part of your circle of friends, I prefer big crowds, more atmosphere ! Lisbon is welcome to you as Cyprus has enough troubles already .

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 16:11

ın some sad persons vıew,one being in the wrong gives the other right to kill.



tell it as it is.............ALWAYS

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 16:48

Message 93



This man did not intentionally kill those boys, it was an accident, perhaps if they had been on a vehicle with some lights on, or even if they had been wearing protective clothing, they may have been alive today.

Sadly until some of the other road users here, both young and old alike, begin to realise that they are responsible for their own safety too then these accidents will continue to happen.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 16:56

Msg 94,



I agree, I doubt if there is anyone on this forum, who has driven in Northern Cyprus, who has not had a close call on the roads here what with people pulling out onto a main road when they should yield, people overtaking dangerously , people driving on the wrong side of the road while talking on a mobile etc... I certainly have had experience of all of these over the years !

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 16:59

Only last night we saw an old man driving his car with no front lights working and also a young delivery boy on a scooter with no lights on at all, if they get hit, who's fault is that, what is wrong with these people?

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 17:31

Yorgozlu msg 93



who is saying that anyone had the right to kill? These lads were killed because they were in a place where they should not have been, riding a motor cycle without permission and and totally illegal. Nobody intentionally wanted to kill them. So please temper your comments.Iit's noted you do not appear to have much criticism of the other TC driver involved.

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 17:50

Stellee why can you not keep your word you promised not to post on here again keep your inane drivel to yourself and yorg the person that killed the boys was a tc with bad eysight who should not have been driving.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:29

Cavalryman,



All members have a right to express there opinions on this forum and just because now and again one gets frustrated and says they will not post again, it should not be taken as gospel. many have said that before and still contribute their piece - in fact i call them the Comeback Kids !

kittyfun


Joined: 11/04/2011
Posts: 181

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:40

Isnt this the same man who made rude gestures to the judge when he was being sent down - ansd theres photos to prove it ?

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:41

By all means defend and support your expat peers. But please do not negate these poor young peoples lives Do not rubbish them because they were in care, or did not wear helmets.



Their lives are gone. Their aspirations will never be achieved. They will never be parents or have children.

It is a tragedy for all.



Those who survive will have to live with these events and this loss for the rest of their lives.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:43

Yorg once again you show your ignorance, what a fine example you are to your tc brothers.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:45

msg 94



Intentional or not..............are the boys dead?



If the answer is yes,is it too much to expect a bit of sympathy for their family,instead of calling them 'stupid boys'?



one don't gain respect but earn it and must give before expecting it.



>>always be yourself because the ones that matter don't mind and the ones mind don't matter<<

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:45

99



If you think what i have said is rubbish its your problem.



Its funny you cant mention the people who agree with me.



People like you just want an argument,as soon as this thread gets on track with nice messages to all parties you have to bring it up again.



But in life there will always be people like you who are completely insensetive.



yorg was just making a point of how birdman sees things.



But straight away people post with no understanding of his comment even thoe it is so simple it is unbelivable.



And this is the whole problem.



If you dont want me to post on this thread stop calling me out,simple.



Can you not understand why a cypriot like yorg would be fed up with insensetive selfish brits,even thoe i know some have hearts of gold.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:50

100



Well that would explain a lot.



He seems heartless as hell,the first thing he should of done was pay his respects on this thread anyway.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:50

Msg 104,



When you mention msg 99 , I think you have the wrong msg. or am I wrong ?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:51

Yorg generally speaks the truth

problem is, it the truth some do not like to hear

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:53

Hi Visitor , as i read it , and i might be wrong , i don't think it was anyone's intention to negate these poor boys , life is precious , whoever or whatever you are , they were somebodies babies , hopefully loved and nurtured at some point in their tragic lives , i think it had more to do with their poor judgement , and the consequences it caused for innocent man , he hadn't long lost his wife

simbas

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 18:54

sorry 98



Thats right philbailey

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:02

108



No one is suggesting anything is his fault,but the lack of compassion for these boys by some is unreal.



I think phil bailey hit the nail on the head, people dont like hearing the truth.



Why can some people still not see this.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:05

I do not know the circumstances and as I said its a tragedy for all concerned but statements like:



'these two idiots brought about their own deaths and potentially ruined the life of a retired gentleman ! I personally have NO sympathy whatsoever for the boys involved OR their wayward parents ! They brought it on themselves and it is ONLY THEY who are responsible for their own deaths'



'those boys were in a care home, their parents didn't seem to care too much, as I understand it they were not even in the country, neither parent went to the trial, you want me to feel something for the parents.'





are unnecessary, what has being in a care home to do with anything? and as I said all concerned will have to live with these events. They will never go away.

Dreamydiver



Joined: 30/08/2010
Posts: 306

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:06

Tony starts this thread to thank the people who helped him thru an awful ordeal.

Is it me or has the thread gone off track? People appear (check that in my message to you Nicola) to be using this thread to:

insult each other,

suggest one has suffered more than others,

suggest making a mistake means others shouldn't feel sympathy if you die ...

it is all so nasty, sujective and IMHO, can't be helping Tony do what his thread suggests ...thanking those who supported him and for him to get on with his life.

Is there any point in it continuing? Just appears to be a way for people to genrate more hate and bitterness.



Good luck with your life Tony..

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:16

visitor



so your another lovely human being then.



112



Who are you talking about those stupid boys that some people dont seem to care was killed.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:27

Visitor, and Yorg the truth hurts doesn't it.



Phil Bailey, you have to be on the wacky backy mate if you think Yorg talks truth.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:33

Lets get a few things straight here.



The two boys should not have been on the road - FACT



Tony was innocent and stitched up - FACT.



Just remember, there for the grace of God, lets hope it doesn't happen to any of you that seem to be more concerned for two toerags than an innocent old aged pensioner going about his business legally.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:37

Just done a bit of research.



This guy did not care less about these deaths from the minute it happened and showed a total lack of respect the whole way through.

Which would not have done himself any favours.

I knew that was not the reaction of a good man.

thanks for the lead kitty kat.

Im happy to leave this now.

birdman visitor you should be ashamed of yourselves.

unbeliveable.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:38

There is no need for remarks like toerags, they made a mistake and paid a very high price, they deserve pity not insults. Whatever the ins and outs they were someones sons so try to show some respect please.

climakool


Joined: 09/11/2008
Posts: 190

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:46

no-one can be blamed for such a tragic accident - accidents happen dont they ? - I feel for Tony being banged up for something that wasnt his fault & I feel for the families who have lost their children.



But all this bickering on here aint an accident is it - its people who aint got nothing better to do and just fancy a row with anyone?



Tony I hope you can now move forward & RIP to the two boys who lost their lives x



The rest of you need to get a life and appreciate it whilst youve got it !!!

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:47

Well said hattikins



Its unbelievable.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 19:52

Flipping well said hattikins, I cannot believe the how people can dismiss two young lives like it has on some of these posts....



Tony, still has his life... He didnt mean to kill those boys or even perhaps do it. But those boys would love to be able to look back at their behaviour and say Im sorry for causing all the grief to every one.



Yes a very high price to pay... death is very long...

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:01

Steelee I suggest you read my post again! I was criticising the statements made in earlier postings not supporting them.



Nicola how unkind to call these dead boys two toe rags. Your a disgrace. This is a tragedy for all

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:02

118



Why cant you coment on the real problem,border line evil comments,suggesting the boys deserved it,comments like those stupid boys as if they are nothing.



The only thing causing bickering is people who for some reason are sticking up for some really horrible individuals,maybe you play bingo together or something.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:06

Visitor what I say is true, if you dont like it then that is your problem.

stelee77


Joined: 06/06/2011
Posts: 557

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:07

121



yes i am very sorry,im glad people can see how bad some people are.



Honestly never in my life have i heard such horrible stuff.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:11

Nicola - pathetic school girl response!

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:11

Nicola covers herself in glory once again !! What happened to Tony was the result of a corrupt and ineffective legal system and was Not the fault of the 2 foolhardy boys who sadly lost their lives ! There were no winners in this matter !

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:15

I agree there are no winners. Nicola you are just a disgraceful human being. Two boys have lost their lives you and your like are heartless.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:18

I have to agree EamonnMc.



People go to jail for 2 reasons,.. One for being found guilty of a bad crime and 2nd to protect the general public from someone who may be a danger to society.





This gentleman fits into neither category in my opinion.



I hope he can find peace and quiet from now on.

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:20

r.i.p. to the two little boys and tony faultless or not will have to live with this for the rest of his life

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:21

I do feel that this thread is now getting personal and becoming vindictive..And feel that most must agree that its time to wish Tony all the best in staring a new life and moving forward.



And also to let the two boys now rest in peace..and wishing their families peace too.





Please mods enough is enough..JMHO.



Spider.X

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:29

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was serving no purpose.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 20:54

This is just so sad. We all did stupid, unsafe things when we were young. Its all part of growing up. Sometimes when you are young you just don't see danger and consider the consequences of your actions. Yes the behaviour of the two youths contributed to their deaths but what a tragic, tragic accident for all concerned.



What can be achieved by playing this blame game? More upset for Tony and the family of the bereaved? More ill feeling?



It is the legal system that let everyone down. Not the poor boys or Tony. A system which rather than use this terrible accident as a learning experience to other parents and as a warning to other youngsters, decided to use their own form of justice. Justice not based on truth and evidence but purely on closure.



Closure being the one thing I doubt Tony and the boys family will never completely have.