should a person terminally ill but not able to take his own life

russianbabe


Joined: 19/08/2011
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 21:36

should a person who is terminally ill and not able to take his own life be allowed by law have a loved one help him die without consequences for the loved one

suel5


Joined: 16/01/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:36

Yes we should all have a choice and living wills should be legal

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:41

Maybe you thread should read..



Would you.





JMHO





Spider,X

Magbs


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 22:46

If memory serves me, assisted suicide is legal in Switzerland.

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:36

Of course, assisted suicide should be legal worldwide but with certain conditions, everything must be above board and open to scrutiny.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
10/09/2011 23:51

But what if they found a cure for instance, Bowel Cancer tomorrow, how would you feel after you had helped a loved one to depart this world? (Assisted suicide)



Chris



In my opinion where there is life there is hope.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 00:41

Quality of life is to live.



To breath is not always living to just lay helpless.



to be helpless is hopeless in ones mind,





Spider,X

berrak


Joined: 18/02/2011
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 01:32

how can I help you ?

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:07

I was actually talking about this with a Cypriot friend ths morning. She said that they used to have euthanasia(is that right?) in this country but not anymore. I'm not sure how long ago she was talking about, but we both agreed for certain cases, it should be allowed. I know if I was incapable, I would want someone to put me out of my misery, but it is a very touchy subject..

jamestalbot


Joined: 20/12/2009
Posts: 958

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 12:18

I agree with message 6, Nurseawful.

jenny278


Joined: 10/05/2010
Posts: 79

Message Posted:
11/09/2011 15:28

As a registered nurse who has also completed a palliative care course and consequently cared for many terminally ill patients I feel I can give my opinion, When there is good quality of life and efficient, effective pain control yes all should be done to not only prolong life but to ensure that they are happy and dignified in their final stages of life,I would support them 100%. however not everyone wants this and have asked why can't it end.

If legal, euthanasia would be okay in these circumstances a gentle peaceful and dignified, death when THEY want what is wrong with that. Again if legal, would I sit and hold their hand as they were given the drugs, too right I would.

Also lets be realistic if a cure was found would it be available or of any help to anyone in the final term of their life.

mitsi


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 345

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 11:30

msg 11. Well said. As a nurse I totally agree with you and would help anyone should the law permit it. Holland passed the euthanasia bill in 2002. Before this it was not legal BUT widely practised provided 4 criteria were met. I would be happy to work there.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 11:44

On this very emotive subject I just want to say that my life belongs to me and it should be my moral right to decide when I want to leave.



But I do not think that anyone else could/should make that decision for you. This is too dreadful to contemplate if you are in a 'locked in' state due to stroke, completely aware but unable to even flicker your eyelid.



You must discuss within your family so that they know your wishes and at what stage enough is enough.



I hope none of you ever have to face this dilemna.

AliBongo


Joined: 12/09/2011
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 11:57

I agree with msg. 2

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 12:30

This is an example of how religion once again gets in the way...



http://www.christian.org.uk/resources/theology/apologetics/the-sanctity-of-life/euthanasia/

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 13:01

This is a difficult one,but ive known a lady for over 40 yrs and the last 20yrs she has been in a home,she is a vegetable,she either in bed or sits in a chair with her head down,she cannot walk,talk or know anyone of her family or friends.she just exists.there is little chance of a cure for her,she dosnt know that within that time her husband has died,and shes a great grandmother.her children visit her every week and take her out in a wheel chair but they all say,she dosnt know cos shes not there but as long as shes alive her children cant ignore her.but wouldnt it be much easier all around if they could put her out her misery.ive made my husband promise,if i end up that way.take me to a country and have someone assist me,i wouldnt expect hubby to do it for me,thats asking too much

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 13:51

I am going through this dilemma myself with my mother, she was diagnosed with dementia last year and has deteriorated very quickly to the extent that she had a fall whilst in a dementia unit and now is wheelchair bound, she has a torn cartlidge in her knee and has 3 fractured discs in her back plus they think nerve damage, she was taken to hospital last week and keeps passing out through the pain, she cannot walk anymore and has lost all her dignity, the only pain killing drugs they give her are paracetamol which does not even touch the pain and they will not prescribe any other pain killers due to it effecting her dementia medication, they refuse to operate on her knee as the anesthetic may be dangerous, she cries herself to sleep every night. To see her suffering in this way and not being able to help is heart breaking. With dementia there is no cure and she will only get worse. I do believe there should be a dignified way to end her suffering.

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 14:00

parkview,that must be so heartbreaking for you,knowing how your mother was then seeing how shes suffering now and not being able to help her in any way.the lady above was like a 2nd mother to me,ive known her since i was 2yrs old. i wish your mum all the best hopefully they will give her something slightly stronger than paracetamol to ease her pain and make her as comfortable as possible ,

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 16:56

Parkview..I went through the same dilemma with my Mum..I new what she wanted,but I could do nothing..It was Heartbreaking..Living Wills are the way forward in my view..........

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 17:48

parkview my thoughts are with you and your mother, I cannot imagine the pain you are both going through.

parkview



Joined: 12/03/2009
Posts: 1123

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 21:17

MartinD41, I am sorry to hear that and I must say it has made me look into a living will for myself, I do not want my daughter to go through this, god forbid this happens to me. It is no life for the person who is suffering or the carers who have to watch someone they love die slowly and painfully each day. I cannot believe in this day and age there is not a more humane way of helping people who are terminally ill.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
12/09/2011 22:43

Msg 17. My thoughts on the matter - in NO way a criticism of you, is to speak to your mum's GP and have her removed immediately from whence she is, and taken to a place that WILL give her palliative care, though firstly I would get an immediate meeting with her hospital Consultant (you don't have to explain to anyone why, or they will do the speaking for you - giving their version, b4 you get to them), if no joy from him/her - next step her GP, if they refuse to get involved, take action yourself. It is ludicrous, the unconscionable pain she is in, is being treated with medication one takes for a headache. As you say, there is no cure for dementia, yet that is the rationale for not giving her pain relief; any other options, would interfere with the dementia medication! I would go on the Hospital website and make your thoughts crystal clear in the feedback section, and basically kick up a fuss - they will soon re-think their position. Your MP would also concentrate their minds...

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 19:08

I thought that there was a mechanism in place for this heartbreaking situation where people are in appalling pain and will never recover or be comfortable. - Is this what the Liverpool path is?



Anyone know?