Now I am 60 do I need to apply for residency

magalan


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 227

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 14:09

I am totally confused can someone please help. Today I have been told by a member of staff in the residency department at Lefkosia that now I am over 60 I do not need to renew my residency. Has anyone over 60 applied recently and had this same response.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 14:15

Once you are over 60 you do not need to have blood tests anymore but you still need residency every year. Unless of course they changed the rules recently.









The butlers wife

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 14:32

NEWS: Changes on Residence Permits





From BRS website:

With effect from 26 August 2010, applicants for temporary residence permits are required to have annual medical checks before the permit is granted. Guidance on the requirements will be given by the Police on first submitting documents for checking.



Those aged 60 or over will need to undergo a medical check on their first application only. No medical checks of over 60s will be needed on renewal. If you are 60 or over and already had a temporary residence permit before 26 August 2010, you will not need to have a medical check on renewal. Over 60s may request renewals for a two year period, but the grant of 2 year permits is not automatic. The cost of a 2 year renewal is double that of a 1 year renewal.

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 15:41

We were also told by a serving policeman that you do not need residency when you are over 60 - it is only 'voluntary'. We have been unable to substantiate this though, can you go back to Lefkosa immigration and get it in writing?

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 16:10

I would like to know if it is possible to get this substantiated by the immigration office. If it is true why are we paying all this money every year to renew? Could it be that they just want to keep taking our money when we don't need to pay?









The butlers wife

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 16:12

They also told me that, but also in the next breath they are saying that you can't renew your drivers licence without residency.

Agobard


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 16:33

It was confirmed to me several years ago by the immigration department that over 60s do not need residency. Unfortunately, however, you do need residency to get a driving licence so this is a bit of a catch 22 situation. It is certainly the case that you will not get fined for not having residency over this age. A scam by any other name!

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 16:35

Er!!! ........... left hand and right hand ......................... as usual.

CarrieRBag



Joined: 23/12/2008
Posts: 1374

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 16:52

One for the BRS to check and substantiate on our behalf perhaps?

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 17:00

Get a licence for ten years when you turn 60. Then have ten free years.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 17:03

I wish you would all get it right, what you apply for annually or Bi-annually is a "Visitor Visa" which can be renewed or rescinded as an when it suits those concerned......

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 18:41

If you want to stay for more than 90 days then you MUST apply for a Residency Visa which is another way of saying 'visitor visa.' If you overstay your 90 day visa lthen you will be fined for each day you stay over, and in extreme circumstances I believe you could even be denied re-entry.

The Residency Visa (temporary) is now available for a two years period instead of the one and you have a choice as to whether you wish to availa yourself of it. It will still cost you for the two years,but you do not have the hassle of going to Lefkosia every year!

There isno way you can stay on here as a guest, holidaymaker, home owner etc, etc without having some kind of visa. But do double check with immigration - they are the ones who will tell you. Or try the lovely lady at the police Station in Kyrenia.

things maybe different for people of a certain age group, but one thing that is consistent you MUST have the appriopriate visa for your stay. Hope that helps. But please, don't believe me or

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 18:42

anyone else who writes here - get the info from the proper authority. Be safe, - don't walk into a situation that could prov e horribly costly!

tomsteel


Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 482

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 18:50

Perhaps the British High Commission could advise on this issue after consulting with the appropriate Ministry Department for the chapter and verse! "High hopes, he's got high hopes -----".

cypgab


Joined: 09/01/2010
Posts: 338

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 18:54

.... it's a 'temporary' residency visa ....

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 18:54

I supect the offices in Lefkosia will tell you what you want to here and when you want to hear it...........However, get someone to put it in writing is a different kettle of fish altogether. No-one will commit themselves, of that you can be certain.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 22:39

msg15..Look in your passport , does it say "temporary resident" or "Visitor"....It says "Visitor" which means you have NO rights, you are simply a Paying Guest, there's a Big Difference...

joanie1


Joined: 25/07/2008
Posts: 164

Message Posted:
13/09/2011 22:46

I'm seriously confused about this - I am 72 - got two year temporary residency renewable next June - have a 10 year local driving licence which expires in 8 years time (ok I could well be dead by then - being realistic) - but is there anyone reading this - either BRS (I am a member) - or someone from the Government/Immigration Dept who could give me an honest answer about whether I need to renew my temporary residency next year.



Please no silly or snide comments - but if anyone has an honest answer or advice I'd be really grateful to hear it.



Thank you



Joan

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 00:34

SorryJoan, but I am not BRS or government, but from what I know (and as it selfishly affects me), you will have to do what I will have to do:



1. renew my residency visa on the due date (for you June next year)

2. renew you r driving licence on its expiry in 8 years IF



(a) you wish to remain here, and (b) you wish to carry on driving, by which time you willhave gone through another 4 applications to remain!



of course if you shake off your mortal coil, your driving licence dies with you, and you won't have to renew your residency. I am in the same position and so are many others.

Hope that answers your question, and if I am wrong, then would someone in authority say so!

Wibow


Joined: 10/07/2011
Posts: 97

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 09:09

Sorry Magalan



You do have to re-new your residency



Either every year or get a 2 year one



We got a 2 year one, saves having all that hassle



All it means is that if you are 60 or over



You don't have to have a blood test

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 09:11

Last week a friend was crossing the border and a lady policeman said you dont need a visa when you are 60 or over.

MrsSnakes



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 1100

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 10:14

Deniz1, Snakes was told the same thing by a lady policeman at the border at the begining of the year.

Geejay


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 475

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 13:09

Check it out with the BRS (site). That's what they're for !

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 13:37

msg1 The simple answer is "YES" you have to renew your "Visitor Visa" every year (or two)

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 14:27

Ok but why do the police say other wise?

Agobard


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 14:44

I strongly suspect that you do not need a residency permit if you are over 60 - there is certainly no fine at this age for not having one and I know that for certain. Getting anybody in authority to confirm this would be nigh on impossible. Why would they want to - they're collecting money off you every year/2 years!!

ozankoys


Joined: 20/06/2008
Posts: 905

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 14:54

I also suspect that they do not want to publicise this so that they can continue to collect the money.

By the way my friend obtained a local driving licence this year and he does not have 'residency' so previous information is incorrect.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 15:37

The trouble is, policemen/women and immigration officials do not appear to sing from the same hymn sheet and never have in my opinion. Unless and until this happens I wouldn't like to risk it, particularly when I wanted to come back into the country from abroad!!

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 20:35

Well i never leave so being fined isnt an option.

birdman



Joined: 20/09/2010
Posts: 690

Message Posted:
14/09/2011 23:04

While renewing my visitor/temporary residency this year at the Immigration Office in Lefkosa I specifically asked the question,( as I too have heard this rumour that over 60 years old it was not required,) "As I am well over 60 now Do I have to apply/pay for, residency/visitors temporary or whatever ?" The answer was a resounding "Yes" "your age has nothing to do with it !"



Gerry

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
15/09/2011 00:08

Agobard, many of us would like to know where you get that jewel of information. No visa required. without appearing rude, I think you are very misinformed. There isno way you can stay anywhere for as long as you like without a visa of some kind. O.K, if you leave every 90 days and go somewhere else, then fine, but if you stay here you MUST have a visa. If not and youare caught up with, BIG fines and possible deportation will ensue. remember the Petch family??

I beg anyone who reads this forum and who needs sound advice to seek it in the proper places, just so that one is as safe and secure as it is possible to be in a country which moves the goal posts of its legalities with greater frequency than changes in the weather.

Agobard


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
15/09/2011 09:25

Message 31: I was told this several years ago now by an official in the immigration department. As far as the fines are concerned, I went across the border with a friend some time ago to regularize his situation as he had no residency (under 60) and he had been here for 3 years. He had to pay the monthly minimum wage, as there was an amnesty at the time, to sort out his situation but his wife (over 60) did not have to pay anything as the immigration people confirmed that there was no fine applicable for this age group. I simply join up the dots here - if there is no penalty for not having residency, why would you need to have it? I am convinced that this is simply a money issue - how many people are living here, over 60, and paying these fees every year? I'm sure this would amount to a loss to the authorities of a tidy sum of money if it was admitted that they didn't need it. I understood that the Petch family were working here which is a different situation altogether.

colinbrs


Joined: 15/09/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
15/09/2011 10:56

There is up to date and reliable information on residence permits on the BRS website at



http://www.brstrnc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=98&Itemid=138



As for the rumours about not needing residence permits after the age of 60, it's a slightly delicate subject. Anyone wanting the truth can email the BRS at info@brstrnc>com and ask for your message to be passed to me, or you could call at any of the BRS contact points which are listed in "on the agenda" section of the Midweek edition of Cyprus Today.



Information given out by the BRS is checked with the authorities and against the experience of members. For the price of a few pints, you can become a member of the BRS and have access to all member services.



Beware of "bar talk"

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
15/09/2011 23:58

Why is it 'slightly delicate'. does that mean that loads of over 60 year olds have been paying out unnecessarily? come on, write it here for us all to see without buying into BRS membership!!!! I am asking nicely here, cos I firmly believe that Cyprus 44 should contain as much truth as possible without having to e mail BRS. Why can't you state it here and dispel our doubts. Or is it a case of applicable to some and not to others, and I cannot for a moment believe that!

So come on, put us out of our misery. and yes, I can look at the web page, but I want to read it here PRETTY PLEASE.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
16/09/2011 10:36

Msg.33 could you please define "delicate"? It's either the case that over 60's do not need Visas or it isn't? Perhaps it only applies to married couples or something, or maybe you have to be over 75 not over 60, but if there is something everyone should know then they should be give the information. (I'm a fully paid up member of the BRS and I don't mind non members being informed!!)



Unless of course the Government are using it as a bargaining chip for the future? Then that would really be interesting wouldn't it?

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
16/09/2011 11:58

Re-message 33. Why do we have to email BRS and have the message passed to you? We are asking the question on here, and would really appreciate an answer. When you say delicate, it makes it seem as message 34 and 35 says, that it is ok for some but not others. Please clarify exactly what you mean. Thanks.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
16/09/2011 12:12

Re message 33



If you have a definite answer to this question which may be of use to all ex pats, not just members of BRS, then would you be so kind as to post it on here, are you there to help people or not or is it some exclusive club.

boerboel


Joined: 02/05/2009
Posts: 290

Message Posted:
16/09/2011 14:45

Msg 33. Unless residency rules have changed today, you are showing incorrect information on your link.



The revenue stamp when attending Lefkosa is 7.5TL together with the fee of 193TL



The figure you have quoted of 10.20TL in revenue stamps is for a first application and payable at the police station, unfortunately you have omitted this fact. This amount is not payable on a renewal.



Regards



Boerboel

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
16/09/2011 20:36

I still reckon this is all a grand confusion to get some of us into trouble.

As I see it (and my left eye is not too good!), anyone can stay with a visitors visa for the time given (normally 90 dahys) and they leave and come back whenever. They may own property, no prob, but they are visitors. If they stay on b eyond the 90 days they are punished. But they do NOT have to go for Residency. That is for those who wish to stay without keep running away oln happy hbolidays, or visa jaunts. These must then go to immigration and go through the correct channels.

What is decicate about that, OR someone put me right if I am wrong. and if I am wrong, what the heck am I doing going to Immigration each year to conform to the law that says if I wish to stay over 90 days I MUST HAVE a residency visa of whatever is available (permanent no longer is, so we are stuck with #temp.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
17/09/2011 21:33

Come on BRS, tell us what you know¬

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
18/09/2011 07:23

Oh I get it, join the BRS or remain in the Mushroom Club. I had been considering joining the BRS, but no chance now after reading this thread.

Come on BRS, open up and spill the residency beans...

Geoff

Famagusta City

boerboel


Joined: 02/05/2009
Posts: 290

Message Posted:
18/09/2011 11:04

Msg 40 and 41. I think you will have a long wait for an answer from BRS, Colin has dug himself a very big hole by saying the situation is 'delicate' and will be having difficulty in coming up with a plausible reply. As with everything else here the answer that we all know is that "its not what you know but who you know" and probably the BRS committee do know the "who" to get a nice passport stamp that says Resident therefore removing the need to apply every one or two years.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/09/2011 22:56

Wish it were true boerboel. I have some mates in BRS but as far as I know they can't pull those strings - they don't exist. No perks even for BRS high-ups. come on Colin - up from the hole and tell all. Am I right or am I wrong?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:18

Won't anyone from BRS comment as to the truth on this, and Message No.1 could you explain what happened. Were you at Lefkosia to renew and someone said 'you don't have to' and then you ran away.

Please someone give us some facts here.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:45

Let's face it, it's all a joke anyway.



Why should people 60 and over get two years while under 60's only get one year?



Why are people 60 and over deemed not to be at risk for TB and God knows what else, while those under 60 are at risk?



How is it right that someone can turn up here 4 months ago, and be eligible for two years while others who have been here for 12-13 years still have to do it annually?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
25/09/2011 23:54

so what now remains - (a) can someone answer my questions, and (b) can someone answer newscoop questions.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 09:33

Looks like we are in for a long wait Marion.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 10:49

Obviously the questions were too difficult





Or awkward



Or 'DELICATE'

Warbabies


Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 165

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 11:02

A less 'Delphic' explanation from BRS is still awaited.

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 12:01

I can't believe that no one from BRS reads this site. Surely even if no one "from up high" reads this, a member could ask someone to answer out questions.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 20:25

Still no response?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 23:29

come on BRS! Put us out of our agony! What do you know that we don't. for my part, I will need convincing that there is any exception to the Residency Visa, as the inference is that over 60 and you can stay on beyond any Tourist visa expiration without getting in to trouble! Hmm. come on convince me, and all the others who are waiting with bated breath for a pronouncement.

Guess I will just have to e mail someone in the BRS, but I really can't believe no one reads this!

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 09:11

They want us to join up first.

cyprusairsoft



Joined: 22/06/2009
Posts: 2066

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 10:28

yes you do my mother is 84 she still has to have one

greengate8


Joined: 07/12/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 11:41

Having emailed 'colinbrs' - it would appear that so has everyone else, as the email was rejected as the mailbox at BRS was 'over quota'. At least they will know something is amiss....



Looks like we will have to wait for an answer!

stellasstar1



Joined: 02/07/2008
Posts: 1519

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 12:06

The Britsh Legion, said of course we need temporary residency whatever our ages.

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 12:16

Some people i know went to the uk for a few months and their visas will have expired while they are away. One of them is over 60 so i will see what happens when they return maybe they will get a fine.

Agobard


Joined: 20/08/2008
Posts: 271

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 15:46

Message 54: yes, of course you believe that your 84 year old mother still has to have residency. This is the whole point to this thread! What everybody wants to know is: where is the legal documentation that explains who does and does not need residency. We don't want to know that you or your mother have been told that she needs it - everybody has been told that when they are handing over money every year for their residency renewal. No point in troubling the BRS I fear - whatever information they have they are certainly not intending to hand it over to the lower orders who are not members of their organisation!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 16:38

Simple, if you do not renew your residency, you cease to be a legal resident....and depending on your financial situation, a potential Vagrant......... only joking

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/09/2011 19:18

Think we have to admit defeat on this subject;



Obviously too DELICATE to answer.

Babrew


Joined: 15/09/2010
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
13/10/2011 23:22

So after all this time BRS didnt answer.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
13/10/2011 23:44

I did manage to have a couple of seconds chat with Stephen Day on this matter, and his comments were to the order of 'It is a matter of respect. if you want to stay here then obey the law'. and what he didn't say outright but on what we both agreed is that if you have been here for the extent of a Tourist visa of say, 90 days, youhave two choices - get out, or apply for residency. No mdidle road.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 00:41

The newsheadling on Yahoo this evening was##



"No sex please, we're British - and over 60"







Turned out it was another UK Local Authority silly initiative - but for one horrible moment I thought this thread had hit the international headlines!

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 00:47

Nice one BizziLizzi!

Geoff


Joined: 25/06/2008
Posts: 1370

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 07:24

Nearly a month now since my earlier post No. 41 - and we are still deafened by the BRS silence. Clearly they have a death wish as an organisation.

Waste of time!

Geoff

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
21/10/2011 20:16

I was going to join the BRS tomorrow at Chateau Lambroosa but not now.

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
21/10/2011 21:22

The BRS do a good job if somone needs blood thanks mainly to nurseawful and DC.



Anything else, make your own mind up.