Hero's that remind us

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 20:50

...of what is was like way back when. I just watched Made in Dagenham, and what a sharp reminder it was too!

Our past is littered with extremely great people, right from day dot (circa Adam and Eve) and we talk about them all the time.



Who do you talk about now...who, in the present time, actually stirs passion in your conversations??



Over the centuries there has always been someone to look up to, to admire, and to thank...but so far, in the 2000's i have yet to be struck by someone who makes me want to stand up and shout for them!



Are we so jaded now, that the only people worth talking about and revering, are dead?? Surely not??



DD

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 21:14

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk for making Turkey what it is today.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 21:42

Rauf Raif Denktaş, the grandfather of the TRNC no other politician/president since has come close to emulating him. Here's hoping he recovers from his latest setback and can live the rest of his life in peace and happiness.

vonny


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Posts: 476

Message Posted:
20/09/2011 22:11

Aj,you are correct,they are both great men,



There isnt many great people you can look up to these days,but ive always admired,Bob Geldof.i think hes a very talented guy. a singer,songwriter,author and occasional actor,he lost his mother suddenly when he was 7.i liked the boomtown rats in the 70.s. hes done so much charity work,like live aid,also,hes bringing up his dead ex wife's and boyfriends daughter along with his other 3 daughters. and he never seems to moan about anything. sorry but i cannot think of 1 other person alive today ( apart from Denktas) that i admire

passionflower


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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 23:00

Wallace Hartley...Titanic

erolz


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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 23:22

Mohandas Karamchand (Mahatma) Gandhi

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 23:32

Maggie Thatcher....... No U-turns.



Chris

erolz


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Message Posted:
20/09/2011 23:32

btw I do know he is dead, but then so is one of Aj's



I think he is still relevant to today, despite no longer being amongst us. Colonalism may have ended but popular risingings to end 'tyranous' rule is very much 'today' and his message of non violent, non sectarian fearless passive resistance as a means to end either colonial rule or tyranical rule still seems a lesson that many could learn much from today but sadly to few seem to have. Yet.

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
20/09/2011 23:38

DD asked for modern day heroes;



Last I looked Gandhi, Ataturk, and Hartley, are no longer with us.



Geldof is a waste of space



Thatcher and Denktas are no longer (sadly active)



So are ther modern day people to look up to?



I think not.

Riddles


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Posts: 429

Message Posted:
20/09/2011 23:41

Samuel Johnson (UK) for his standardisation of spelling (e.g. 'Heroes') in 1775

erolz


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 00:25

You are right newscoop DD did say, in essensce, who alive and active today inspires the same kind of passion as the 'greats' of the past. In some ways it is an unfair question I think in that the lens of time changes the perception of the person and indeed allows such a change in many ways. The later day 'greats' mentioned were almost certainly not percived in the same way during their lifetimes as after them in many ways.



Having said that if I am forced to stick to the rules of 'alive and still active today' I would have to go with Noam Chomsky.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 06:52

Sir Richard Branson is probably the best example of 'just do it' alive today.

But real heroes are those that don the uniform of the Armed Services and put themselves in harms way... even if you don't agree with armed conflict you have to admire their courage.

BigMart


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 423

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 07:49

Bob Geldof !!!!!



Give me a break, people like him and Branson shouldn't be in the same league as our real heroes now serving in Afghanistan and those brave boys (and girls) who served in Iraq.



I think most of you ought to have a long hard think about what the word 'Hero' actually means.



A hero isn't someone who makes a shit load of money, that is just someone who makes money !



Standing by for the usual flack.



Martin.

daisy dukes


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Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 08:12

This is exactly what i mean...there really isn't anyone 'alive' and 'active' nowadays that stirs passion and intrigue. Where have all the heroes gone??



The last person that made me want to praise was Mandela...but even he seems to have faded into the background!



As humans, i believe that we need heroes...we need something to aspire to, we need causes that make us sit up and take notice!



So...where are they.....??



DD

Groucho



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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 08:17

BigMart, I agree with you... I didn't say Richard Branson was a 'hero'.. I named him as a prime example of someone who has an idea and just does it. I went on to say, much as you have, that real heroes are those who put them selves in harm's way for us and for little reward to boot!

You have to admit that Branson has an adventurous streak that most would baulk at fulfilling... Yes he's made shed loads of money but I actually believe him when he says that this is incidental and not his prime mover in business. Just because he's been successful is no reason to look down on him. I'd rather my children looked up to him than 'celebrities' that some of today's youth seem to idolise.

cyprusjoker


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Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 08:27

How can Mandela be a hero then not? You don't just not become a hero after being one. I'm with you BigMart. Daisy dukes all the heroes have gone to Iraq/Afghanistan etc, i'm sorry they don't stir your passion enough but they certainly do mine.

daisy dukes


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Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 08:32

Ever since time began there have been soldiers....and yes, they are heroes....if you consider doing what you are told to do heroic...however, to me, the hero is the soldier that stands up and says...NO, i will not kill innocent people! How many of them are there?



Tin hat on!



DD

jenny278


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Posts: 79

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 08:45

As far as I am concerned all our servicemen and women past and present who were/are willing to put thier lives at risk so we may have the freedom to express our views they count as heroes in my eyes.

TRNCVaughan


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Posts: 4578

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 08:49

If a soldier didn't want to risk killing "innocent" people, he shouldn't have joined the armed forces.

UK armed forces are all volunteers, not conscripts.

vonny


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Posts: 476

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 11:19

ok,i admit,Bob Geldof wasnt the ideal person to name but i was thinking of a person who was alive today,and done well,Richard Branson is another person but maybe they should be in a different category.yes i agree soldiers do a wonderful and brave job, but like vaughan said,they volunteered,

Carndi


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Posts: 613

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 11:36

The description ' hero ' has been devalued because it has been applied to pop stars, politicians, businessmen etc.

Use the description ' hero ' for those who wear the uniform of our armed forces, police, firefigjters who are prepared to lay down their lives for their country and for others. They are the true hero's.

Tenakoutou



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Posts: 4110

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 12:22

Settle down now - everyone, so far, has forgotten to mention our favourite Australian bard - if he's not a hero, he's certainly a legend!



If it wasn't for his 'subject matter', he'd be in line for a knighthood, for sure!



ENJOY...................



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3Dt9HVDac

BigMart


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 12:23

Nelson Mandella, prime example of 'one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.'



Strange how fashions change, talking of killing innocent people.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 15:21

He might be a volunteer but this sort of bravery is exceptional...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Croucher

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 15:26

Anyone who saves a life in a 'life or death' situation is a Hero.

BigMart


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 15:41

Groucho,



That is exactly what a true hero is, from a long line of heroes in the Royal Marines.

Try to get hold of a book called 'Man Down' by Mark Ormrod, also 40 Commando Royal Marines, what a truely fantastic read, if you don't have a tear in your eye at the end there must be something seriously wrong with you.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 18:09

From my own experience,it has to be these guys.. http://www.rnli.org.gg/

hattikins


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 18:51

I feel that Simon Weston must qualify as a modern hero, this young man went to war to fight for his country and returned home dreadfully disfigured. As a mother I cannot imagine what his family went through, for your young son to have suffered so much it must have been heartbreaking. Yet this young man has carried himself, and his injuries, with dignity and strength, he shows no bitterness and should be an inspiration to the young of today

BigMart


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 19:14

Quite right hattikins, even though the officer responsible for Simons injuries and the injuries and deaths of many of his fellow Welsh Guards has never been brought to justice. For those who don't know about the incident a Welsh Guards officer ignored the advice of a Royal Marines officer, who he said he outranked, and did not put his boys ashore but left them onboard as a easy target for the Argentinian airforce.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
21/09/2011 22:35

Give me a break, people like him and Branson shouldn't be in the same league as our real heroes now serving in Afghanistan and those brave boys (and girls) who served in Iraq.



Big Mart, the guy by my side is my 21 year old step grandson. Came back from his second tour of Afghanistan in April, still aged 20. Complete with scar from mine that blew his best mates leg off. I'd sooner he was on the dole than see him go back.

I've been to a mate's funeral today. Died in St Gemma's. His thoughts and reminisces that he committed to paper whilst he lay dying were read out in church, no regrets, no why me's. He's a hero to me, and the nearest he got to the military was 3 years working at the army and navy store, camping section.



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hattikins


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Message Posted:
21/09/2011 23:13

Tony, I know who Branson is but who is the other one you refer to, all of our servicemen are heros wherever they have served .

shrimp


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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 01:02

you only have to look at the firefighters on the eleventh of September how can we ever forget them...................so many unsung heroes.....................

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
22/09/2011 01:02

hattikins, the first paragraph of my post No 30 was copied and pasted from big marts post No 13.

He was referring to Bob Geldof. Never met the guy so wouldn't care to comment.



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BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 01:26

There are so many "unsung heros " in the armed forces, medical professions, fire brigade, police voluntary sector etc.



But the OP didnt actually mention the word "hero", I think she was talking about public figures ("let us now praise famous men" ) who inspired , influenced and led their people and/or made a mark on the world. Atatürk is a good example, and I am surprised the Brits didnt mention Churchill. On a different plane, Einstein, Shakespeare, Florence Nightingale, Mother Theresa .



But I have been trying since this thread started to think of one who is alive and currently active and I cant think of one!



Perhaps the current icons are televisio personalities, pop stars and footballers and we have lost the plot which might explain why the world is in the mess it is!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 03:10

Army / servicemen or women know what they are joining

kill or be killed

personally have more time for people

who raise money for charities

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
22/09/2011 07:06

BizziLizzi 'But the OP didnt actually mention the word "hero"'

I suggest that the thread title does indicate that we are looking for heroes here. However I do agree with the point you are making about the current cult of celebrity... it's really quite depressing when vacuous wannabes are touted as 'heroes'. The words hero and bravery are over-used to talk about sporting stars and the like too.

Phil, even though military personnel do join up voluntarily there are acts of selfless heroism way beyond most peoples' imagining...

martinD41


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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 08:41

I agree Gavin, I have always said that people looking for "Heroes"should take a trip to,





"Passiondale" 245,000 British troops Lost....



Battle of the "Somme"..20,000 British dead in the first day!

minertor



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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 09:51

msg 35.........................personally have more time for people



who raise money for charities



Today I'm visiting the estate of a good friend I grew up with on an East Leeds council estate, worked down the pit together but went in different directions in the mid seventies, though met up now and then. James (Jimi) William Heselden OBE, he reckoned it stood for "old bucket 'ead" He died in a tragic accident on 26th Sept. last year. In the last few years he donated over 25 million pounds to charity, mainly in Leeds and Help for Heroes". Camp Bastion in Afghanistan is named for the blast walls that have saved so many of our soldiers lives. Named after his firm, Hesco Bastion. After his untimely death he was made a freeman of the city of Leeds. His widow has opened a charity in his name with a massive donation. Is this the sort of hero you mean, because he certainly fits the bill

T



T

eyebob


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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 10:47

Just need to say one name, modern day hero, JOHNSON BEHARRY

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 11:16

Gordon Wilson





WHO???????



A great man...



>>Gordon Wilson held his daughter's hand as they lay trapped beneath a mountain of rubble. It was 1987, and he and Marie had been standing watching a peaceful Remembrance Day service in Enniskillen, Northern Ireland, when a terrorist bomb went off. The rescuers dug them out of the rubble and rushed them to hospital. But, by the end of the day, Marie and nine other people were dead.



A few hours after the bombing, when interviewed by the BBC, Gordon Wilson forgave the terrorists who had killed his daughter. He said that he would pray for them. He also begged that no-one took revenge for Marie's death. "That", he said, "will not bring her back." <<



http://www.cist.org.uk/pv/em/er2521.htm

newscoop


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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 19:29

James Heselden, Johnson Beharry, Gordon Wilson.



That's more like it, 9 out of 10 people on here are going back in time or promoting the likes of Branson and Geldof.



Could have been worse, at least no-ones gone for Bono.



I'll throw this one into the mix, Tim Berners Lee.



Without him we wouldn't be carrying out this exercise, and he didn't want or indeed make a penny out of the internet. Unlike Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc etc.

mikey53


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Posts: 91

Message Posted:
22/09/2011 20:18

6m's Before I read your post I was just going to chip in with just another throw away name ie; Sir Ranulph Fiennes visited both poles and at 65 climbed Everest finally on his 3rd attempt, however your post made me think would I, could I ever forgive any murdering cowardly bastards of any denomination in any cause who plant a bomb and scurry away to safety, leaving total mayhem to unfold at their hands, No, I'm not that person or any of the others who have done similar amazing things. Hats off to you all...

minertor



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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 22:34

In East Leeds, James Heselden is a legend, he deserves every recognition possible. The Leeds community fund has been renamed, The Jimbo Fund" due to his wife's donation. This is on top of the £25m he donated in the couple of years before his untimely death. Leeds are now looking for heroes to have statues beside the rest benches on the new cycle routes. As the East Leeds route passes through "our patch" I urge all that believe in fair play to vote for Jimi on: http://www.leeds.gov.uk/portraitbench

hope the link works



T

minertor



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Message Posted:
22/09/2011 23:38

ps James's son, Jason, is one of the biggest sponsors of Leeds Utd, note the "Hesco Bastion" hoardings, when we lose to such as Man. U, Arsenal, Middles fekit, cant we sponsor .......................anyone else.



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Jonesy299


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Posts: 367

Message Posted:
23/09/2011 00:34

Msg 35 - Phil.. in between tours and often during tours our selfless military personnel raise thousands and thousands of pounds for charity.



You understand that the term 'kill or be killed' hardly fits the brave bomb disposal work that our men and women do on behalf of their mates and the locals of the countries in which they serve - they are there to save life not take it. If you are ever fortunate to spend time in their company and talk to them you would probably regret saying what you said.



Heroes..every one of them.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
23/09/2011 00:58

All uk military service personal

get paid to do a job

what do they expect ?

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
23/09/2011 07:13

It seems i haven't perhaps made myself clear. Almost all of the above are dead, and in the past. Of course all emergency sevicemen and women, and soldiers are everyday heroes....(that goes without saying, and i mean no disrespect to not include them) but i'm more interested in the ones (if there are any) alive and kicking today and that stand alone.



Who, in this day and age is making the most difference...who makes you proud to be living in their time?





DD

Jonesy299


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Message Posted:
23/09/2011 17:11

Msg 46 - you may as well join the group that burns poppies on Rememberance Sunday. I shall be wearing mine with pride Mr Bailey along with the vast majority of the British public and ex pats alike.



To others - sorry you have to see such ugly comments on what was a light and honourable topic but I cannot stand by and let our service men and women be the subject of such scorn.

minertor



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Message Posted:
23/09/2011 18:02

Msg 46 - you may as well join the group that burns poppies on Rememberance Sunday. I shall be wearing mine with pride Mr Bailey along with the vast majority of the British public and ex pats alike.







To others - sorry you have to see such ugly comments on what was a light and honourable topic but I cannot stand by and let our service men and women be the subject of such scorn

Don't let it bother you, jonesy299, the world is full" Phil Baileys", unfortunately, but he is entitled to post his opinion, even if he is just voicing something he's heard and thought looked good. There'll be others, and we know who they are, best to give them the recognition they deserve, ignore them.



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trooper


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Message Posted:
23/09/2011 18:53

msge 26 - Big mart; rumour has it Mark was last seen on the bottom field working on his phys.....



when you remember the wasters who give up when things get a little rough he is an inspiration to us all

(well, almost all of us). He and Lance Armstrong (a cyclist not a bootie) are both top in my book.



By Horse, By Tram.



p.s. remind me to buy you a rum next time I see you.

Riddles


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Posts: 429

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 00:46

Richard III ....proud to 'bat for Yorkshire', rose to the top despite physical disabilities, last English king to die leading his troops .......

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 05:06

I stand by what I say

killing people in far off lands for oil is different to protecting

your home land



WW1 and WW2 are different

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 07:13

Phil,

No one is saying "killing people in far off lands for oil" is heroic, I'm sure most members of HM Forces would prefer it if our leaders did send them into situations based on financial expediency. However in spite of the circumstances of their deployment, acts of heroism often include saving lives with little regard to personal safety. If you bother to read the links to those who have received VC's and GC's above you will see that the acts of heroism had everything to do with protecting the lives of their comrades rather than a Gung-ho act of brutality towards innocents..

BigMart


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Posts: 423

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 07:46

philbailey,

what a load of crap you talk !



I would love to meet you face to face, perhaps you would like to attend our next Royal Marines reunion so you can tell us all what a loasd of baby killers we are.



I doubt that you've got the balls !

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 08:13

Come on guys, enough with the arguments.....play nice, this wasn't meant to get nasty....just a light hearted discussion......please?





DD

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 08:57

In terms of Leadership and Solidarity, this guy takes some beating..



http://www.openmarket.org/2009/09/04/un-declares-dictator-fidel-castro-world-hero-of-solidarity/

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 09:03

Close but no cigar!

daisy dukes


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Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
24/09/2011 18:30

WTF???????? Next they'l be giving Pablo Esacbar the Nobel Peace Prize!! Madness!!





DD

martinD41


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Message Posted:
24/09/2011 18:43

Well DD they praised Sir Douglas Haig after the Somme, and he only killed 20,000 British soldiers in one day....



In total 50,000 dead or wounded..It's still a "Record Breaker"

minertor



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Message Posted:
24/09/2011 23:45

msg 59..Well DD they praised Sir Douglas Haig after the Somme, and he only killed 20,000 British soldiers in one day....



At the end of that day, did the means justify the end?



We all languish in the freedom gained through others sacrifices. Why belittle those sacrifices by posting what we can't comprehend, those that dared, died.



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moxie


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Posts: 969

Message Posted:
25/09/2011 00:48

err my mum actually is my hero, a very close mate got his legs blown off last July in Afghanistan!, fighting for whoever ?hes cool about it , got married this year and walked down the aisle .





Branson dosent even come into it ..thats not a hero ...just plain rich ..to begin with ..and did well



if you join he forces.. its the job........! sad but true







DD what do u expect lol its full of arses??

martinD41


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 11:43

msg60, I'm not belittling the sacrifices, my Grand Father and his Brothers were amongst them..My point was, they praised Haig , and they should have Strung Him Up...The fact that you can't comprehend the "numbers" says little of your sympathies... "Those that dared died" no, those that were lied to by their "Generals" were Massacred............The Somme remains the single most " Heinous Military Miscalculation" in British History...

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
26/09/2011 16:06

Why belittle those sacrifices by posting what we can't comprehend,



MartinD41, where does it say anything about "numbers"?

What these men faced is what we can't comprehend, unless we were there.

Once again as soon as someone disagrees with you the insults start. Maybe you're an expert on miscalculations.



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martinD41


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 17:16

minertor...How can you construe the relating of facts as an insult ..I again simply pointed out that those revered as Heroes ,in some cases,are anything but, that's why Haig earned the nickname "Butcher Haig"...no insult to you intended.....And certainly not to the 900,000 British casualties of the 1914/18 Genocide...

minertor



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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 17:49

martinD41.The fact that you can't comprehend the "numbers" says little of your sympathies...



That's not insulting?

Mebbe I'm a mite touchy.

I had 6 brothers, 5 of them served in the armed forces. My father served during the war years, though his being born in 1904 most likely kept him away from the "front" He was in the Pioneer Corps.

My grandson, see my pic, is a serving soldier, having done two tours of Afghanistan.

I have a great nephew there now.

I googled Earl Douglas Haigh, after your comments. It wasn't until over 30 years after his death that the criticism of his methods first appeared. 20 years later most of these criticisms were believed to be unfounded, started by those who hated him. The casualties were believed to be commensurate with the tactics dictated by the time. That's according to wikipedia.

I haven't had time to form a personal opinion of Earl Haigh.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
26/09/2011 18:13

I have the utmost respect for any serving soldier, Volunteer or Conscripted,My post may have been a little hasty in it's wording, for which I apologise....I have studied all aspects of the "Battle of the Somme" ,as having lost relatives I felt compelled to study the said battle..There is no doubt in my mind,nor others who have studied the

Battle,that it was the most ill- conceived battle plan in British Military History...........



. http://www.historyman.co.uk/ww1/Somme.html