Gary robb court case in the south

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 11:39

He has just walked free from court.



All finished,case over.

Ralph96



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 12:17

Did he do anything wrong in the south?

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 12:19

Why am i not surprised?

martinD41


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 12:41

Having built houses in the TRNC with no legal owners, he has given the displaced GS land owners more reason to want their previously undeveloped land back ...:(

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 12:59

I think the judge must of realised it was yet another mistake made by a government in cahoots with the british government and just a show of flexing there muscles .



msg 2



I think no law was broken in the south ,so i suppose the outcome was the correct one !

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 13:03

Or maybe he could of got bail today

254smo


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 15:21

last seen on a bus to Amaranta

nurseawful



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 15:33

Just as a matter of interest, will he be allowed back into TRNC?



Chris

paddywack


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 15:43

When you consider how many lives he has ruined, it is surprising he is still alive.

juliamoons



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 15:47

Wow where did this information come from?

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 16:15

News is filtering through from the south , some is genuine and i think some is not so good to rely on.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 16:55

any advance on this ? .. The Courts closed a long time ago..



http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/main/92,1,283,0,22389-CYPRUS.aspx

andre 514


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 17:12

will this charade claw back one square millimeter of land in the trnc?

....or do I need it all "explained" to me yet again?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 17:32

Clearly you do..



It's a 'rump' RoC tactic to make those dealing in what is land property that is still legally owned by disenfranchised Cypriots think twice and make travel within the EU/EEA somewhat 'dangerous'.



It also re-highlights the on-going unsolved CY property issue.



Will it get back any land? Probably not.. but it certainly keeps the market quiet..

scruff


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 18:18

Msg 1

So, let's get this straight. So far all this is just speculation & hearsay.

Facts would be better.

andre 514


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 20:49

too right scruff...



be nice to know either way if this is yet another "damp squib"

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 21:20

andre 514 msg 13



I do not really understand the point you are making. Yes the case is hugely politicaly motivated, but surely you are not suggesting that the decision on if to prosecute someone depends on if you can 'recover' their offense or not ? What I mean is that you do not say of a bank robber, if we can recover the money stolen we will prosecute them and if we can not we will not.



As far as the RoC (public prosecutor) is concerned and offence has been comitted. That prosecuting the offender will in no way gain back land involved in the alledged offense does not mean they should not prosecute at all does it ?



This seems to be what you are suggesting in msg13 but perhaps I have misunderstood you ?

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 22:23

Erolz



In the UK now the ARA/soca are not so interested in the crime,they are going after the nest egg or honey pot ,the crime is not the issue any more that is why ARA was originally set up and then disbanded in 2007/2008 ,that is why now in most cases when ARA/soca go after the asset's of some one they deem a criminal they go the civil route and on the balance of probability where they do not have to prove the burden of proof of the crime,but with civil its much easier to go after the assets than to go for a conviction for some crime they think the person may have committed and is much easier to secure a freezing order on all of the persons assets,so the answer to your post 17 is yes now the crime is not so much the issue,the asetts of a person is much more important to go after and usally easier to gain a better result. Asett recovery agency was originally set up to strip the asetts from drug dealers and the like,but now its used in most criminal cases if a case for criminal

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 22:24

prosecution is to hard to prove.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 22:54

Walked free from court? All over?



http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/9274450.Former_nightclub_boss_Gary_Robb_jailed_over_Cyprus_property_fraud/

Groucho



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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 23:20

"While in Northern Cyprus, he set up a business building luxury villas, but it is said thousands of homes were left unfinished and British buyers left out of pocket."



Thousands? OK lots but surely thousands is a bit of an over-statement... still no point in letting the facts get in the way of a good story.

erolz


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 23:21

I guess I am still failing to make my point. It seemed to me that andre 514 was suggesting that the case should not have been brought becuase it will not result in one millimeter of land being returned. I do not understand that, if that was what he was suggesting. To me it is like suggesting prosecution for 'murder' or 'manslaughter' should not be done because doing so will not bring the dead person back to life. It is the connection between deciding to prosecute and if such can 'remedy' the offense that I am questioning, if that was what andre514 wasd saying. I see no connection between the two. The point of prosecution is not 'remedy' but 'punishment' and thus lack of possible 'remedy' does not consitution reason to not prosecuting as I see things.



The persuit of assets of those who have comitted an offense is a different thing entirely and not relevant to the point I was trying to make as I see it.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 23:24

"Police think that about 400 Britons were defrauded. Buyers have launched legal action through the British courts to recover their money"

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 23:27

Groucho (mess 21)



The article said dozens! perhaps you need your reading glasses



No1Doyen (mess 23)



You don't need your glasses!

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Message Posted:
27/09/2011 23:55

TRNCvictim



it says helping to sell dozens of luxury villas built illegally on Greek Cypriot land in the breakaway Turkish Cypriot north.



and it said



While in Northern Cyprus, he set up a business building luxury villas, but it is said thousands of homes were left unfinished and British buyers left out of pocket.



thousands. as 4ms would say.some one is being uneconomical with the facts/truths



message 22



sounds about right

Bradus


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 00:04

Still don't know what his sentence was. Surprised it was picked up by the Northern Echo rather than the Cypriot press.



How many sites did Robb leave unfinished or was involved in?

Bradus


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 00:39

10 months as he was full of remorse and swift to plead guilty.



http://wires.univision.com/english/article/2011-09-27/briton-convicted-in-cyprus-over-1

Bradus


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 00:42

and of course his apology and cooperation with police.



Who was it that said he'd sing like a canary?

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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 00:48

Knock knock !

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 07:27

me bradus, it was me. Full of remorse, swift to plead guilty and 10 months sentence - well well well, do you think he dfidn't warble ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 09:59

re 27 Bradus,



thanks for the link..it is interesting that the one from the CY Mail seems to differ re the time Robb spent on remand being taken into account..'your' article states:



"The Nicosia District Court handed down a 10-month jail sentence, nearly all of which he will have to serve after the authorities clarified that time during which he had already been held on remand in Britain and Cyprus would not count against it."



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/briton-jailed-north-property-case/20110928



In passing sentence, the Court said it took into consideration the time Robb had spent in detention “according to article 26 of the EU Council framework decision 2002/584/JHA” as well as the mitigating circumstances relating to the case, such as his admission of guilt, apologies and family circumstances."



Which only gores to show that you can never believe all one reads in newspapers ! :(

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 10:02

( cont) ..and that 'someone' seems to like starting threads that make outlandish predictions that end up bearing no relation to FACT ... ?!

R.C.T.Man.



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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 11:05

If you can log on to the North Cyprus Forum, you will see a story on Gary Robb.

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 11:42

Hi RCT



it is the from the CY mail and can be seen from my link in msg 31

DeaconB


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 11:44

Gary only has to sneak past SOCA now.

How much time off do you get for good behaviour in the ROC?

waddo


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 13:29

Oh, poor lad, 10 months (well maybe 8 then time off for better behavior than anyone else) to serve in Nicosia Nick, bit better than the Northern nick but still can't get out for a beer. Never mind his stotty cake and whelk parcels will be sent through to him under the EU Humanitarian Directive number ********.01 and he will be able to Skype his mates so what is new?



Just publicity for the South and a clean bill of wealth for the boy himself - now he can start all over again.

muttley


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 13:37

It's going to be a VERY long 10 months. He's not exactly going to be the most popular inmate in a Greek Cypriot jail.

Bradus


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 13:47

Nothing has been said regarding the financial penalty incurred. I suspect this is why he received such a short sentence for the many charges against him. We all know how money is the be all and end all in Cyprus, whether North or South. I suspect he has paid a very large sum of money as part of his sentence.



I suspect life in a ROC jail will be much tougher than in a British prison. I suspect it will be 10 months of hell.



Poor love!

DeaconB


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 14:11

If that charge was for the Amaranta area how many other similar charges could follow for other numerous plots of exchange land that he and others have built on now that a precedence seems to have been set?

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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 16:26

In jail he may well be ok

after all the took the money and did not provide houses

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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 20:28

10 months is only a poo and a shave

Bradus


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 22:17

What a strange phrase Omaintenance. Is it one used by the criminal fraternity?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 02:51

Where did all the money go ?

andre 514


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 12:36

erolz,



having been accused both of "rambling" and in some vague manner

wanting or not wanting a "settlement" ..I am guilty of abruptness



in a narrow sense mr robb was accused of crimes in the ROC

the underlying object is to reinforce notions of ownership, an ultimate

objective surely being to regain control of the north strip of cyprus



which as the wider issue, reminds me of the childrens' rhymne:



"all the king's horses and all the king's men,

couldn't put humpty together again"

andre 514


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 18:12

message 39:



precedent not precedence...



yes, in theory but in the grand-daddy of all precedents, the "orams" case

claimants were not only then referred to the IPC in future,

but for the first time the court opined that current owners have rights too

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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 18:32

Bradus, its an old saying, but Omaintenance is being very polite.

Jeannie


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 19:18

Sylvie, as in that other old well-known saying:



"Poo, shave or haircut"?



J

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philbailey


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Message Posted:
30/09/2011 03:54

This is different to the orams

andre 514


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Message Posted:
01/10/2011 02:46

phil,



yes in the sense that a dodgy developer is put on trial for crimes against the "owners"



yes in terms of the very feeble news coverage and basic lack of any interest overseas



yes in that that friend robb had a previous criminal intent unlike the orams pensioners

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/10/2011 08:57

Oh Dear, andre514



Your're 'rambling' AGAIN..



The Apostolides v Orams case was a civil action by an individual against an individual.. in the 'rump' RoC - it was done and dusted BEFORE the advent of the IPC..



NOW... IF there was such a case, any defendant could quote the IPC and IF a 'rump' RoC Court ruled against the defendant they would ( probably) be able to argue against any enforcement in a third EU nation.



TOTALLY different scenarios here..

andre 514


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Message Posted:
01/10/2011 13:49

msg. 50



not quite sure about the orams case being entirely done and dusted

since it did set a precedent albeit a hardly useable one



and there is the little matter of demolition and paying-up (not "yet")



...so when will aphostlides be "moving back in"?

philbailey


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Message Posted:
01/10/2011 19:24

Will they go after other uk nationals

selling property ?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
01/10/2011 19:31

re 51 andre514



1/ >>since it did set a precedent albeit a hardly useable one << PRECISELY .... !



2/ >>there is the little matter of demolition and paying-up<< I'm sure that the Orams can argue - if a follow-up then they vacated and weren't allowed to demolish.. I even think it would be suggested that 'compo' could 'addressed' -even, now by the IPC..



3/ >>..so when will ap[h??]ostlides be "moving back in"?<<



ER, there wasn't a house there..it would be a lemon grove, again, I suppose...?!

andre 514


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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 00:11

mark message 53



1/ so we agree on that then



2/ perhaps you'd want them to pay up ...and perhaps I don't,

but it seems to me that ROC legal and political considerations

do not want the serious antagonism of eu partner populations:

this why I feel more than ever that exchange property is safe

...while buying turkish title may not be, for other reasons



3/ apostilides (thanks) would in any normal situation expect to

take possession of "his" property...without any such possibility

it has little or no saleable value for an estate agent's window



oh gawd

Bradus


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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 13:41

His troubles are not over yet.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/2011/09/29/police-targeting-gary-robb-crime-proceeds-84229-29507583/#ixzz1ZbpLgMfs

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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 14:01

Message 42



you would know that very well wouldn't you,if that is the case!

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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 14:05

message 52



i think that would only be fair don't you ?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 21:19

Amanda



You are talking about Gary Robb being fair!



How are David's swimming pools looking? I'll bet there sparkling in colour?



And how is David's little Google is he dead or alive? (poor little mite)

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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 21:26

Trisha



Goggle is not little no more , i saw him last week .



All of the pools he cares for are looking beautiful thanks , i shall tell him you was asking , im sure he will be very pleased to know you was asking .



no i was not commenting on Gary Robb being fair



0 m

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 23:02

Amanda



Could you tell David, they can go after as many UK nationals selling property as they want to!



Just to be fair



A picture or two of Goggle? (could have sworn his name was Google) wouldn't go amiss either, It would be nice to know he's survived to adulthood after such a sad start in life!



Bradus (mess 55)



Gary Robb's troubles sadly continue.......................poor man :-( my hearts bleeds for him

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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 23:07

patrisha . im sure david will know how fair SOCA can be



slip of the finger love



google ,not goggle ,i was looking at some swimming goggles as i was typing



Just waiting for some photo links to be sent to me ,and they are just for you ,google in adulthood'ish

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Message Posted:
02/10/2011 23:55

message 60



on a lighter note trisha



Heres the photos you asked for as proof google is big and still very much alive ;)



http://s847.photobucket.com/albums/ab37/zerochlor/google%20getting%20bigger/



Sorry to go off topic