do children of TC born in europ have to do army

sylvie


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:00

to TC on the forum who may have experience it : i was wondering : do children of TC born in europ having an other nationality have to do the army even if they have done it in their birth country iand if they stay more than 3 month in cyprus ?

kbasat



Joined: 28/07/2011
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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:02

yes they do have to, TRNC do not recognize army service done in any other country, even turkey.



however, if they have lived outside of TRNC until age of 18, they can pay and do it for 1 month only.



Kemal

sylvie


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:05

how do they know if they are TC by the father ?

sylvie


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:05

how do they know if they are TC by the father ?

billyboy1


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:15

isnt it a "a conflict of interest" if someone has served in another countries army...



i know mine is not a child, but my ex husband, who lived in cyprus with me and became a citizen, did not have to do army service in TRNC cause he had served in british army...

sylvie


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:21

sorry billy.... was your husband TC by his father ?

sylvie


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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 21:27

IF YOU ASK FOR CITIZENSHIP I COULD UNDERSTAND BY IN THE CASE YOU KEEP YOUR NATIONALITY WHY SHOULD YOU DO THE ARMY BECAUSE YOUR FATHER IS TC ? WHEN MY HUSBAND CAME TO FRANCE,40 YEAR AGO AND WHEN HE ASK FOR CITIZENSHIP THEY DID ASK THE PROOF HE HAS DONE HIS ARMY IN HIS COUNTRY SO HE WASN T DUE TO DO IT IN FRANCE

kbasat



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Message Posted:
28/09/2011 23:59

@billiboy1, as far as I know, your ex husband's prior military career has nothing to do with his military requirement here, if you are not a TC, and you just become a citizen after 18 years of age, military is optional.



In northern cyprus, you do not even need to be a citizen to be required for military service. If your father is a TC, then you have 3 options: 1) can come to northern cyprus and do military here regularly (12-15 months), 2) if you lived outside of cyprus until age of 18, you can pay some lump sum(several thousand gbp) and do your army for 1 month, or 3) Live and work in another country until like 50 years old (I am not sure of the exact age, def. 40+), then you can visit cyprus for maximum of 90 days a year, and after you are old enough, you are exempt.



There are lots of details but this is the short summary.



How do they know if his father is a TC? his father's name will be written in his passport I guess...



I dont make the rules...



K.

InspironDream


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 00:54

So what if the person's father is non tc and mother is tc but not born in Cyprus (ie the persons grandparents on the mother side are cypriot born)?

Dimmock


Joined: 15/09/2011
Posts: 10

Message Posted:
29/09/2011 01:22

As I understand it, you only need to have one parent who is TC in order to be considered both as a TRNC citizen and eligible for military service...mother or father...it matters not.

http://www.mucahit.net/asal/askeralma_ENG.htm

elko2



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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 01:29

msg. 2, Kemal,

I am afraid you are wrong. If anybody with TC parentage has done army service abroad or is exempt from it, he is also exempt from army service here in TRNC. I know this for a fact unless the law has changed in the last twelve months which I don't think so. I can dig up the relevant legistlation for you if you like.

ismet

elko2



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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 01:37

Sorry, you are right Kemal. I have just looked it up and only those who bacame TRNC citizens later are exempt if they did it in their own country prior to becoming a TRNC citizen.

ismet

Brinsley


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 02:29

This could be a great subject for a song, suggested lyrics:-

A law then

A law somewhere

A law here and now

A law subject to who knows where or why

A law to screw you no matter what and when

A law to train you how to maim torture and kill

A law to bring in as much financial rewards for those in power



Richard

flowerfairy


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Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
29/09/2011 03:53

The way the world is at the moment, I think it would benefit most to be called up to do Army service.

I'm sure that most who have done their time come out more disciplined and more respectful.

sylvie


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Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
29/09/2011 09:57

in european passeport the parentage isn't written - just your name, surname ,date and place of birth, nationality and adresse !

sylvie


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:00

in european passeport the parentage isn't written - just your name, surname ,date and place of birth, nationality and adresse !

sylvie


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:02

elko2 - can you please explain me when you said kemal is wrong, then right ! to my question do children of father TC....... thanks because i heard s many story about it and i want to be sure of the subject

erolz


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:13

Male children of a TC father are liable for military service in the TRNC. If they only visit the TRNC periodically for upto 60 (or maybe 90 it changes) days a year then they can get a dispensation. If they wish to stay in the TRNC for longer than this period they will be required to do military service. How much they will have to do and fi they get 'buy out' options will depend on factors like if you were living in or out of Cyprus between ages of 15-18.



There is some information here



http://www.mucahit.net/asal/askeralma_ENG.htm

sylvie


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:24

erolz : so if i understand children of TC father who never stay to cyprus over 90 days do not have to do MS - but children , european nationality having their MS done in their country (where they live) if they want to come and stay more than 90 days have to do it !!!! they have done it in the country they are born and live -

erolz


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:24

Just to try and put the above into a real world example.



My father was TC and my mother is British. They moved ot the UK in 1958, my father as a British Citizen with UK passport. I was born in UK in 66 and lived there for first 35ish years of my life as a UK citizen.



After the age of 18 when I visted the TRNC I was required to visit the "ASAL ŞUBE" to get a dispensation letter that allowed me to stay 90 days within a 12 mont period without doing military service. If I had not got this or stayed over the time limit I would have been libale for military service.



When I came to live here permently about 8 years ago I was then liable for military service. Because I was born outside the TRNC and lived outside it past the age of 18, I had options. I could pay nothing and be liable to do 4 months (because I was over 31). I could pay 4000 sterling and od no service or pay 2000 and do one month service, which is what I did.



[cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:30

Sylvie - I do not know what the rules are re if having done military service in another country exempts you from military service obligations in the TRNC, other than what Kemal and Elko have written above already. I do know that when I was doing my service we had a Turkish national, who had married a TRNC lady and become a TRNC citizen and was required to do military service even though he had already done 18 months in Turkey already. That is in his case the his previous service in another country did not exempt him from TRNC service. However he was not a TRNC citizen by birth right, as any child of a TC mother or father is, so his situation is not comparable necessarily to those who are TRNC citizens by birth right.

soyelcin


Joined: 01/06/2009
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
29/09/2011 10:30

a few years back I helped a young man get his exemption papers. He had only come to Cyprus for a 2 week holiday with his family. It was the first time he had visited. His mother was only half Turkish but they still wanted him. it really frightened him, I don't think he will be back!

sylvie


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Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
29/09/2011 13:36

erolz : thanks so much for your comment - it is very clear to me now - encore merci !!!

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 18:13

To quote the regulation:



QUESTION 1. WHICH CITIZENS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR COMPULSORY MILITARY SERVICE ACCORDING TO THE T.R.N.C. CONSTITUTION?



ANSWER 1. ACCORDING TO THE T.R.N.C. CONSTITUTION EVERY T.R.N.C. CITIZEN IS ELIGIBLE FOR MILITARY SERVICE.



Where I come from EVERY has a distinct meaning. Are TC women not citizens? If they are citizens, how come they don't have to do service? There is no mention of any exemption for females in the regulation.



Perhaps Elko can elucidate.

Tango1


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Message Posted:
29/09/2011 18:20

I have a friend (English) who obtained a kimlick card to live here because his Grandmother was born here (but my friend was born and brought up in UK) When he applied for his kimlick card he was told that he would have to do at least one years service. HOWEVER, he had served with the Merchant Navy for a short period and with the Fire Service in the UK for a longer period. He had all the paper work to prove it plus letters from his former employers, as a result he didn't have to do any military service at all, nor buy his way out. This was just over two years ago and circumstances may have changed.