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LittleQueenie


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I have just been to The Botanical Gardens (on the road leading up to Ilgaz) I last went months ago and I wondered about the conditions the animals/birds live in there.



This time I noticed that the two puppies who were in a cage last time have now grown and are still in a cage, full of their poo, a bowl or dirty water, loads of stale bread and running alive with fleas.



I'm not sure what the animals and birds are there for? If the place is meant to attract people to look at these animals maybe they should be looked after a bit better



I felt sorry for the Duck trying to have a bath in an inch of water provided that is the 'saucer' part to a plant pot..



I just wondered as I've never heard anyone mention these animals before in the threads about animal welfare on Cyprus 44



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You are correct. The conditions for the animals is a disgrace. Will never go back there



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totally agree - the place is a disgrace and should be closed down immediately



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went there last week for the first time for a relaxing time and spent the time worrying about the birds in cages ....I didnt see puppies but then i didnt walk around as I knew I wouldnt like what I saw !doubt if i will go again ...theres enough heartache walking around the streets ,



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I feel much the same way, do I boycott the place or do I say something. If everyone complained maybe, just maybe, something would be done to improve the situation, especially if we threatened not to come again.



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Welcome to the TRNC where animal welfare is NOT on the agenda....KAR the local DOG /CAT rescue centre , are swamped with unwanted animals,and are no longer able, by their own admission to RESCUE animals ...What with trapping song birds, keeping animals in cages and lame attempts by some to help,this island in terms of animal welfare is an utter disgrace.And before you lot start on me I am not from UK ,thank God



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Does Guernsey have it's own passport then?



moxie


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msge 6...sit back and do nothing because thats the way it is??? or change it .., msge 1,2,3,4,5 do somethimg ..say something , its people who make changes...unfortunately i do not have transposrt to this place...it is nothing to do with KAR Martin !!its about a supposedly nice garden place...please people voice your worries...if we never challenge or educate them ,it wil not change, we must express our views on animal welfare...... where will it leave THESE Idiots??..dont let it continue..is there an entrance fee?

msge 5!!!! yes of course it will have an impact.......................look at how many barbaric things such as Whaling, Fur trade , Veal has become so outdated and emotive...stand up for your principles..say something , threaten them with legal action....it is actually illegal to keep an animal in unsatisfactory circumstances...hard to prove ...but dont let that defeat you....





btw Martin...im in total agreement , but we as inhabitants must try!!!!



rant over !



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Haven't been there for a long time but was quite shocked by the state of some of the animals in cages! There used to be a beautiful Dalmation there, stuck in a cage with a small bowl of dirty water and a crust of bread to eat! If I ever do go back, I will definitely say something. It's certainly not a selling point for the place!!!! There never used to be an entrance fee, you just pay to use the pool I think... and there's a cafe.



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It's just so sickening - it's beyond description.



And to realise that no regulatory body exists to monitor these 'Hell-holes' is heartbreaking and simply confirms the mentality of these heinous proprietors and, 'when the buck stops', the 'powers that be'.



I remember the Limassol zoo - too distressing to comment further on.................



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Moxie- I am saying something hence posting it on a forum lots of people read, I'm sure by myself I can't do anything but surely if lots of people complain they might do something?



Last time I went I did actually ask- were the animals for sale or what is the reason for them being in the cages.. They said no they are here for display. If they are for display reasons surely they should 'look' good!



I said that I might sneak back with wire cutters and let them all loose as I think they'd rather take their chances on the street.. They said that they have CCTV.. I'm still tempted



Surely they could at least de flea the dogs- they actually look 'spotted' they have so many on their coats!



I am going to contact the newspapers, who else can I write to about this?



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Msg11,

You could wait until the place is busy,then wade in with some serious verbal, it has been known to work here.



LittleQueenie


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Hi Paddywack,



Unfortunately the cages are kept near the front amongst some severely overgrown bushes and trees and the pool/restaurant/people can't be seen/heard from where the cages are!



Maybe I should go back and take some photos to post on line as a start



moxie


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Little queenie, maybe a visit from a vet ...i am willing to contribute for their time... Pertev maybe interested , someone in an official capacity maybe what is needed.He could advise them on how to look after the animals etc...he could maybe tell them that he will be doing spot checks.....and threten reporting them to the animal welfare society ,i again will be willing to help fund his time , what do you think, we could pay him handsomely !!



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photos will be a great idea , not sure i want to see these poor creatures, but in order to change things we must see consequences of these peoples actions.



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msg7 ..your question answered... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernsey_passport



LittleQueenie


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Moxie,



This sounds like a good idea- perhaps they are just ignorant and don't know how to look after them.



The birds seem to be in particularly bad condition, you can see by looking at their feathers. There is also a trio of miserable looking rabbits.. My friend pointed out the empty cages and we wondered if the animals inside had died



People need to go and have a look to see just how bad it is!



I am happy to come with you and the vet or contribute in anyway be it time or money- I dread to think what happens to them in the winter!



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The places is a charnel house for animals. The owners pride themselves on their love of animals and nature but they should be manhandled up to the cages and made to see what they and their staff are doing to the animals. Two years ago I went 4 days in one week and had a standup row with the then Manager, there were tears streaming down my face I was so angry and upset. Each time he said they would be cleaned and fed and each day they were just the same. On the last day I went, one of the pups had died, (obviously of starvation) and the other one was licking it's face. I was so upset I just ran out. Here, you cannot go on to someones private property to rescue an animal and believe me NO-ONE WILL CARE IF YOU REPORT IT, PARTICULARLY NOT THE POLICE. I too will contribute to having a Vet go there, but I can assure you the owners would send for the police and no Vet would risk losing their Licence. The "respectable" owners are evil.



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As has been stated on here, the indigenous population has no time for animal welfare.The best way is to

boycott such places,and hurt them financially.



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Perhaps an article in Cyprus Today or The Star, with photos, might help bring this organisation into well deserved disrepute

hurting them in their pockets as they appear to have no hearts !!!



moxie


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Tango what is a Charnel house ? .this is so frustarting, i will locate the tel no of animal welfare society here, if its still up and running ??



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So, is this the same place as in this link??



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/74976.asp



The link is saying about high drink prices



Tango1


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Msg.21 Moxie, A Charnel House is a medieval word and means a house or vault in which dead bodies or bones are piled. In other words these animals and birds are just dead bodies (but waiting to die). On another thread I was severely castigated by Ms Garnett because I suggested that in many cases dogs were better off on the street AND THIS IS A CASE IN POINT. At that time I could have come back with dozens of examples of cruelly abused animals in private hands but I didn't because no- one would believe me. NOW believe me because this is just one example.



To take photographs by one of the papers would be difficult, REMEMBER YOU ARE ON PRIVATE LAND. However it would not be impossible!!! Also remember these are influential people and have more "say" than dead or dying animals.



Is the "mad" peacock still there? To watch him was so sad. Kuskor should be involved with the birds but I don't know if they have been informed of the situation, erolz is the person who would know.



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thanks Tango...who are these peopl,e do they own other businesses? i would like to know, maybe someone will have a connection with them...its worth a try



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www.kuzeykibrishaykorder.com is the website for North Cyprus Society for the Protection of Animals.



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thats them .......Thanks westender



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ive just e mailed them , maybe we should all e mail them .......numbers count !!



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teL





NSCPA Emergency phone: 90 392 2275161 , 0533 869 0355 , 0533 851 5232



Tango1


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The Botanical Gardens, better known as Green Heights Park, Alsancak can be found on http://www.North Cyprus.net You can read all about the beautiful tranquil gardens and the birds and animals on display!! Makes interesting reading!! The owner is Mustafa (?) He loves his animals apparently. To make things worse (it didn't materialise fortunately) two years ago he was going to set up another "display", this time he was to have a working donkey going round and round driving a grinder to show how farms operated in "the olden days". This display was to entertain children and holiday makers in the Summer. The temperature reaches the upper 40's in the summer for gods sake!!! Utter cruelty.



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An article on http://www.essentialcyprus.com does say that there is a donkey & peacocks on site & we have often heard them, as our house is located nearby. Have only been once to the restaurant, some years back, the food was nice but the drinks were expensive, 7tl for a mediocre glass of wine even then.



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well just wrote a condemming post for them.........next is http://www.northcyprus.net .....



moxie


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go visit the site and leave a nice message !



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Used to live very close to this "garden" the smell was not good the sound of trapped animals can be heard from quite a distance, I very recently returned after dark (it was open)did not see any animals but did hear the sounds ,but I was unable to see anything. The owener/keeper /slaughterman. dose not change, drives a silver 4x4 toyota short guy with grey, dyed reddy brown hair shops in Eelese Supermarket.

As i said returned and the drink prices for brandy and lemonade plus a bottle of Carlsberg 20-00 ytls I will go back until he has gone and animals are looked after more thoughtfully.

VOTE WITH YOUR FEET GO ELSEWHERE.



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Please keep this at the top, it can't be allowed to get buried under other subject. Thanks.



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look at this



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We went last year. We did complain, and told them that people never should go into the place. What was the responce? A shrug of the shoulders and he garbled somthing about it chainging later in the year, never been back and never will.



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has anyone contacted the news paper ?



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I don't know who you can contact. With the best will in the world Cyprus Today will not do anything that means upsetting any local with a bit of "clout" They'll report poison on the streets and things like that, but get them to name names and you're on a loser, particularly as they would have to go on to private land to see for themselves what people are talking about. Whether it's self-censorship or what I don't know!!



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ok ................so maybe we need to look further afield? ....can the owners name not be put here? im curious as to who he isMy husband is Cypriot and knows many people ..long shot but you never know ?? i can send my e mail add to any one who does know his name/business etc



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Hi,



Sorry I have been absent from the forum- the Peacock is still there (with a Pea Hen and some other small birds that can't fly and are driven from one side of the tiny cage to the other by the Peacock who obviously does not want them sharing!)



There are more Peacock feathers on the floor than in its 'tail'..



Also when I previously went it seemed to be a school outing at the Pool area- so if schools think this is a good place to take children it is a bit worrying



The owner clearly doesn't love animals..



I am going to take photos this week I did take some the other day on my phone but they weren't good.. If you are discreet it is quite easy as no one else is near the cages, I heard a few people walk past moaning about the smell but it is so overgrown you have to go through bushes to actually encounter the cages



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Msg.40 Let us know when you have been or whether you want anyone to go with you OK? We can then go with photos to another paper or just maybe C2D try and get something done. I understand there are references to this place on the web where the owners are mentioned.



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dont give up .......thats a great offer Tango, keep this at the top !



LittleQueenie


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Hi Tango1



I'm not going to say when I am going in case the owners reading this and decides to patrol the area (he loves them after all).. I have someone to go with but thanks for the offer



Moxie did you speak to a vet?



I will put the photos on Photobucket once I have them



LittleQueenie


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http://essentialcyprus.com/green-heights-botanical-gardens-north-cyprus/



Looked a lot brighter 2 years ago but I notice they don't show all the caged animals. The whole place is a mess now actually



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Came across this post by accident but extremely interested to read all the comments. Like all of you, I was very saddened to see the poor housing of the animals and I was amazed to find two dogs in a a cage, too. It is upsetting to see dirty water and feeding bowls and such limited space for those beautiful creatures. The gardens would do much better without having this small display of birds and animals; why have it anyway? It certainly isn't an attraction and I'm sure lots of people will seek other venues for a swim and food once they have walked down the path between the cages.



I am happy to support any action that is thought best.



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I visited this place just the once and after seeing the condition of the animals kept there swore that I would never go in there again - but every Sunday you cannot get near the place for parked cars so obviously it is popular which I cant understand - what kind of people want to go & see that kind of thing is beyond me let alone the smell !!!!



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You will find that probably 95% of the people there on a Sunday are locals and it is popular with London Cyps I believe. The former won't be in the slightest bit interested in the welfare of the animals on "display". I'm still trying to dig out the names of the owners - I'm sure a saw it yonks ago in a large coloured article - maybe it was a very early Living Mag?



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i have e mailed Pet cross explaining the situation , i felt it better to write in case they were busy etc...will keep you posted



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Isn't the web a wonderful thing? The name of the owner is clear in an article in Essential Cyprus. It shows what the place was like when it was pristine.



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of course i see it now, Mr Aga......i will see if i can find out more



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I am away till next week due to unforeseen circumstances, i check back this evening how has this disappeared off the thread list? Moxie and Tango 1 we must press forward with this



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Check out their write up here ► http://essentialcyprus.com/green-heights-botanical-gardens-north-cyprus/



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Keep this thread going please! I have never been there because someone told me about the sad state of the animals. I do hope you get some response from the vet. Good luck with your campaign.



Pam



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Hi Linda,







We have posted your comment but have moderated it a bit Ė sorry but we canít really pass through stuff that is inflammatory, but have made it more of a concern comment. We are upset that animals are being kept in these kinds of conditions and that something should be done if thatís the case. We wish you all the best in bringing it peopleís attention.







Thanks, Ed



This is the e mail i received after i posted a comment , which i can see has been tamed quite a bit, i have written back to them , asking why they are not willing to bring it to peoples attention , via honest comments?? and why they publicise this place at all!!



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also e mailed Pet Cross, asking for assistance , offering a fee of their choice, no reply !!!



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i visited there because some visitors told me how wonderful it was and were shocked that I had never been ....

...so I did !couldnt see what was so wonderful about it but thought I must be the odd one !

glad to hear there are other people that worry about the conditions , perhaps something will get done about it now ?



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also wrote to Kibris society for protection of animals ...9 days ago , no reply.......any more ideas anyone?



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Moxie, by and large the Kibris society is totally and utterly useless and spineless. They just like little fluffy animals not dirty smelly animals which give the place a bad name. They talk a lot and do nothing. An article needs to get into TC paper, but they won't criticise one of their own. Losing face is not an option here.



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ok so ...anyone got a number of someone in the papers ? Turkish or English i can do both



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Hi All



As soon as I return I will try to help as much as possible



I am glad there has been so much interest as it really is a sad situation



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When Little Queenie gets back I suggest that 3 or 4 ( more would be useful!!) of us get together face to face and come up with a strategy that is going to work. OK?



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ok , lets keep this at the top , for all to see and maybe get some helpful suggestions?



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I went there yesterday and was truly horrified by what I saw. My suggestions are as follows......as many forum members as possible who are serious about doing something to change life for these birds and animals arrange to meet at the gardens on a preset date and time. We then ask to see the manager or someone in authority there. You can just walk in, there are no locks on the gates during daytime opening. We explain that we are concerned for the welfare of these birds etc and want to help him to improve conditions for them in order to attract more tourists. I for one am willing to bring new water bowls for all the cages as the ones now in use are totally unsuitable and filthy, also I would be happy to buy a large bag of dry food for the dogs, it is obvious they are not fed correctly due to white faeces in the cage . We suggest that we are willing to fund a visit by a vet or alternatively at least ask if we can take the dogs to the vets at our cost and get them treated for fleas etc.



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that sounds like a good idea, do you mean that maybe a volunteer group would visit, maybe walk the dogs , clean out cages etc, build new enclosures? educate the people there? probably better than storming in and having a go , as i probably would after all , education is what is needed, they would only get more animals if we liberated them lol.........im in for helping to fund this ....any more suggestions ?



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So what do you all think? If we played it right and tried to show that we want to help rather than criticise he might be willing to allow us some access. After all everything we are likely to offer him can only be positive and improve matters for our own peace of mind and for the viewing of his customers. Please email me jackywilson@hotmail.com or phone me on 0533 8674699 if you want to join me in easing the plight of these creatures. The more the merrier so the owner can see there are a number of concerned people. I have a friend who works for Cyprus Today and he is talking to staff there to see whether they are able to become involved and if so at what stage might be best, possibly to follow up after our visit rather than before so as not to antagonise an already delicate situation.



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So what do you all think? If we played it right and tried to show that we want to help rather than criticise he might be willing to allow us some access. After all everything we are likely to offer him can only be positive and improve matters for our own peace of mind and for the viewing of his customers. Please email me jackywilson@hotmail.com or phone me on 0533 8674699 if you want to join me in easing the plight of these creatures. The more the merrier so the owner can see there are a number of concerned people. I have a friend who works for Cyprus Today and he is talking to staff there to see whether they are able to become involved and if so at what stage might be best, possibly to follow up after our visit rather than before so as not to antagonise an already delicate situation.



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Yes I am looking for volunteers to help me on the initial approach and so as not to waste a visit, as time is precious to all, to see what we can achieve whilst we are there.



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In will e mail you ....you are correct, in that we should not antogonise before we have approached them ...sorry but im a bit agtressive when it comes to animal welfare..............:( good to have some level heads lol



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We need to get the owner involved though don't we, NOT the staff, they don't care a monkeys. Is there any chance of one of the TC Vets coming with us or at least a fluent Turkish speaker. For reasons I won't go into here I'm going to busy (about 9 hours a day), could be as soon as next week, but I do want to be involved. Could make this Saturday or Sunday pm (it'll be full of locals then - maybe a good thing)?



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Sundays is usually a busy day with locals present, I believe they hold wedding parties there.



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Mr Aga, been trying to find his contact details on line..no luck , does he own a restaurant , shop ???? Sunday sounds like a good day to me !!! ok slap me down .....joke.......you have said he is well known.....i cant find any trace of him ?



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how many people are up for this?



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I'll be there on Sunday from 12.30 if that's OK, but come on everyone, don't leave it down to 4 or 5 of us, please. The more the merrier, strength in numbers etc., etc.,!!



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is littlequeenie back yet? is a vet needed for this visit?



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I am happy to meet there on Sunday at 12.30pm but so far it is only you Tango 1, Moxie and me that are definitely up for it....what about you Westender? Is there anyone else......please support us......it is so often on here that people complain but when it comes to doing something they are not prepared to get involved. This is a really good cause and I believe if we are tactful we can really achieve something here without a huge amount of effort. As far as getting a vet to come with us, I think that on the first visit this may not be the wisest move as we do need to get the owner on our side first and not upset him too much, then maybe he will feel more comfortable with us being there. I don't want him to think we are taking over, but hopefully in a better position to co-operate if we approach him from the right angle. How does everyone else see it?



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will the owner be there?



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I have no idea, I am hoping if there is any day he is likely to be there it may well be Sunday if Turkish Cypriot families seem to frequent the place on Sundays. If not then we can ask the staff to call him and ask him to come or do you think we should phone in advance and ask for him to be there saying we have a proposition for him to consider. I am open to suggestions about the best way to handle the situation.



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if we go and it turns out that he isnt there, we will be talking to people who have no say , or dont care, maybe requesting a meeting would be good, just saying that we have a proposition to enhance his customers experience ??if we speak to staff first , Mr Aga will get the heads up and maybe avoid a meeting.............im really not sure....or just go for a looksie and see if he is there first?



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I would be more than happy to support you, but am in the UK for the forseeable future as husband unable to fly at the moment. Hope to be able to come out fairly soon as soon as he gets the all clear from his consultant.

I'm sorry I'm not too much help to you at the moment.



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Moxie, perhaps we should just go on Sunday meet up in the car park and play it by ear. The staff must have access to the cages and if he is not there and also refuses to come and meet us whilst we are there then all we can do is request to be allowed to put bowls with fresh water in cages and leave the dog food and vegetables for the rabbits. I doubt the staff would try and stop us. We could then arrange a meeting with Mr Aga in the near future and a follow up visit to see how things are progressing.



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Have you seen the post by HAMISH??





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/76053.asp



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Moxie...I have just read it....despite the fact that I have bought all the new bowls now, a bag of dry dog food and some veggies for the rabbits. I think perhaps we should call off the visit this Sunday until I can speak to someone from KAR and ask their advice. I certainly don't want to step on their toes! But maybe I can donate the drinking bowls anyway, I will see what Kar says first.

I hope you read this post Tango 1, I don't want you to have a wasted journey on Sunday, we will have to see how my conversation with Kar goes and I will post the outcome.



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ok hideaway,at least its a start, lets see what unfolds in the coming weeks , good to hear that is has been looked into



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O'h well, I shall just sit back and wait.



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i know Tango , its a bit frustrating....we can of course, as individuals pop along for a peek in visitor mode as opposed to inspection mode, to see if any changes have been made, maybe some pics of the animals, so we all can identify them in future visits, IE, same dogs? And report our findings to KAR /44......



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Don't worry Moxie, I will be wandering up there are on an irregular basis.The business of the birds still needs to be sorted out though.



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Thanks for your support Moxie and Tango 1, I have been unable to speak to the right person at Kar yet but will inform you of the outcome as soon as I do.



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