KAR accused employee

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 15:00

Anyone know what the outcome was regarding the alledged drink driving of the KAR employee?

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 15:04

I would imagine they were asked for a donation...

dynamicduo


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 66

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 15:16

Think you will find a GAGGING order on that little event. Not a word since the KAR A.G.M. Remember that great song from 1968 .......Hush not a Word from Mary (or something like that)

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 15:22

@ msg 1: if I really want to know something from the source I usually call or email the source - instead of starting another potentially damaging thread on the same subject. Idea?

muadib


Joined: 19/11/2010
Posts: 74

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 15:30

Didn't someone say that they were going to the AGM and would report back with the outcome

theparson


Joined: 28/05/2011
Posts: 129

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 19:55

Yes that was me........................

An announcement was made after the AGM by the chair which stated that an enquiry was being undertaken and once complete, the resulting report could be read by KAR members at their offices in Girne.

To date I have not had chance to visit and read the report, but I am advised that I cannot obtain a copy, nor can I discuss the matter outside of their office.

So even if I knew the outcome I would not be allowed to tell you.

Sorry about that but as they say....rules are rules.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 21:15

So if I understand what "theparson" says, it is only members of KAR who are allowed to know the outcome and they are not allowed to discuss it. Have KAR affiliated themselves with Freemasonary? They are not a secrete society but a society with secretes.



DC if I had gone to the source then I would still be none the wiser, so I cannot see how this thread can be construed as potentially damaging.



Is anyone willing to risk the wrath of KAR and let us all know whether we should swerve if we see a KAR car coming towards us.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 21:35

Disiplinary procedures between employees and employers are confidental and should be. You either trust KAR to handle the matter properly or you do not, but demanding that they make public here the results of their internal dispilinary procedures against a specific indivdual employee is not reasonable at all and is not fair to KAR or the indivdual concerned. If you do not trust that KAR have handled the matter properly then the correct thing to do would be to raise this as an issue with KAR themselves first.



Talking about the way KAR handle such things in general terms is one thing. Demanding that the results of a specific internal procedure involving a specific indivdual is posted here on this forum is another thing entirely and in my view is not a reasoanable demand or expectation and would be a breach of KAR's duty and responsibility to it's employees, even those who may have been in breach of codes of conduct.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 21:38

@ msg 7, Mr Vince: (...) DC if I had gone to the source then I would still be none the wiser, so I cannot see how this thread can be construed as potentially damaging (...)



Mr Vince, it raises the question about your (healthy?) interest in the "problem". Are you a member and concerned? If not, why do you raise the question at all? Leave it up to the members. *



* I paid to be a life-time member.

Earlybird


Joined: 28/04/2009
Posts: 816

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 21:44

I paid to be a life member as well and trust them to have dealt with this issue in the correct manner.

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 22:07

Msg.8 is absolutely right. Why should the results of an internal disciplinary proceedure be published on this Forum. This was a confidential matter between the person concerned and the Executive Committee of KAR and it is unbecoming of anyone to demand to know the results of the investigation. I suggest you trust the integrity of the people on the Committee let them get on with the job.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 22:07

@ msg 10, Earlybird: Right. You say it in the English language the way I ought to have done it. So: I agree.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 22:10

This issue was raised on a public forum and generated considerable interest, however the answer to the original thread has never been revealed.



I am not a member of KAR but I do have a healthy interest in this outcome.



The alleged offence was carried out outwith, I believe, KAR normal working hours and in a public place, therefore the question raised is in the public interest. Why is the outcome being restricted to members only with instructions not to discuss the outcome outwith the KAR offices?



If the issue has been dealt with in a proper manner then let us all into the secrete.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 22:15

@ msg 11: Exactly. I do not agree with all policies of KAR, but after almost eight years in TRNC criticism and "interest" of outsiders has become rather annoying. Visit the AGM or hold your tongue. Or check the source.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 22:58

I am not a member of KAR - I do not agree with all their policies and I have little time or money to spare after, among other things, caring for stray dogs direct. However Ido support certain of their endeavours (particularly campain against poison) and have given donations or lent personal support.



KAR rely on donations from the public. Anyone who contributes to a Charity has a right to proof that their contribution is being directed to the purpose for which the money was collected. Righly or wrongly the fact is this issue has become public knowledge and the public may lose confidence if it appears to be covered up.



KAR should issue a statement of their policy for both volunteers and employees in these circumstances and without going into personal details confirm either that it has been followed in this case or explain if not why not - e.g. facts misinterpreted or exenuating circumstances.



cont.............

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 23:06

cont............



Even importantly KAR is a Charity mainy administered and supported by expatriates. If they bring themselves into disrepute they cast a shaddow on all Charities . particularly those involving expatriaes and do the entire expatriate population a disservice, at a time when goodwill to the expatriae community is at an all time low.



I know and understand and sympathise with the difficulties under which KAR work (have experience of another myself). but Charities have to be Ceaser's wife - above suspicion - and the perceived attitude of KAR is that in various aspects they can be a law unto themselves and ignore the genuine concerns of prospective supporters. I have met this attitude in discussions with them on other issues which I did not (and do not) feel approriate to make public at this time.

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 23:13

Msg 11 Hear Hear !!

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 23:15

KAR have made a statment, they made it at their AGM, at which any member of the public can attend. An investigation was conducted. Details of the results of that will be made to members in an appropriate manner and under appropriate conditions.



What KAR does not have to do is make a public statement HERE about the specifics of this indivdual case in response to semi anonnymous posters.



KAR has procedures for dealing with such cases. These procedures have been used. The results of such are NOT public domain and for good reasons. KAR should be and is accounatable to its members and it is but it also has duties and responsibilites to it's employees as well. There is a process for dealing with the incident and a process for providing information about the results of that to those who have a valid reason to know and with limits in order to also protect the rights of their employees.



Those with concerns should address them to KAR and not via a foum like this.

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 23:24

What would be damaging to KAR would be for it to publish here on a public forum the results of a confidental private internal investigation of an employee, with no regard for the rights of that employee under pressure from semi annonymous posters.



A balance has to be struck between the rights of employees and volunters to privacy and the need for KAR to be accountable. The blanace is, information will be provided to those who go in person to seek it and who are members but under certain conditions. This is entirely reasonable. To demand that they abandon the rights of their employees and volunter's to satisfy the 'baying' of the 'pack' here is entirely unreasonable in my opinion.

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
01/10/2011 23:26

I couldn't agree more erolz.

fiendishpaul


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Posts: 1720

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 10:06

Well said Erolz.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 10:23

I agree erolz well said.

tonyanita



Joined: 13/02/2007
Posts: 25

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 10:39

I totally agree with Erolz and hope, for the employee's sake, that this topic can now come to an end.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 10:45

Your avin a giraffe.



It's not got to the name yet so how can it come to an end.



It's a dogs life sometimes but somebody needs to take the lead!!

spangles


Joined: 22/10/2008
Posts: 411

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 11:04

Well said erolz

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 11:16

Unfortunately there are people on this Forum who have nothing better to do with their limited intelligence but than to continually stir up trouble for the want of something better to do. Erolz has encapsulated the thoughts of those who are aware of the circumstances.



The care of the animals should be on the forefront of peoples minds, not this continual witch hunt that certain people, for reasons that the rest of us can only guess at, seem to want to perpetuate.



Provided there isn't a similar occurence, please let this drop and start putting the animals first. Thank you.

stubbs1


Joined: 07/08/2011
Posts: 174

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 11:46

Yes lets put the animals first. But not infront of you know who!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 11:49

Mr Vince "I am not a member of KAR but I do have a healthy interest in this outcome."

I think you'll find most people think your fascination with this subject is anything but healthy.

Move along... there's nothing to see here.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 12:32

I wish this thread would end whilst agreeing whole heartedly with the comments of Erolz and Tango1. The KAR, do not have the powers of the Police, and have publicly confirmed that they immediately acted within the provisions of employer/employee rules and it properly follows that further comment by them would be inappropriate or perhaps unlawful. Yes, put the animals first but the volunteers also. I happen to live next door to one and her selfless devotion to animals and assistance to owners where possible is on a par with MotherTeresa. Exhausting hours day and night in all weathers taking aid to animals in need and attending supermarkets and functions to raise funds. My animals seem to sense this as whilst they are not in need they follow my neighbour like the Pied Piper and worship her. KAR do not have the funds for a Max Clifford to fend off criticism so I wish that everybody would have the same sound instincts as my pets.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
02/10/2011 12:43

This thread is now closed. Reason: Thread was addressed and no need for further posts.