stray dogs nearly killed my husband

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 15:54

at 6am this morning while my husband was on his way to work on the Girne to Lefkosa road two dogs ran out of no where and my husband steered away not to hit them and ended up in a ditch at the side of the road if it wasnt for a rock in the way the car would have toppled over. he is ok luckly just a few bumps and bruses. but the car is in a right mess he hit a tree head on. im sorry to upset you animal lovers out there but do not care for dogs never have and think some thing should be done before someone does get killed. there are too many stary dog on this island.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:07

How awfull, thank god your husband is ok, I am a great animal lover but N.C has far too many stray's and I agree something should be done.

craig2536


Joined: 09/06/2007
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:13

Sorry hope all works out for you. Thank god your husband is ok. I agree thay something should be done regarding the strays, I disagree completely with KARS policy of re releasing dogs and cats onto the streets. The animals inveriably lead a terrible, dangerous and uncertain life. Often dying horrible deaths by starving, being poisoned or being hit by the traffic. Sorry to upset some people but unfortunately some should be humanely destroyed.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:17

the council ain't interested....



Craig - the problem with KAR is that they don't have the room for any more dogs - it's a crying shame - they are doing their best but are in a very very dificult position.....

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:20

i agree completely if they are not running into roads they are chasing you down the street trying to bite you. im so sick of it i cant walk any where. something seriously needs to be done a quickly. i felt so sick to think my husband could have lost his life for a sake of a dogs. we are very shook up about this but he will be fine.

rosie123


Joined: 26/05/2008
Posts: 70

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:26

Nemika

Good job the rock was there,and the tree,and that he was not speeding,thank god it was not children,they tend to run out into the road without looking

brandy sour


Joined: 09/04/2008
Posts: 310

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:27

If there is that many stray dogs in NC then they should be rounded up and put down humanly at a vets before someone gets killed

craig2536


Joined: 09/06/2007
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:33

yes I know nick , its a terrible shame, thats why some of the sicker and weaker dogs should be put down not released on the streets, how much money does it cost KAR to follow there existing policy, how much are their vet bills.I think places like Battersea Dogs home in the Uk do a fantastic job and my own family have rehomed at least 10 dogs in the last forty years, all mongrels but all great pets. Is it better to see these poor creatures after they have been hit by a car and left to suffer. Sorry but the animals once taken to a sanctuary should never be released backto the streets to fend for themselves.

scampy



Joined: 15/01/2008
Posts: 982

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:34

Nemika its Georgina, tanyol told me this morning, hope your husband is ok. lots of love. x x

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:38

Swerving to avoid a dog, as Nige will attest, is a mugs game...



Chances are they'll move and you'll swerve into them.....



I heard the other day (BBC World Service) that it is man's natural instinctive reaction to swerve to the left and this is why the injury rate for countries that drive on the left is less than ones who drive on the right where swerving left would cause a head-on collision... Of course if the driver coming the other way is a mad cypriot nothing's going to save you.... ;¬)

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:44

How come these dogs have learnt how to drive?



Is this a wise policy letting stray dogs drive cars?



KAR must be barking mad!



Lem

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 16:55

Why does everyone say that something should be done about a problem but do absolutely NOTHING to help.

The KAR centre are desparately in need of volunteers but no one volunteers, and need more money to help feed the animals, and pay for vets bills.

Its always the same few that do all the hard work so before you criticise please try and help, even with a small donation.

Michael

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:07

I am a dog lover, always had one. So it is difficult to say this but the only thing to do in TRNC is humanely cut down the number of strays. In the Uk we barely keep up with re-homing strays. In the south there is also a huge problem and there are far more of us soft brits to take them in there. My friends in Pathos now have 4 dogs and 2 cats. Every time they go to the home, who also look after them when my pals are away, they come back with another one.

In TRNC there are not enough people to take these poor animals into a good home. So is it more humane to send them out as an earlier post, to die from poisoning or under the wheels of a truck, or from lack of food?

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:14

breezy,



The majority of brits over here are here for an easy life so adopting a stray is the last thing they want to do....



Kar are doing a great job, but i sometimes think it's like them walking into the sea and expecting them to stop the waves with their bare hands.....



Even if they put to sleep every animal in their care (and i'm not for one minute suggesting they do !) - they'd have the same over crowding within a couple of years.



I take my hat off to them....



Nick.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:15

Nemika



I wish your hubby well if I can help in any way or you need transport till you get sorted please do get in touch.

craig2536


Joined: 09/06/2007
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:20

I do and have donated to Kar. I am in there shop every week buying books I read them and then go back and put them on their shelves to be sold again. I have also donated cash and food at lemar. It is not a question of always money, its is a problem of policy. The policy of releasing animals back onto the streets is not the answer. I am not critizising the work that they do, they do it with a passion and a belief. I believe that they must re think the policy of release of strays. It is not possible in this country to carry on as they do. I firmly believe they are adding to the problem by their releasing of stray animals.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:21

Shoot them all !!!



Not just the irresponsible "animal loving" ex owners but sadly the dogs as well.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:40

I am glad that there are some posters who agree with me, I love animals dearly, at the moment I have 3 dogs, 2 belonging to farmers who stay with me and one that has been abandoned and is badly injured...these poor souls roaming the streets need to be put down, they have no life, no hope and no future, and they are a major problem...KAR's policy of castration and neutering is good but not putting them back on the street, there needs to be a mass culling, it would be doing these poor dogs a favour!



Instead of spending donations of which I am a giver on food, use the money for euthanasia...



Nemika, I am happy to hear your husband is not badly injured and please do not apologise for not being a dog lover..at least you are honest.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:48

deecyprus

don't you ever listen, you keep bleating on and on that KAR should put the strays down. they are NOT in a position to carry out this act and the vets over here who have the means to put down animals WILL NOT put down strays. How many times do you have to be told this, you are becoming extremely boring.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 17:51

Quarmby are you sure of your facts that no vet here would put a stray dog down, I think you will find you are wrong!! boring as that may be to you

CJtill


Joined: 02/05/2008
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 18:03

Craig...great keep the help coming, if only half the people who use Lemar made a donation at The Supermarket Beg then the problem would be eased.

As for mass culling and euthenasia, I thought someone had posted on the Taxi Driver thread at first.

All I can say is if you want to change the KAR policy then become a life member, attend the AGM and other meetings and cast you vote accordingly.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 18:08

deecyprus

please reveal the vets who will do this.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 18:29

I don't think you have the right to ask me to do that.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 19:36

Its no time to be hiding in the closet

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 20:51

Hi Nemika

Sorry to hear about your husband hope that he is ok very soon.

Accidents happen like this all the time though and its not always dogs sometimes its other wild animals or even worse still carless people so what do we do put everything down that causes an accident??.

Also notice that deecyprus4 has once again got her little dig in regards Kar another big mouthed no hoper.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 20:59

Stray Cats nearly killed me. I couldn't bothered with that roackabilly stuff when there was Roxy to be had.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 21:00

read the posts, alot of people dont agree with putting animals back on the street,

the dogs that are released are the ones with no hope.no good feeding them up to dump them back on the street to starve ?or cause accidents?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 21:49

Get a shoe thrown at me from a mean old man

Get my dinner from a garbage can

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 21:52

That's the one.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 22:05

Look! This stray dogs driving cars has got to stop!



Its not funny and its not clever!



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0f_cKnFcPg0



Lem

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 22:12

This not a joking matter LEM my husband could have died. then what would i do in cyprus with a small baby. i glad you find it amusing.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 22:23

My sentiments entirely Nemika.



But it didn't happen, he was lucky and for that I am glad.



If God forbid, it had been different, I would not have posted anything but sympathy and condolence.



Lighten up, be glad, I bet your hubby will be cracking jokes about once the initial shock has passed.



I did after my car smash.



Lem

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 23:01

Hi LEM

yes you are right im sorry we are both just still in a state of shock first accident abroad and not knowing who to call its very scary. and yes im very glad he is ok.

sorry i jumped the gun



Nem

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 23:27

deecyprus

why can't you disclose the vets that willingly put down healthy stray dogs?

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 23:27

Cheers Nem



I hope the insurance company sorts out the car quickly for you both or at least lets you rent a courtesy car until its sorted out.



Best wishes



Lem

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 23:33

they said it will take between a week to 2. no i was fully comp but i wasnt insured for a curtesy car always the bloody way isnt it. never mind we have a lil moped to run us down to the shops and back.

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
20/11/2008 23:55

Hi Nemika



Have put a new post on, may interest you, and others on this thread



Navek





http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/7539.asp

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 00:16

Hi Nevek

Thank you for your new post this is exactly what im talking about this is the only thing i hate about north cyprus where ever i go there are packs of dogs and one time when i was on my hubbys moped going to our local shop i was chased by a rotwiler i was terrified to say the least i nearly fell off and just missed a car. heaven knows what that dog would have done if it had caught me. its just so dangerous. i think all stray dogs should be put down for our own sake and theirs.

Navek



Joined: 01/06/2008
Posts: 2656

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 00:22

Hi Nemika



put that on my post, please



Navek,



off to bed now, check replies in morning :-(

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 01:32

Nemika, my husband has asked me to ask you ... do you originate from the middle east?

Nemika



Joined: 05/04/2008
Posts: 413

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 01:41

my mum is english and dad is turkish cypriot but i was born in the uk, why do you ask?

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 02:04

He was just interested. His mum is English. Dad TC too. My husband was born in the UK too.



I am very sorry to hear about the accident, and hope your Husband is OK?

We were just discussing why you said you do not like dogs? We presumed (incorrectly) you were from the middle east.



I know and agree (me) about the stray dogs problem and it would be much kinder for them, and better for everyone if there were vets who were available to help more than they can now. Yes that is a radical comment from animal lovers (as we both are) but the alternative is many sick, injured, poisoned or starved animals. I really don't know what the answer is? The more strays that wonder onto the road, the more of a danger to society it poses. It is a fine balancing act really between doing what is right for the safety of everyone and dealing with the reluctance of the TC's to educate themselves on their responsibilities as pet owners, hence the escalating numbers of strays.



Take care.

nancy08


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 02:20

Hi nemika believe me whatever your parentage is its way ahead of most on this site,god knows what genes they come from.I meet them in the funny farm.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 07:22

It seems we have two camps here... the dogs at any price group and the let's do someting about it and have a cull group...



The locals are criticised for the systematic poisoning of dogs to try and control the problem which they find to be the practical and cheap alternative to vets...



I don't condone this as it's indiscriminate and several of my friends dogs have been killed this way when out for a walk... but I also sympathise with the goatherds and sheperds whose flocks are attacked by wild dogs. The loss of a sheep or goat must put a strain on an already tough existence...



Think on it.... so what's the answer? I don't know... it seems some folk's solution is unacceptable to dog lovers and others...



I have to say that quite a few of the wild dogs do seem in good health and happy running in packs... but they may be dangerous.. although I observe them to be generally very timid - the tail between the legs and head lowered is not an aggressive stance.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 07:23

They are known to predate the Turtles nests and this is a shame if it's a man-made problem.... does anyone know if wild dogs are a natural inhabitant of the island? i.e. have there always been wild dogs?

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 08:31

For those of you who think I should name those that are prepared to euthanise strays dogs and prevent an overrun of dogs should hang your heads in shame..but at least some of us now know that such ppl should never be held in esteem for keeping their mouths shut..I would never reveal a confidence, I think some of your friends will probably be worrying as we all tell our secrets to someone..let hope those of you who have confided in any of these posters can sleep peacefully at night...

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 08:33

Msg 28...how true and how sad, I wonder how some of these liberal dogooders would feel if they were so shamelessly treated!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 08:36

General question to all...



I am told it is policy not to euthanise, just whose 'POLICY' is this:



a. the governments?



b. the vets?



c. the tc's?



d. or KAR'S



I would appreciate an answer to this vital question...thank you.

Mr Vince


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 696

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 15:05

With so many comments regarding KAR's policy on neutering and release v killing the dogs; why not take the time to form your own charity dedicated to catching and killing stray dogs and cats.



KAR have been dignified by their silance on this topic. They are not perfect, but they have adopted the principal of not putting animals to sleep and keep the local population in check by neutering and release. Most if not all volunteers working with KAR accept their limitations, and work hard to minimise future generations of unwanted animals wandering the streets.



If you have the time to spare why not dedicate your time to clearing North Cyprus of unwanted animals. Its not easy.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:00

lots of talking about this subject, BUT: I learned, it was 16 Years ago, in my driving school, - hold your steering tight and just drive into the "dogs", "deer" or "cats". You kill the cat, you kill the dog but the harm to you and your car is much less. If it was a donkey I would review this driving style. Hardcore breaking I guess.

BTW: 1 x dog impact = dog dead 3 x cat = cat dead, a few birds but no accidents and no tree hugging.. Hope it never happens again, to anyone!



PLEASE DRIVE ON THE LEFT









and shoot the strays..

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 18:03

deepcyprus4 msg 48

Why should we let you into that secret, you won't disclose the vets that willingly put down healthy stray dogs. I thought these boards were to to give out useful information, clearly you do not agree in that, so why make the comment in the first place!

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 18:10

Quarmby I have already told you, when I'm told something in confidence it remains so..heaven help your friends...you were asking me to betray a confidence, I was asking a general question, obvioulsy one which you cannot answer.

Quarmby


Joined: 15/09/2008
Posts: 975

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 20:34

deecyprus4

Scenario

I have stray dogs causing a nuisance, I have read on a TRNC forum that there is a vet or vets that will put down these dogs, written by deecyprus4 are you prepared to let me know or was your posting a futile gesture, if so why put it on a Forum?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 20:54

Groucho: " I observe them to be generally very timid - the tail between the legs and head lowered is not an aggressive stance."



Many a BB member has ended up that way after the old robust treatment, eh?

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 23:12

I am afraid that the only sensible course of action, which I always follow, when animals run in front of vehicles is to brake if there are no vehicles behind. Never swerve to avoid the animal. If the animal dies, so be it, that has to be better than killing yourself or others.



I have followed this policy ever since a good friend of mine was killed and his two small children were seriously injured when he swerved to avoid an animal one day on the way home on the school run.



I have followed this policy for 20 years since the above incident and the only animal I ever killed was a badger that wandered in front of me at two in the morning.

lesleyd



Joined: 05/06/2007
Posts: 265

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 01:52

"Deliberate cruelty to defenceless and beautiful creatures is surely one of the meanest and most detestable vices of which humans can be guilty of."

William Ralph Inge

InTheDogHouse



Joined: 15/11/2008
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 05:33

Groucho,

Dogs have been on the island since the 9th/10th millennium BC. Introduced by man but obviously left to roam wild at some point through history. I doubt they thought too much about what problems we'd have now.



Careful when assuming a dog is timid just because the tail is between legs and the head is low. You're 100% right in what you say but keep in mind that it's also a sign of fear which can be very dangerous (fight or flight reaction). Give a dog like that plenty of space and it will always chose to run away.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:10

groucho re post 44.

the problem with sheep farming here is that the hunting dogs are so hungry they kill for food.

last year a friend of ours had 2 lambs killed by hunting dogs (in his land).

we had graphic pictures of this and emailed them to cyprus today.

obviously to graphic to print? or just a problem swept under the carpet?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:36

I think at last with this thread people are now getting to see the bigger picture about the situation out here with regards to 'stray dogs'.

The facts are:

There are 2 types of strays: those owned by people (TC's, T's and expats) that are allowed to roam but (nearly) always return to their owners. Then there are those unfortunate dogs that either do not want to return to their owners or are thrown out for whatever reason to fend for themselves.

The problem as I see it is that Expats only focus on one aspect of this problem.

There are those that complain about poison being laid, there are those that complain that something should be done about stray dogs, there are those that complain about the fact vets will not put down healthy animals and there are the ones that complain about the policies of KAR's. And I hasten to add there is a proportion of Expats that for whatever reason decide to leave the TRNC and dump their pets wherever they can.

Now I really cannot begin to advise peopl

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:42

e on how to sort this problem out and I tried to give advice re- poisoning on another BB and I got nothing but abuse.

All I am suggesting now is that anyone that whinges about the problem with dogs out here should aquaint themselves with all of the facts and if they feel that strongly about the situation then get involved in sorting it out. Don't just sit there behind your keyboard complaining.

Rant over.

AJ

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
25/11/2008 22:49

"Dogs have been on the island since the 9th/10th millennium BC."



Ah so dogs are the rightful owners of the island... ;¬)



In that case we should kill them all forthwith... (I jest)



So it would seem they are a fairly natural phenomenon... In which case I do not agree with barbaric control measures... I would like to see the rounding up and neutering of males and females (dogs that is) so as to reduce the problem if that is the only way to stop some of the pathetic undernourished creatures from starving to death.. some of the females can hardly feed themselves let alone a litter of pups.



It sounds a little awful as I write it but the numbers are getting out of hand and the ability to breed is obviously a big factor... I seem to remember, neutered males are less agressive too...

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
26/11/2008 01:13

If it were not a rabid-free island, then the problem would have been

dealt with as it is in other countries, i.e. NO stray dogs.

I agree with last post's idea though.

Glad Nemika's husband o.k. It is natural to try to avoid hitting an

animal of any kind, but if you had kids in back of car, you would not

want to put them at risk by swerving, or braking suddenly.