Dogs/Responsible owners

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 11:02

Does any one on this board know of a responsible Dog owner! How often! when you are walking either in the UK or North Cyprus or anywere in the world. When you are approach by a boundering dog running hell for leather towards you! You freeze on the spot ! Then the owner appears. What do they say? Dont worry it wont bite you!

RESPONSIBLE MY A-----S

flossie


Joined: 01/04/2007
Posts: 65

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 11:13

I am not a dog lover or should I say a lover of a lot of dog owners. We have a house in Cyprus in a beautiful quiet spot. No traffic or any other noise. Guess what! someone has a dog nearby which barks constantly. How do the owners stand it? and more so the near neighbours. Sometimes I feel like going out with a shotgun. I am not sure who I would shoot the dog or the owners. Seriously I would never harm an animal but I do get fed up with others peoples badly behaved pets. Why do they not realise that it is cruel to leave a dog chained up all day with no company. Of course it is going to protest in one way or another.



flossie

biglugs


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 11:13

ronaldo, just dont tar every pet owner with the same brush!!!!!!!!!! i have kept german sheperds for over 30 yrs,i have 2 dogs here,one from the UK and 1 from KAR. My dogs dont run wild and when out are kept on a lead,yes there are irresponsible owners but we are not all the same.Keep these commemts to your self or if you have a problem with a pet owner take it up with them.

Kitty1


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 683

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 11:16

Thank you big lugs. I too am a very responsible dog owner and feel aggrieved by this sweeping generalisation.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 11:50

Any dog off the leash which appears to threaten me or my children will be getting kicked in the head or throttled until it is beyond being a threat.

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:05

Great attitude to have ptepike. we came across someone like you that kicked our puppy in a park that dogs were aloud off the lead.

Thousands of pounds of vet bills later it meant we could not bring our dog over here.

Maybe you could come and comfort our children who still are very upset 18 months later.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:10

aki848



I am a dog owner but to be fair to PP he was merely saying he would take that action if '' appears to threaten me or my children'' Even as a dog lover, I may be inclined to do the same in those circumstances (if I had children, of course!) I accept that the situation with a puppy is lkely to be different and I am very sorry to hear what happened to yours.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:10

aki,



My kids come before dogs, I'm afraid. That's why parks have signs telling owners to keep their mutts on the leash. Were the babies we've heard about killed by dogs on or off the leash?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:14

Mackaozy msg 8,



Are you attracted by children in parks? If so you should be on the Sex Offenders Register.

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:24

Of course my children also come before my dogs.

People who are not used to dogs can react without thinking.

This does not make it right to lash out at any dog within reach if it is off a lead.

there are parks in the uk allow dogs off lead. we were in such apark when our dog was kicked by someone with the same thinking as pte.

It make me sick the ignorance that people have towards dogs. I have two large dogs and because of people like pte I never walk them off the lead because i am afraid that some over protective PERSON would try to harm them for doing something unatural like running around.

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:36

OH I forgot to mention one of my dogs is a rottweiler.



I soppose i should have it put down straight away.



So the children can lose a second dog in 18 months because of other people racial hatred of certain types of dogs.

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:48

Cheers mackaozy



our rotty has been brought up with our two kids and I trust it more with them than some people that i meet.

I am not blinckered on this issue and there are viciouse dogs but 99% of the time it is how they are brought up(a bit like children i suppose)

I just hate this tarring of all dogs with the same brush.

not only is it wrong it is STUPID

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 12:51

aki848.



Good points.



I do believe, however, that civilised people would be able to differentiate between being threatened and a dog just running around. In the former situation it would be difficult to condemn their behaviour. It is quite absurd to take action against a dog just running around, as you say. These people probably have no respect for anyone or anything in any event. Therefore, I accept it does make it difficult to decide when to let dogs off the lead. The experience you had with your puppy demonstrates that.



I was lucky with my previous dog in that I lived very close to a mountain and was able to let him off the lead there.

I guess the options are 1. not to let dogs off the lead or 2. take them to a place or at a time, where they can run safely away from people. Not ideal not being free to do what you wish but better than having the dog hurt by some halfwit.

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 13:09

I love dogs, although like many people I prefer to see dogs on a lead. On my last visit to Cyprus my son & I went for a walk along the foothills of the mountains in Catalkoy, when two dogs (with collars) joined us on our walk. I was terrified, as they followed behind us, every step of the way. My son told me not to worry as they were not strays. As it was they were harmless and just wanted to enjoy the walk! But I do agree dogs should be kept on leads, unless they are with their owners.



Equally, I do not like to see any cruelty against any dogs. During our visit we went to a beach along Lapta way, this dog walked along the beach looking for food and attention, the owners of the beach restaurant came out & started throwing stones at the dog (some missed, some hit) needless to say I won't be going to his restaurant again! Nasty man, I would to see someone throw a stone at his head & not miss.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 13:13

We have a dog and are very responsible owners. What annoys me most is if we see another dog on a lead we put ours on a lead or if we see children and other people coming we put him on his lead or hold his collar. He is a chocolate labrador who doesnt bark and is the softest dog ever but having said that we appreciate other people may be scared of dogs so we make sure those people feel comfortable. What annoys the hell out of me is that people let their dog go to the toilet wherever and dont have the manners to pick it up. There are a couple of well to do people in our village and its beyond them to pick up their dog poo but they obviously feel happy about our kids falling in it! Someone let their dog poo outside my son's nursery the other day and I stood in it then my son stood in it! Now youve got me started! Sorry guys, rant over!

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 13:18

"racial hatred of certain types of dogs"



Surely you cant be racist against a dog, maybe speciesist is a better word.



Although I am the first to admit I am scared of all dogs there are certain breed which instil more fear than others.

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 13:30

Sorry if my English was not quite right!!!!

But I think it still got my point of view on the subject across.

Wilts Girl


Joined: 16/07/2008
Posts: 159

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 13:37

Point taken Aki.

KickingK


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 90

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 14:39

Mackaozy



Don't want to sell up..............thanks



What are you the only one, allowed to have an opinion?

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 15:07

dogs and kids have to be educated - some people don't bother and the only way to make them to understand that having an animal makes your responsable of it is to fine the owner if there is one ! after nobody must be surprised that dogs are poisonned and about barking when owners are not firm enough to educate them the ultra sound device is a solution -

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 15:12

Mac. I think you are generalising here by saying '' The fact is that the people think all dogs should be put down'' I don't believe that.



I think you have a good point when you say, ''haven't been brought up with dogs, or had much to do with them in their lives. They are therefore simply scared of dogs although they wont admit it.''



I guess I was using the word 'civilised' in relation to someone having a certan degree of intelligence that would enable them to be pragmatic in situations such as the one we are discussing.

Holly


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 67

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 15:21

Ditto message 8.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 15:52

Dogs ,they smell ! they sh--t ! everywere They annoy people with there incessant barking . what the hell do you so called dog luvvers see in these smelly rotten mutts . Youd be better off showing Mackaozy a bit of LOVE! Cos he sure needs it .

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 15:56

Woof Woof !!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:10

We must have a better class of dog in Catalkoy!

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:12

We must have a better class of dog in Catalkoy!

Sure there not Cats?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:13

Ouch! Saucer of milk please.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:16

''Sure there not Cats''? Sorry I don't understand.

Amber


Joined: 26/09/2008
Posts: 561

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:33

I am a responsible dog owner. Sadly a great number of dogs owned in North Cyprus are not owned by responsible caring owners. If you were chained up 24 hours a day, your first form of defence would be to bark. Before blaming and cursing the dogs, think of the reasons why they do it. There is no such thing as a bad dog just bad owners. The poor animals here have enough of a hard time as it is. I have been saddened to read some of the insensitive comments written on this subject. Some understanding would not go a miss here!

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:38

Re msg 20



I too dislike cruelty to animals - but this restaurant owner was being responsible to his customers

- stray dogs will attach themselves to any place where they are given food or attention

- more than likely they will have worms - so if children come in contact with their faeces they can become blind

- if given attention they become over familiar quickly and can start to jump up at people, snatch food etc

- they can turn nasty due to hunger and pack mentality - maybe attacking for food as has happened -



so he was only doing the only thing he could - besides putting poison down!!!!!



Mass neutering will reduce the numbers in time - only if all dogs are neutered - but I do agree with a mass culling to dramatically reduce the numbers quickly. Before more people get hurt and North Cyprus' business is effected by it.





Remember the Scottish isle with the hedgehogs - they were rescued - maybe someone would come and rescue all the dogs if it was planned!!!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 16:58

Tressy



Ronaldo's msg 1 raised the issue of responsible dog owners and quite rightly so. You can cull as many as you like but it is a short term strategy. Without the owners being responsible we will be back where we started, in a relatively short period of time.

I think Amber's comments are very appropriate here.



Laws and education are most likely to reduce if not eradicate the problem, albeit slowly.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 17:05

Chessman



Surely most of the owners are Expats ? Is this correct?



I know lots of TCs have hunting dogs but they must be in the minority?



As are the mainland Turks



So where are the dogs coming from in the first place?

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 17:21

Tressy



Our neighbourhood is primarily Turkish Cypriot and practically all of them have dogs. Whether we can take this as a random sample and apply it generally across the North, is open to conjecture I guess. In any event, as the subject matter of this thread is responsible owners (in the main) then the education and laws can be applied to all.



I really believe the problem is with the irresponsible owners, whether ex.pats have brought dogs here or whether the locals have bred or abandoned them and they breed in the wild.



We feed and look after 27 cats (not in the house!) and at the moment KAR have managed to catch 16 of them for neutering (which we pay for). Whilst talking to the 'catcher' he mentioned that they were slowly making progress in getting locals to realise how important neutering was for both cats and dogs.



So this problem will only be tackled effectively if the irresponsible owners become responsible ones. There is not much an animal can do about that

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 18:56

if u kicked a dod peter pikey i am wondering wether the animal then turned on you or your children it wld deserve to be put down.

when a dog is attacked their natural instinct is to fight or flee

lets hope it chooses the latter and does not then attack u or your children.

i am speaking from experience as from whathas been wrote previously its just that our dog was running toward our children in a park specifically for dogs and families etc

if any one knows the shepherd they will understand that even at a young age their insinct is to be with their pack (my children)

my children had gone to climb the nearest tree a couple of hundred yards away and my white shepherd was eager to follow i let her go and watched her run for them with no one around in direct way of her

then a man appeared from behind a bush and took a running kick at her.

my children saw their 4 month old cute white shepherd be kicked like a ball with no warning from some maniac.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 18:56

Cman,



I agree with you - but feel that if it is expat owners then surely they are the most educated with regards to looking after dogs - but then the state of the UK strays proves maybe education doesn't work for some people and never will. As for laws - they help but again certain people will always get away with it - as they do in the UK.



Educating the local Cypriot community can only be a positive thing - although the neutering of animals goes against the teachings of Islam - but I doubt there would be much resistance on this point.



Is there a tagging/chipping regulation for imported dogs? Although it maybe seems barbaric - tattooing greyhounds ears stopped many being dumped on the streets - as the owners could be traced and fined.

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:07

the man had given my pup two injuries one to the lower leg and the wrost to her hind leg and hip which was shattered.

i pleaded with my husband not to take my childs cricket bat to the man and do the right thing and call the police as we were due to move over here.

of course the man did not stick around as he promised and my dog had day of surgery, hours in a pool swimming as one injury needed rest the other needed excerise and since we had just cancelled our pet insurance for england as both dogs were coming out here we are two an a half grand lighter.

my husband stayed in uk with dog for 3 weeks and i came out here on my own with children

then we had the worst news that the vet advised us our dog should be homed on own with no other dogs and the flight wld cause further trauma . our kids and myself are still devastated.

AS U CAN TELL I HAVE READ THESE POSTS AND NOT TOO HAPPY.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:08

although the neutering of animals goes against the teachings of Islam -

Treesy were have you got that one from ?

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:18

MOST DOG OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE AND U CANNOT MISJUDGE SITUATIONS, DOG OWNERS OR DOGS THEMSELVES.

ADMITTELEY THERE ARE AWFUL CASES WHERE DOGS DO ATTACK BUT SHALL WE JUDGE PEOPLE THE SAME WAY

IF A PERSON IS IN YOUR PERSONEL SPACE LETS JUST HIT, KICK AND ATTACK SHALL WE???

PIKEY LETS HOPE U STAY OUT OF THE WAY OF ALL THE RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS YOU HAVE OFFENDED hey.

POSTED BY AKI848 WIFE

i think u post the above comments just because u lack attention to get everyone riled. well it worked.

u complainin idiots on here need to do what u came here to do and thats have fun, relax and love life rather than sittin at a computer complainin its so lame.

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:46

Cheesman CATalkoy for Cats ! message 38 LOL

aki848


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 72

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 19:56

better class of the four legged woofers in dogankoy apparantly.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/11/2008 21:02

Dogankoy? You must mean Thermia. Can't stand this Turkification of the north of Cyprus.

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 01:06

Ronaldo



I can't quote you directly as I would need to look it up again as can't remember - but is either from the Qur'an or the Hadith.



Do you need me to?

Treesy


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 406

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 01:23

Ronaldo,



From IslamOnline.com -



As for your question, you have to keep in mind the fact that Islam prohibits harming animals. Mercy, in Islam, should dominate all aspects of life.



In his response to the question, the late Sheikh Sayyed Mutawalli Ad-Darsh, former chairman of the UK Shari`ah Council (may Allah have mercy on him) states:



“Neutering or sterilizing animals, while not encouraged in Islam, is not completely forbidden either. `Abdullah ibn `Umar, a Companion of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) reported that the Prophet forbade the neutering of horses and other animals.



However, according to another tradition, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) is said to have permitted the sterilization of an animal so long as the operation is carried out early in its life and not when the animal reaches maturity. Hence, it may be acceptable to neuter pets such as cats, particularly if one wants to prevent the birth of a multiplicity of unwanted kittens

Kitty1


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 683

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 09:52

Ronaldo msg 49. Nice one mate. I think I must have had a Homer Simpson moment not to understand that! LOL

Kitty1


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 683

Message Posted:
22/11/2008 09:54

I should have said, Chessman replying on his wife's computer by the way! Can't be bothered to open mine up!