INTERESTED to see where and in how many countries your post is read?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:51

Are you ever interested to see in how many countries (and which ones) your post is read? Try the URL here:

▶ [ http://is.gd/jbvK4Z ].

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 19:55

It may well be interesting to see how many members are interested..





Please do give us a quote on the numbers one day..







Spider,X

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 20:07

@ msg 2, Spider: The numbers are on the same page. Several other choices also (platforms, browsers etc). Read from top to bottom, please.

wynyardman



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 20:44

DC



How many countries, is your new board read? In fact, how many people in ANY country read your board?



Not many I guess, otherwise you would not keep crawling back to Cyprus 44, dragging their tail behind them!



wynyardman

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 20:47

This URL may give a better idea (re: msg 1):

▶ [ http://is.gd/stats.php?allref=1&url=jbvK4Z ]

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 20:53

Hans,

Is it just me?

BUT - your link just seems to lead to that nice picture of clouds that you posted earlier...

Your 'renowned mastery' of the art of linking seems to be going astray recently - there was the one on Facebook that you obviously hadn't looked closely at before you posted it, and another one the other day on here, now this.

What next?

If you'd like someone to proof-read your links before you post 'em, you could always email them to me first

Anyway, Welcome back my old friend - even if your holiday has gone to your head....

keithcaley



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Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 20:54

Ah... - you beat me to it, I see that you can still type faster than me!

spider


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 20:58

Hans LOL..



I did not even click it as you once said to me I was not welcome ! < Not very nice > But I have large shoulders for a Spider lol.



Keith good to see you posting again,well missed.



Spider X



Now,shall i look or not ????????????????????>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.........

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:00

Click a DC link equals revenue no matter how small, wake up TRNC and C44.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:01

@ msg 9, GinaC: Greetings from the Bahamas, Gina!

spider


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:04

At a little guess Hans I think mine might say I was in Musselburgh









Spider,X

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:04

That is not actualy true GinaC at least as far as these two links posted in this thread go.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:10

@ mag 12, erolz: And it's not true for other links I post either. But I can't be bothered by people like GinaC, who does not understand how it works - but still think wrong and insinuating replies make sense.

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:14

I guess I find it ironic that a poster that is calling on others to 'wake up' is themselves just wrong about the very thing they are asking others to 'wake up' about.

GinaC


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Posts: 372

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:40

With all due respect Erolz the first post link takes you to



http://www.allcrusades.com/CD/bb_webpages_05/10_skies_trnc/trnc_skies.html



Firstly why disguise the fact the link takes you to DC's allcrusades.com website and why does the page it takes you to be a page clearly displaying adverts from google adsense?? simple answer revenue, now dispute that if you would be so kind.



Suggest you check out their terms and conditions, you should not incite user ''clicks'' by deception to generate revenue.

spider


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:42

Well I never..









Spider,X

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 21:53

GinaC a google ad only generates revenue if you click on it. The mere fact that you are taken to a page that has a google ad on it generates no revenue at all. It is ONLY when the ADVERTISMENT itself is clicked on that revenue is generate. Googles terms and conditons do not say you should not incite traffic to your site where google ads are displayed, they say you should not incite people to click the AD, or decieve people into clicking on the AD and the link posted by DC does none of these things.



You are simply confuing the advertisment itself, with the page displaying it.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:02

Honi soit qui mal y pense, Erol.

GinaC


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:03

OK Erolz if you say so.



" AdSense Maximize revenue from your online content



Google AdSense is a free program that empowers online publishers to earn revenue by displaying relevant ads on a wide variety of online content"



Note the word >Displaying<

erolz


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Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:10

Just to be clear you can earn revenue from google ads merely by displaying them, rather than people clicking on the add, but this system requires an advertiser to specifically say I want to place adds on this specific site, and the site can quote a price for a thousand ads displayed.



I do not know for a fact that the google ads on Hans' allcrusades site are not of this type (CPM) but common sense and just looking at the range of ads displayed makes it pretty clear that no advertiser has specificaly chosen this site for their ads and said I will pay x amount for every 1000 of my ads you display.



It is 99.9% certain that the ads on Hans' site are the 'per click' type and thus if the ads themselves are not clicked no revenue is generated.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:14

FAILED CRUSADER PROMOTING HIS FAILED SITE AGAIN .......................

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:19

@ msg 21, passionflower: The Dutch national baseball team will play the final in the World Championships in Panama (tomorrow night)! Don't miss it, Nigel.

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:20

Look if people want to play their silly games on here that is their business.



I am only stating what I understand because I care about truth and accuracy.



It was stated here that by merely going to the link in message one, revenue (for Hans) would accrue as a result. I simply sincerely and honestly believed that is not accurate or true. I may be wrong but I doubt it.

GinaC


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Posts: 372

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:27

Fair point Erolz



So in future it would be a good idea for those posting links not to disguise where the link goes to by using tinyurl for example. Deception leads to distrust, why not post photos to flicker, photo bucket etc why not post a link to a newspaper article direct rather than to the allcrusades.com website via a tinyurl link, see I can mention allcrusades.com without an issue on here and yet Hans can not.



The problem is that google Adsense can detect such activity and once detected they can suspend revenue. All I am saying is that a link on forum should be a link to the source or site and not disguised in anyway. One of Han's buddies does this frequently and even Han's loses his cool about it.

GinaC


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:35

And as if on cue MSG 21 another who uses deception to get others to click on links to their site joins the mob.



Guys you really need to get a grip, Nige you have been outed so many times on here even newcomers can spot you after less than ten posts. Your spats with AJ and DC are now written in Internet history. DC it is time to come clean, if not when you post a link then make sure it is clear that the link leads to your informative website rather than an obscure tinyurl link.

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:37

GinaC I am personaly not a fan of 'tiny URL' systems, though they can have their uses on occasion. In many ways the use of them by Hans is against his interests if his objective is driving traffic to his site in the hope of then getting people to click on the ads there. This is because having links to your site on other sites like this one helps your site appear futher up google searches, but this benfit is lost when tiny url is used. I suspect but I do not know that the main reason why Hans likes to use them is actualy because it is by using these that the 'stats' that he posted a link to in the second link are automatically generated for him, so he can see how many people have used the link (only the short one), where they come from and the like. There are other ways of getting these stats but none as easy.

GinaC


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:46

OK shall I start a thread where I repost all posts made by Han's that say click on this or click on that ? I do not think I need to do this as it is almost every post.



The only reason to do this is to incite users to go to the allcrusades site or cyprusinfo site the same as Nige tries to incite members of 44 to go to his site by posting disguised links.



This is nothing to do with stats Erolz and you know it.

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 22:57

GinaC this started with an accusation that by merely clicking on the links Hans posted revenue was generated. I did not think that was true and I still do not think it was true and I have said so and try to explain why I do not think it is true.



Using the tiny url system Hans has used in this thread does indeed automatically produce the stats that are in link 2. As to if this is the reason why Hans uses or partly the reason them that is speculation on my part and I said so. I can see why such automated stat production might be attractive.



If Hans wanted to use this site to genertate traffic to allcrusades in general terms and not just from those that use and read thios site, then he would in fact be better off not using tiny urls. He would get traffic fromthis site AND he would get benefit of an external link that would raise his site on general google searches thus producing more traffic.



Anyway clearly this is 'personal' and I ahve no interest in that. [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 23:00

I care simply about accuracy and truth, nothing more. The implaction that I personaly am konwingly lying when I say that stat prodcution may be a reason why he uses tiny urls is in fact quite offensive in its own way.



And for the record, the cyprusnow.info site, which I am providing the hosting for carrys NO advertising of any kind and generates no revenue for anyone at all.

GinaC


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Posts: 372

Message Posted:
14/10/2011 23:25

Erolz it is simple and not personal at all, if Han's has a beautiful picture on his site or forum then post a direct link to it and then people can decide to click on the link or not as it is clear where it will take you to or should be.



Others have fallen foul on 44 for plugging their own forums via links on 44 and have resorted to using tinyurl links to try and circumvent the system. Mods on here have amended such links to sabotage the efforts of these individuals.



Apart from a shorter link visually, why should anyone use a tinyurl on here ? My view is to trick the unsuspecting member to click on the link and end up on a site that has no bearing on the original tinyurl link. Some will be happy and will find a wealth of historic information, a forum purely devoted to the TRNC or a forum without any abuse.



Can you imagine a time in the future when a not so friendly member joins and posts a tinyurl style link to a website that contains some code that may not be so user friend

GinaC


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 23:29

Continued...



That may not be so user friendly.



The point I am try to make is be honest with the links and then members can decide if they want to visit allcrusades cyprusinfo or anywhere else for that matter.

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 23:49

Once more, for me this started about an issue of fact, as to if clicking on these links generated revenue or not. Discussing motives for why Hans or others uses these links is a different subject.



Certainly using such links can be a means of 'bypassing' an automated removal of the unshortend link for certain sites but to the best of my knowledge allcrusades is not automatically blocked by this site in this way.



As to why someone might use a shortend link, I have offered one possible reason, but you dismiss that and seem to be of the view that deception can be the only possible explaination.



I also think the suggestion that such shortened URL's are potential 'dangerous' is a red herring. If dangerous sites had normal URL's such as http://www.virusinfectingsite.com, then sure seeing the non shortened URL would make a diffeence. THe reality is you can not tell just from a URL that it is a dangerous site. [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
14/10/2011 23:56

I am also not sure about this whole choice argument either to be honest. Are you saying that if Hans posts a link to an allcrusades page, you personaly will not click on it, but if he posts one to some other site you will ? I find that strange way to decide on if to click on a link or not to be honest but even if that is how you would choose if to click on a link or not, are you really personally in any doubt that there is a very high chance than a tiny url from hans will lead to an allcrusades page ?



Like I say personally I am not a fan of tiny URLs. I do not generally use them myself except for rare and extreme cases. However I do not accuse those that do use them of gaining revenue from their use and call on other to 'wake up' to this when in fact it is not true. Nor do I assume their use can only be motivatied by a desire to decieve. I accept it may be but that is not the only possibility in my view.



Anyway enough of this madness. Peace to all.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2011 09:26

@ GinaC: Your posts in this thread are more amusing than interesting or correct. They remind me of your recent crusade against the "freeloaders", whom you even threatened to photograph and publish their pictures. By the way: haven't heard much from you on this subject since.

Well.

I don't ask you to open any thread I start.

I don't ask/force you to click on any link in my posts - if you mistrust the link: don't click.

I don't ask/force you to click on any link in the web pages I generate.

I publish my pictures and text on my web site and don't need your advice re: flickr.com etc.

I don't ask you to pay for my domain name and hosting provider.

I use the URL shortening website is.gd because it gives me easy access to statistics which I find interesting.

(Put the minus sign behind the shortened URL and the statistics and a full explanation are there for you to see also.

Example: http://is.gd/jbvK4Z- ) [more]

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
15/10/2011 09:27

[continued from post 34]



I'm pleased with the response of people all over the world (see the statistics), who obviously are less mistrusting than you and who are interested to view a picture(s) from TRNC.

I have nothing to hide. My nickname, real name, email address are here to see and/or to react. That's more than I can say about you.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 14:02

the statistics are really quite poor and the main source of visitors to your site is Cyprus 44 !

babydoll


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Posts: 140

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 14:08

I've never been interested who reads what where

erolz


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Message Posted:
15/10/2011 14:31

passionflower the stats are totaly standard webtraffic stats of the kind produced from the logs from the most common of server software (apache) on the internet. Also they only show people who visited that page using the short url, not those who visit it via its long url. If the short URL is only posted in a few places then it is not surpising that the source is only from those places.



babydoll I have never been intrested in any number of things but have never felt a need to publicaly delare my personal lack of interest on a public forum.

passionflower


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Message Posted:
15/10/2011 14:42

many thanks erolz as always the voice of reason .

babydoll


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Message Posted:
16/10/2011 15:49

my dear erolz read the the post title is it not a question am I not entitled to answer that question