an absolute disgrace

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:05

will never use this bar again after the disgraceful behaviour there last night. we havent come to this country to experiance that.

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:08

Eeeeeer ummmm, what bar? or is this a cryptic clue in this post?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:09

Let me guess, JKs?

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:16

Was every one drunk? isn't that what happens in bars in NC ?......

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:17

I thought JK's was the Bar where all the good willed fundraising Ex-Pats hung out,perhaps it's time for a change of venue ? Black Olive perhaps. What do you think AJ ?..

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:21

Well tell us the story then, or is it a secret?

Which bar?

What happened?

Who was involved?

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:23

Rob

Unfortunately some one thought I was having a go at you on a previous thread but hey ho your presence would be more than welcome at the Black Olive Cafe with or without guitar.

AJ

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:26

I think it was because there was no happy hour...the swines how can they do that to anyone....

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:30

Johnty...i am sure you have a very valid point....unfortunately it is rather too cryptic for us mere mortals and therefore is lost...if you wish to make a valid point then you ought to make yourself a tad more clear...just an innocent oppinion.....(please excuse any spelling mistakes..)



DD

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:34

If this is all we get then this should be closed,.... its pointless

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 18:38

Go to the bottom of the class you bad girl DD.... how could you spell something wrong on here! it upsets a lot don't you know....



Msg 1...Now, let me think, ha... I know, but not going to give you lot a clue, you have to work this one out yourselves

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 20:10

you get told that people only want to ruin a bars reputation, so im not naming it.im sure others will if they already havent.grown women fighting, a women being thrown down steps. god only knows if she is seriously injured.a barman throwing a glass at a person and the landlord fighting with people who tried to stop it. apologies need to be made, but im sure that will not happen, and us not going to that bar again wont bother to many people. the facts.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 20:14

Sounds like a scene from Eastenders! Tasteful.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 20:20

So was it JK's ,and if so, why no explanation from the management??...(embarrassed perhaps)

ranger5


Joined: 29/03/2011
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 20:27

Johnty,



If you can`t tell us the bar and the story, why did you bother to post?

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 20:37

Brits ...just love em!!!

ranger5


Joined: 29/03/2011
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 20:37

Saw another post about this. Oh well don`t suppose it will affect us folks in the east (smiley face), don`t know how to do them!!!

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 21:00

Time this was closed Mods as this could be damaging to any number of bars in the area as it is putting the blame on a bar that has not been named, only people who should know better jumping on the bandwagon!



Message 14 The owner probably doesn't know about this as he is spending quality time with his parents, who are here on holiday.



And if the founder of this thread does not want to name the bar that is his prerogative, the gossip should stop here in my opinion.



Chris

johnty


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 257

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 21:18

ok chris didnt want to name the bar but yes it was jks.

jbond



Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 21:34

I was the lady who was pushed down the stairs ,,I was not fighting just trying to stop the trouble,,,I was just walking down the steps and I was pushed from behind,,I dont normally leave comments on here but I thought i would let you no Chris..I am not a trouble maker and I do not go around fighting,,I am shaken up I cant belive that human beings can act in this way...

Thank you Jonty for your concern the one side of me is bruised very badly and my ankle is like a ballon and i have a cut to my head...

If I knew the procedure I would report this to the police as assault ...

I will never step foot in that bar again JK,S ...

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 21:39

So JKs is out then, good post

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 21:43

Oh dear Jo,



So very sorry to hear of your terrible ordeal. What a shock and fright you must have had and I hope you feel better soon.



Thinking of you.



Spider,X

dynamicduo


Joined: 23/08/2009
Posts: 66

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 21:57

Re Message 20.. jbond.. Don't complain about your ankle, because NURSE AWFUL will want to challenge your statement and say the swelling and injury must be in your imagination. And if SHE say's it the greatest place in the TRNC it MUST be true. I hope you are able to rest your injury and get better soon and then find a new Bar to frequent. You know it makes sense.

madturk


Joined: 25/03/2009
Posts: 217

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 22:02

its true what they say most brits end up piss heads once they retire in the sun . shame ! there are so many people out there that need help . focus your time and energy in using up your spare time and do some good like the rest of the expats

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 22:05

Msg 24,. Madturk





nuff said

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 22:07

msge 24 ...how correct you are !!!

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 22:25

jbond;

That is why one might be better off paying 2 TL more for a bottle of beer and sitting in the harbour. There are thousands of Turkish & Turkish Cypriot Students as well as families/friends who go down there listening to music in dozen bars but not getting pissed out of their heads and causing trouble. I do not remember the last time there was any fighting down there! There are of course many Scandinavian, German, English etc. tourists who also join in the fun every weekend.

Big mistake not complaining to the police! The police would have taken those responsible to the station and kept them overnight until the morning after taking their statements. They would have faced "public disorder charges" the next morning in court - or on Monday (if weekend). If they got rowdy at the station, they would have seen an unpleasant side of TC hospitality

AND expats beware! Such behaviour can label you as "undesirable aliens" with possible cancellation of any residence permits you may have...

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 22:27

sorry , i dont get out much ..where is JK's

kittyfun


Joined: 11/04/2011
Posts: 181

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 23:30

It seems its a very troublesome pub in Lapta and if true that a bar person threw a glass at someone and the landlord was fighting it a disgrace



Message 14 The owner probably doesn't know about this as he is spending quality time with his parents, who are here on holiday.

And if nursey nursey says he probably didnt know about it how come was he fighting ??????

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 23:34

was there a happy hour !!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 23:43

I wasn't there either, so I absolutely agree with everybody's opinion: a disgrace! Never mind the background of the alleged problem, we, the not-being-there-people, know exactly what happened. And that's why we write our stupid comments on this board - hurting another business and its owner. While we don't have a clue. Proud to be British, eh? Proud to be a member of a bunch of sad people, who mind anything that can hurt someone else, eh? Be it a business or a person. Bah.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
15/10/2011 23:57

http://bit.ly/n3vIfF makes you proud to be Dutch / a Neanderthal oops was that a typo ?



you done trying to hurt people ? Brit bashing serves no purpose and does no one any good !

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 00:08

@ msg 32, "passionflower" (Nigel Watson, the banned for life C44 member, lying about his true identity again): Your command of the English language is so poor that I prefer not to read it. Tssk!

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 00:12

Say it as often as you wish failed crusader it does not make it true does it negate your Brit bashing .

andrew4232



Joined: 04/07/2009
Posts: 1543

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 00:23

sounds like a classy joint then!

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 01:01

Its not just a disgrace - for those of who just want to live quietly in a pleasant place in harmony with our Cypriot neighbours in is a tragedy. The Expats used to be liked and respected by the locals. Now the reputation of the British and a good relationship is being ruined by irresponsible ageing lager louts who dont even know where they are and throw their toys out of the pram because it isnt the cheap easy get out they expected, and make exhorbitant demands on the environment and infrastrucutre and insult local sensibilitites.



No wonder the Government are tightening residence reguations and Brit are no long welcome,



Fortunately most Cypriots have the sense to know the difference between those who like and respect the country and the free loaders, but inevitably the innocent suffer for the guilty.



If you are an expat and cant behave decently get out before you are thrown out and put decent people at risk. Some of the British here make me ashamed of my own race.

dailoukat


Joined: 12/03/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 01:28

oh can we close this now we all know what bar this is and you can choose to go there if you want or not

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 03:20

What a shame

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 03:25

Brit ex pats spoilt the south - now they are doing the same in the north.

In my experience, as a once a year visitor, Kyrenia will soon be like Aya Napa.

Year on year it is changing for the worse.

My apologies to the decent ex pats who must also be suffering!!

hodgeliz


Joined: 16/10/2010
Posts: 278

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 08:47

Bertieboss sooo true a worrying trend is certainly creeping in, we here in the East side have it as well with one or two "Brit" bars where loutish behaviour is also the order of the day

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 09:00

no wonder so many Cypriots dislike the brits !! unfortunately cheap house prices attracted lots of rif raf

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 10:07

Cheap houses, cheap booze and sunshine do not guarantee the best neighbours

the cat


Joined: 22/06/2008
Posts: 71

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 10:14

Message 40, can you tell us were the one or two Brit bars are in the East side we should avoid ?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 10:26

jbond, you should report it to the police, not that they will do anything but if they get many reports of the same sort of thing hapeening at the same bar, then they may just take it seriiously. , It may stop some totally innocent person being really hurt or worse.



I hope your injurires will heal quickly. i am so sorry for what happened to you.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 11:13

As my Father in Law used to say:



DRINKS IN, WITS OUT !!!!!



This can happen in ANY bar where people drink to excess.



Good sound management procedures and actions is the only way to handle these situations.



All those customers involved should be barred!!

Ballyboffin


Joined: 25/08/2007
Posts: 903

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 11:17

Message 36 BizziLizzi,



Good post and I agree 100% with your comments. I am 'proud to be British' from Northern Ireland who doesn't live in TRNC full time and have seen the 'rough and scruff' that the place seems to be attracting lately. When asked my nationality I now say that I am Irish.

Pugwash


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 1797

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 11:41

Message 43 the Old Mill has had the same issues and I don't feel comfortable in the Soyz bar but it is ok in the day though.



Will be interesting if hodgeldiz replies to see what they say.

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 12:06

Well ,



I have read this site and also posted support for JKs on another thread. I have to say that after reading this thread I am appalled at what took place.



I hope that JKs can have their say on the event!

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 12:17

Such a shame having been to the Pearl Charity do at China Garden on Friday and enjoyed the evening mostly ex pats there and no problems. Hope we are not all tarred with the same brush.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 12:31

You would have thought JK's would have been on here before now to try and explain or put people right.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 13:02

I thought you lot were too old and fat to fight?

berkeh2001


Joined: 28/02/2009
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 13:48

if this is all true you can report it to the local goverment district offices as well ( kaymakamlik kyrenia )

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 13:58

Roomy



It seems that no one else involved in this is going to speak up,maybe they are not members ! I do hope Jo is feeling better and if the people involved are reading this 'Shame on you all'.



JKs owner may well be enjoying relaxing away from the bar at the moment but he must know of this incident. As for the way his bar staff behaved so people are posting its outrageous



Spider,X

JKSLapta


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 14:01

We have family here at the moment & have only just seen this post. Normally I wouldnt respond as it usually just drags up more gossip/speculation, but just to put a few facts straight. Fri eve was to celebrate a family engagement. The people (mainly women) involved in the trouble were invited as guests but had already caused problems inside earlier and were told that they would have to leave if they did not behave (one of them is actually one of the people who has posted on here complaining)! We also found out later that one of the 'ladies' involved had said to the entertainer earlier in the eve "I feel like having a go later and might kick-off". We have no idea what started it as we were inside but Daren was NOT involved in the fighting and was actually trying to stop it. He also has several cuts, bruises & scratches to his face from one of the women when he was trying to break it up. Cont'd...

JKSLapta


Joined: 08/06/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 14:08

We also called the police after the incident who then came to the bar as we too are sick of the minority element out here who cause trouble and ruin a perfectly good evening for everyone else. The people involved have also been barred, however as other people have said above, unfortunately some people often drink too much and problems do happen, especially out here and certainly in other bars too.

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 14:45

johnty says "a women being thrown down steps" the woman, jbond says "I was just walking down the steps and I was pushed from behind" could have been the person behind her, was pushed from behind themselves, and it had a knock-on effect - NOT the same thing as "being thrown" - therefore, what else can be believed that has been written in an attempt to destroy a business?



The owner has posted that the main protagonists were women who had already caused trouble, and told they would have to leave if they didn't behave; JKS is being magnanimous not naming one of them who has contributed to this thread (trying to cover her back no doubt) I think he should name her. JKS called the Police themselves - and has banned them, what more can he do? yet SO many here who were NOT there, let alone one who was, yet embellished his account, have been judge and jury, as usual...



No-one needs to "know the procedure" to report an assault, you simply go to the Police, if you are innocent...

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 14:58

Now that you have had your fill of gossip and troublemaking perhaps the matter can be put to rest. I don't suppose for one minute that JK,s is the only bar that has seen drunken lowlifes falling about and causing problems for decent people, the owner has given his point of view ( incidentally i don't go to JK,s) so in my opinion the thread should now be closed by the moderators before any further damage is done.

jbond



Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 15:06

I feel obliged to answer the above....Yes there were a group of women at the other end of the balcony I was not part of that group. It appears to have started when one of these women threw her shoes at another women who was part of their group. I was sat outside with two other friends when glasses flew over the table we were sitting at. How reckless is that! We then tried to calm the situation down and one of my male friends was attacked by the owner without provocation. His shirt was ripped open by the owner and he suffered scratches and bruising. I tried to calm one of the women down and the owner came over shouting and swearing and in my opinion making the matter worse. For some reason he grabbed my arm. When I asked him to remove his hand his reply was "This is my bar I can do what I like" Finally several people told me that the woman who`s engagement party it was pushed me from behind and down the steps. There was no one else around. This is all I am going to say on the matter.con

jbond



Joined: 22/06/2010
Posts: 135

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 15:09

I do not sit around bars drinking all day I have better things to do with my time. I have been told by several people that fighting at or outside JK`s is a regular occurance.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 15:51

None of that sort of antics in Wynyard.



Quiet dinner, couple of drinks, and home James.Quiet night with the family.



wyn

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 16:01

More largesse and less lager, seems to be the order of the day.



Dont people want a quiet and civilised exisistance?



The UK sounds good to me



wyn

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 16:41

wyn .. You can keep it .. Doesn't sound good to me ..

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 16:45

Harita,



You pays your money, and takes your choice.



Wynyard in the Autumn sunshine, looks good to me.



Its a question of personal taste.



wyn

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 16:53

Wynyard,......isnt that the place where Titus Bramble lives

gusanova


Joined: 23/11/2010
Posts: 187

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 16:55

Well done to Jk's for their version of events, I do beeive them in what happened and hope that now this matter can be laid to rest and let people get on with their lives, also JK's does not suffere any more further indignation as they have graciously explained what happened.



So let sleeping dogs lie, as a former Bar Owner I know that a group of women are more ill disciplined than a group of men when out on lash, so I sympathise with JK'S.

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 17:10

Hi Turt,



Titas Bramble? We wynyardinians are well ok. Our motto is "If they aint white, its alright"



Drunken behavoir is not right. Certainly we would not countenance it on Wynyard.



Any race creed,colour,aptitude, skill, talent is appreiciated here.



We've had......Kevin Keegan, Alen Sheerer, Paul Gascoign, all children of the universe, and a plethora of



lesser footballing icons.



BUT WE DONT GET DRUNK AND FIGHT!



Members of JCs want to get a grip. The views of a boring Yorkshireman. Someone has to uphold standards.



wyn

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 17:28

I can punch anyones lights out 'cos i am hard.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 17:28

With a gentleman like you in the area Wyn I have no doubt standards are kept very high ;)

dalartokat


Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 734

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 17:29

Wyn, who are JCs....this isn't you is it......



SOTALLY TOBER

Starkle starkle little twink

Who the hell you are I think

I'm not under what you call

...The alcofluence of incohol

I'm just a little slort of sheep

...

Elliecy


Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 153

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 17:56

We are not regulars at JKs but have been a few times and always found it to be popular. We went on Friday as a change for the live music and I have to say that some of the above is complete rubbish. We were unfortunately outside when events happened at at no point was the owner fighting, infact he appeared to be getting bit of a bashing trying to stop it! What I was surpised to find out though from my Cypriot husband was that the people who were fighting were actually the owners and staff from Freddies Bar in Alsancak and apparently the lady in msg 58 is a friend of theres. Why has no-one mentioned that? I think that as bar owners themselves, to go and cause trouble in another bar then walk away is is disgraceful and as my husband says 'much shame on them'. He is Cypriot but after watching the behaviour on Friday he says it is not JK's that we will avoid in future but Freddies.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 17:58

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha..........I bet it was a coach load of Southern trash on a stag and hen do from Paphos?

Rogerdoger


Joined: 04/09/2008
Posts: 102

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 18:10

Whatever happened there that night there are two sides to every story, only the people there know the true story, but as they say there is no smoke without fire, why does booze always bring out the worst in people, if if people can not handle the booze, bottom line is don't drink it. let other people enjoy their night out in peace and quite, if those people want to kick off then do it in your own home not in public making an arse of yourselves.

Rogerd


Joined: 23/09/2008
Posts: 43

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 18:18

Message 58 Probably a good idea not to say any more as you seem to keep changing your story Rogerdodger well said. if people can not handle there drink they should stay at home not spoil others nights out.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 19:12

This thread is now closed.



Enough comment, speculation accusations and allegations on here. The matter is reportedly in the hands of the Police. Anyone who was a witness/participant is completely free to give a full version of events to them.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
16/10/2011 19:16

I agree discussion on this particular incident should be closed. We will never know all the fact and gossip wont help. The owner of the bar in question apparently took the correct action - called the Police and banned the offenders. Lets hope other bar owners follow the example.



What should NOT be forgotten is the harm that this sort of incident does to he majority of law abiding well behaved expatriate population - particularly those of us who have lived here a long time and regard North Cyprus as our home. Turkish Cypriots are on the whole remarkably laid back and tolerant but they reach a point of losing patience and when they do they came down HARD! There is already evidence they are getting p******d off (I dont usually swear but this is the only way to express it.



What can be done to let these louts know their behaviour is unacceptable to their compatriates and will not be tolerated and to reassure the Cypriots of our good will and intentions?