Cruel Cypriot Neighbour

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:04

This may cause concern among a few people on this forum but I want to tell this story of cruelty .





This morning my little daschound was barking at our wall. At the other side of the wall was a new cypriot neighbour. We heard a loud howl and I jumped up to see what was wrong. He had hit our dog on the head with a metal bar. She was unconcious so we rushed her to the vets. They put her on a drip and eventually she gainged concisousness. She is not herself at the moment and we have to take her back to our lovely vets tomorrow.



I wanted to kill the person but I knew I would be in the wrong. The police were very nice once I reported it. I had to put this on the forum because I am so frustrated.



Bob

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:06

Beware, poison is a common occurrence.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:11

That's horrendous , what incites a person to act this way towards animals ? . I hope the little thing makes a full recovery .

Simbas

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:13

what is your neighbours name ? his car reg number? his address ?

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:22

When we were on holiday in the TRNC a couple of years ago, I witnessed a Turkish soldier teaching his



young child to kick a cat. Of course I remonstrated with him, but he just shrugged his shoulders and



walked away.



Guess its the nature of the beast. Certainly not my way of going on.



wyn

dearie


Joined: 08/03/2011
Posts: 142

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:25

To protect your dog - put some chicken wire above the wall - so that the neighbour can't reach over and do this AGAİN . I have some horrid neighbours and have done this - she once put a sign up in her garden facing me that she had put down poison in her garden. I think she was hoping my dog would fly over there and eat it. Cos my house is actually like a fortress now . Feel really sad for your dog - good luck in the future unfortunately your gonna need it. (My experience only)

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 19:35

@ msg 1, RoxyBob: Don't reply to the msg 4 with its hardly hidden, primitive threats, Bob. As a foreigner you can't win with violence or threats of violence. Have you considered to talk to your neighbour, maybe with the help of a Cypriot Turkish friend?

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 20:37

How vile - I think you did the right thing. Report them to the police. I would take legal action to keep them away from your property. A letter from a lawyer and they will crap themselves!

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 20:45

D

Dutch Crusader



You are very naive.



Post edited , i know you are upset , but racial comments like that will not help your situation .......... Simbas

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 20:51

you have such things happening everywhere in the world - i don't know what's happen with your neighbour but if he has done this without any reason ( and i don't excuse him) he must be unsane - sometimes dogs are barking day and night and people nerves get very bad ! you will know by the police what reason he gave them if he does have one - sorry for your little dog !

judyr


Joined: 07/07/2009
Posts: 956

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 20:58

So sorry for you and your pet but hopefully she will come through and will know that you will love and take care of her.

I live in Ozankoy, above the village, and both daily and nightly I hear the poor wretched dogs barking and howling in desperation. They are chained, in their confinement, with absolutely nothing, no life, no one to love them etc... So many times I have just wanted to go over at night and at least cut them free but should I? It is so heartbreaking. I am sure there are other who can hear this in Ozankoy and what would you do

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 20:59

Syvie



Our dogs are in all night and do not bark. This man doesn't live here. He is renovating his newly bought house and only comes here during the day. Hopefully he will keep his Nicosia house

and just use this one as a weekend home.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:00

Re message 9. Why! oh! why! do people like you make such generalised statements about TCs, lived here for 7 years now and the only really untrustworthy person we came across was a non TCypriot!!!

vonny


Joined: 25/06/2009
Posts: 476

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:02

roxybob,while i understand you are very upset,saying ''You are very naive. Turkish Cypriots say what they think you want to hear. Don't trust them.is quite racialist,how many TC's do you actually know?maybe a turkish cypriot hurt your dog but like sylvie said,''you have such things happening everywhere in the world''i do hope your dog is ok now but please dont make out all TCs are bad people

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:04

I could not imagine what to do in this situation. I guess it would be talk after the explosion of anger.



Its a dog lovers human nature to be most upset !



I wish your dog a speedy recovery something like this will take a long time.



Spider,X

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:08

Yes roxybob I to am upset at what has happened to your dog. Please use the police, you may be pleasantly surprised at the response you may get. We were after a spate of poisonings last year! But please do not tar all TCs with the same brush!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:13

@ msg 9, RoxyBob: (...) You are very naive. Turkish Cypriots say what they think you want to hear. Don't trust them. (...)



▶ I understand and accept that you are bitter and write in anger. However, I beg to differ with your words. I may be naive (I have been called many names on this board, but "naive" is new!), but I have very fine Cypriot Turkish neighbours who do not hit our dogs. And we trust them 100% - they have the key to our front door. And they feed our dogs when we are away.

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:25

We do not wish to talk to these new Cyproit neighbours as you can well understand. Also we



are putting new fencing up to protect our dogs. As you say we cannot say all Cypriots are cruel as our



vets were very caring and did a fantastic job with our little dog. She is still very subduded as you would be



if you had been hit as she was. We are at the vets tomorrow to see how she is responding to



treatment

kavenkoy


Joined: 10/04/2008
Posts: 1787

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:28

easy cure ...follow him ,dark night and a black hat and of course your favourite metal bar ...teach the t..t a lesson .......if you go swimming you get wet ,in any country



kav

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 21:58

Message 7 nothing implied if youstupid dutch man can not read english then set up your forum.



OOPS yop did and it FAILED !!

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:02

Message 7 nothing implied if youstupid dutch man can not read english then set up your forum.



OOPS you did and it FAILED !!

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:04

Threats of violence and racist insults do not help. Animal cruelty exists everywhere.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:08

MSG 1

Did you actualy see this person hit your dog ?

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:12

These people Roxybob and his wife are our ex neighbours, we sold the house 'next door' to I am sorry to say these VILE ignorant TC's. They wanted blood and the estate agents we used, to sow up the deal had to make so many concessions to them. Roxybob and his wife do so much good, all three of their dogs are KAR rescue dogs and so well behaved, to have this happen beggars belief, Roxybob's wife is a regular visitor to the centre to help and walk the dogs there. NoI am not anti TC, many TC friends, but this incident stinks. I know the size of their little dog and the size of the wall, there is absolutely NO way that little dog could have mounted that wall and been threatening towards this B------.We were their neighbours for seven years

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:46

I'll second. third, and fourth, everything Natalie says about roxy and his wife.



They are good people who do not deserve this crap from anyone, TC or otherwise.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:54

Well said, Visitor, just ask the RSPCA about some of the cases they deal with. The racism on this board appalls me.



Judyr I live in Ozankoy and hear the dogs. I accept it as part of living in Cyprus, along with other strange noises. In my area the offenders are :- three ex street dogs fed and sheltered by Cypriots - not chained but allowed to roam outside and barking at noisy and boisterous expats passing on way back from pub. This sets off hunting dogs, chained but frequently excercised, a well cared for but excitable terrier free in gaden, a street dog outside a gate fed by Brits who say it wont be enticed inside and their adopted stray free inside secure garden and mine, particularly a new, still semi trained and yappy puppy, free in enclosed garden when I am at home, indoors at night.



The only dogs chained are the hunting dogs - not ideal but they do get frequent exercise (you just dont see it)

I wouldnt try to release them if I were you! Icontd

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 22:59

You are right in putting a good fence up between the properties My husband did ours and if you need help with this please feel free to contact us..and come view our fencing.. mariavic@live.com





Spider,X

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
27/10/2011 23:10

I THINK the howling dog is the lone terrier - not sure why , I have never seen it chained and it looks very well cared for - some dogs are just over excitable and there is a lot of disturbance and a lot of cats in Ozankoy to set them off. My puppy yaps a lot - the others are better trained - but she is still a baby and I am working on it. I am afraid that is puppies for you - she will hopefully calm downas the others did with age and neutering (still too young ) I dont think she will disturb you at night as I keep them all indoors overnight , but Cyriots and some Brits think that is unhygenic and you cant expect them to.



RoxyBob: My sincere sympathy. I would be climbing walls insame situation. But do not blame all Cypriots there are good and bad as in all race. My prayers for a full recovery.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 02:10

msg 4: what is your neighbours name ? his car reg number? his address ?

msg7:.......@ msg 1, RoxyBob: Don't reply to the msg 4 with its hardly hidden, primitive threats,

msg21:Message 7 nothing implied if youstupid dutch man can not read english then set up your forum.



OOPS you did and it FAILED



You really bring out the best in us Hans. What made you think it was a threat. I thought passionflower had a noisy dog that needed sorting out, ergo, the request for the hit man's ID.

T

ps, wish I could get to bledy sleep, ('n not a noisy dog within earshot) erm, mebbe that's the prob.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 02:40

Brits n dogs!! You're all bonkers!

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 04:37

I in no way before I start condone any cruelty to animals.



However I can understand why a pearson does that and why they poison dogs.



Dog owners must be responsible a house near us has a number of dogs and they howl from 4am till light.



Is that responsible?

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 07:32

Msg 9 , edited for reason given

Simbas

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 08:47

Msg 30 'Brits n dogs!! You're all bonkers!



Simbas. Why didn't you edit the above message. Seems racist to me!!



Bob

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 09:16

MSG 33>Msg 30 'Brits n dogs!! You're all bonkers!



Simbas. Why didn't you edit the above message. Seems racist to me!!



Bob



Mebbe cos it's true, Bob



T

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 09:20

Message 17, well said Dutch, much the same situation here!!!

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 09:21

Message 17, well said Dutch, much the same situation here!!!

Kizzy


Joined: 09/09/2011
Posts: 88

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 11:06

Please do not generalise about TC's.



Recently we saw an English man (yob is a better description) kick our dog because he was passing outside his property and his dogs were barking. We weren't walking far behind our dog but he didn't see us. Confrontation resulted in obscene language and the threat of violence if our dog passed his gate again. Yea right! He tried his best to provoke a fight with us ! We reported the matter to police and he got a little visit. No problems since.

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 12:44

We are not allowed to generalise about T.C's as it's racist. But people generalise aboutt Brits and

that's o.k.!!!

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 13:13

RoxyBob i do hope your poor little dog recovers, yes my personal insticnt would be to wait for him and beat the crap out of him with a metal bar, but thats only going to make matters worse.

i can say that most TC's are not singing from the same hymsheet when it comes to animals, they are not , as far as ive seen to great with animals, but this man just sounds like a cruel nasty piece of s..t , its not because he is TC its because he was brought up to be a bully and a coward, who happens to have inherited/developed an evil cruel streak. I believe in Karma and i hope he gets it back big time!!!



may he rot in hell

Yel2011


Joined: 27/04/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 13:16

OMG THAT IS so sad :( sadly most people dont care about animals . Which I think there should be a more strict law against animal cruelty in this country!. But sadly even the belediye in this country drives around shooting and killing stray dogs :( If only there there animal cops in this country :(( I hope he makes a full recovery x

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 13:39

Roxybob it is individuals who are bad. It has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.







I agree with Moxies comments hope he rots.

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 14:08

roxybob : i am sure you are caring of your animal - i must say i noticed that most cypriot have a very funny way to look after their animals- they leave them to hang around in the street because most of the dogs have collar neck - they bark a lot day and night and are in cage - what is the point of having a dog if you make him to be miserable : hunting for most of them - there are not considered as pets - member of the family - mentallity might change - i hope so - hope your dog is getting better - human can be so cruel sometime -

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 16:41

Roxybob I do hope your little sausage dog is recovering well and will not suffer any lasting problems. I can totally understand how disgusted and upset you must feel however you have to live next door to these people and it could totally take over (and ruin) your life if problems escalate. Is there any way you could bring yourself to try and speak to your neighbours, maybe with the help of a Turkish speaker, to try and find out how they feel and what they are concerned about? It could be that they are frightened and maybe speaking to them and even introducing your dogs to them in a controlled way could help.

You probably think I am mad suggesting this but you have to think of your ongoing happiness and how this could affect you and your animals if it is not nipped in the bud.

I wish you the best of luck.

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 16:48

i see what you are saying joandjelly , but i dont think it will work, personally i think the police should be involved, it is actually against the law here to mistreat animals, i know not many people are willing to take them on , but unless people stand up for themselves , it can not get any better, i dont believe he was at all frightened by this small dog. Just a horrible specimen who shoud at least get a visit from someone in authority ?



just my opinion

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 16:50

or meet the vets bills ?

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 17:14

Moxie the police have been informed (see post 1). I'm sure he wasn't frightened but at the end of the day these people have got to live next door to each other. Surely it is worth trying to sort out their differences before things escalate otherwise they could end up living in a war zone and it won't be the TC who comes off worse.

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 17:29

joandjelly, what you say is very true, its just that im sick of Brits here getting a raw deal and feeling helpless !! because they assume the police will take the TC's side , there comes a time when people have to stand up for themselves, equally people have to sort out their differences, this vile man, sounds like he dosent really care at all, and I personally could not forgive what he did.



A man who belts a small dog over the head with a metal bar, in my books, deserves no second chance.

May i add that just becuase he is TC it dosent make him untouchable.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 17:56

@ msg 38, RoxyBob: (...) We are not allowed to generalise about T.C's as it's racist. But people generalise aboutt Brits and that's o.k.!!! (...)



▶ Bob, you show yourself from bad to worse with this nonsense. 1 : What you wrote, although in understandable anger, is plain racist. 2 : Who are "people" in the quoted line above..?!

P.S. I'm pleased to know a lot of British people, in the UK and here, who are decent, nice people. And like everywhere there are people who I don't want to get acquainted with. That goes for Dutch, Brits, TC's and all other nationalities.

P.P.S Maybe you should think twice before pressing the 'Post Reply' button

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 19:08

What the .............. is wrong with some people , Someone has had a very nasty experience and deserves sympathy and support - apart from being upset about the dog it is very unpleasant to know that a neighbour can do a thing like that - and all you can do is take the opportunity demonstrate their racist and other prejudices and ignorance of decent behaviour, and try to cause trouble for those who are trying to live in harmony. You are ruining the forum and the country.



Only one person has even asked how the dog is getting on!



Roxy Bob: How is the dog? Best thing is get fencing atop the wall and mesh to stop poison. I did after a dog was poisoned in my garden . its worth the peace of mind. And call the Police if it happens again.



PSThere was a time when a caring and helpful Cypriot might have helped in a situation like this. Now they dont want to be involved with Brits and one can see why.

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 19:18

nobody's white or black ! and people from everywhere are getting crazy - they revenge on animals or children or just for the sake of been bad they hit - we need more therapist ! life make them to be stupid or cruel -or they have only one neuron left !

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 20:18

thank you for enquiries as to how our little dog is coping with her trauma. The swelling on her head has gone down a lot and also her bleeding eye is on the mend. After two days at our wonderful vets and lots of antibiotics she looks as if she will be ok. There is still another week of treatment and caring to go



before we have the all clear. Thanks for everybodies support.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
28/10/2011 23:22

msg 1

'''''This morning my little daschound was barking at our wall''''



what did you do to stop your dog barking at your wall?Surely he\he was not barking to the wall!





Why didn't you call your neighbour over the intriduce your dog to them?I personally make the effort to meet the pets before humans since I prefer their company as opposed to humans,but that's me,and other way round,I always make sure to intriduce my animals to any stranger to get to know them.



how much do you care for your pet in order to allow him\her to stand by your wall barking?

KarmaSooty1


Joined: 29/09/2011
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 00:09

yorgozlu



Why are you such a halfwit?

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 01:22

Good God Yorg - you don't half talk some rubbish.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 01:50

Actually Yorg makes sense. I prefer the company of dogs to most humans too!



And my dogs are bi-lingual. I teach them a few Turkish words so that anyone timid around dogs (particularly children) will know I am saying "sit" not "attack"! And I do make sure they get to know regular and welcome visitors to my house.







There are limits though - I doubt I would feel like saying "arkadaş" to my dog if he was being attacked by someone with a metal bar! This incident sounds like an extreme case of the typical bully who picks ON someone smaller than himself to me.



btw was the dog barking in Latin?

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 03:16

Post 55 - I think you may have missed my point - or I have missed Yorg's, of course. The way I read his message was that it had nothing to do with the neighbour who obviously doesn't like dogs, but rather the owner of the dog, who omitted to "introduce" his pet to the new neighbour. Not quite sure of etiquette here, obviously, but it would appear that if a pet owner is remiss enough not to "introduce" his/her pet to his/her neighbour and the neighbour decides to wack it over the head with an iron bar, then it's fair do's? You are, of course, right in what you say about the neighbour being a bully - although I would describe him as someone who just doesn't like dogs.



With regard to which language he happened to be barking in, nothing would surprise me from what I've read on here over the years with regard to what people's pets are capable of.

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 03:22

Message 52



Just your usual helping of nonsense then Numpty

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 06:34

Msg 52



Jorgozlu.



At the time of the incident we were about 5 metres away eating breakfast. As soon as we heard her barking I got up to get her. I was a few seconds too late.



Msg 48



P.P.S Maybe you should think twice before pressing the 'Post Reply' button



I cannot believe you have made this statement. Go back and look at your postings and will realise how foolish the statement is.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 07:36

Hope your little dog responds well to the treatment and gets well soon.



People unfortunately come with all sorts of prejudices. Some hate dogs, some are afraid of dogs, some are just plain nasty.



I thought I was afraid of dogs (having been badly bitten as a 7 year old) the dog next door cured me. She was so persistent that I would love her, I now do and worry when she doesn't come to say hello. Pity your neighbour hadn't taken the trouble to get to know your dog rather than reaching for the first thing he could to hit your dog. Dogs bark, some people shout and talk too much and too loudly, would you hit them over the head?

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 08:33

Roxybob, re message 58, did you actually witness the dog being assaulted!? Sorry to ask this but I am starting to become very confused about the entire scenario!

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 09:10

as fate would have it, after reading this post i went outside ...to witness a shepherd whacking his dog on the head with his hand, for no apparent reason , i watched and waited, then he hit its face with a stick..................yes he got a barrage of abuse from me, i asked him why , he said he wasn't doing anthing thing,i told him i had seen him, i called him a few names, mainly idiot!! and said it is not ok to treat an animal this way,the poor dog was cowering on the floor, lets hope he thinks twice before doing it again, as maybe another angry woman/or very large man , will have a go at him.



roxybob , how is the little one today ?

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 09:38

i have read some crap on this board over the years, but seriously, msg 52, are you serious??? my dog occasionally barks at our direct neighbours even though she knows them all, its excitement and maybe nerves, if they have made her jump....none of them have whacked her over the head with an iron bar. it amazes me that any one would try to defend the tc neighbour just because he is a tc and we are living here in trnc! my husband is a tc, and would no more whack a living creature over the head with anything, than he would fly to mars. defending or making excuses for this kind of behaviour is inexcusable in itself, this is not a culture issue it is a human being issue...if the neighbours are scared of the dogs then they should speak to the owner, not hang over the wall and batter the dog with a metal pole.



i hope your dog makes a full recovery and is traumatised by what has happened roxybob.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 09:39

ooopss...isnt traumatised not is!!!!

Tango1


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 1151

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 09:59

If I were to live here until Doomsday, the brutality, cruelty and ignorance towards animals will never cease to disgust me. Amongst some of the poorer, uneducated workers and their families it is even worse and ingrained in their cultural beliefs. I met an elderly Turkish woman a few weeks ago, who had told her pregnant grand-daughter that she should never go within 10 metres or so and certainly never touch any animal which had black fur. If she did, then the baby would be born dead or malformed. That was after I had seen the pregnant woman in distress. With that sort of belief, what chance is there? Education seems to be the only answer.



As to reporting to the police. Not worth using your petrol driving to the nearest P. station.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 10:35

my sister in law has recently had a baby, she went to a private, modern clinic here for her pre-natal checks and was told not to touch animals or she would lose the baby. she wouldnt come any where near our dog, who she has know from a puppy. its very sad, because in her mind now animals are a threat to her childs health, the child will grow up being kept at arms length away from animals and so history repeats itself. ive seen it with many times, and whilst there is no cruelty to animals, there is no respect for them either. i know they find it difficult to understand that i want to get back for the dog if we have been out for a period of time, or how devastated i was when my beloved old dog died. it is partly lack of education, but mainly that animals just dont figure in family life for most cypriots.

stockiefan


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 574

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 13:02

These people who treat animals the way they do need the crap kicking out of them, perhaps thats the only way they would understand how it feels!!! Its like living a third world country here it really is!

I worked in Afghanistan for over two years, you would think that was a backward country, it puts this place to shame.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 18:10

what a bunch of unintelligent losers............other then the few.........





you love your animal\pet!.........then protect them.(like you would your kids)





afterwards it's too little too late









oh,and while you sit whinging,your poor animals are suffering.....................and have the cheek to moan about it.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:09

yorgo..



Are you suggesting we all we all get crash helmets for our dogs and teach them all the green X code !





Its jmho that you might be !





Spider,X

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:17

Yes there remain some superstitions about animals mainly among the less educated (there are also some strange supertitions and urban myths among the expats) . These often have a basis on fact and an untreated dog (like some of the strays here ) can carry diseases and parasites that are harmful to humans, particularly children).



The example is education and example. I keep trying to explain that my dogs are "safe" because they have been checked by a vet and had all their injections. It takes time and peristance. But if I find Vets fees a strain on my pension think of those on minimum - or no - wage.



I think that what Yorg is trying to say is that you should also demonstrate that you dog is a trained and conrolled companion and not an aggressive animal liable to attach. And make sure you dog knows who is afriend.



This case does however sound an exception to the rule.



Maybe I am prejudiced because when I have been ill or desperately needed someone to care for my anim

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:17

yes i am sure that taking your dog next door to introduce it to the neighbour who is pre-disposed to whack dogs over the head with an iron bar is definitely the way forward....why arent we all as clever as you yorguzlu...thank you for enlightening us unintelligent losers...what would this board be without you and your constant racism and put downs?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:25

I2m allright jack,my dogs are nicely tucked up sitting next to me.................inc my kangal.







thank you for understanding where I'm coming from bizzilizzi.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:31

animals it was Cypriots and done it well. The Brits were the ones who "crossed on the other side" . Too busy attending meeting of charities and getting their pics in the papers or fussing over their swimmming pools.



But OH Yorg. While I am typing my animals are suffering so much. You can see it in their relaxed posture and blissful faces as they take their ease on the sofa after a joyful game inthe garden, with full tums and brushed and untangled coats.

RoxyBob


Joined: 13/07/2009
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:51

Thank you to everybody who was concerned about our little dog. After another day at the vets



and a few more jabs she looks as if she is going to be ok. Just one more check up next week.

bigbadbob


Joined: 04/08/2010
Posts: 368

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 21:18

Msg 73 glad everything is going ok but have you managed to have a discussion with your neighbour as to why he attacked your dog?

natalie


Joined: 03/05/2009
Posts: 323

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 21:36

To all that have posted,good or bad and for whatever reason, this 'gentleman' would have had to physically 'lean' over this wall to strike this little dog as he did. And you say 'talk' to this brute? This little dog was no threat to him.. Tc, Brit, whatever nationality, what he did was pure brutality, and I personally know what i would do with him on a dark night.

bigbadbob


Joined: 04/08/2010
Posts: 368

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 21:43

Msg75 I agree with your comments but sometimes you have to use diplomocy in situations like this but when the Brute in question thinks it is all over then you can have him sorted!!

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 22:12

yorg how can you protect animals in your own garden ?? village mentality, people say the Turks are backwards, ??? old wives tales ...for gods sake its 2011!!!!



ive witnessed a dog having its head stoved in by a Turkish woman,myself a vet and my husband released it from the bear trap which it was caught in. Village idiot, thought it was a good idea to have a bear trap ?





needless to say , SHE WAS LOCKED up, the excuse was her husband died and her son in prison, i hope she is still rotting there with him !!



bizzilizzi this man is obviously an arse , no talking what so ever will make it better....................can the locals do this with their horrible screamimg children ?? make them stop ? No ,same as a dog.





msge 76.............agree

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:41

Moxie I said this case was the exception to the "talking" ! But dont tar all Cypriots with the same brush - there are plenty of horrible cruelty cases in the UK, and elsewhere.



And returning violence with violence isnt the answer, public pressure is, get sensible Cypriots on side instead of antagonising them and keep pressuring for more law enforcement against cruelty -

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 00:31

Moxie I said this case was the exception to the "talking" ! But dont tar all Cypriots with the same brush - there are plenty of horrible cruelty cases in the UK, and elsewhere.



And returning violence with violence isnt the answer, public pressure is, get sensible Cypriots on side instead of antagonising them and keep pressuring for more law enforcement against cruelty -

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 05:04

I don't give a s**t about the 'man^,I care for my animals.I even managed to teach our neighbours (turks) kids no to wind them up when they walk by.They now sit and have them on their laps.







in any case,people beleive in what they want tp beleive in.Hope your dog recoveres soon.

Cocklebay


Joined: 26/02/2011
Posts: 353

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 07:28

Message 79, lets not forget the very caring lady in the UK, who tossed the cat in the dustbin! Bless her!!

petsitter61


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 09:41

hope roxy gets wells soon



love from linda & boa-by (rescued 1 year old dashound )

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 10:00

Msg 67 , Yorg , why do you have to be so rude ?

Simbas

moritzkatz


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 11:17

I feel certain if it was my little dog he would learn quickly how to bend an iron bar right on top of the ugly neighbors head sometime when it's dark outside and no witnesses . . . revenge is sweet and even sweeter when by a small dog and were he to bite off his nuts while he is at it that too would please me.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 11:53

Msg 84 , Not condoning what this man did at all , but violence breeds violence and is a learned behaviour , sadly it was probably his upbring and surroundings that made him the person he is today .

Simbas

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 12:24

The dog barking obviously pushed the guy over the edge, it might have been better if he had come round and asked you to stop the dog barking before he stoved your head in with a bar?



Barking dogs can have a devastating effect on the mindset of those that are forced to listen to it.

moritzkatz


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 69

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 14:09

Likewise for listening to screaming kids and crying babies but that is no excuse to bash in one head

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 14:25

simbas

beleive you me,you'd know when I'm rude.





I'm dissapointed of you,of the fact that you had also joined the same bunch! :(



Sal

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 15:31

This is so sad.

I have wonderful TC neighbours and their dog comes into my house regularly especeially at meal times. I have given him access to my field for his goats.

We visit each other often and enjoy BBQs and family occasions together. I have introduced them to the auctions and markets and obtained items for them on this forum.

It is such a shame that these people cannot live together and enjoy being/having a good neighbour as it brings so much more to life.

stockiefan


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 574

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 15:43

You mean when one smashes an iron bar at the dog almost killing it!! Is that your idea of a good neighbour then?????????

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 16:11

unfortunately not all neighbours are as nice as yours hildysmith...tc or any other nationality.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 16:18

all neighbours are nice.........if you are nice to them.



The first house I bought in one particular area in kent,I was told it was a NO GO area for the foreigners.I bought the house and 3 more afterwards.Most cried as I was leaving.Still in contact with most and most often ask me 'when I'm going back home'!







carry on kidding yourselves.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 17:04

There are many cases of animal cruelty. In the UK, A dogs leg was sawn off by his owner to avoid vets fees, a cat was placed in a washing machine, dog fights are on the rise. These cruel incidents are abt individuals nor abt nationality.



I am astonished at the numbers of people who loose there pets in Cyprus. I watch my pets all the time, never go anywhere unless I make arrangements I am confident abt. I live in France and some of my neighbours

have awful attitudes to animals especially dogs. These problems are universal.

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 17:54

msg 92, all i can say is that you must have been really lucky with your neighbours to think that all neighbours are nice...sadly that isnt true for a lot of people, no matter how nice you may be it is not the case that your neighbour is always nice. we are lucky in that our direct neighbours are very nice, but not everyone in our street is the same, and im not talking about tc's.



and clearly the person who started this post doesnt have a nice neighbour, if he would lean over the wall and hit a small dog on the head with an iron pole...there is absolutely no excuse for that behaviour...whether you like your neighbour or not, violence towards animals is inexcusable.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 18:23

If you let your dog bark incessantly causing the ruination of my existence I will more than likely crack someone or something over the head eventually.I'd like to think I gave you the choice though.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 18:30

There is one point we are all missing.



Ever since this thread started I have beenthinking "what sort of person bashes a small furrry animal on the head!?" The answer is I would, and so would all of you - if the animal was a rat ! And we would be frightened of it and have no compunction about killing it because rats carry nasty diseases and threaten us, our children and our animals.



Sadly the problem is some Cypriots and many mainland Turks see dogs just like that - they are vermin and carry diseases , And there is an element of truth - the excretia of unwormed dogs can carry a worm that causes blindness in children. Some years ago there was an Island wide , inter communal , UN led initiative to treat all dogs and eradicate the worm, but I never heard how effecive it was.



I am surely every dog owner here has their dogs regularly wormed and innoculated. Do you think it might be an idea. instead of haveing "beware of the dog" notices having notices saying:

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 18:40

This (these) dog(s) have been checked by a Vet and innoculated against disease and do not have diseases which are dangerous to humans". In English and Turkish of course. I frequently to expain this, but to my shame my Turkish isnt up to it.



And dont be too critical of ignorance , does anyone remember the horrific scene in "Ring of Bright Water" where the perfectly nice , kind workman kills the pet otter with a spade . When the woman is horrified he says "but it was only an otter".

Tinkie


Joined: 16/03/2009
Posts: 1256

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 18:41

am i missing something? so the neighbour whacked the dog over the head with a pole because he was scared that he was going to catch a disease from a worm it was carrying?, whilst it was over the wall in its own garden...... seriously i should read less of the crap on this board.

Roomy


Joined: 20/02/2011
Posts: 836

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 18:44

The neighbour hit the dog because the owner of the dog never stopped it's barking for one reason or another.

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 19:01

msg 94

' violence towards animals is inexcusable.'





thats the only bit I agree in your comments...................though I can't promise about my behaviour with my pig these days.







vonny

thank you for understanding me.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 19:08

there are programmes in the UK - Neighbours from hell

I also had one neighbour who killed my koi carp.

But in the main good neighbours is a 2 way relationship.

I am pleased to say I have wonderful neighbours here - its a blessing in an otherwise miserable place

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 20:54

Roomy;



C'mon fess up, are you Pikey?



Because if you're not you're as much of a p$%£ as he is.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 21:10

There is one point we are all missing.



Ever since this thread started I have beenthinking "what sort of person bashes a small furrry animal on the head!?" The answer is I would, and so would all of you - if the animal was a rat ! And we would be frightened of it and have no compunction about killing it because rats carry nasty diseases and threaten us, our children and our animals.



Sadly the problem is some Cypriots and many mainland Turks see dogs just like that - they are vermin and carry diseases , And there is an element of truth - the excretia of unwormed dogs can carry a worm that causes blindness in children. Some years ago there was an Island wide , inter communal , UN led initiative to treat all dogs and eradicate the worm, but I never heard how effecive it was.



I am surely every dog owner here has their dogs regularly wormed and innoculated. Do you think it might be an idea. instead of haveing "beware of the dog" notices having notices saying:

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 21:26

no sorry i wouldnt , couldnt and never would kill or harm any living creature....knowingly !



yes there are certain creatures labelled as vermin, and rats are not on my list. Mankind , however is.





The specimen that hit the dog is a great example

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 21:38

Sorry about the "echo" I have no idea why it happened!



What exactly was the weapon - it started out as a metal bar - now it is a pole!



Roomy - how do you know the dog was barking all the time? Where you there? I hope you are not one of the people who walks under my windows shouting and screaming from the pub disturbing the peace and setting the dogs off, otherwise there is a chance you will get hit with a blunt instument.



Tinkie - It was a serious attempt to understand and therefore cope with the mindset of mistreatment of animals and start discussion of ways of coping with it . However it appears that people use a very sad and distressing occurrence as yet another opportunity to excercise their own prejudices instead being positive but none violent about preventing recurrences. I give up!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 21:39

Bizzylizzi

It is called Toxicara.

It is also important for owners to pick up their dog poo to spot this spreading.

That is why if is an offence in the UK to allow your dog to poo without picking it up.

I have tired to buy poo-bags here but have not been able to get any. So I have been getting my supplies from the UK, family and friends bring them over. Also, we get so many carrier bags here we use them as well

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 21:40

Sorry: STOP this spreading.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 22:28

Hilda:



It is more important to have dogs innoculated and to teach children not to touch nasties - the problem is untreated stays (and probably hunting and shepherds dogs)



Try Mr. Pound.



Ive explained the problem of carrying trowels and scrapers before - in the UK they have bins.

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 23:27

No dogs whether treated for worms or not should not be allowed to poo in the street, gutters or grass verges, if they do it should all be removed one way or the other it's just not nice to see and children should not have to be taught not to touch nasties. I would find some way to do it.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 23:38

Hilda:



It is more important to have dogs innoculated and to teach children not to touch nasties - the problem is untreated stays (and probably hunting and shepherds dogs)



Try Mr. Pound.



Ive explained the problem of carrying trowels and scrapers before - in the UK they have bins.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 00:09

OK Woodspeckie : I surrender. I am too old and handicapped to deserve dogs - and dont have three hands. - anyway nowhere to take them because all the suitable places where they used to run in peace without inconenience to anyone are covered in villas or swimming pools and the roads are too busy and dangerous with all the nasty big people in nasty big cars who care nothing but their enjoymnent and who have changed this country into a place I no longer like anyway. I should be put down or sent back to the UK to finish my days in the corridor of a geriatric ward.and I should t be all that sorry - I exhausted struggling with the results of all this ignorance and prejudice

Now about these three good healthy dogs who are not allowed to pooh (as you put it) on pavements or culivated verges but may use a gutter in dire emergency and on whom I have spent a lot of money and lavished time and effort to keep out of your way and are now homeless again.................

Woodspeckie


Joined: 25/01/2009
Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 01:30

BizziLizzi. Where did I infer you shouldn't have dogs, you said childen should be taught not to touch nasties all I am saying is that the nasties should not be there in the first place, if it as you say you have nowhere to take the dogs then you don't have a problem, I too had a problem when looking after my Son's dog the waste ground at the top of my Close where I used to take him got built on 2 years ago and having no grass in my garden or surrounding area I had to take him in my car to take him walking, unfortunatley he his no longer with us Arthritis took over and just last week we had to take him to the vet who ended his life he was 15 years old. Take care.

girnegeeza


Joined: 17/05/2010
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 01:59

Interesting 112 posts resulting from the post of a neighbour hitting a dog with a iron bar, I wonder what interest would have been generated if the neighbour had hit the owner of the dog instead!



Now I am not condoning this action before everyone jumps on this but simply asking would 112 posts be made for an act of mindless violence towards another person.



Any comments?

MsGarnet


Joined: 04/01/2009
Posts: 989

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 03:51

Yes, we don't know the height of the wall, how long the dog had been barking - how it is known it was a metal bar as no-one was there to see the deed - we just have one side of the story. I am OBVIOUSLY not condoning violence to an animal any more than to another human - just saying - no-one, not even the owners, were there to see it ...

moxie


Joined: 23/05/2009
Posts: 969

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 10:19

msge 54 explains where they were , and how long the barking went on for, he must have seen the bar just after it was hit...i guess.