the meaning of bayram

happyitaliano


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 10:45

What is the meaning of Bayram next week?Are they celebrating something in here? is it cypriot culture?

roisin


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 11:16

It is Kurban Bayram (in Turkish) Sacrificial Bayram. It is an Islamic celebration.It is celebrating the event in the Koran when Ibrahim was told by Allah to sacrifice his son Ismail. Although Ibrahim was going to do this Allah sent a lamb/sheep for him to sacrifice instead. Traditionally people have a sheep or lamb slaughtered and give a third to their neighbours,a third to the poor and the rest for themselves. (In the bible Abraham is told by God to sacrifice Isaac)

happyitaliano


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 11:29

That is very interestig

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 11:48

It's not nice to see though in some of the villages the killing is done in the street and the lamb hung outside the house.

somro


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 12:05

it is very interesting because ALLAH PAK says a muslims then we are zibbah the lamb and cow because we are muslims remember

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 12:33

Not nice perhaps, but it is part of local culture and one of the things you must accept if you decide to live here.



Although a lot of Cypriots are deciding it is pleasanter, easier and probably more useful to give a donation to Charity instead. Sensible but a shame if the celebrations that go with eating the meat get lost.



Personally I think it is probably kinder to the animals than carting them in a lorry without foot , water or fresh air for hundred of miles then terrifying them by herding them into a slaughter house smelling of blood, fear and death - but of course you dont see that!



I did it once when I moved into my new house - but I took the advice of a Cypriot friend and had a butcher kill, joint and hang the lamb and invited friends to a housewarming barbecue. Another thing Cypriots are increasingly using a butcher which does mean the animal is quickly and cleanly killed by someone who knows what he is doing.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 12:43

"quickly and Cleanly Killed"..I think you will find that they have their jugulars cut and bleed to death...

somro


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 14:29

it is very interesting because ALLAH PAK says a muslims then we are zibbah the lamb and cow because we are muslims remember

vonny


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:00

I think its a good thing, and like bizzilizzi said,most use a butcher to kill the lamb rather than do it themself,you cannot eat the whole lamb yourself,you have to give some of it away and originally,you gave it to poorer families who couldnt afford meat,also,please remember how many turkeys are fattened up and slaughtered around christmas and end up on your plate for xmas dinner,

matula


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:08

2 years ago the local weirdo neighbour across the street from us (Oruc Reis Socak, Lapta) slaughtered the sheep which was delivered in the boot of a beat up Renault outside his front door! The most disgusting barbaric thing I and my wife had ever had the misfortune to see.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 20:18

Message 7 - Halal (and Kosher) meat is killed that way. There are rules to ensure least possible pain to animal. I still think it is probably kinder than the way we get most of our meat - see my earlier post. Have your ever seen an abatoir?



Vonny has a good point about Christmas Turkeys. And think about veal where calves are kept in the dark to keep their meat white, foie gras for which Geese and fed to produce fat livers, and many intensive farming methods.



Meat doesnt originate wrapped in clingfilm on the Supermarket shelves or in a tasty sauce on your plate to protect our sensibilities, animals have to be killed

Sid447


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 20:55

Mssg 10 ...."The most disgusting barbaric thing I and my wife had ever had the misfortune to see."



Don't bother visiting countries where people are blown to pieces just because of a strong difference of belief & opinion.



As in BizziLizzi's mssg; everythings relative.

Being used to a life of neatly arranged clean cuts of meat in a super-clean supermarket and having all animals "humanely" killed by the thousand in a large building miles away from the populace kind of cocoons most of the western world I guess.

Welcome to a bit of reality and culture!

Deniz1


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 20:58

If you dont like the heat get out of the kitchen

matula


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 21:04

Msg 12. I lived in Africa for 34 years my friend and saw many strange things including a robber being shot dead about 10 feet from me so don't pontificate about my standards,

matula


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 21:08

And that goes for you as well Deniz!!!!

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:49

So why are you so squeamish about a dead animal in the back of a car? Your prejudices are showing, Matula!

matula


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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 09:37

The animal wasn't dead when it was in the back of the car. It was dragged out and hung up on a tripod by it's back legs and killed in full view of anyone who happened to be passing! Blood running down the road, ugh! He could at least have done it in his back yard but no--typical macho TC.

simbas



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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 10:20

Msg 17 , Matula , to be fair , unfortunately this type of slaughter is used all over the world " I was horrified and physically sick when i saw this happen by chance in Ghana , and was laughed at for doing so . The cow in question took ages to die . My family were quick to point out that this is how it has been for centuries ???. It was their culture , and the meat was divided up to distribute to the poor .

Simbas

daisy dukes


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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 10:21

Several years ago i was invited to a neighbours house to see this ritual performed, and i figured as i live here i ought to go at least once.



Well....it started off ok...the sheep was led in and sort of cuddled while the men stood around praying...then they started cutting the neck, but the knife was extremely blunt, and the chap doing it was see sawing back and forth across the neck the poor sheep was making all these pitiful sounds, and it took quite a long time for it to die....I was mortified, and ended up sobbing my heart out (which everyone found amusing) i quickly gave my apologies and left.



Now, i guess if it was done correctly ie, with a sharp knife, i wouldn't have been upset at all...but this is a memory i sorely wish i could forget.



DD

bigOz


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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 11:17

I agree it may not be very humane to slaughter any animal, but it has been happening all the time for the past million years or more. One must consider two factors when passing opinions in such matters; the need for survival (as in eating meat), and the traditions followed by various religions & cultures.

My priorities lie more with things like the mutilation of the genitals of young women in Africa (clit circumcision), the mutilation of human bodies when bombs are exploded around innocent children & women by terrorists and bombs dropped indiscriminately from the air onto civilians by friends and foes alike.

Affluent society members seem to get pleasure in bypassing these, and attracting attention to unnecessary detail when it comes to animals.

Civilised people on the same wavelength with some of the opinions here, did not think twice about cutting off and eating the flesh of their dead friends after an air crash in Andes?

AND somro; what on earth are you on about??

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 22:51

Daisy : bad experience and bad example, I did the same as you for same reasons and I wasnt comfortable (but I am squeamish anyway) but it wasnt so clumsy and unpleasant. They are supposed to use a very sharp unserrated knife and and a single cut which I feel probably causes less long term suffering than commercial procedures..



You can check the proper procedures for Halal and Kosher on Wilkipedia rather than relying on folklore and hearsay.



Big OZ I agree - but killiing animals should be done with the least possible suffering and, if people are folowing a relgious procedure they should do it properly - the rules for Halal are definitely not barbaric.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 23:37

Daisy : bad experience and bad example, I did the same as you for same reasons and I wasnt comfortable (but I am squeamish anyway) but it wasnt so clumsy and unpleasant. They are supposed to use a very sharp unserrated knife and and a single cut which I feel probably causes less long term suffering than commercial procedures..



You can check the proper procedures for Halal and Kosher on Wilkipedia rather than relying on folklore and hearsay.



Big OZ I agree - but killiing animals should be done with the least possible suffering and, if people are folowing a relgious procedure they should do it properly - the rules for Halal are definitely not barbaric.