BEWARE of STOP THE BLACKMAIL campaign

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 12:46

Please read the postings on this forum which relate to brits with problems, which include the INCESU PROJECT on land owned by Hasan Sungur.

The two people who are running the STOP THE BLACKMAIL campaign are the ones who are siding with the landowners against the 7 British INCESU buyers.

The 7 unsuspecting buyers have waited up to 5 years for their villas and are still waiting - 2 have been made homeless 1 in the UK who lost his home and one had had to sell her home to pay for the pile of bricks standing on Hasan Sungur's land

Between the 3 of them:

Sener Law Firm, Hasan Sungur and Cafer Yucelgazi - they have ensured that there is no chance of these people EVER getting their homes.

WHAT DID THE BRITISH BUYERS DO TO DESERVE THIS TREATMENT?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 12:57

... And if you are active on Facebook: check if your name has been added to this group - it LOOKS LIKE this could have happened without your consent.



Also at least "remarkable": the number of Cypriot Turks supporting this Facebook group...



By the way (msg 1): who are the two people running this Facebook group?

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 13:05

NOT TRUE



the people you refer to are ► Not RUNNING IT◄ as you may or may not know the way facebook groups are set up people opt out if added rather than are invited this is how facebook decided it would be not by the group founder.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 13:14

@ msg 3, passionflower: Nigel, my name was added to this group "Stop the blackmail" without my consent/knowledge and I had to opt out when I happened to find out.

Strange behaviour for people in a group against blackmail.

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 13:26

hans you can read English ...



► the way facebook groups are set up people opt out if added rather than are invited this is how facebook decided it would be not by the group founder. ◄ blame facebook not the people setting up groups.



It is face book who changed the way people join / are added to groups from invition to opt out when added by " friends" but then again you know that imho , just like you know I am Nigel ( not )what You think you know and what you actually know are not the same imho.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 13:36

@ msg 5: (...) It is face book who changed the way people join / are added to groups from invition to opt out when added by " friends" (...)

▶ Facebook is to blame for making this possible - people who use this possibility are to blame for doing it. I don't want to be added to any group without my knowledge/consent. It's that easy.

mcstyler


Joined: 15/08/2011
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 14:11

how thick are somepeople to call cyprus turk theres no such thing your either cyp or turk you cant make up new race you think about it the big bit of cyprus is cypriots not greeks people foolish naive and deluded and waht things a certain way it neber can be

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 14:19

@ msg 7, mcstyler: Another scatterhead hijacking a thread.

mcstyler


Joined: 15/08/2011
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 14:39

dutch crusader



meet me at black olive tonight for a rap battle i show you how to rap mc dc

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 15:08

The two people I am referring to on here are Browneyes (Pembe) and Pauline Reed - Misunderstood. I don't know how many more are involved.

I did not at this on facebook and I followed the lead and it said (words to the affect) that If I joined that all my friends would be included so I cancelled it - that was before I knew that the people involved are openly supporting landowners against Brtis.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 15:41

WOW that is fantastic

A Who's Who of the Blackmailers

The friends included:

Mustafa Sener - my ex-advocate and the ex Advocate of nearly all of the INCESU BUYERS, who got us into this mess in the first place with his Sungur/Yucelgazi Contract

Hasan Sungur - The INCESU Landowner who REFUSED to sign any of the INCESU BUYERS contracts so in effect put himself above the law.

- Didn't sign the docs Gov, got nothing to do with me Gov,

Another Advocate there who is/was the Advocate for Cafer Yucelgazi I have papers with his name on

WHAT A JOKE!!!!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 15:47

Message 7



Totally off subject I know but.



' how thick are somepeople to call cyprus turk theres no such thing your either cyp or turk you cant make up new race you think about it the big bit of cyprus is cypriots not greeks people foolish naive and deluded and waht things a certain way it neber can be'



First of all I will ask you 2 questions:

1: What is the predominant language in the South of the Island of Cyprus?

2: What is the predominant language in the North of the Island of Cyprus?



I would suggest you at least talk to the inhabitants of the North to find out what their preferred description is.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:02

No wonder these ladies have been attacking me and the INCESU BUYERS and singing the praises of the poor victims who took all of our money an used an unregistered builder to get rid of exchange land before the Greeks come back.



They have some very strange bedfellows (metaphorically speaking) if they aim to do that STOP the blackmail!!!!



As I said before

The loonies have taken over the asylum!!!!!!!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:24

Hasan Sungur only wants another £20k for the land I have already paid £90k+

Cafer Yucelgazi only wants antoher £20k for my house on Sungur's Exchange land when I have already paid £90k+

Sener Law Firm deducted monies from all my staged payments.



STOP THE BLACKMAIL IN NORTH CYPRUS - Strange way to do it!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:27

@ msg 11, HildySmith: The Facebook group "Stop the blackmail" is a very remarkable group indeed...

It claims to have 1316 members, but I really wonder how many "members" realize/know/agree that they are members*!

* Even the Lefkoşa Belediye and Gazimağusa Belediye support "Stop the blackmail"... Hmm

And there are indeed some other names on the member list to make one smile...

mcstyler


Joined: 15/08/2011
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:31

thicko what has that got to do with the price of bacon i speak to cypriots in north and all say not turkish dont want turkish its just langauge what language is spoke in america not mean not american thico poo face

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:39

mcstyler



Who are you calling poo face?

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:55

Regardless of the Language you speak

A CON IS A CON

A SCAM IS A SCAM

FRAUD IS FRAUD

THEFT IS THEFT

whos is running this **** asylum - They too may be THICKOs but the know how to take money from unsuspecting PENSIONERS

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 16:58

What does this group do?

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:05

Hildy



amd you were the one defending the thief Sabena!!! How ironic.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:05

Although I was lead to believe different, it appears that Pembe (Browneyes) and Pauline Read (Misunderstood) are not running the STOP THE BLACKMAIL IN NORTH CYPRUS GROUP - I apologise if I mislead others as I have been mislead.



However, That does not change the fact that they instigators of the BLACKMAIL of the INCESU SITE are all in this group.



Does not give it much credability in my eyes.

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:07

and you don't have any credibility in my eyes.

mcstyler


Joined: 15/08/2011
Posts: 205

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:22

hildy



is there anything styler can do to help i have contacts and peopel listen to me because im massive

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:36

CyprusNow

You are in favour of the blackmailing of british pensioners are you?

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:45

I wont dignify this unwarranted attack on a group who is trying to do good. Hildy I feel extremely sorry for you.



Dutch Crusader apart from ME adding you to the group, for which I apologise, what harm has the group done you, indeed by your own admission, the list has made you smile. You keep smiling whilst we try to make a difference. I suppose your appearance at the Candlelit Vigil led me to believe you would want to be in the group I was wrong and I have apologised.



I shall tell the group of this attack and ask if they want me to stand down as admin or leave the group. The very last thing I would want to do is harm the group whose aim is very worthwhile.

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:52

Hildy Smith



You are in favor of rental agencies stealing from their customers, are you?

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:57

@ msg 25, misunderstood: After the deeply disappointing experience with the Candlelit Vigil in Nicosia, where even most of the victims didn't bother to show up, I've told you several times that I wouldn't be involved anymore. Not active and not with support.

So I find it strange that you added my name to this group "Stop the blackmail", without asking me.

But I gladly accept your apology and wish you well in your fight.

As far as I'm concerned there is no reason for you to stand down.

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 17:59

Looks like you misunderstood then.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 18:26

So it would seem CyprusNow.



Thank you DC you know I respect you, we have been threatened by the same people?



Call me an optomist but I thought you might change your mind, you didn't I apologised, you accepted my apology, we are I hope still friends.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 18:29

Message 26

you asked:

'You are in favor of rental agencies stealing from their customers, are you?'



I live in rented accommodation I have no choice !!!!!!!!!!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 18:33

Misunderstood

You state:

I feel extremely sorry for you



JOIN THE CLUB

I feel extremely sorry for myself !!!

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 18:35

off topic or what close it asap.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 18:39

Bloody hell a first, Hildy agrees with me.



passionflower, I can remember a time when I was banned as pollymarples when I was only allowed one thread on the same topic at the same time..............guess I should have changed my name to Hildy not misunderstood.

mozgor



Joined: 16/06/2010
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:01

@ Hildysmith - have to be honest, I'm totally confused. You say Stop The Blackmail FB Group is siding with the landowners against the Brits, how do you reach that conclusion? Pretty much everything I've read, is quite the opposite in that the groups' main focus is to identify the crooks and fraudsters in an attempt to unify those who have had problems with builders, solicitors, banks, etc who haven't delivered what they promised.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:04

Because I am one of them

I am one of the INCESU buyers whose landowner is

Hasan Sungur

Advocate Sener Law Firm

Contracts by Dor...... Advocates

there are several posts Pauline Reed and Pembe attacking the Incesu buyers and defending Hasan Sungur as the VICTIM!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:05

Grow up Pauline

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:09

And now we find that the 'Rat Pack' and I don't mean the singers

are all friends on Facebook



STOP THE BLACKMAIL IN NORTH CYPRUS



Well you know what they say,

'Keep your friends close and your enemies closer still' !

daisy dukes


Joined: 06/09/2008
Posts: 3815

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:22

Sorry for being thick, but is anyone else completely lost on this thread....





DD

passionflower


Joined: 20/09/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:23

oh dear a woman feels she is scorned hell hath no fury than .......... THE STANGE THING IS THERE IS NO MENTON OF catherines / HildySmiths problems on STOP THE BLACKMAIL perhaps she should look at http://bit.ly/tmeH3N

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:27

Its my understand that you can always leave a group whenever you wish..



Take a look..like it or leave it. ! simple.............





Spider,X

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 19:54

Hildy, all I personally have ever wanted is to help you. You don't want my help, fine. YOu attack a group whose members include people you have a beef with. I still believe Hasan Sungur is A victim, I stll believe you are A victim, I still believe every purchaser on Incesu is A victim. Hate it or like it, your only hope of help will be from your fellow VICTIM. No-one is 'the victim', we are all victims.



You seem to believe you can be as abrasvie as you wish and no one is allowed to answer you. Life is not like that so suck it up.



Stop the Blackmail is a group, of course we know there are members who have joined only to find out what we are up to, even my secret policeman told me he would join. It is an open group. You tell me to grow up, well seems you could do well to take your own advice. You dont like us, don't join. It is as simple or as complicated as that.

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 22:30

HILDY SMITH -Cathrine



"The GC's screwed the TC's so it is OK for the TC's to screw the Brits to get back their rights "





Before you make any further comments about others who try hard to held others would you like to explain your comment above!......... What is meant by "The GC's screwed the TC's"........ HOW DARE YOU !!!!!!!!

People have given you enough time and effort and you make these kind of remarks.

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 22:48

DC

I am so sorry that you was not entertained by the STOP THE BLACKMAIL fb group and you found the list of friends amusing ! But this group is a very serious group and we help and support many people who are very satisfied and follow our appretiate the up dates that are given and shared ! Im glad that you get fully entertained by pathetic and sad people like Hildy on the c44 !



Hildy !

Maybe you should open your eyes and see whos SCREWING YOU !!!!! How dare you make such remarks maybe you would like to explain yourself ! you pathetic woman we actually gave you a lot of time and you have many solutions in your case but when you dont like things you twist them to suit you!



We try to support many people at least we have I site to share problems and express ourselves as property victims, as we do on the STOP THE BLACKMAIL fb group ! From this week on, we will now be putting in ALL our efforts to help the victims of Gary Robb whos properties are now going up for auction !

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 22:58

Our efforts will now be focused on the new auctions coming up including GARY ROBBS PROPERTIES in KARAMAN and ANOTHER SITE IN TATLISU sold on by REMAX and ADVOCATE of the site MUSTAFA SOKER sounds familiar ...... yes another group of victims ! If you would like to follow these cases and many more join or STOP THE BLACKMAIL FACEBOOK GROUP and see for yourself the hard work that goes in to this group there are already 1315 members so it cant all be bad !!!!!! Meet other victims and share your problems.

This is an open group so you are welcome to read it without joining !



Yes I am a committee member so inbox me there if you would like to share anything with me !

PEMBE - STOP THE BLACKMAIL FACEBOOK GROUP !

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:11

Hildy



You need to stop your campaign!



Why are you are hell bent on sabotaging "Stop the Blackmail"?



I felt sorry for you, but no longer, I thought I knew exactly how you feel, your anger and hatred, and I understand how it comes out, but Pauline and Pemb should not be your whipping boys! they are like me and many hundreds of other victims who have been fleeced by this Government all of us trying to fight our stupid corner!



Hildy, you only see yourself, if any of us are to win this awful war we have to stick together, I lost more than money, and strangely find you are like Pauline and still love the TRNC, well I hate the TRNC, for what it took from me, but would never ever try to hurt other victims in a similar situation fighting their corner!



You are very lucky, I was banned from this board and other boards for saying how it is in the TRNC! please use your brain and fight the only thing that can make a difference for all victims in this country "THE GOVERNMENT"

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:17

OH Yes - Gary Robb

His wife also announed in the newspaper that he was a VICTIM.

- Hasan Sungur is a Victim

- Gary Rob is a Victim

I am just some poor deluded pensioner who invested £90 k on Hasan Sungur's land and got nothing.

I know I am a sad little creature, you have spent some time trying to convince me of this

Regarding message 42

That is a very old trick, take something out of context and use it for you own ends.

I noticed that the AGA victims (or maybe I should not call them victims that seems to be reserved for the Robbs, Sungurs of your world) also have a lot to say about Hasan Sungur - I wonder what he had to do with that?

How come Hasan Sungur told me that Marina Stokes was his spokesperson and then you appear at the meeting browneyes - You do not seem to get the message - nothing that was agreed in thet meeting, which you put on the forum, was done, started, brought to the court .......NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

Sorry if I am so think and ignorant - But nothing means NOTHI

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:23

So sorry Hildy,



But my respect for your situation has now gone!

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:24

TRNC Victim



You are absolutely right with your comments and thank you for your support, this week you are directing ourselves straight to the GOVERNMENT ! We will be doing everything we can to stop the GARY ROBB auctions on the 27th November.



We suffered going through the experirnce of our properties being auctioned, and we will be directly hitting the government,starting by our appointment on Monday morning with one of the Ministers, to STOP the forth coming auctions !

We try our best if one out of 1315 do not approve of our work so be it !

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:33

MESSAGE 46

I do apologise HILDY but I have now moved on from your project and am now spending valuable time on important projects !

YES I did have a write up on your case but unfortunately I do not want to be involved in your case anymore try Marion Stokes !

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:45

Surely you are better

sticking together?



Btw are all the problems on exchange land ?



I understand that both Hildy and misunderstood

and G Robbs are

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:50

Sometimes philbailey your messages are very criptic!



Please explain:-



I understand we are better sticking together?.............



but Hildy and misunderstood and G Robbs are?????????????????????? What

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
29/10/2011 23:55

Read msg 50 again please



jt states "are all the problems on exchange land ? "



then goes on to examples

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 00:10

Stop the Blackmail are doing a superb job of letting the world know the extent of the property problems in the TRNC and giving support to those with problems and holding the Government accountable for their actions. Hildy keep to your own experience and stop knocking the good work done by many. Focus on your grievance.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 00:21

Have they got many success yet ?

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 00:22

Bradus - Here Here Thanks for your support !



Philbailey the problem is not at the moment about the exchange land . But the problem seems to be the courts should recognise the true owners of the properties before they put charges on the land, this seems to be the common problem ! The Laws need to be changed or existing laws should be enforced properly to protect the buyers of the properties ! Builders seem to be ripping people off and being able to get away with it so they do it again and again !

Honeybee


Joined: 09/09/2011
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 00:32

I think everyone on this topic should start to concentrate on their own problems. It is difficult when other partiies intervene in other peoples disputes. ie : When Hildy went to a meeting and someone was there who had conections to other disputes etc... it is difficult! I am someoen who has bought in TRNC, and am not happy with my purchase, and want to get out. I have followed this thread from the ' Homes from Hell' programme. My heart geniunely goes out to the victims of 'Incensu' . Hildy has trusted the landowner, as u would if someone prosmiised you certain deals ,and she has given him extra money to complete.... with no relsults!!! Of couse she does not trust the landowner anymore.........and niether would I. Misunderstood.... why are u putting energy into someone elses problems.....u asumed i was a 'Incesu' victim on a formar post....and apologiseed....saying u were busy with yr own problems.....maybe let go of other peoples problems and conccenrate on yr own?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 00:35

Sorry 55,

by true owners who do you mean ?

The g/cs or the Brits ?

Browneyes


Joined: 07/09/2011
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 01:13

Phil

When I talk about the true owners Im talking about the purchasers who have paid the full price of their house and didnt get their kocans. I am NOT refering to the GC'S at all, that is up to the government to sort out if that problem arises. If you buy a property here in north cyprus and pay the full price surely that property should belong to you and you should have all the rights over that property. Builders and Land owners should not be able to use your property to take out mortgages or loans against it putting the property owners at risk and mainly without their knowledge. This is what I meant in msj 55

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 06:37

Unfortunately where a landowner was not party to the Contract with purchasers. a further problem arises and in many cases the landowner is in the same position as the purchasers, i.e not receiving payment for the land because they have not had the promised villas. This is why it is essential that the landowners and the purchasers stick together and fight the common enemy, the corrupt builder, the advocate who did not secure the purchasers positions and in some cases the Estate Agents.



Stop the BLackmail is learning as it goes, we are a group of people who have no experience, but rather than sit on our arses we are trying to do something. At a time in our lilves when many of us should be putting our feet up and enjoying the fruits of our labours, those fruits have been stolen from us, so we no choice but to fight.



I say to all property victims, keep fighting. Never give in never give up.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 06:51

Phil, I've been reading this thread with some interest, and am forming some opinions and thoughts about some TRNC property dealings because of it. But posts like your last one don't really help.



It's quite clear exactly who Browneyes means by 'true owners', and for the purpose of this particular discussion I completely agree with her.



You also quite clearly don't, but if you want to provoke a discussion about the politics of the situation, please go off and do it on another thread. If you do, I promise I'll read it.

CyprusNow


Joined: 16/07/2011
Posts: 168

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 08:44

misunderstood



(rather than sit on our arses)



Truth is you are a pain in the arse wherever you go and wherever you stick your unwelcome nose in.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 09:12

Thank you so much CyprusNow.



I see you are another member of my fan club, give me your address and I'll send you a signed photograph, of my arse that is.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 09:12

There is no need for rudeness or personal remarks

Simbas

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 09:14

Sorry Simbas, provoked or not, I should not have responded.

Mandy


Joined: 25/10/2009
Posts: 48

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 11:21

Hildy, I have nothing to do with the facebook forum, and I have no knowledge of INCESU.



Earlier this year I was notified that I was added to the group. I checked it out, and was very happy to stay - I support the fight against the terrible injuctices that are so common in property in the TRNC.



However, seeing you attack a victims group has painted you in my mind, rightly or wrongly as a vindictive person, not the sort of person I would want to support.



Your attack has irrepairably damaged the INCESU name and lost any sympathy or support people like me may have had.



Like it or not, your hope lies with people like Marian Stokes, MNCB, the facebook campaign and others.



Attack any one of those and you do yourself damage in my opinion.



Time for this thread to die I think.

magicart


Joined: 05/10/2008
Posts: 985

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 12:54

Perhaps those who are having a pop at this campaign can put forward some constructive suggestions or idea's as to how those who have been affected by these crooks can get justice in this country.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 15:10

I have nothing against this Group or the Campaign - on the Contrary I fully support it.

I feel that 2 people are causing damage to this campaign by their inability to identify a VICTIM.

to them Hasan Sungur is a Victim?

- He contracted with an unregistered, incompetence builder with a bad reputation for leaving unfinished, sub standard, incomplete houses all over this island.

- He refused to sign the buyers contracts so that under the law he is not liable to the buyers

- He compomised the site by getting the land excavated so his houses were dumped in front of the Brits houses and rendered the villas/plots unsellable.

WHO WOULD BUY A HOUSE WITH

- No retaining wall - so Hasan Sungurs land has collapsed on them

- with limited foot access up to 15 ft in the air

- The car ports in mid air with no access to them

- the swimming pools on the roadsides up 12 ft below the houses.

There was no way the builder could sell any more houses.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 15:16

Browneyes attended a meeting and was party to making an agreement with Hasan Sungur and the buyers: She took noes and told me she was part of Stop the Blackmail in additon to being and advisor...

She and Hasan Sungur promised action to resolve the situation.

The first thing the buyers have to do is sue Cafer Yucelgazi and get him off the scene.

The buyers only have a contract with Cafer - they dio not have a contract with Hasan Sungur - So if we remove Cafer from the scene we have NOTHING - No contracts as they would be null and void and no way of getting our houses.

Hasan Sungur promised to sort this out and get figurs by 22.8.2011 - he did not get them

Pembe agreed to write up the agreement made and send us the details - she did not do it

WE ARE STILL WAITING.

Marian Stokes has been involved with the Incesu project FOR 3 YEARS !!!!!! She has been guiding the buyers and supporting them and attending meetings (until Pembe turned up for Stop the Blackmail)

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 15:27

Marian Stokes has attended meetings and liased with the buyers. on 9.5.2011 she attended a meeting where Hasan put forward 5 options (Mainly around obtaining £350k for all his land to obtaining £20k from each buyer). One of the buyers put foward another option:

Each buyer GIVE Hasan Sungur half the value of their house at 2011 valuation (around £50k(

Each buyer PAYs Hasan Sungur a perpetual 'nominal' ground rent whilst they lived in the house.

Each buyer Gives Hasan Sungur the £50k in the event of selling their property.

Hasan Sungur agreed.

Marian Stokes was filmed for ITV HOMES FROM HELL explaining this offer althought that was not shown. Folloiwng this Hasan Sungur rejected the agreement and demanded his £20k again.

I feel that I am not only the victim of an unscrupulous advocate, Landowner, builder but also by Pauline Read and Pembe because I chose to take Marian's advice and not theirs.

BUT TO THEM - HASAN SUNGUR IS THE VICTIM - NOT ME!!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 15:40

Hansan Sungur's power and status is more useful to them than

ONE OLD AGED PENSIONER

2 of the Incesu buyer are HOMELESS

- one in the Uk who has lost his home

- one here who is living in rented accommodation on a pension.



I FULLY SUPPORT AND STOP THE BLACKMAIL CAMPAIGN AND

WILL GIVE IT MY FULL SUPPORT IN ANY WAY i CAN.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 17:18

I have never personally met you although you were in the same bar as me once, and I did have a conversaton with your husband. I have only had contact with you through C44 and my comments, as yours are a matter of record on here.



I too am a pensioner, I too have had my villa taken, yes I did live in it for some time.



That you do not like me because, I see Sungur as a victim too bothers me not a jot.. That is my opinion to which I am enttiled. Please do not try to engage me in this debate any further. you tried bad mouthing the group, that didn't work, you tried bad mouthing me, that is of no consquence, however be very sure what you write is the truth and that you can prove it. It may be in your nature to cosy up to people with status and power, it most certainly is not in mine.



I do sympathise with all the Incesu purchasers, you included.



We at Stop the Blackmail welcome all support.

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 17:24

Mr Moderator, since Hildy who started this thread now supports Stop the Blackmail in NOrth Cyprus facebook Group, bearing in mind the title, is there any point to this thread continuing?



I think you will agree the subject has been addressed.



This of course, is just an observation and entirely up to the moderator.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 19:05

Once again Pauline you twist my words for your own ends.

misunderstood


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Message Posted:
30/10/2011 19:33

Message 71 - totally unambiguous - nothing to add or subtract from it.



Good night everyone.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 20:04

Can't remember the last time I had a good night????

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
30/10/2011 23:04

Hildy,



A Good Nights Sleep is what many victims would like!



Never Give Up & Never Give In, but NEVER EVER HURT YOUR FELLOW VICTIM!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 05:03

Well sadly it was not to be = another sleepless night

But I am sick of fighting = I am in a black sack - now I do not know who the enemy is.



The term BEWARE was used because my blackmailers are on that wall as 'FRIENDS'



Mustafa Sener - The Advocate who got us into the mess in the first place. Who failed to protect us or inform us of the situation with the landowner. He is still taking money off Incesu buyers. Even though I paid over £1300 + fees up front he deducted money off every staged payment. He took £250 to register a contact with the Land registry - when it could not be registered as the Landowner had not signed it.



Hasan Sungur - The Landowner who contracted with an unregistered, incompetent builder to build on his land without a build permit and refused to sign our contact. He wants £20k from each of the buyers to buy the land that their houses are built on - for which they have already paid all payments but the handover one.

- THESE ARE 'FRIENDS !!

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 05:08

TRNC victim - You say never give up



I have already given up

- I have no more money left to pay my blackmailers so cannot have my house

Hasan Sungur wants £20k, Cafer Yucelgazi wants £20k - I have already paid £90k I don't have any money left.

- I have no more energy left to fight

- I also have people tellimg that my blackmailers are victims.

HildySmith


Joined: 02/07/2009
Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 07:12

and I don't have a house in the Uk to go back to!!!

HildySmith


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Posts: 1708

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 13:11

I decided to register with the Stop the Blackmail in North Cyprus group and went onto their wall.



What I found was that 2 of my blackmailers are on their as 'FRIENDS Hasan Sungur & Sener Law firm - if it were not for their actions Cafer Yucelgazi would not have been in the position to do what he did. THEY PUT HIM THERE.



I also find my 2 pursecutors Pauline READ amd PEMBE who have spent (as one said) a lot of time on this forum - pursecuting me and telling me that Hasan Sungur is the VICTIM.

The head of the Estate Agents Union

Head of the Employers union

Managing Director of several companies

Managing Director of a construction company which is selling houses all over the island.

One of the biggest landowners in the island

- DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THE PROFILE OF A VICTIM TO ME.

Regarding REMAX The person I dealt with was Ruby James. She provided all the information and contacts & sold the properies at Incesu so knows the buyers personally.

Also a FRIEND ON MY FACEBOO

misunderstood


Joined: 08/04/2011
Posts: 1004

Message Posted:
31/10/2011 17:27

Keep looking at the membership, we do not choose members. however unless they become obnoxious, they stay.

It is an open group, everyone is welcome. Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.



Persecute - To ill treat, oppress, torment or put to death - Chambers Compact Dictionary.



A victim does not have to be poor to be a victim,his/her socioeconomic status is irrelevent, although I can well understand that some would chase him/her for that very reason. The thinking being s/he can afford it so let's go after him', not of course am I suggesting such are the motives in this case.



The Estate Agent is the first point of contact and has an obligation to inform the purchaser of the provenance of the land and the conditons of the sale. They certainly get paid enough to their services.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 00:52

Never liked or trusted facebook

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 08:13

philbailey...some used to say that about C44...try it, you might be surprised.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 14:02

I agree with Han's point. I was joined to this group by a friend then exited it rapidly. (Not my thing as i believe the true owners are GC and that those who paid for that land have been screwed by the TC's.)



In fighting is not going to help you get anywhere. If there is one thing i have learnt in the years i have been living here is that yelling at the TC's or the TRNC goverment will get you knowhere! Don't yell, stay calm and work at it. When you yell they actually think its funny



There is only one way you will make them listen. I have said it many many times before.

Stop giving them any money!

Just pay your main bills and shop for everything else in the south. Don't spend any money with any TC or TC business. It will hurt them more than us!

One month they will smile, month two the bank will be calling for the repayments on the new merc, third month you will have their attention!



Wake up smell the coffee. Unite and stand up for ourselves! If you have the balls that is??

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 14:21

We resolved the shouting blade, as for the balls. we try to keep them all in the air.



UNited is the only way, I do agree.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 14:24

I also agree with blade.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 14:36

Maybe you could do a "STOP THE SHOPPING IN THE NORTH" Campaign?

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 14:49

Blade

Agree with you and glad at at last there is some sort of common support, but people in TRNC sticking together is still determined by self interest.There are still people putting out posts saying that the property problem is not really that bad and that anyone who says the are having problems is exaggerating,and also saying that nobody has a problem getting Kocan for Turkish Title. Basically ,couldnt give a damn as long as the boat isnt rocked and there is a chance they prevent the bad publicity to stop their own property values dropping and/or have a better chance of selling.

They dont realise that they are damaging themselves because if they helped improve things,their property values would go up ,as less people avoided the TRNC.



Dont understand you

''(Not my thing as i believe the true owners are GC and that those who paid for that land have been screwed by the TC's.) ''



Are you meaning, as is all TRNC title or as in something is different with this land

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 15:38

Girne, what i am saying is we all got screwed by which ever means here to some extent.



But i do believe that the true owners of all the so called exchange land are the pre 74 owners / Gc's & other.

The Brits were sold that land and they have been screwed by the TRNC goverment who were told back in 74 ish by the UN not to sell it and then hence screwed by the sellers of that land.

You know as well as i do, there is Pre 74 Turkish & other, Exchange, and Gifted land, all with their own risks. This is Cyprus.

This is not about that, it is about a way to make this goverment listen and deal with the issues regarding property ownership here. Basically everyone should be able to get what they paid for.

Regardless of our other views we should all stand united and give them no more money until they listen.

Or we could carry on with the every man for him self? Or shall you keep feeding those that screwed us all?

When are the BRS going to stand up for its members? I wonder??

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 16:03

Good post Blade. Shouting at these buggers is pointless, they couldn't care less about foreigners or their plight.

As I believe I have said before, losing money is the only thing that may make them take notice. Unless they are too apathetic to care even about that?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 16:51

http://northcyprusfreepress.com/2011/11/06/87777/



I got one member of the Government to listen thanks to the Union.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 17:22

Kaiser

Best thing that could happen is for Turkey to tell them that in 2 years the subsidy is halved, and suggest in that time, they improve the legal system to prevent purchasers having their property stolen from under them. Make it a requirement for no more than 50% of purchase price to be handed over prior to obtaining Kocan and paying taxes. Get rid of the discrimination in purchasing. In general make property ownership a dream for all and not a nightmare for some. The encouragement offered to the market would I am sure show a good return. They havent got it yet , You can steal 50k once and thats it ,or you can get £10k profit everyweek.At the moment the 'we get the subsidy whatever happens' mentality means there is no insentive to improve the marketability of NC, and the state of the law encourages malpractise.

Tourism should also be reformed and again this who cares ,they wont be back atitude changed.



So quite agree hurt them in the pockets,Turkey should stop rewarding

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
06/11/2011 18:14

Girne 29, you are right, they haven't got it yet. And your suggestion re Turkey and subsidy might do the trick.

You are spot on about tourism as well. They seem to think that some silly statement every other year to the effect that next season there will be umpteen million tourists will improve things.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 07:04

doNT SWALLOW YOUR CONRFLAKES TOO QUICKLY AND CHOKE. apparently the Finance Minister appeared on TV on Saturday and said we will all get our title deeds, wonder if that inlcudes all in the mortgage queues?



Don't get excited, remember the 5 W.C's aka the Five wisemen committee., Here on Saturday, gone by Friday.

kaiserphil


Joined: 14/12/2008
Posts: 1096

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 12:47

That should keep us quiet for a while!

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 13:04

I would worry about any promise of anything. There is usually some sort of master plan. If they are agreeing to give everyone their kochan , i would question why now?



Girne, to sum up tourism. Many years ago i had a meeting with the then tourist minister. He was twenty minutes late, then shook my husbands hand, looked me up and down with outstretched hand, and ignored me totally.

What a lovely man who clearly didn't know how to behave in a business manner. As for help he was a waste of time.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
07/11/2011 13:11

I think we all know just how much help to expect. 0