Makes one feel realy proud to have served

R.C.T.Man.



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Message Posted:
01/11/2011 15:12

I saw a boy marching, with medals on his chest, He marched alongside Soldiers, marching six abreast, He knew it was Remembrance Day, he walked along with pride, And did his best to keep in step with the soldiers by his side. And when the march was over the boy looked rather tired. A soldier said. "Whose medals son?" to which the boy replied,, ... ... "They belong to my Dad, but he didn't come back. He died out in Afghanistan , up on a Helmand Track". The boy looked rather sad, and a tear came to his eye, But the soldier said, "Don't worry son, I'll tell you why," He said, "Your dad marched with us today, all the bloomin way, All us soldiers knew he was here, it's like that on Remembrance Day." The boy looked rather puzzled, he didn't understand But the soldier went on talking, and started to wave his hand, "For this great land we live in, there's a price we have to pay, To keep our Country free, and fly our flag today. Yes we all love fun and merriment in this country where we li

R.C.T.Man.



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Message Posted:
01/11/2011 15:14

But the price was that some soldier, his precious life must give, For you to go to school, my son, and worship God at will. Somebody had to pay the price, so our soldiers paid the bill. Your dad died for us my son, for all things good and true. And I hope you can understand these words, that i have said to you". The boy looked up at the soldier and after a little while, His face changed expression, and he said with a beautiful smile, "I know my dad marched here today, this our Remembrance Day, I know he did, I know he did, all the bloomin way. RIP. FOR WHO HAVE PAID THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE

Panchocat


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Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 16:28

Very moving.

So relieved that our youngest survived his two tours of duty in Afghanistan, we know many parents are not as lucky.

Thinking especially of his close friend, a young man called Zac, who was killed on his second week in Afghanistan.

R.I.P. Zachery and all those young people killed in conflicts around the world.

R.C.T.Man.



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Message Posted:
01/11/2011 17:00

Here Here xx

kaiserphil


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Message Posted:
01/11/2011 17:45

Amen to that! My lad is on his second tour in Afghanistan, having done Iraq as well.

puppylover



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Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 18:46

Very moving and my thoughts and prayers are with those serving as well as any parent that has a child serving in any of the troubles overseas.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 19:09

@ R.C.T.Man: You ought to have at least mentioned the source of your copied poem.

▶ [ http://is.gd/WtAOC9 ].

Panchocat


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Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 19:55

Thank you for that Hans.

Some of us are familiar with the text, but I for one have only ever heard it read aloud and didn't know the source.

Probably I should have googled it to find out myself earlier.



Thank you for sharing the poem R.C.T. Man, so appropriate as Remembrance Sunday approaches.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:14

Thanks for the poem I too think of my nephew serving his second time in Afghanistan and the new just the other day of 12 killed worried us all the more..God bless the all.



If we are to reach real peace in this world and if we are to carry on a real war against war,

we shall have to begin with children; and if they will grow up in their natural innocence,

we won't have to struggle; we won't have to pass fruitless idle resolutions,

but we shall go from love to love and peace to peace,

until at last all the corners of the world are covered with that peace and love

for which consciously or unconsciously the whole world is hungering.".....



Spider,X

Ballyboffin


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Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:37

Thank you for the poem R.T.C.



So very moving and I appreciate you taking the time to post it on here. God help and keep the people serving in Afganistan. I have several friends whose sons and daughters are there and I really don't know how they cope with the constant worry. Their theory is that 'It was their choice to serve in the army' ....



DC

You once again show your true colours. Why does it matter that R.T.C didn't mention the source of the poem? The sentiment remains the same, so why you feel the need to be pedantic about it defeats me.

ranger5


Joined: 29/03/2011
Posts: 151

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:39

Clogs,

Does it matter where this piece came from? It was appropriate for RCT Man to quote it at this time. Why do you always have to be such a smart ass. You just didn`t get the point did you? Have you been on the sauce all day?

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:42

Msg 11,

he maybe checking all the new members

for his forum and their phone numbers

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:44

Perhaps also trying very hard to find my one. Bet he wont be able to.







Spider,X

nurseawful



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Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:49

One for the often forgotten of wars!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzNHsuiUMpM



Chris

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:50

@ msg 10, Ballyboffin: (...) You once again show your true colours. Why does it matter that R.T.C didn't mention the source of the poem? (...)

▶ I'm pleased to enlighten you. If you use someones text (or any other intellectual property) without giving the source/credit it's called theft or slightly more friendly plagiarism. Everywhere in the world, Ballyboffin. Your ignorance is excused.

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 20:55

Msg 9



When quoting famous people it's always polite to say so!



Gandhi



http://thinkexist.com/quotation/if_we_are_to_teach_real_peace_in_this_world-and/14282.html



M

Ballyboffin


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Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:11

I am relieved DC that you excuse MY ignorance ! And delighted to be enlightened by you. Forgive me but I always assumed that unless the text was published ie: in print, then it could not be called theft.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:25

A very nice thread until message 4 comes along with the usual..Han's you must learn to.....



http://postimage.org/image/gsbi731i9/



Maybe drop the insults too. JMHO.





Spider,X



Ps can we please now go back to the topic.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:25

@ msg 17, Ballyboffin: Words, pictures etc, whether they are printed, spoken or used in any way in modern Internet media remain the intellectual property of the holder of the copyright. Not indefinite, but usually in the Western world for about (+/-) 100 years. The rule to give credit to the holder of the (expired) copyright never ceases.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:28

@msg 18, Spider: DO read msg 16. And if you still can't spell my first name (Hans) call me DC. You can do it.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:35

PPS. please read my ps.



Maybe you are unable to understand but then again more like unable to do...



My name is Maria



< And I am proud to have a member of my family serving for his country and our freedom today.>>



Spider,X

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:40

All the service men killed in Afghanistan volunteered



8,000 afghan civilians have been killed also

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:50

@ msg 22, philbailey: (...) All the service men killed in Afghanistan volunteered (...)

▶ If I've ever seen a more provocative, anti-Brit post...

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 21:54

MSg 23, not all brits

some americans etc





http://www.unknownnews.org/casualties.html

EamonnMc


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Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:05

Phil,



You really should stop before you say something that you might regret , my friend ! Personally, I have nothing but respect for those brave souls who gave their lives so that others (we) could live in a more secure world, free from the tyrants, iron fist ! That so many die in our name is a cause of great sadness and regret !

Ballyboffin


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Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:07

DC,



This topic is very important to some of us who have had (and still have relations and friends) serving in ALL the wars this and the last century. Some, like myself still weep for those that we lost. So please respect our views



I'd say please back off on this. Rememberance Day means a lot to us.



Then we won't mention that the Dutch hoped to remain neuteral and who had to come to stop them starving....? You are old enough to remember that.

proger1



Joined: 18/04/2009
Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:11

Hans, I am not sure if you remember or wish to even try but approximately 3 years ago I agreed to a truce with you based on the fact that I was extremely offended by your anti military comments, I am an ex service member and I can specifically recall your comments about soldiers who died in recent conflicts being silly for not telling their superiors that they were not willing to fight other countries battles.

I would urge you to remember when you make such comments and then abuse others who are doing a similar thing, it destroys your credibility on such matters.

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:19

Lest we forget!!!



It would seem certain members have forgotten or do not give a damn about those that have fallen and choose to bring a thread into disrepute talking about copyright for God's sake.



Ignore such offensive and antagonistic members and remember what this thread is about please.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:29

I am with you



As I imagine what you are doing, I feel you by my side,



like the morning when you left me, I wish I'd never cried,



for your shoulders were heavy with guilt and lots of sadness too,



Last words echoed inside my head of "I'll be coming home to you".



And there your kiss left mine until some distant day,



to be your last (you promised) that you shall never go away.



So I sit here looking out, on to fields so green,



whilst you have only dessert and views you will have only seen.



But rest assured I am with you, deep inside your heart,



I would always be your strength and angel, you knew that from the start.



To guide you through your dark days and help you with your thoughts

and have the loving memories that never can be bought.



You are with me every second; I hope you feel that too,

because when I go to bed at night, all I feel is you.



Though I wake up in the morning and see the empty space,



A smile soon returns as a photo I have in plac

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:34

Reality in Afghanistan



My pain feels cold and selfish

My anguish very small

My reality insignificant

Compared to ones that fall

Young men with broken bodies

Their Comrades lie in sacks

Devastated parents

Their sons will not come back.



My pain will ease and lessen

My anguish slip away

Reality in Afghanistan

Two brave men died today

Young men with shell shocked faces

Growing old before their time

Are living breathing testament

To this shallow pain of mine.



Phil Williams

Bastion 1 July 2009

Ballyboffin


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Posts: 903

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 22:37

spider/Maria......





XXXX

proger1



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Posts: 2919

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 23:25

For any members who have served, have family members who have served or who are still serving, I know that you will understand the lyrics to this tune even though it is an old song and not related to modern conflicts.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZQRZ7ZZFw



I can honestly say that I am brought to tears every time I listen to this song for many reasons and when you reach about 4 minutes and 25 seconds into the song you might realise why we get so offended by the politically correct types who think it is an easy choice to say, why fight just because someone tells me too, being a member of the forces is a life choice, we know this because so many wonderful young people have had to pay with their lives to show what they will fight for.



The most profound words have already been stated but I think they should be repeated every day of the year, not just when it suits the politically correct. WE WILL REMEMBER THEM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlYtlyFSTlU

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 23:25

One of my Mothers Brothers was lost and laid to rest in an unmarked grave some place across the miles.



Her sisters future husband no place to rest. She never married he was her love,her life.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvOI4RPe8v0



Spider,X

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
01/11/2011 23:46

Good post Paul thank you.



The ones they leave behind....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIhQQgke9TU&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygt9Wizh9mo&feature=related



Spider.X

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 07:48

Hans,

I'm still working on "Internet media remain the intellectual property of the holder of the copyright. Not indefinite, but usually in the Western world for about (+/-) 100 years"

I can see how it could last for plus a hundred years but not minus a hundred years.....

As it happens I tend to side with Hans on the point he makes about quoting somebody else's artistic work without attribution, as it seems as though it's an attempt to pass the work off as your own, which is not really right, is it?

When it's a bit of light humour it's acceptable because to do otherwise would often lessen the effectiveness of the joke... i.e. you don't follow every tale with chapter and verse as to its origin.

In this case however it would have been best to put the originator of the poem or at least say 'I don't know who first penned this but I think it's rather good'.

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 08:15

Have i missed something here which all you know alls seem to have found.



Has there been a law passed that you have to mention the source of every thing you put on a web site or the likes.



For your information it was sent to me from a very good friend who @ this moment is in hospital upon his return from Afghanistan.



Thank you.

BigMart


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 423

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 08:40

proger1,



ref message 32, the song is about a brave Nottinghamshire lad, Sgt.Michael Willetts from Sutton-in Ashfield, a lot of us from that area still remember him with great pride.



Martin.

Smiffies


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Posts: 234

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 10:53

Hi all



Please just listen to these lyrics:



http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=terry+kelly&aq=0&oq=Terry+Kelly



"We will remeber them"



Regards smiffies

Smiffies


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Posts: 234

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 11:09

Sorry made a bit of an error but it is "A Pittance of Time" lyrics I was reffering to.



smiffies

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 14:50

Re Msg 22 - Phil has made his shameful disdain for individuals who choose to serve their country and pay the ultimate sacrifice quite clear in the past. Let's keep this post who do have pride for such sacrifice.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 15:02

Smiffies, just listened to this.



Very moving.



Thanks for bringing it to our attention.



J

martinD41


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Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 15:17

Here is my favourite "Soldier Song" God bless them..

martinD41


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Message Posted:
02/11/2011 15:18

sorry mist the link ,try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNPnNUfxRIk&feature=related

Panchocat


Joined: 29/11/2009
Posts: 1333

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 15:28

I think most of us knew that R.C.T. Man was posting a known poem. Many of us will have heard it before.

I thank you once again for sharing it with us, R.C.T. Man.

We were so relieved when our son was brought twice into Cyprus on R&R and debriefing, after his tours in Afghan.

We were given special passes to see him on base at Episkopi and at Tunnel beach. A joyful time for us.

We felt so privileged to be amongst all those brave young people. Sadly the next week one of the next group at Tunnel Beach was killed on R&R by a speedboat. A tragic accident after surviving the war.

I cannot begin to feel the pain his parents felt.

From the elation and joy of him saying on the phone, "Hi Mum, I am safely in Cyprus." The great relief and then the next awful phone call.

May their God bless them all; the dead and injured from all wars.

Oh that in this third millennium man would cease his inhumanity to man.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
02/11/2011 15:33

Man is the only animal that deals in that Atrocity of Atrocities _WAR



...Mark Twain...

Carndi


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Posts: 613

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:17

I would just like to point out that DC and Phil have the right to say what they think.

They have that right because countless men and woman have laid down their lives to give them the right of free speech.



Of course others have the right of free speech but I would ask DC and Phil to remember , had it not been for all those men and women through the years and those serving now and are willing to serve in the future,then perhaps Hitler or Stalin or some other dictator would have ensured that we all kept our mouths shut.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:22

I have always said the main wars (ww1 ww2)

I support their efforts

these new wars about power or oil

I do not

Carndi


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 613

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:31

You may not agree with the war, I dont agree with the Afghan war , but please respect the men and women of all our armed forces who have to obey their orders.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:33

Msg 48 Who agreed to sign up

not forced

what do you expect when you join a fighting force ?

Carndi


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Posts: 613

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:42

No one in todays Army ,Navy or Air force have been ' forced to serve ' they are all volunteers.

Giles


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Posts: 256

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:48

"No one in todays Army ,Navy or Air force have been ' forced to serve ' they are all volunteers."(sic)



And none of them are here posting on a dopey internet message board...You are!

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 19:48

And more a man than most !



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWsf76wG78g&feature=related







Spider,X

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 21:00

msg 50> No one in todays Army ,Navy or Air force have been ' forced to serve ' they are all volunteers



Got to 50 wi'out getting involved, then this. What a plonker.



Most of the squaddies, like him by me, joined at 16, to learn a trade. My grandson, Josh, now 21 and and a 5 year "veteran" has been to Afghanistan twice. He hated every minute, despite what he said on the phone. The scars on his back, from a roadside IED are quite visible, I fear the other damage isn't. I just wish that those untouched by war would keep their stupid hacknied platitudes to themselves.

T

eyebob


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Posts: 143

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 22:31

Too many armchair jockeys on here, wouldn`t know which end of a gun to point if they had one!Its very brave of you to ridicule our Armed Forces,especially DC, but where would you have been without us? Up sh

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 23:08

Ahh back in the old days and when I was rather young I met a nice lad from here..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWsf76wG78g&feature=related



HMS Ganges Those lads were training to be VERY BRAVE MEN..





Spider,X

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 23:22

Ooop..lol



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLjHwv__ehE





Spider,X

Woodspeckie


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Posts: 2263

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 23:37

spider. I don't know how you do the link for utube so go on the youtube.com search for Susan Boyle Return and click on the one by TheUSATommy. must watch hope it works for you.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
02/11/2011 23:44

Wonderful..



Thanks for the mention and to help share something here on 44



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4E2-FEO8M





Spider,X

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 00:03

Its now been sent to my Nephew Mike to also share with the men and women over there..







Spider,X

Carndi


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Posts: 613

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 10:33

Giles. Re posting on a dopey internet message board. Look in a mirror.

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 12:49

Carndi even better, Giles and the others need to take a look at this





http://postimage.org/image/xkv05ogvl/





And take a hike



Spider,X

Carndi


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Posts: 613

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 12:55

Well said.

martinD41


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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 13:28

msg 61 spider.. "It was 1066 when we last fell"...explain please,who is we ?

cinders


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Posts: 61

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 15:40

Dutch Crusader you really should wind your stupid neck in, if it wasn't for the brave soldiers,sailors and service womaen in WW2 you would'nt have a country to call your own, oh what short memories some people have. you disgust me with your comments.

Agnes


Joined: 11/04/2009
Posts: 81

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 15:58

Was the song about the para in NI written and performed by a midlands folk singer by the name of Harvey Andrews.

BigMart


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Posts: 423

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 16:02

Agnes, i posted earlier, it's about Sgt Michael Willetts GC. he was from Sutton in Ashfield, Notts. and the song was by harvey Andrews.

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 19:00

Big Mart,



Yes Michael Willetts GC was a truly brave man. He saved the lives of children from a Terrorist Bomb in Andytown Belfast, and lost his life in the process. There is a plaque on the wall of the bock of flats and there are I beleive movements to erect a memorial- that in itselfe shows how well respected the action was greeted by a very Republican area. He was awarded the GC not the VC because he was looking after the well being of civilians and not military. Amazing that the last Government changed the rules regarding Honours and Awards, now he would have got at least the VC.



Just to stick in your craw though BigMart - he was a Paratrooper from the Third Battalion!!

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 19:09

ang1706. you can, and always could, only get a VC when committing an act of conspicuous valour when acting in the active presence of the enemy. So I don't think it's to do with changes in the awards criteria.

BigMart


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 423

Message Posted:
04/11/2011 07:55

Angus, I think the reason he didn't get the VC was because it wasn't a 'war', it was 'peace keeping'.



I won't hold it against him that he was a little misguided and joined the paras.



I've seen his grave many times and did know what regiment he served with, just don't like to mention it.



see you for a few wets later this month.



Martin.

Per Mare Per terram