Governments lack of human rights

fireball


Joined: 10/12/2010
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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 16:24

I read recently threads regarding the TRNC government's ignorance of all aspects of human rights and the blatant discrimination witnessed against foreigners living in the TRNC.



If the British government seen fit to apply similar tactics against the approx 250000 Turkish Community in London I bet the TRNC and Turkish governments would complain to anyone who would listen, so why is this government's racist policy allowed to continue. The answer is that the government consists of inept. ignorant and small individuals. The purpose of any government should be to govern for the good of its people unfortunately this government, governs for the good of itself ( and Turkey).



Latest racist government debacle, new legislation to be introduced will ban all foreigners from importing, buying or using shotguns at any club. As a foreigner, no more clay pidgeon shooting or international competitions for me then.

How democratic is this country ?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 17:24

with all due respects fireball,



you'll find that the mentined so called 'approx 250000 Turkish Community in London' are in fact british citizens......................too.



hope you can see the difference and do please bear in mind of the fact that I don't agree with it.







as for human rights in trnc.....................how can such thing exist where the estate itself don't exist?

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 17:27

little addition tom my above comments,



'as for human rights in trnc.....................how can such thing exist where the estate itself don't exist?'................................that 'you' should've known!

KarmaSooty1


Joined: 29/09/2011
Posts: 91

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:06

yorgozlu



You are an ignorant gnome.

fireball


Joined: 10/12/2010
Posts: 107

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:08

Hi Yorg



Thanks for comments, however re 250000 turkish cypriots in London.... I agree that a percentage of them are british citizens however, Turkish cypriots post 1974 did not get automatic British Passports. Anyway, given the volatility of Turkish Cypriots, do you really think having a passport would make any difference to my argument of fairness and equality....I think not.



Even where a "state does not officially exist" does not necessarily negate the right of its people to basic human rights, and any pseudo government, which is elected by its people, must ensure that such rights are implimented and protected for the benefit of the people. This situation is called democracy, unfortunately this current government believes that democracy only means given people the vote

yorgozlu



Joined: 16/06/2009
Posts: 4437

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:14

hi fireball,



I do not dissagree with your comments and I do understand your frusturation.I'm merely pointing out.........how can you claim human rights in a place that doesn't exist in the eyes of the world.Hence the reason they get away with it.

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:22

May I ask what this shotgun related issue is about please. I have owned shotguns in the past and did quite a bit of competitive and game shooting in the UK. What seems to be the problem - did this new ruling come about "out of the blue" ?



By the way, I agree with Yorg - essentially one should not assume the "norms" to be as per the UK.

fireball


Joined: 10/12/2010
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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:24

Hi Yorg



Fair comment, thanks for input

spider


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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:34

Yorgo are you one of the many that come back home ! and end up getting a new birth certificate,passport and new name to entitle you to you ''Oh so special little K card '' Talk about a diabolical fast ! Bet if you need to you would go back to to London with your now so called new ids...



That's the way it works over here For the so called London TCs. What was your first name ?





Spider,X

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:39

If I had my way (if I ruled the word) I'd ban everybody from having shotguns, hand guns any guns!

Hey Sal! been reeeeeely busy, still got your belt in back of the car...this weekend?



Maggie x

fireball


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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:43

Re mess 7



The issue of shotguns owned and operated by non turkish cypriots was initiated a while back.

The law is before parliament that will in effect NOT allow non turkish cypriots to import guns:buy guns:sell guns: or more importantly not allow the transport of guns to any shooting range. In effect bar non turkish cypriots from enjoying the sport.

A minister in Lefkosa, when given the above info, was reported as saying " that is right that is what we want"

Re comment about human rights, surely you are not suggesting that human rights is only a UK issue!!!

My contention is simply that human rights is an international and universal right of the people irrespective of colour,creed or country.

yorgozlu



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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:51

hi Maggie,any time my love,ring me beforehand,if I'm not here 'the wife' would be.

brother



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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:52

I really don't want to get into the scope of human rights - somehow it is difficult to see the scale of impact of this alleged ruling when compared to being forced to have only one child per couple in some countries.



Anyway, the mystery still appears to be there: what could possibly be the benefit in this ruling?

spider


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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 18:57

Easy to work it out anything to suit themselves and when.. Funny people !









Spider,X

fireball


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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 19:05

Hi brother



I agree with you 100% there is no benefit at all in the proposed new regulation.



I may have had some sympathy for the change if there was problems associated with foreigners shooting, but there has been no reported problems so one can only assume it is another dig by the TRNC government at non turkish cypriots living in the TRNC. I have been clay shooting (not hunting) for the last 6 years with no problems what so ever.

This ruling also means that International shooting compititions in the TRNC will cease, hows that for promoting the TRNC, talk about shooting ones self in the foot.

brother



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Message Posted:
03/11/2011 19:26

fireball: the way I would explore this is to try and get an insight into the thinking behind it by discussing with other shooters who are TCs. I would think that there are TCs on Cyprus44 who may be able to shed more light onto the quandary.



As you say, emotions aside, it is odd that a decision is made where the wider benefits outweigh whatever minor issues there may be.



We could also look into it from the ex pat perspective: what do you ex pat folks who own firearms in NC actually do with them. What is it about the "market" that you represent that may be seen as an economic or security threat.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
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Message Posted:
04/11/2011 00:23

There is hardly any wildlife or terrain left where hunting can take place and they are such p... poor shots that if foreigners were allowed shotguns at least one is likely to be a marksman and could clear up the Seasons fledglings in one shoot meeting (and without being dressed as Rambo) !