Armistice day North Cyprus

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
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Message Posted:
10/11/2011 20:15

It's the military not the reporters who have given us a free press, it's the military, not the poet who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the military,not the politicians that ensure our right to life, liberty and the pusuit of happiness. It's the military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath it and who's coffin is draped by it when they pay the ultimate price for our freedom. God bless them all.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 20:29

It's the 'chosen' politicians who order the military to march and kill - and the military march and kill.

Killing youth, their own age, the best of their generation - because they were ordered to do it. And so they do it.

Message number 1 wouldn't have been necessary if there were no senseless people in the countries of the world.

martin-wbh


Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 20:30

Only four defining forces have ever offered to die for you:





1. Jesus Christ





2. The British Soldier.





3. The Commonwealth Soldier, and





4. The US Soldier





One died for your soul, the other 3 for your freedom.



"LEST WE FORGET"

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 20:39

Dutch crusader you are the saddest human being ( I use the words loosely) that it has been my misfortune to come across. If it wasn't for the Allies you would'nt have a country to call your own. Keep your comments to yourself at this time of year. But being a military man I would fight for you to have your opinions at any other time. If it was left to people like you nobody would have the freedom of speech which you repeatably abuse. Wind your stupid neck in ,you sad bas****d.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 20:46

Cinders, as a military man you obviously have forgotten to think yourself. Tell me where I'm wrong in msg 2 - instead of lowering yourself with the language you use in your msg 4.



Old soldiers are really soooooo tiring with their "If it wasn't for the Allies... etc". That's more than 65 years ago, Sir.

Don't use swear words and don't live in the past. Or just fade away.

martin-wbh


Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 21:08

They gave their today for our tomorrow.................................

martinD41


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Message Posted:
10/11/2011 21:14

DC...I think in your case you and yours should thank the Canadians... .... http://archives.cbc.ca/war_conflict/second_world_war/clips/11568/

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 21:26

@ msg 7, martinD41: Correct - but not complete. Just for the record: Holland was liberated - and my parents witnessed it happening - by (random order) British forces, Canadians, Polish forces, Americans and a Dutch contingent (Princes Irene Brigade). 1944-45.

martin-wbh


Joined: 24/09/2008
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 21:31

DC, they were all still soldiers it doesn't matter what nationality, SOLDIERS THEY WERE, who gave their up most so you today can write on this forum in freedom.................

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
10/11/2011 22:17

Not all so long ago remember the dutch at srebreniza (not sure of spelling sorry DC )

spider


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Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 00:13

Wear your poppy with pride..



http://postimage.org/image/oc3hk9dpn/





Spider,X





PS..I am sure many other Dutch people here will.

BigMart


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 423

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 08:31

Dutchcrusader, as Cinders says you are the saddest person on this board with you never ending slagging off of all things British. Why do you feel you have to put hate filled posts obout us on here ?



Just because the WW2 was a few years ago doesn't make the sacrifices mad by those young men any less special.



Please keep away from the rememberance service on Sunday, I don't think you will be very welcome.



Martin.

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 08:44

Well said Big Mart he really is a saddo, always got to critisice unless it's one of his posts. He really should be gratefull young men and women of all nationalities and going back a long way were prepared to give there futures so he can put his drivel on this forum. For the record I don't think that many people would have called Hitler a polititian, thug, despote or dictator yes but not a politician.

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 08:57

Dutchcrusader you are of course welcome to your opinion which in my opinion is very very wrong.



I strongly suggest that today of all days you keep it to yourself as folks who do care about and do respect those that have fallen for our freedom have very long memories and will not take kindly to your disrespectful comments.

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 09:06

Let us all relax it is only 1hour 54mins for tis auspicous occasion 11-11-11 2 mins silence.

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 09:40

DC is getting boring whenever there is talk of military he comes up with the similar confrontational posts.

Best to keep quite DC.

spider


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Message Posted:
11/11/2011 10:14

http://postimage.org/image/rn35ec1pl/







Spider,X

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 10:15

Saying what you think is not popular with some C44 members - you'll find some of them in this thread. If you don't line up with them, the quality of their replies is predictable. So be it.



My point is and remains: if all armies (had) stayed in their home countries a lot of bloodshed would have been avoided throughout the centuries. I don't believe in armies defending their home countries - 10.000 kilometres or more away from their home countries.



It has nothing to do with my respect for the young men and women who gave their lives in circumstances they didn't vote for.



I prefer young men and women to live for their country and their own future instead of being killed in far away places. Maybe one day the world will learn. I'm not optimistic though.

R.C.T.Man.



Joined: 27/03/2009
Posts: 746

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 10:40

20 Minutes to go.

spider


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Message Posted:
11/11/2011 10:59

Message 18..When man stops learning..when man stops and thinks.when man learns to love.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons







Spider,X

decanddyl


Joined: 17/01/2009
Posts: 792

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 13:06

DC can you give it a rest your views on military confrontations are well documented on this Forum for the last couple of years at least. Please stop insulting the memories of those that gave there lives.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 13:31

DC .. I'm not political & never get into political argements ..



Think about it especially today ..



If all the armies had stayed in their own countries .. You probably wouldn't be here today & if you were you would be speaking GERMAN ..

harita


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Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 13:33

arguements no less ..

cavalryman


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Posts: 314

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 13:35

But for the soldiers who fought in ww2 you and your country would be speaking German, oh I forgot you do perhaps you were prepared in advance !!!!

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 14:19

@ msg 22, harita: (...) If all the armies had stayed in their own countries .. You probably wouldn't be here today & if you were you would be speaking GERMAN (...)

▶ Is this what some Brits in this thread call an intelligent exchange of opinions and arguments..?! Jeez.

Why would I speak German in Holland if the German army had stayed home..? Read my msg # 18 again, please.

The same reply goes to msg 24 by cavalryman.



You know what is really sad in this thread? Some contributors to this thread. Trying to silence me while writing about freedom of speech - read msg 1. Sad indeed.

I wish you all a good day.

End of.

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 14:27

THE FINAL INSPECTION



The soldier stood and faced God,

Which must always come to pass.

He hoped his shoes were shining,

Just as brightly as his brass.



'Step forward now, you soldier,

How shall I deal with you?

Have you always turned the other cheek?

To My Church have you been true?'



The soldier squared his shoulders and said,

'No, Lord, I guess I ain't.

Because those of us who carry guns,

Can't always be a saint.

I've had to work most Sundays,

And at times my talk was tough.

And sometimes I've been violent,

Because the world is awfully rough.



But, I never took a penny,

That wasn't mine to keep,

Though I worked a lot of overtime,

When the bills got just too steep.



And I never passed a cry for help,

Though at times I shook with fear.

And sometimes, God, forgive me,

I've wept unmanly tears.



I know I don't deserve a place,

Among the people here.

They never wanted me around,

Except to calm their fears.



If you've a place for me here, Lord,

It need

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 14:29

If you've a place for me here, Lord,

It needn't be so grand.

I never expected or had too much,

But if you don't, I'll understand.



There was a silence all around the throne,

Where the saints had often trod.

As the soldier waited quietly,

For the judgment of his God.



'Step forward now, you soldier,

You've borne your burdens well.

Walk peacefully on Heaven's streets,

You've done your time in Hell.'

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 21:57

DC I am a military man and proud of it, as far as not being able to think for myself, you really need to be carefull who you insult.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 22:19

Message 25 ..

harita


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Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 22:25

Try again ..

Message 25 .. Why would I speak German in Holland if the German army had stayed home..?



The point is the German army DIDN'T stay at home .. If all the other armies had ..



YOU WOULD NOW BE SPEAKING GERMAN .. Possibly you may not even be here ..

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 22:32

A DC quote .. From another thread ..



* As a non-English speaking foreigner I'm entitled to write nonsense, right..?



You are absolutely "spot on" with that statement ..

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 23:23

@ harita: Sie haben recht, Herr Harita! Quoting from a totally different thread. What a cheap shot, what a sad man you show yoursel here. Mais je m'enfou. Ich werde auch nichts mehr sagen, jedenfalls nichts was ich denke. Welterusten, droeve soldaat.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 23:24

Typo: yoursel = yourself

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 23:31

Oh dear he calls others sad men !







Yet he is the sad one on 44 !



Always wanting to cause disrepute on every single thread..Why ? a failed board of his own ! Oh dear.



Spider,X

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 23:45

Its JMHO..That maybe he needs to be banned for life..



That would put and end to him posting his websites and forum etc,etc,





He could come back as another id but he would not be able to get away with his personal links that make his money..



Yep JMHO..could well be a darn good IDEA



Spider,X

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 23:46

@ msg 34: Dear. When your Vic goes to bed - may I suggest that from now on you join him? The statistics prove that past eleven pm is a dangerous time for converted alcoholics.

spider


Joined: 03/01/2009
Posts: 5527

Message Posted:
11/11/2011 23:56

We do not drink lol..and after 11pm we cuddle up warm'''.Vic shows he loves his wife !'' He talks to me always



And my advice to you would be to be very very careful from this day forward you might find that you fall over and off your little Dutch clogs on the pavements we have here..Your the drinker lol..





Spider,X

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 00:08

This thread is now closed. Reason: Spider doesn't serve any purpose on this board.

GinaC


Joined: 26/11/2010
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 09:09

What a sad state of affairs when a thread about Armistice day decends to such depths and becomes so personal and abusive.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 12:25

Let us go back to the initial post by Cinders and consider it as the 'Last Post' for all of the brave servicemen and women who gave their lives and made sacrifices to rid the world of despots and dictators.



Let us not consider the posts above that are disseminated with the intention of antagonising and belittling those who fought for freedom and paid the ultimate price and those of us who believe in the right to do so.



Doubtless there will always be odd and timid souls who scoff behind the backs of the brave and courageous, however, there are no words in any language that can dignify or justify their contemptible conduct.

slatnumber7


Joined: 25/08/2010
Posts: 299

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 12:26

''It's the military not the reporters who have given us a free press, it's the military, not the poet who has given us the freedom of speech. It's the military,not the politicians that ensure our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's the military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath it and who's coffin is draped by it when they pay the ultimate price for our freedom. God bless them all.''



Thank you.

harita


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 1343

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 13:45

DC .. What a sad sad man you are ..



More interested as to what Richard the Lion Heart & his cronies did .. Who if my memory serves correct never set foot in England, than what Hitler would have done if he had visited our shores ..



Many of your much hated Brits, why I can't understand, are old enough to remember WW2 ..

I was born in 1940 & can well remember dads & uncles being away, some never returned ..



Yet you still can't get into your thick head of what the consequences could have been .. "IF"



Get a life .. More to the point be thankful you have one .. Due to these brave young BRITISH men ..

babydoll


Joined: 27/07/2011
Posts: 140

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 14:39

here here harita

fantastic post absolutely spot on

ang1706


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Posts: 570

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 14:44

I believe in everybody having an opinion and Dutch you are more than welcome to yours.



Have you ever been to Arnhem around the 17 September? I ask this as I have on numerous times and had nothing but a fantastic welcome from the DUTCH PEOPLE.



But I also share a bit of your sentiments as in 2008 myselfe and Gerry Lee both former Warrant Officers in Airborne and Commandos WERE NOT invited to join the 'Good and Worthy' to go to Remembrance at Lefkosia- the bus was full and hardly a former serviceman was on it!

We went to St Andrews wearing our medals and went for a beer or two after and in a few of the 'watering holes' expat Brits looked at us like we were weird!



So I can agree with you as to I believe there is a lot of apathy and this wonderful outpouring of 'Remembrance' is nice but why now, Ill tell you, because its the latest thing to do!!

As a Falklands Vet I know only too well it will not last and do find it heartening yet disheartning or am I being too cynical!!

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 15:51

WW1...The tragedy in "Armistice" lies within the word itself, basically it means cancelled / called off...After Millions of young men had died from 1914 to 1918 for absolutely nothing ...

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 17:54

Re Msg 44 - as a person who has served I am always heartened by the outpouring of support and sentiment. I disagree that the UK population are supporting us because 'it's the latest thing to do'. I think it is because it has been a long time since we had a long term conflict (Op CORPORATE (Falklands) / Op GRANBY (Gulf 1) were short term operations) to gather momentum on public feeling PLUS the media are much more vocal in supporting us. Long may it continue (the support that is).

ang1706


Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 570

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 20:18

Message 46,



The Falklands lasted about 3 months then where are they again!!



OP Banner Tours - a soldier died and could not even get more than a line in a national paper, OP Granby like Falklands, but the Government is guilty about sending troops to Afgahistan/Iraq. Public empathy will soon wane!!



Its just the 'Jingolistic' thing to do at pres!!



This from an ex Warrant Officer with over 30 years service - so I know what I am talking about!!

Biggles


Joined: 14/06/2009
Posts: 165

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 22:37

Some posts are do not merit a reply. Do not be tempted to do so, especially late at night. Leave it, they have no power if there is no fuel to feed upon! RIP to all who gave their lives so courageously. We will never forget you.

Mick the Fish


Joined: 27/05/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
12/11/2011 22:54

For DC. I'm studying the Dutch Reformation at the moment. I'm surprised you don't speak Spanish.



You state that 'Old soldiers are really soooooo tiring with their "If it wasn't for the Allies... etc". That's more than 65 years ago, Sir'



You chose to ignore that Rememberance day covers ALL conflicts that the Commonwealth was involved with.



Including more recent ones where the Dutch Surrender Monkeys 'participated'.

cinders


Joined: 08/10/2011
Posts: 61

Message Posted:
13/11/2011 19:18

I would like to thank everybody on this thread who supported my sentiments, I attended the Remembrance service in Girne this morning, it was really well attended by a great number of nationalities, which should be the case. I'm sorry DC , I would fight again for your freedom of speech but I beleive you are a small minded bigot who is only interested in yourself, so your opinions on the British and there way of life and beliefs are not welcome on MY THREAD.