a plea to all

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 12:51

i have been away for 2wks and have missed out on whats been going on . whatever it was , what i gather is that has been dealt with somewhat . can we now please start afresh and put everything what has gone on in the past , in the past , without going into details there are still some distinct inuendo's in some peoples posts , to these people i say , these inuendo's serve to incite emotional retorts , and keep bad feelings festering if left undefended by the person who it concerns , so then we could find ourselves in the same situation again and again , as someone has already said if you can't say something nice , then just don't say anything

looking forward to getting back to the way it used to be , simbas

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 12:56

Well said Simbas . W here have you been ? you have been missed .

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 13:08

hi pipie , bless you , just came back from ghana this morning , i love the heat , { but i suppose it is the hamattan season } , but i have never experienced anything like this , and i've going there for 34yrs , to give an example , when i sunbathed the sun was causing the nylon in the lycra of my swimsuit to burn my delicate skin underneath { are'nt i precious }, it was painful , so i gave that up as a bad job , given that and the humidity , it was most uncomfortable this time

have a good w/e , simbas

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 13:22

Whilst I agree that no one in their right mind would wish this forum to return to how it was in the last few weeks, I for one do not agree that the purpose of this forum is to be "nice" but to be informative.

No one wants posts which are abusive, aggressive, racist etc but there is a danger that "moderation" can soon turn into censorship if the posts are at odds with the personal beliefs of those who can moderate.



I would hate to see this forum be engineered toward being a "happy clappy" type of board. There ARE many positive reason for buying and living in the TRNC but to bury ones head in the sand, turn a blind eye, and not make other people aware of the potential dangers and pitfalls, based on first hand accounts from other forum members, is counterproductive.

Reasoned, informed and intelligent debate should not be stiffled.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 13:54

hi bradus , and that is it is'nt it ? , everyone is entitled to their opinions and they should be respected without being ridiculed for their views , you can have a healthy debate without personal , slanderous or crude remarks being in the equasion

have a good w/e , simbas

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 14:21

How about threatening violence... is that OK?

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 14:33

Totally unacceptable.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 14:34

groucho , what do you think ?

have a good w/e , simbas

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 14:43

This reply is not meant to be a personal attack on anyone, however, I have just read about new moderators being appointed, and was slightly puzzled to read that two moderators had been previously appointed, but their appointments had not been disclosed to the rest of the membership, which I find very odd. On every other BB there is transparency as to WHO is moderatorating, and yet this did not happen on here? There has been no specific reasons given as to why these appointments were kept hidden from the rest of the members. I think the majority of the members would have welcomed knowing that new Mods had been appointed (if only to deal with the problems experienced recently), and therefore I find it somewhat bizzare that an announcement was not made at the time.



Therefore can I ask why the need for so much secrecy?

This post is not intended as a challenge to anyone, but I feel that some clarity is required here.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:01

Simbas



I am thank you...



I think maybe the "Be Polite" rule should specifically state that a threat of violence will automatically incur a life ban....

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:20

hi kay ,when all the furore was going on i was away , so could'nt do anything about it personally , about the previous existing moderators i myself only knew of 1 other , ukturk , i now know that steve was one too ,kay , i can only speak for myself , it was a long time ago when i became a mod and there was no intent of secrecy , i honestly did'nt think it served any purpose of great importance i was told it was up to me whether i disclosed being a moderator or not , so i made that choice , also i did'nt want to appear as to be running with the horses and the hounds ,when that clearly was'nt correct , i took great care to be totally unbiased but if i had gone public i wonder how many people would have seen it that way ,if they knew who the moderator was , i did take great care not to participate in the thread being moderated , i hope this post makes sense i came clean in message 64 & 65 of cyprus44 moderators i don't know if you read it

regards , simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:22

me personally , i agree with you groucho

regards , simbas

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:48

Are we now due a plea each from the other nine mods?

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:54

Bradus & simbas i agree with you so much the lack of responce from mods amongst the plethrea of abuse forced me to to take action this is just why I will enforce 100 % no tollerace on that that shallnot be mentioned and oon all bits it says.





Forum rules

Personal attacks are not allowed - Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack.



This is in no way a plug for any other forum but just a responce to valid points rasied .



If the mods on here had taken the same aproach there would there would not be a problem now.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:57

Dear Mrs Simbas,



When you are posting: can you please, please use capitals where appropriate and use some punctuation in the right places? Makes reading easier. Thank you.

arrry



Joined: 19/08/2008
Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 15:59

And also sit up straight and leave that baby alone lol

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:04

and do not put your finger in the ........................... free bottle of wine at lagoon for any first one to get the answer within the hour.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:06

Groucho



As far as I am aware, all the other moderators announced who they were, on the day they were asked to moderate. This I feel is only right and proper.Whilst the forum rules state that the moderators will have the final word, the forum members should also be monitoring the moderators to ensure no bias is being shown to certain posters or posts. Kate is right to ask for transparency.

Let us hope we now all know, who all the moderators are.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:09

transparency is great but DICTATORSHIP is RIFE

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:14

i was'nt around at the time nige , from what i can gather neither was izzet but perhaps the others were'nt either work ie committments ect it was all rather unfortunate that no mods were around at that crucial time , i personally take on board what you are saying , nige i spend a lot of time trawling this board , but with all the will in the world its still not possible to read every single thread i'm sure the other mods will agree , what has everyone said at one time or another on this board ?, don't respond to such posts , but i can see why people are upset about not knowing who the mods were , if they did , they could have just ignored the posts and reported it to one of the mods so they could have dealt with it , but if they were away , i don't know the way around it , but it should be easier now with 8 more on board , my post sounds like i'm trying to wriggle out of something , but i promise you i am not

regards , simbas

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:16

Nige

"If the mods on here had taken the same aproach there would there would not be a problem now."

I don't think there is a problem now is there?

Val44


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 210

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:16

What if we do not like some of the new moderators?

They should have been voted in by the elders of the board??

Including PP.



Just my opinion.



Val xx

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:16

If you,re so unhappy with this board Nigel I,m sure you know of others you can join in with. It has been very unpleasant on here of late and at some point we need to move forward, we have to give the moderators a fair chance and a little respect, their job will not be an easy one going by the reactions so far.

Baspinar Bob


Joined: 15/02/2008
Posts: 618

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:18

Nige

Dyke . Red please

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:22

Good Afternoon DutchCusader

I will try harder to do as you ask . Forgive me , as i am not as computer literate as most .

Regards , Simbas







Hope this is a little better.

w26kay



Joined: 14/10/2007
Posts: 479

Message Posted:
29/11/2008 16:33

Thank you for your frank response Simbas. I personally feel concerned that by your own admission "it was a long time ago when i became a mod and there was no intent of secrecy". It does serve a purpose for all BB members to be kept informed, if only to have someone to contact in the event of a complaint. Moreover your feeling of not wanting run "with the horses and the hounds" would have been erradicated as everyone would have been aware of your Mod status. When I joined this BB the T&C were clear. 1 Mod, Issett. That was clearly untrue. Now it would appear there were 4! What happened to moderation by SteveMc and UKTurk in the recent difficulties and in the absence of Issett?

I sincerely hope that from now on, as a BB member I have all of the full facts as to who is moderating on this BB, and that clandestine appointments (as has been the case here) will not be repeated in the future? IMO It is rather insulting to say the least to keep people in the dark.



regards , simbas

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 21:32

Hello, Simbas ..Nice to see you back,as for your posting without capitals or punctuation marks,I should let that drift over your head my dear.I have no problems reading any of your posts,and along withyou and many others we make mistakes,being the novices we are.Some people seem to take great delight in belittling others just for the hell of it, but there again we havent had any journalistic experience of writing columns for newspapers where one has to be gramatticaly correct,so welcome back my dear and keep posting however you like...

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 21:49

RE msg 27, Coachie : (...) Simbas ..Nice to see you back,as for your posting without capitals or punctuation marks,I should let that drift over your head my dear. (...)



===> I understand it's wrong, in your opinion, to ask board members to try to write proper English - their first language. In my opinion: a sad attitude and affronting your country.

Hector


Joined: 26/08/2008
Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 21:54

Personally, if one treats others on this BB in a manner that you yourself wish to be treated and contribute to posts as if your Mum, Dad or children were reading them, then does it matter who is a moderator? If everyone does that there is no need for them anyway. I am personally very disappointed in the manner in which some have dragged this forum down. Whose side are they on?

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:18

One of the big problems on this board in my humble opinion is that there are a certain few people who continually tell half truths and contrive to distort fact, while I fully accept that people are entitled to their opinions, this does not give them 'carte blanche' to be derogatory towards others, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE, and to pick fault with peoples posts because of their punctuation marks etc. is frankly pathetic, shame on you Hans.

Another thing that in my humble opinion brings the board down is people posting drivel just to get their posting numbers up, "oh look you now got 5 stars, well done" 'oh my gosh so I have, I never noticed'

Yeah right !!!!!!

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:27

Kay,



I would add to your good points that mods should be evenhanded and not show favouritism to certain members over others. Someone has clearly been guilty of this disgraceful behaviour and abuse of position.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:32

Hi Lazy days,

I agree with you that it sometimes seems like nit-picking to comment on other people's Spelling / Grammar / Capitalisation - but Hans was certainly very polite about it - and of course, not being a native English speaker, it just makes it twice as hard for him to understand postings if all the conventions which he has so painfully learnt are not followed...

I have also seen people take offence at his posting 'manner' - when I realise full well, having spoken to him, that it is only his 'second hand relationship' with the English language which is creating the difficulty, due to his slightly 'stilted' phraseology.

Then again, serve him right for being born Foreign ;-)

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:33

DutchCrusader: "===> I understand it's wrong, in your opinion, to ask board members to try to write proper English - their first language. In my opinion: a sad attitude and affronting your country."



I agree. It's a sad reflection when it takes someone who uses English as a second language to point out these shortcomings. Anyone embarrassed or let down by their grammar or punctuation can easily take adult education classes or sit in with youngsters at community schools. This is not meant to be insulting; it's simply to pount out that something can be done about it - especially by people with plenty of time on their hands.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:34

As one person found out last week NEVER NEVER threaten as you do hurt when steps are taken to prevent action.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:39

Dutch, some of it is so poor you would wonder if English really is indeed their first language.... Keep up your own high standards...



Generally I would say it's not as important as getting your point across in this environment but I also find the really poor stuff grating...



Yes we all make the odd typo and this board does not forgive....



I find the adverts by English speakers with bad spelling the most unforgiveable simply because, I think it sends out the wrong vibes....

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:41

D.C. msg 28 . Perhaps youmight bear in mind that this a b.b.not a daily column for some London newspaper.People tend to type a head of there thoughts hence mistakes occurlike commas ,full stops and occasional spelling errors occur, but it still does not take awaythe general context of the message.I some times think you may be a bit peeved that Simbas is a moderator and you are not,this point having been brought up on another page i.e. that you had not been asked,and your answer about it not being advertised for the neccessary time period and also was the position of moderator only being offered to Brits and not Europeans.No doubt I wil be censured by the moderators for my comments but thats the way things go ......

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 22:56

Coachie,



I think DC was mainly saying how hard it is to get the gist of some messages when they're so hard to wade through. I will point out however that those with dyslexia are clearly a different matter. I point that out just in case my penchant for domineering rubber chickens in gimp masks ever gets out.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:05

OOPS - Too late!

It's out now!

- Just don't tell 'em your name, Pike...

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:06

Kay

You have an e-mail waiting for you.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:09

The disadvatage of being so critical is that people do not post views as they become scared of being ridiculed.



The less literate abstain, even though they might well have had the most interesting of posts.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:13

John you really should have checked your submission before pressing the send button.



'simply to pount out that'

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:13

bradus,



Fair point in your second par, but this is only the case for one person I can think of on all the Cyprus BBs.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:18

Always keep a dictionary at your side.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:21

AJ, it would do a damn sight more good in front of you!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:21

John that was message 33 by the way.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:23

Keith

I can't read.

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:31

AJ,

You can always cut and paste, the old fashioned way, with a pair of scissors and a pot of glue.

Makes a mess of your monitor screen though!

ps why do they call it a PAIR of scissors when there's only one of them?

Eh?

Eh?

MaggieAndBernie



Joined: 26/07/2008
Posts: 2012

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:35

Groucho, I just tried out Izzet's new chat room and was horrified to see the Moron Machaozy signed in there - can you believe that? After his vile treatment of you on this board last week I thought he was permanently banned.



Incidentally I have a spell check on this so if I spell something incorrectly I can just right-click and choose the correct spelling - maybe it comes with Firefox?

So glad I have it as they take no prisoners on here if you make a mistake - survival of the fittest!

Maggie

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
30/11/2008 23:39

Keith

I have progressed to ball point pens and Tippex although I don't know how much longer my screen is going to last.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
01/12/2008 21:01

PP.. I think DC,s knowledge and use of the English language is excellent that was why I was a bit angry at him having a go at Simbas.He can read those posts as well as you or I or anyone else on this board, totally unnecessary as far as I was concerned.As for taking extra English lessons is concerned, that is not required,by most of us .It is familiarity with these keyboards and where every thing is.Like Simbas I am a relative novice on these P.C,s but i am gradually getting there, and Simbas is probably the same...All We ask is a bit of tolerance from the more experienced users...

Val44


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 210

Message Posted:
01/12/2008 21:59

Simbas



You keep it up girl. We can see your computer skills are not great. But you try and that's just great.



Val xx

BillyB


Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 436

Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:06

Simbas

Dont change anything unless you want to. We all lack in certain areas and excell in others, thats life. I note your never rude to anyone, you excell in this area yet some of the posters above are somewhat lacking in this area. Its no wonder people are scared to post. Cant be bothered to check my post for mistakes im sure someone will do it for me.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:20

Hi Coachie , bless you ! i can't pretend i find anything to do with computers easy , but like you say i am trying { yeh , very trying } . DC , probably has the time to read and comment on my posts , and yes it might not be up to his standard .Most people get caught up inteir posts , so grammer is'nt as importantant as their passion at that particular moment in time . I have never felt the need to to pass comment on the way people punctuate their posts or for the way they spell or indeed they way they speak , and to pull people up about it is in my opinion insensative and rude . It could be very sensative issue for some people and to belittle them is a most unkind thing to do . I will continue to plod along but will endeavour to improve.

Kind Regards , Simbas

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:22

Simbas,



Kelsey Grammer is always important but English Grammar is more important still... ;¬)

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:22

Thank -you for your kind words Val .

Regards , Simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:28

Hi BillyB . Some things are more important to some people and not to others , that's a fact , it's human nature

Regards , Simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:33

Hi Groucho. I agree ! , it might be to some .

Regards , Simbas

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:47

Simbas,



You are forgiven as English is your second language... ;¬)

puppylover



Joined: 05/05/2008
Posts: 1427

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:49

Hi Simbas



Good to see you back....you have been missed.

I am not going to comment on a certain members remarks to you as I believe it fuels the fire so to speak.

All I will say is...oh to be perfect!! (wink wink).



By the way.....how's the cat...fully recovered?



Take care and have a nice day.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:59

Bless-you , thank-you Groucho

Regards , Simbas

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 08:09

Hi puppylover , thanks . We picked the delinquents up yesterday and Simbas had his sutures out , he wo'nt be going back on the catwalk thats for sure , its a bit of a mess still , but he's ok and thats what matters. It was the first time they had gone into catteries , and they are still a bit upset with us , flicking their tails at every opportunity and being very very vocal . Hope they settle down soon the noise is driving my husband mad .

Have a good day , Simbas