Occupy Buffer Nicosia

Erkin


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Message Posted:
21/11/2011 10:36

Well folks the first of the many Occupy the buffer Zone took place on Saturday night, Despite the threats from all around 40odd people stayed put in our tents in the buffer zone, at one point some UN officers came out and told us to clear off, followed by a slight problems with the Greek Border officers, who tried to take away out tents and sleeping bags, so we had to dash across the checkpoint before being stopped, followed by the Turkish Cypriot officers then telling us that if we try to cross to the other side, we would be arrested.



We would like to thanks everyone, who donated some of their shopping and everyone for their support.

The camp will remain in place for sometime to come.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 10:38

Ps more inbfo available on the facebook page

occupy Nicosia.



Thanks

Whistler


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Message Posted:
21/11/2011 11:22

Please be very careful. I heard that there are still land mines on that land. Take care and good luck

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 11:35

We are not directly in the field.



We are situated in ledra street crossing (Lokmaci). Thanks for your concern.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 11:58

Sounds like you are having lots of fun Erkin. Being chased by UN officials, then the GC authorities then the TC.



What's the take up, is it 50/50 GC and TC?



What are your demands. Are they all of these below and more?



*An end to capitalism

*An end to all foreign occupation of Cyprus

*An end to Cyprus being used by foreign countries for their own ends

*The reunification of Cyprus

*The teaching of both Greek and Turkish on both sides of the island

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:00

Erkin, I am with you in spirit, if I were over there I would join your campaign.



Come on all you expats, hardly any response to this very important thread, why dont some of you join the campaign.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:22

msg 5:

I had to leave this morning to get to work, so we are taking turns in staying in the buffer zone.

Yep plenty of fun, the Un can not do very much, they can only plead for us to leave, they can not use force



There were more Gc then Tc on Saturday night, The Tc police are watching carefully on Tc crossing to check who is taking part, This morning I had to go round to Ledra palas to cross over, inorder not to be arrested by the Tc police.

Our demands is simple,

1. we want firstly all forces to leave Cyprus from Greece and Turkey.

2.We want the Goverments on both sides to work more with the people in resolving the reunfication.

3.We want both sides to intoduce education of bothsides of the with the issues of Cyprus rather then children being brainwashed.

4.We want both sides to intoduce compulsary education on language in the schools of Greek and Turkish.

Erkin


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Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:24

msg 6

Thanks fot your support.

Erkin


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Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:28

So much for the freedom of press, both the Gc and the Tc goverments are trying to block any news coverage of the event, by refusing the media into the buffer zone.

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:35

msge 9



Makes me think that the governments don't want a solution.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 12:38

The goverments on both sides are to busy with trying to agree on power sharing for themselfs then the real issue of reunification of the island.

sharpei


Joined: 20/11/2011
Posts: 20

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 14:09

good luck Erkin. x

Clara


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 14:15

I cant find any page for it on Facebook,you had better create one asap.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 14:27

msg 13:



there is a facebook page already.



http://www.facebook.com/pages/Weekly-occupation-of-Lidra-St-buffer-zone/146097295489372



copy page this

Clara


Joined: 26/02/2009
Posts: 136

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 14:54

Thanks,got it now !

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 15:00

Well done Erkin

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 15:41

Thanks to all for your support.

Visitor


Joined: 19/08/2010
Posts: 492

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 15:45

brilliant Erkin well done!



Many Cypriots living abroad support you and your friends

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 16:43

We passed by there today and thanked the guys who were there.

We support you in a united Cyprus. Keep up the good work.

AngelaT


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Posts: 114

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 18:50

Good luck!

wynyardman



Joined: 15/12/2007
Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 19:12

Well done. Yours is a noble cause, and needs to be heard.



I APPOLOGISE for those of us who are too idle,frightened, or just plain indifferent to your cause.



YOU PEOPLE ARE THE FUTURE and should be applauded.



WE ARE IN THE UK, but your cause is resonating around the world



Thank you,



Inadequate as it may seem, we are with you in spirit.



wynyardman

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 20:55

Thank you all for your suppport.



Msg for wynyardman, well at least we can agree on this topic, but continue to disagree on the gay issues

so why did the homosexual ride into town and shoot the cowboy then?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 21:03

Being dedicated to a cause, should not deny you a sense of humour.



wyn

newlad



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Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 21:16

I totally support what you are doing.More publicity is needed for this,Marion are you out there.Would it be possible for you to run a piece on this.Good luck Erkin,goodluck to all the other Tcs,and Gcs.Come on Marion,get your pen out,



Paul.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 21:31

I have been following you on face book. Judging from the photos and remarks there is a very good atmosphere. Good luck and my respect is with all those TC's and GC's standing up for their rights and campaigning for change.



Well done Erkin and keep us informed of how it's all going.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 23:12

Again thanks to all for your supports, it is a well over due action that should have been done many years ago, at least we have started and slowly growing and more and more of the people are starting to think for themselves rather than just read or listen from others.

Our main aim is to reach out the the younger generation of today rather than the pre74, as most young people are either being brainwashed in schools and at home.



We will continue for as long as it takes to stay in the buffer zone, we ask for your support, if anyone is passing, Pls even a bottle of water,packet of biscuits or anything that you can provide to keep the boys and girls going, would be appreciated.

Please do not bring anything to large as both Gc and Tc police are monitoring the people crossing and we do not want to get people into trouble for supplying us.



Once again thanks to all for your support.

flightholiday


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Posts: 3217

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 23:44

Erkin Msg 26 - I think you might be surprised at how many of the "pre 74" would agree with your actions.

The concept and action is laudable but I suspect (and am very sad) that is will still fall on far too many deaf ears including many expats. You need the world stage maybe a parallel camp in the UN?

wynyardman



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Posts: 4580

Message Posted:
21/11/2011 23:50

If someone will step forward and offer a supply route for food and drink, I will donate.



wyn

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 00:08

thanks wyn

as i said anyone crossing from ledra street can drop it in to us.

and please please if you are crossing and thinking of giving a cash donation instead of supplies,

PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT DO THAT. ONLY DRINKS AND FOOD SUPPLIES.

We do not want to be accused by the press or any other of doing this for cash event.



thanks

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 00:11

Msg 27:

I am not saying that pre74 is not supportive of our actions, but they know what happened, our aim is to educate the younger generation in order for them to read up on the topic rather than just learning from the teachers or what the parents are teaching them.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 02:42

Turkey is not interested in any settlement.

N Cyprus is a strategic Turkish military garrison and that is why you cannot stop in various areas without whistles blowing and soldiers appearing out of nowhere if you dare stop to look at the scenery let alone photograph.

They are a nuisance( from a tourist standpoint) but a necessary "evil" and will be there for a very long time despite what the rest of the world thinks and in view of pre 74 events I do not blame them!!

And sufficient greeks hate the Turks sufficiently not to want their kids educated other then to continue hating Turks.

And that's a fact !!!!

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 08:26

Msg 31.

Yes we are all aware that it is not in the interest of Turkey to come up with a settlement on this issue.

while we are trying to promote Tourism in this country, and as you state, you can not stop without the whistles of the soldiers blowing, So how do we promote tourism them, how do we get the Gc to view us differently, when they have 40,000 + guns pointing at them.



Peace is not at the end of the gun but in people hearts and minds,by promoting better relationships.

Recently a member of the group went to visit some of the sites in and around Kyrenia and he stopped at the Karaoglanoglu army cemetery, only to be attacked my Mainlanders because he was Greek.



99.9% of the mainlanders are now under the impression that when they come to TRNC that they we are part of Turkey. They are still under this illusion that we should be even more grateful now then ever for their support,and most mainlanders working,Tourist,Students think that we should just be given a Turkish ID and p

canada


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Posts: 195

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 08:35

Bravo Erkin !

we are with you

nicola


Joined: 06/09/2011
Posts: 246

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 08:57

I would be more than happy to donate to buy food and supplies, if something is set up please let us know on this forum.



Remember from little acorns. Power to you all x

mrsgee


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Posts: 396

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 09:02

Well done Erkin and your associates.....good luck with the cause. x

wylam


Joined: 06/05/2011
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 10:17

Erkin, if you are genuine, then you and your FEW TC's friends are being taken for a ride by the GC's I'm afraid. What you want is a united Cyprus with Turkish and Cypriots living together being governed by a united government. Don't we all! but what you'll get is a Federation which, as in 1960 to 1963 will dissolve into a Greek led government as before.

I applaud what you are trying to do, but look at the Face Book page.........................how much Turkish Cypriot input?

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 11:13

msg 36

Yes I do speak Turkish but I am NOT a Turkish Cypriot, I am a CYPRIOT, Firstly lets gets this stupity out of our heads, DO not mix the language that we speak with the nationality which we are.



Just because we speak 2 different languages on this island does not mean to say we have to be Labelled as being Greek or Turkish.



Yes we want a united island and no we do not want a Federation, by getting a Federation will still allow outside powers like Greece and Turkey to continue their interference.



early days Wylam early days, a tree does not give fruit overnight. At least what few Tc we have in this struggle has taken the balls to stand up and try to get thier voice heard.



Remember the famous words of Luther King, WE SHALL OVER COME

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 11:32

as for who rules who cares if Greek or Turk, at the end of the day, Justice is the key point, as for going back to 60s, please more people are educated these days not to make the same mistakes that happened in the 60s.



In The UK there are over 1 million Turkish & Greek Cypriots, Who rules us?



At the end of the day as long as laws are their to cover everyone then i do not see a problem.

The other point i wish to make there are over 1000 Turkish Cypriots as you put it living in the south since 1974, have you ever heard them complaining, NO they are not.



We have grown to hate one and other from the bad stories of the 60s, well nearly 40 years have passed in history and both sides have learnt alot from past mistakes.

How many people died in 2nd world war, Do the Jewish people still hate Germany? No

How many people died in the world due to conflict

What has happened has happened and is deep in the past, Now is the time has come to forgive and forget, Love and respect one and o

wylam


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Posts: 26

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 12:29

Maybe you can explain the actions of the Paphos headmaster who wished to build a gallows to show his primary school children what the British did to their valiant Eoka Freedom Fighters' . Never mentioned that these 'brave Eoka fighters had murdered British civilians and soldiers. THIS happened less than a month ago in the 21st century. FRIENDS?

I'm sorry but the majority of people south of the border have learnt NOTHING from past history.

There are hundreds of recent stories like this.

Stop trying to con the people of all nationalities living in the North. Your only friends on Face Book live in the USA, Australia and Britain and are completely out of touch with current life here and the TRUE history.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 12:57

I live here Wylam, in the south and see the north everyday of the week.



Grow up, nothing is perfect in this world, by showing what one headmaster had tried to do does not mean to say that the rest of the country is the same.



If we all looked at history, then you be shocked what can be seen.



If any one is trying to con people on this thread is people like you narrow minded.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 13:53

Msg 39.



In the last 12 months over 10 Turkish people have been killed in Germany by the Nazi group on racial grounds, so do we punish the 70mil Germans for the few bad apples, the Paphos headmaster is the same case, do we punish the south just for his or few other people wrong doings.?

brother



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Message Posted:
22/11/2011 14:17

Erkin, the position you hold on the matter needs more bolstering. Nobody can say the whole of the GC population is the same but it is difficult to believe that the island can reunite as if nothing has changed. In my view, too many changes have occured to allow a practical reunification to be realistic prospect.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 15:52

so tell me msg 42 what would you like to see happen in Cyprus?



1. We will never be allowed to become an idependent country.



2. I for one do not wish to live in a country that has been taken over by another (Turkey)



3. Yes too many changes have accured and talking to a lot of people in the south, more and more people are now blaming themselves for not agreeing to the annan plan of 2004.

which was a workable plan. Most Greeks voted against it because of the previous goverment and the press held lot of the information back from them.

brother



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Message Posted:
22/11/2011 16:55

Msg 43. I wish it was now such a straightforward solution. I would like to go back and have picnics on the Girne mountains surrounded by cyclamen whilst watching the deserted coastline. I would like to sit and marvel at how my mum and dad speak so eloquently with their neighbours - in Greek. I would like to go back to a time when there was no "urum taraf".



The intervention by Turkey has taken away any choice for the future.

Yearning for the island's reunification is like wanting a deceased loved one to come back. Reluctant as I am I can only see the Cypriot nation in terms of a diaspora - not as a nation based on the island of Cyprus.

Geejay


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Posts: 475

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 17:17

Erkin.....Your intentions and efforts whilst laudable are naive and misplaced. One cannot just wish away past history. Or indeed the racist and bigoted attitudes that one can read every day expressed on-line at Cyprus Mail, Cyprus News Report, Famagusta Gazette and PSEKA Not to mention Archbishop Chrysostomos's venomous outpourings ! And the continual negativity from ROC ministers.



1.You want "all forces to leave Cyprus from Greece and Turkey". This would leave the Turkish Cypriots completely unprotected against a revival of the Akritas Plan. Neither EOKA, or the Greek Cypriot National Guard, both involved in the events of 1963, have gone away you know ! You would be gambling with peoples lives !



2.You want "the Goverments (sic) on both sides to work more with the people in resolving the reunfication." Only government officials can sign binding agreements. The people of both sides will have the last say in referendum. How else can you involve everybody with differing opinions ?

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 17:31

Msg 45: please what risks would anyone take these days to start a war?

Do you honesltly think that the world is going to stand by and watch akritas plan or the Greek cypriot national guards re start the 60s over again?



There are alot of ways of involving people, i am not saying that we should be directly involved in the talks, what i am saying is that the goverments on both sides should make joint staments as to what is going on with the talks, as we have seen recently from the new york talk, the greek goverment is saying one thing TRNC goverment are saying another, who do we belive.



In the 2004 referendum, one of the biggest mistakes that was made, the people were not given enough info regarding the 183 page annan plan, different TV channels and Media giving different stories, causing confusion all over, even the people in the north did not know the whole info of the annan plan, we are only told what the goverments want us to know new or positive way.

brother



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Message Posted:
22/11/2011 17:43

If I may butt in (?). There doesn't need to be an all out "war" - all there needs to be is fear. If I may say, according to your profile, you would be too young to remember what it was like during the 1960s. It is quite sobering for the same friendly neighbours in a street to tell you that "soon even a cat will not be bold enough to walk down these streets".



As for refernda and your "even the people in the north did not know the whole info of the annan plan, we are only told what the goverments want us to know new or positive war" I would just point out that this is how referenda have always been haven't they? Usually the questions are weighted in favour of what the Government is trying to have agreement on.

Geejay


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Posts: 475

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 17:48

continued



3.You "want both sides to intoduce education of bothsides of the with (sic) the issues of Cyprus rather then children being brainwashed." That would not happen in the ROC. Their education system and the Orthodox Church preach hatred against the Turks and Turkish Cypriots, blaming them for all ills and especially the events of 1963-1974. They are in denial and will not accept any other view.



4.You "want both sides to intoduce compulsary education on language in the schools of Greek and Turkish" Why not English as well since that is the de facto language of business, IT, travel, sport, diplomacy et al. By not doing so they would be virtually cut off from social and economic contact with the international community. Neither Greek or Turkish is spoken officially by many other countries. Whereas English is a 2nd language in 26% of the world's countries.



Your efforts are a credit to you, but I feel doomed to failure. Such a shame but you cannot change entrenched opinions !

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 17:48

I'd like to help if at all possible. Is anyone in a position to help with supplies? If so, I'd like to contribute financially, can't do much else of practical value from the UK.

It's about time something like this happened. Stick with it, the Press (outside Cyprus) will pick up on it if it lasts for more than a week or two.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 18:24

Thanks for your support AndyR, just knowing that we are getting our msg across to people is enough. Yes we will stick out for more than a week, this has been going on for some 2months now but only decided to occupy the buffer zone and camp last saturday.

The Cyprus Today has written an article which will come out on Wednesday.

will post a copy here.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 18:30

Msg 47,



if we just continue thinking of the neq side of the 60s, we will not achive anything, it is time to move on.



Msg 48. English is already part of the education system on both sides.Might not be as good as we want it to be but English is taught at schools.whereas Greek or Turkish isn't.

brother



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Message Posted:
22/11/2011 19:16

Msg 51. There is a vast difference between concentrating only on the negative aspects and being aware. I suggest that more evidence is needed of the "love in" that you assert between the two sides.



Perhaps you could state what you would expect to happen initially and within the next 5 years if the UN and the troops were to disappear overnight.

wylam


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Posts: 26

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 19:34

Hi Erkin, Naive is not a strong enough word for you. Dangerous is more apt. I believe you are sincere in your actions but having seen the lot of you today in the buffer zone and also enjoying coffee in the expensive coffee bars of Ledra Street I cannot support your actions. You just gloss over the history and believe that the inhabitants south of the green line will just fall into line behind any solution put to them .

DREAM on !

Andy R you really do not know what is going on. It is mostly organised from the South with easily lead people from the North cowering behind. There is graffiti down Ledra street in support of the 'protest'. I saw none in the North.

The world will see it as a Greek led peace movement against the 'nasty Turks' AS USUAL.

wylam


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Posts: 26

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 19:40

and Erkin, why do the Children in the South get time off to protest on the 15th November at the anniversary of the founding of the TRNC and why do the gather at the crossing points on the 20th July. I'll tell you why, the teachers and their parents back them in this racist attitude that is rife among the GC population.

blade


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Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 19:59

Erkin. Keep up the good work you have lots of support.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 20:19

GC and TC are presenting a united front.This can only be good news. Glad to see lots of support for this initiative. Rise above the negative attitude of some that dwell in the past and present a very one sided view. After all isn't this part of the problem and exactly what needs challenging?

Visitor


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Posts: 492

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 21:00

Bradus there have always been GC and TC working together politically even as far back as the 1950's.

Cypriots have established numerous joint projects in the UK. Cypriots in Cyprus have been trying to create links between the two communities with the aim of reunification for the last three decades. Its not new but hopefully gaining momentum

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 21:56

Msg 52:

What crap are you talking about, Greek led what? U think that every one is as stupid as you that can not see from the end of your nose.



So are we not allowed to drink coffee then because we are in ledra street, Did you pay for the coffee or the people who are freezing the arses off each day sleeping in the tents in the cold weather.



Just how much do u see coffee, max 6euro at startbucks. expensive coffee what bullship.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 22:00

Of course u wouldn';t seeany in the north, the Turkish police have already threatned to arrest even if we put a single poster up in the TRNC thats a very noble of the goverment that is trying for peace, by threats.

philbailey


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Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 22:01

Erkin, think you mean msg53.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 22:04

Msg 54: wouldn't you be out their on the 15th November or 20th July if you had 40,000 guns pointing at you 24 hours a day, not to mention a flag of Turkey flashing in your face 24 hours aday seen over 25km.



They are just living in fear like we are of them.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 22:06

Yes sorry msg 52

the msg was for 53 and 54



thanks to all others for their support

Chelpet


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Posts: 253

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 22:10

I applaude and congratulate you on your brave stand, if the politicians cannot sort it out, then it must be down to the people, like it has happened in other countries, I just pray it does not lead to bloodshed,

we have a lot of TC friends in UK and they all agree with your stance, good luck and best wishes Erkin.

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 22:22

Visitor,



Yes I am aware of many of the projects going on, especially with the youth.There does not appear to be much media coverage from either side of the island? However lots of footage on U tube/face book. Spirits seem high.

wylam


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Posts: 26

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 23:12

Msg 61. You seem to be showing your true colours now not the nice little innocent Cyprus 44 contributor everybody took you for initially. Seems I've struck a nerve. goodnight some of us need to work tomorrow so we can afford a Starbucks coffee.

iceman


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Posts: 724

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 23:15

Geejay re:msg 48



You "want both sides to intoduce compulsary education on language in the schools of Greek and Turkish" Why not English as well since that is the de facto language of business, IT, travel, sport, diplomacy et al. By not doing so they would be virtually cut off from social and economic contact with the international community. Neither Greek or Turkish is spoken officially by many other countries. Whereas English is a 2nd language in 26% of the world's countries.



What planet are you from?...English is already compulsory on BOTH sides!!

Go back to msg 7 and read again..

Erkin said "We want both sides to intoduce compulsary education on language in the schools of Greek and Turkish"

What's wrong with that? Since we share the same geography..might as well understand each others lingo!

wylam


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Posts: 26

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 23:16

Oh before I go . You don't think 6 euro is a lot for coffee!!!! I wish I'd been a teacher of English like you or are you retired now your over 40?

AngelaT


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Posts: 114

Message Posted:
22/11/2011 23:21

Erkin, you have lots of support. It takes people like you and your friends to make a stand. If everyone since history began did nothing about what they felt were injustices, prejudices etc. then where would the people of today be? Good luck. Yours is a noble cause.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 00:14

Msg 67: How much is coffee in Gloria Jeans in Kyrenia these days?



yes Wylam not 40 but 46 years old, and no I am not retired, even if i had that option i am not one to sit on my back side and do jack shit all day.



Well if you think that 6euro is alot for coffee on the greekside then what can i say, maybe next time you cross send me a msg and i would happly buy a cup for you since you are looking for handout. the coffee will be on me.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 00:20

Msg 65: Yes do that go to sleep and count the sheep.

wylam


Joined: 06/05/2011
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 08:24

Just to conclude this matter Gloria Jeans charge 5.25 TL for an Americano coffee about €2.50 and it's tastier with a far stronger WIFI signal. Good Morning.

silentbutdim


Joined: 07/09/2010
Posts: 121

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 10:09

ANARCHY RULES.LETS VOTE ON IT.

pollymarples


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Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 10:44

You have my support in spirit Erkan.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 11:48

Msg. 62. np - I realised you were referring to some other message



Anyway, I must insist that my position is not as simple as just focusing on the past only. It is an issue more to to with the lack of visibility of any inter-communal /joint initiative to educate each side about the other.



IMHO what you should be involved in organising more of instead of your current action is the publicising of any joint youth activities - be it football or any other cultural and trust-building activities. It is these types of action that will convince each side of any real wish to "be as one" rather than demanding the governing authorities to change their game.



At the same time, there is no getting away from the fact that people will want restitution for their lost homes/property so how that can ever be resolved is anyone's guess.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 11:48

Thnaks pollymarples

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 11:54

Wylam, msg 53 .....



Nothing of any serious long-term benefit to the process of re-unification will happen overnight.

Whether this is being oraganised in the South or the North doesn't matter, whether the entire Island supports it or not doesn't matter, where they drink coffee doesn't matter!

What does matter is that the issue has dropped out of international politics to all intents and purposes; the current division of the island is slowly being accepted by the international community as the staus quo as the years roll past. This may seem like a small naive partisan protest, but if it continues it WILL slowly start to raise the issue again outside Cyprus, and that can only be for good of all cypriots.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 12:02

AndyR: I entirely agree that any initiative will need international support and what Erkin and his group of acquaintances are doing may well get the coverage that is essential for that level of focus to return (may need the odd incident before that happens...). However I cannot see how they can expect their demands to be met in the simplistic shape in which they are being presented.



As I said in a previous post - the best chance of "getting rid of the troops" is to make their presence seen as superfluous - something that is not apparent as yet.

AndyR



Joined: 23/04/2009
Posts: 317

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 12:10

Brother, msg 77 .....

I'm inclined to agree with you. The point as I see it is that it's happening. Their demands may be idealistic but it's a start. This is a 'people' led protest without the support or organisational skills of any government, military power or political party, that in itself will give it a legitimacy that doesn't exist when politicians with hidden agendas puff up their chests and let forth the same old vitriol that we've been hearing for decades.

There are many, many examples of massive change taking place over time having come form very small beginnings. Lech Walesa in Poland is one example, there are many more.

I hope that there are no 'incidents' that create short-term hysterical press and applaud these people for having the courage of their convictions.

If I was on the island at the moment I'd be there as well.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 12:13

msge 74



"IMHO what you should be involved in organising more of instead of your current action is the publicising of any joint youth activities - be it football or any other cultural and trust-building activities. It is these types of action that will convince each side of any real wish to "be as one" rather than demanding the governing authorities to change their game.'



You are right. Trust does not materialise out of thin air. It has to be cultivated and nurtured. In fact, if they don't develop trust and then reunify, they could be setting themselves up for a fall.



msge 77



"As I said in a previous post - the best chance of "getting rid of the troops" is to make their presence seen as superfluous - something that is not apparent as yet."



Good point

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 13:26

Msg 74:



Have you read the Annan plan of 2004, That was a workable plan for both sides on the property issue, if you want a copy of the annan plan of 2004 then let me know gladly email you a copy.



In respect to Joint ventures between the Gc and Tc there are lots of activities, in fact there is one called the street festival which will take place this saturday in Guzelyurt, where both Gc & Tc children will be doing a street festival with music and dance.



The sad part of all of this is that both sides are preventing the publicity of these kind of festivals. :(



it is only since we started the occuppy the buffer zone that the press are writing more on the issues and some of the joint ventures.



The E.U has given funds the the Gc goverment to start more projects but always spent in other areas.

In Sept the Gc started Greek and Turkish lessons for adults evening classes, and due to the high demand from the public, new classes will be opening in Jan 2012.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 13:36

Thanks to all for your comments, at the end of the day we need your views to continue, Since last week, Tv channels and Media are now picking up the Cyprus issue again.



In

Cyprus today (English)

Yeni Duzen (Turkish)



We have had a spanish news broadcast on Sunday do a report, we have informed the BBC along with other channels.



At the end of the day, we need your moral support to continue.



If any one wants a copy of the annan plan, i can e-mail.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 13:55

Msg. 80: That's more like it. This is the kind of information that needs pushing out to the wider audience. I suggest that your efforts will yield much more for all parties by getting involved in such publicising (if not organising) activities rather than trying to disagree with the not inconsiderable expertise of a whole string of international lawyers who are on record as saying how the Annan plan would have instability inserted into the core of such a settlement.



It is only through the gradual understanding, acceptance and tolerance of each other's raison d'etre that the wounds may gradually heal.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 14:50

msg 82



Thanks for your view, will pass them on them on.

wylam


Joined: 06/05/2011
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 17:28

More info on the street festival which will take place this Saturday in Guzelyurt, please.

Would be good to go and see this.

Why is there literature about the evil of Capitalism on your table in the buffer zone?

You should have the literature about your alleged peace struggle in full view.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 19:33

msg 84:



Street Festival Link



on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=177831352307699

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 21:58

TO wylam

How dare you tell cypriots how to run their country!! Just because their political opinion isn't the same as yours it doesnt mean that they are idiots. ITS THEIR COUNTRY, THEY SHALL RUN IT!! They are finally taking a stand and defending what they believe in and it isnt down to some expat to judge if what they are doing is right or not. And if your so anti-south why do bother going over there? Oh yes because your a hypocrite and don't know what your talking about, therefore keep your nose out off what has nothing to do with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
23/11/2011 21:58

To wylam (message 84)



WE HAVE PEACE, WE NEED A SOLUTION.

And if you only have negative things to say get off this thread!

wylam


Joined: 06/05/2011
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 08:42

WOW!!!! Kiprit, where did you spring from.? I would suggest you read what I've said before you jump in like that.

As I had other things to do a 10 pm last night I've just seen your infantile comments.

You say your only 14 so I take the insults without being too offended. At least Erkin puts up a case for himself and his fellow protesters and has some reasoned arguments.

Once again read what I've said please.

Yes the country has been at peace since the second wave by the Turkish Armed force in August 74 but how long would that remain if they left tomorrow?

Where did I say I say I was anti south?

I am as much a hypocrite as the tour bus companies that bring visitors to the North every day filling them with a distorted history lesson on the way............FACT.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 09:17

Wylan



In ref to your Turkish Armed forces leaving, Yes we have been at peace since 1974, but do we really need 40,000.



As i said in other threads, I am not ungrateful to the turkish goverment in their actions of 1974, but 37 years has passed, under the annan plan if it was agreed in 2004 only 6000 were to remain to ensure the safety of the Tc and reduced to final 850 within 10 years.

So if they can agree on that in 2004, then shouldn't Turkey show a bit of good will and reduce the army, at least the UN and world can see Turkey as a peacfull nation.



40,000 is far over the top, not to mention their presence in the streets can be clearly seen everyday of the week and occupying some of the best areas on the island.



Ok the main argument is safety but Turkey is hardly 10,000 miles away. From Incirlik to Cyprus it is a matter of minutes.

This is the general argument of most Tc, yes retain some but not all of the army.

Cyprusquest


Joined: 09/12/2008
Posts: 428

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 09:56

It would be great if this show of feeling was to grow and sort out the troubles.

John

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 09:56

Also may I point out the recent statement by Mr Erdogan, that if my the end of April 2012, no agreement is reached, he intends to give more people in Turkey the chance of of moving to live and work in TRNC by issuing them with TRNC kimliks.



We are out numbered by 4-1 at present mainlanders, what next become a district of Hatay.



What the Greeks did not manage in 67-74, Turkey is managing it. Wiping us out slowly.



Do You remember from history, what King Edward, Longshanks did in Scotland?

Giving the right to a noble person on the first day marriage to take the wife and Sc...,

wylam


Joined: 06/05/2011
Posts: 26

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 10:23

Erkin, In total agreement with message 89 and I also do not agree with Erdogan comments re TRNC Kimliks if no agreement by April, but I feel he is trying to push a settlement ,and I believe he sees no other way currently. However I do not believe South Cyprus should lead the EU next year after 'conning' the EU and the World in 2004 !

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 11:11

He is trying to push an agreement that he will not be workable and is fully aware of it.



Yes the E.U should appoint another member state to lead rather than Cyprus.



Yes they managed to con the world and E.U with the help of their counter part Greece in 2004, I think that E.U should appoint a special envoy to TRNC until this matter is resolved in order for the funds that are allocated to TRNC be used in the TRNC, rather than being blocked.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 13:00

The GC's love their TC brothers? Until we see some positive everyday evidence of this you people sitting in the buffer zone are, regretfully, freezing your assets for no purpose.

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 13:50

Msg.94 makes the case for a lot of people - albeit without any mincing of words



It is NOT about troop numbers is it? It is about actions that people take from day to day.

foxylad


Joined: 01/11/2011
Posts: 56

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 13:59

I see on twitter 'Occupy Ledra Street' has UN's blessing ‎ @SkyNews 'Occupy Ledra Street' has UN's blessing. tinyurl.com/bp4v3pt

cavalryman


Joined: 08/11/2010
Posts: 314

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 15:26

Erkin I see very few soldiers on the streeys and I have lived in Kyrenia for 5 years we see a few lorries and some soldiers and there families in the shops and clubs NOT as many as you would see normally in agarrison town in theuk.I furnished you with an up to date number for the military weeks ago. You overestimate everything t suit your argument .Turkey uses this island as a training base for its recruits who inturn are part of nato and serving us all in theatres around the world.Without the money these soldiers spend on the island a lot of shops would not do as well.As for being outnumbered 4 to 1 some one has to do the menial work your brothers find beneath them you cannot all be chiefs you have to have indians.Your 4 tents surrounded by empty starbucks and mcdonalds cartons looked sooo camp. Enjoy!!

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 17:22

So what are you saying Cavalryman just because they are not in Uniform we don't see that many?



Have you tried walking around Lefkosa at the weekends?



Training ground as what?

They come here for 12-15 months how is that training.



The figure I stated is from the army itself, around 40,000 public infomation, Just check it for yourself.



as for being out numbered we will see at the census after the 4th Dec.

cavalryman


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Posts: 314

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 18:27

Erkin If they are in civvies how do you know they are soldiers,If they are not in uniform and carrying guns whats the problem if you say there are 40.000 AND families thats a lot of ytl spent here.How long do you think it takes to train 15 months is not at all long my friend.As for the census I think the mountains will have lots of visitors hat day

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 18:29

Refering to what I said in my last message: THINGS HAVE CHANGED



I agree that there are still many g.cypriots that are pro greek and that try to brain wash their younger generations(...) but Turkey tries to do exactly the same thing to t.cypriots and if we do't act sooner or later our race will be wiped out replaced by Turks. I think even the pro-greek cypriots would rather have a solution with T. cypriots than share an island with Turks. So a solution is a matter of life or death for turkish cypriots and I don't think they can overcome an occupation with out the help of their brothers: the g. cypriots. So finally both sides are acting together in this mouvement and with patience and faith it might just work.

> Quoting message 88: <> I don't see why there wouldn't be peace if both sides reunited, after all Not only is south Cyprus in the E.U. but in this case the whole of the island would be. The E.U. would prevent another war and would probably make sure .

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 18:30

...both communities lived in harmony. Turkey wouldn't cause another war either because they are desperate to get in the E.U. (maybe not so much now) .

Greece is in a bad enough situation anyway so the last thing they would need is a war.

Yes the damage is done as the island is full of Turks but as Erkin said, if there was reunification the amount of Turks would rapidly go down. So in my opinion, if we act now, we might just have the chance of saving the island!

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 18:30

WYLAM (message 88)

Suggesting that I spend all my time on this forum ("As I had other things to do at 10 pm last night") is irrelevant, I have other things to do all the time: friends, fun, facebook, school, parties... and I'm not here to debate about our life style.

Also, I'm not asking you to be "offended" by my comments, and if you think the whole point of this is to "offend" your opponents you are wrong, we are simply debating not offending!



And thirdly, just because I'm a minor, it does not mean I don't have a brain or an opinion. Yes, I'm 14, but age doesn't judge your intelligence (I'm not talking about school grades or anything). Ignoring me just because I'm still a "child" might have happened 50 years ago but things have changed since then, in 4 years, people as "infantile" as myself shall be voting therefor maybe should take my opinions seriously.

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 19:07

I acctually posted my last messages in the following order: message 102- message 100 - message 101

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 19:52

Msg 99:



1: One must be blind not to see the difference in the way that they behave not metioning the haircut to be soldiers.



2. Yes the mountains will be full.



3. I am talking about everyday soldiers, what money can they be spending, all they do is spend the day in an internet cafes chatting with family or watching porn on the net.

Erkin


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Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 19:57

Kiprit congratulations, for a 14 year old, you are making a lot of sense.



nice to see that the young can voice their ideas, wish there were like you around.

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 20:13

Msg. 102: It would be good to hear more about what the GCs are willing to do to demonstrate their wish to "break the mould". For example, wouldn't it be a good thing if any priest that foments hatred is simply ejected from the Church as a priest. Wouldn't it be good that on the same day when groups of Gc children are sent to stand at the Green Line, another group is sent on a trip to the TC side to do something positive with children groups of similar age.



I know about the perspective of the TCs towards the "Gara Sakal" - it has always been like that for a lot of reasons - largely due to ignorance and intolerance. It would be true to say that there has been little empathy towards them and as a child when I was growing up in Lefkosa I was always confused by the emotive pronounciation of "Gara Sakal" by all the adults.

However, it is difficult to agree with disrespect for what the Mehmetcik did for the TCs when they were asked to.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 20:22

If I may just make a general point. Is it me or is the general gist of what the "Occupy" folks are saying is simply to forget everything that has happened. You know, as negative as this is going to sound, I don't think enough time has passed. What I mean is that theer are not only people of the generation of my own parents who remember the terrible times but there are people like me who were directly affected and we still remember. So, maybe there has to be more time, until I and others of my generation die before the past is - not so much forgotton - but more that iit is just some text that people read. No resonance, no empathy, no direct reference. That, will be when people can go around giving each other "group hugs".



Oh, I almost forgot: all subject to no punishment by imprisonment for any religious hatred beiing preached...

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 20:27

cavalryman-message 99:

Trust me, any t.cypriot (pro-turk or pro-solution) immediately knows the difference between a turk and a turkish cypriot. And I would like you to walk around central nicosia, on a weekend or even worse a Bayram, with a cypriot. I promise you that he will tell you that you could count the cypriots you see on one hand.



Seeing as you are having a phase of selective-beliving, and you don't believe Erkin when he says you can tell if they are soldiers or not: It doesn't really matter if they are soldiers or not what matters is that at the end of the day they have out numbered the turkish cypriots which is intolerable!



And you are right to think that there are lots of illegal citizens but recently there was an amnesty, so even more to wipe out the t.cypriots and you cant say cypriots are all right with the amnesty as there was a general strike that day.

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 21:00

Cypriots in the south just want turkey to leave there island.

Then why not lift the embargos, allow direct flights, and do everything possible to help the north, this would get rid of Turkey. All that is happening now is a GC attempt to split the TC's away from Turkey and obtain full control of the island for themselves. Some few may fall for it, but not the majority.



Erkin. Are you a racist or what.

Kiprit. Have you ever been to the TRNC?

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 21:05

I was BORN in the TRNC and proud to be cypriot.

kiprit


Joined: 23/11/2011
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 21:10

By the way, you said you're "retierd" did you mean "retired"???!!!??

Troodo


Joined: 12/06/2008
Posts: 1002

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 21:17

msg 110

I was BORN in the TRNC and proud to be cypriot.



That is very strange after your observations.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 22:31

109:



you wrote the same thing in the other thread (ex-pats and unification) and i gave my reasons their, I am not going to repeat the same thing again.



As to your question being racist or what? what kind of a stupid question is that, if i were racist, i would not be speaking to any Gc,living in Nicosia south or working in the south.



Turkey itself would have to be the first country to lift the embargo by voiding the customs union act of 1997, which Turkey agrees to embargo TRNC.



where are you from Troodo?

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 22:49

106-107:



I thing that u are intentionaly twisting words round here to stray away from the issue, I have not in any of my threads, dismissed the idea of what turkey did 1974 and i am grateful for that, but time has come to release the leash from the Tc.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 23:11

Msg. 114. You need to make yourself clearer. So far your argument appears to be based on drumming up hate for the mainlanders and trying to assert that the departure of Turkish troops will solve the core problem.



I suggest you present a little more considered opinion and responding to the debate rather than making personal remarks when you aren't happy with opposing opinion.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
24/11/2011 23:39

I am sorry if that is the impressions that has come across, Let me state clearly, I have no hatred for the mainlanders what so ever. I am gratefull for all the assistance that they have given over the years to the Tc, but 38 years has passed and we no longer in need of the vast amount (40,000 disputed by some) armed forces.



We have an eleceted goverment who we the people have chosen and should be left up to the Tc not Turkey to impose what is agreeable and what is not.



I hate the fact that it is being pushed down our throats, refering to Turkey as Motherland, my motherland is Cyprus united or not, this is Cyprus and I am Cypriot, If people want Turkey as their motherland,they are free to go and live in their mother Turkey.



I have a flag, I have a goverment, I have my own Identity Cyprus be it TRNC ot Republic of Cyprus that is my motherland. Money only buys a stepmother

brother



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Message Posted:
24/11/2011 23:44

msg 100. "The E.U. would prevent another war and would probably make sure" paints a certain picture.



However sometimes some pictures look a bit wrong and there is a fundamental flaw that quickly becomes obvious.

I wonder if you can offer the forum your critical analysis of this picture.

brother



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Posts: 446

Message Posted:
25/11/2011 00:07

msg. 116: Thank you. I can see your argument more clearly now.



In many ways the reason for Turkey to get involved in Cyprus was a tragedy. What your group is upset about is indeed a valid complaint. However it does look as if your proposal is for an "instant" solution which assumes quite a bit.



Let's assume for the purposes of discussion that Turkey withdrew its military and removed its involvement from the TC administration. Would you let the forum know how you see things progressing after that?