Former Cyprus President Papadopoulos has lung cancer

Navek



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 21:12

BREAKING NEWS 01.DEC.08



It has been announced that the former President of Cyprus Tassos Papadopoulos has lung cancer. He has been in hospital for the past few weeks and will remain in the Intensive Care Unit of Nicosia General Hospital.



Theodoros Kyprianou, the head of Nicosia General Hospital's intensive care unit said that cancer was detected on Papadopoulos’ lungs after examinations by specialists.



"Mr Papadopoulos is aware of the diagnosis and is treating the whole problem of his health with courage and serenity," said Mr Kyprianou.



As president between 2003-08, Papadopoulos ushered the island into the European Union after rallying Greek Cypriots to reject a UN-brokered reunification plan.

- Copyright © Famagusta Gazette 2008

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 22:59

Tassos Papadopoulos, elected last night as Cyprus's fifth president, is a clever lawyer but a controversial figure who inherits the unenviable task of negotiating United Nations plans to unite the divided island before it enters the EU.

The 69-year-old conservative is a hardliner who has rejected all previous UN attempts to reunify Cyprus. In the 70s, and again in the 80s when the then UN secretary general, Boutros Boutros-Ghali, produced his "set of ideas" - the nearest Greek and Turkish Cypriots had ever got to reconciliation - Mr Papadopoulos came down firmly on the side of the rejectionists.



His friends are now counting on him to keep it that way, while his foes - a not inconsiderable number - are hoping that as head of state he will finally see the light.



cont....

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:01

A prominent member of Eoka, the guerrilla group that campaigned in the 50s against British rule for union with Greece, the UK-trained barrister has rarely tried to dispel his reputation as a diehard nationalist. In the early 60s he was second in command of the Akritas organisation, whose avowed aim was to rid the island of Turkish Cypriots - a goal that ignited much intercommunal fighting and eventually led to the Turkish invasion in 1974.



In the 90s, as Greeks supported the Serbs during the Balkan wars, his law firm was alleged to have set up companies through which the Milosevic regime is believed to have circumvented the UN embargo and channelled funds for its armed forces. His alleged involvement in such activities got him blacklisted from parties and receptions at western embassies.



cont...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:03

In recent months he has gone out of his way to pledge support for the Turkish Cypriots, even appealing to them to "participate in the happiness and welfare of a united Europe", as he cast his ballot yesterday.



But as a consummate political animal Mr Papadopoulos knows when to move with the times. Campaigning for the presidency, he ran unabashedly on a ticket of "change". Backed by Cyprus's powerful communist party, Akel, which has long supported reconciliation, the wealthy rightwinger promised he could reach a settlement because "times had changed".



The veteran Turkish Cypriot leader, Rauf Denktash, has already said he cannot do business with Mr Papadopoulos because of his "Turk-bashing", hardline past. But ultimately there can be little doubt that he will sit down with the new Greek Cypriot president because Ankara has made it plain that it wants negotiations to continue.



cont...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:04

Some western diplomats point out that with age Mr Papadopoulos has not only mellowed but may well be the man to make the sort of compromises Greek Cypriots will accept in a referendum needed to clinch any solution.



The Guardian



What a lovely man he is....

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:31

Grouch

A bit out of order posting his epitaph now.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:39

I wrote an obituary of Nicos Sampson, who I had the dubious pleasure of meeting. These people should be remembered for what they did in Cyprus.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:42

The really relevant bit is



"In the early 60s he was second in command of the Akritas organisation, whose avowed aim was to rid the island of Turkish Cypriots - a goal that ignited much intercommunal fighting and eventually led to the Turkish invasion in 1974."



And of course Pike you are right - this fact should not be forgotten...what he helped to do for Cyprus was to drive a wedge between its peoples...

w26kay



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:46

A fitting end to his life then!



Hopefully soon to be reunited with his barbaric comrades.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:49

Grouch,



Let's do justice to history and point out that a certain R Denktas and associated Turkish-controlled terrorists was attempting exactly the same thing in a bid for partition of Cyprus from the 1950s. Both sides share the blame.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
01/12/2008 23:56

PP - Don't give me that rubbish.



The difference being that:



The TC were fighting for their lives.



The GC's were fighting to eradicate Cyprus from TC's and to claim ALL of the land for themselves.



Lives/Land - hmmm no contest really!

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:03

Kay,



"There was an explosion at the information bureau of the Turkish Consulate. A crowd had already gathered there, a crowd of the Turkish Cypriot community. And they almost immediately decided that Greeks had done it and they were swearing vengeance against the Greeks and so on." "The explosion started a night of riots in Nicosia. Turkish Cypriots burned and looted Greek shops and homes. Soon came counter-attacks and the fighting spread round the island. Later on, a friend of mine, whose name must still be kept secret, was to confess to me that he had put this little bomb in their doorway in order to create an atmosphere of tension so that people would know that Turkish Cypriots mattered."



The climax of the "holy indignation" which Ambassador Dirvana refers to, was the massacre of eight Greek Cypriots and the serious wounding of five, near the village of Geunyeli on 12th June 1958, five days after the explosion."



http://www.middleeastinfo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=7947

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:08

Kay, the above is what Denktas told ITV. Don't be misled into thinking it was always the GC's fault. I don't call a deliberate attempt to frame the GCs for a TC bombing, sparking off of intercommunal fighting that left many dead, "fighting for their lives".



TMT were a Turkish-controlled fascist terror group just as EOKA was a Greek-controlled fascist terror group. You'd have thought they would have found plenty in common.



Don't fall for Turkish propaganda.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:16

PP Believe me I have read a lot on both sides, and believe only what I want to believe. I am no fool, and do not believe any propaganda my friend.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:38

Pike,



Even you have to admit that in the propaganda war ROC and Greece have punched above their weight...



It is no coincidence that this ability to put their version of events, which I truly believe to be as far from the truth as is possible, has been aided and abetted by the fact that the "West" would not and could not let itself side with an Islamic country...



It is a credit to those soldiers who could not and would not stand by and watch the slaughter that they helped to arm some of the poor Turksish Cypriots upon whom this reign of terror was being perpetrated. They faced Courts Marshal for their trouble but their consiences were clear that they had done the right thing.



That the West has allowed this wool to be pulled over the collective consiousness of the free thinking world does not serve anybody well least of all the Greek Cypriots who are now faced with the awful truth that they have been spinning all along...



Cont....

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 07:40

In the face on this widespread amnesia it is little wonder that the TRNC and Turkey's version of the "truth" have also become somewhat polarised..



They must think the whole world is against them... but I also believe they will prevail.

petlovers


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 10:22

how many people lost there lives because of him.....

TRNCVaughan


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 15:25

Looks like he might be called to account by his maker, for his past transgressions, sooner than he no doubt thought.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 17:55

Groucho: "Pike, Even you have to admit that in the propaganda war ROC and Greece have punched above their weight."



Of course they have - because they have international law on their side. And they are smarter and more competent these days.



Groucho:"...aided and abetted by the fact that the "West" would not and could not let itself side with an Islamic country."



Nonsense. Turkey is secular to the core and locks up/forces out of power anyone percieved to be too Islamic. Playing the Muslim card is nothing but an excuse for Turkey's human rights record and occupation of Cyprus, which has been rightly condemned by the international community.



Groucho: "It is a credit to those soldiers who could not and would not stand by and watch the slaughter that they helped to arm some of the poor Turksish Cypriots upon whom this reign of terror was being perpetrated."



You've lost me here. Which soldiers do you mean?

gibson335


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 18:58

Personally I hope Papadopoulos rots in hell and the sooner the better as he and his cohorts are responsible for causing untold misery, death and the division of this Island







PN . Part of you post is being deleted due your insulting personal post toward this person ---- moderator

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 20:29

Pike,



Several soldiers, one of whom I had the pleasure to meet at a reception were court martialled for allowing Turkish Cypriots to obtain weapons to defend themselves... as they had little or no means to do so up to that point.



I'm sorry I can't be more specific as I forgot to write down his name... I'm sure you could find out if you investigate... your forte.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 22:03

MODERATORS - Msg 20, please. A repeat offender.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 22:08

Grouch,



I still don't know which soldiers you mean. Were they British? Anyone who intervenes as a neutral in armed conflict by supplying weapons to one side or the other certainly deserves to be court martialled. If the soldiers were ours I hope they were jailed and discharged in disgrace for putting the lives and safety of their comrades at risk.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 22:19

gibson335, you have an e-mail.

AJ

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 22:22

I do believe he was a Swede by birth... the nationality of the others I don't know.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 22:23

John

Message 22 "a repeat offender", you are sailing a bit close to the wind yourself.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:10

AJ,



I doubt it - I don't need to resort to personal abuse. Anyway, I wont detain you in your duties.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:17

Groucho,



The Swede was a turnip if he did something as appalling as taking sides and arming factions when he was supposed to be a neutral peacekeeper. He was clearly compromising the integrity of whole mission and putting lives at risk. I hope he was put under close arrest, locked up and taken off the island, as I suspect he was.



"Several soldiers, one of whom I had the pleasure to meet at a reception were court martialled..."



Well, you know what they say about judging a man by the company he keeps.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:24

John

Refresh your knowledge of the rules of posting, that is if you have read them anyway. Specifically 'Be Polite', 'Freedom of Speech' (relating to 'questioning the legality of the TRNC') and more importantly 'Keep The Focus'.

Now as an intelligent person I am sure that you can understand these very basic rules and apply them to your own postings. But there again I do not hold out much hope.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:25

AJ,



You should never stop hoping.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:32

So Pike, by your own admission, you would have sat back and watched them be terrorised and shot with no way to defend themselves... I think that says a lot about you old chum....



At least the "turnip" had a conscience....

Lemtich



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:49

Guys lets chill.



Armchair warriors appear to have replaced their armchairs with computer swivel chairs these days.



Lem

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 23:50

Please mods... we don't need a referee in every discussion.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 00:03

Grouch here we go again.

Just let go of this mod thing. You never know you might be able to sleep better at night.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 00:14

AJ



I sleep well enough thank you for your misplaced concern...



We don't need people trying to pour oil on the water in every thread... it's going to get really sickening if that is what's going to happen. You don't need to feel obliged to react.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 00:46

Grouch

Interesting change of tact you have taken. I will ask you a question, you are an outspoken critic of the way that the mods are operating. I am a great believer in indulging in rational discussions with people that feel the need to transgress the BB rules.

And I believe in doing that openly on this forum, and after all it is discussion rather than moderation. So tell me what you think is right for me as a moderator to do?

w26kay



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 01:29

AJ - As always your input IMHO is valuable, so disregard the "Mod" status for the moment and just be yourself please?



Groucho as much as I support you on your "Mod" quest, AJ does not always have to have his "Mod" hat on. Let him just voice his opinion, which undoubtedly will not have changed even in his newly elevated status.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 08:04

AJ,



I'm just observing that we don't need mods (or anyone else for that matter) interjecting in every thread telling people to calm down... which is a trend I'm starting to spot with the plethora of mods now in place... at least one or either of you is now coming into the threads not with a new point of view to express but merely with some pleading for peace...



It's going to become very tiresome if each thread is stretched out in this fashion.... I don't think most of the new moderator's pre-mod status posts would have been in this mold.



My point is that we don't want this board to become a lovey-dovey, happy clappy board as they already exist... I think a lot of people avoid them and come to this board for a lot more than sugary self-congratulation..



They want banter, information and passionate debate with both sides discussed using logic and intelligence... yes they do get heated at times but at least they are heart-felt.



I also find this pleading patronising.

gibson335


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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 10:35

As the (UNST)ABLE SEAMAN in his little boy sailor suit comes up with such rubbish and continually harangues both the TRNC and it's supporters, most of whom are building a new life here, I do not think he should be protected by Moderators. Whilst my posts have obviously rankled him he should be prepared for this or leave. As the saying goes "if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen". I have not used bad language once and feel (UNST)ABLE SEAMAN is allowed way too much leeway in his attacks on other people but like his GC chums bleats about anybody attacking him. Yet another thing they have in common.



Moderaters let's have some fairness here not double standards!





PS .You are still making personal comments , will delete without warning from now on

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 13:13

Groucho: "They want banter, information and passionate debate with both sides discussed using logic and intelligence... yes they do get heated at times but at least they are heart-felt."



I agree totally. We don't want to be associated with L Ron Gary's happy and docile little band.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 13:30

Groucho: "So Pike, by your own admission, you would have sat back and watched them be terrorised and shot with no way to defend themselves..."



Now this is the problem with being selective in information. You provided scant details of the incident in question, other than to concede a Swedish peacekeeper was court martialled for providing weapons to individuals representing one side in a two-sided conflict.



There are various procedures to follow when lives are threatened while under UN mandate, and none of them include becoming an arms dealer to one or other side. What would the Greeks have made of it if they had found out? How much longer would the UNFICYP force have been on the island after that incident was exposed in the full glare of the media? The guy was court martialled - by the liberal Swedes - for his disgraceful crime.



I sincerely hope the reception you met this guy at wasn't some affair where mainland Turkish generals were kissing the behinds of the usual crawlers.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 13:37

gibson335 Msg 40,



If you have a point to make then make it. There's nothing in your snippet above that's relevant to this debate, rather you are just having a pop at me - which is against our rules.



This is a personal comment which should earn you another warning:



"As the (UNST)ABLE SEAMAN in his little boy sailor suit comes up with such rubbish..."



Mods...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 15:01

Pike



The man in question I am led to believe was ordered to leave the Turks to their fate by the UN...



That he chose not to do so as he could see what was going to happen is to his credit...



In miltary terms yes he disobeyed a direct order and chose to do so for the best possible motives... not those of the blind following of patently inhuman injustice but of compassion for the plight of innocent and unarmed civilians facing slaughter...



You think this was wrong of him...



I think he was a true man of conscience and a real hero.... I wish that given those circumstances I would have been brave enough to do likewise.



Let me ask you a theoretical question...



You come across an unarmed man in the street about to be set upon by thugs with baseball bats... You see a stick at your feet... do you toss it to him?



Or do you do what you are told by the men with baseball bats... and walk away?

gibson335


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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 16:08

POST DELETED AFTER NUMEROUS WARNINGS --- MODERATOR

bootneck



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 16:53

From reading all messages i have learnt a lot more regarding the troubles but no matter what anyone says there is and will always be two sides to every story.

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 17:20

Gibson335

Whilst I don't often agree with what Pte Pike is saying, I would always defend his right to say it. He isnt being protected by the moderators, he sails a bit close to the wind sometimes but he represents an alternative theory to the majority. So what - this isnt a crime on this site as far as I know. Being contentious isnt being rude or impolite like macalooney or whatever his name was.

If you dont agree with him then come up with a structured comment which can be reasonably backed up. Don't chuck your toys out of the pram and expect him to be removed because you dont like what he says.

gibson335


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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:14

msg 48



I have never asked for him to be chucked out of the Forum. so where do you get that from? I would re-iterate that as he constantly rubbishes TRNC and most other peoples views he should expect to be shot at(no pun intended). He has his views ,I have mine yet he doesn't like mine and bleats to the Moderators rather than stand up for himself. I do make structured comments like asking for evidence of his absurd claims. I am yet to see any!!!!!

gibson335


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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:16

msg 46



As should you and boy in the sailor suit. Never seen you provide one fact. Wake me up when you do

Lincsman



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Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:19

to Pte Pike regarding honest debate. I do think you have got most people on this forum wrong, you intimate that they support the TC position for the sole purpose of holding on to their ill gotten property gains. A lot of the people who debate against you do so because you do not seem to have a sense of balance. I think most people on this BB have not just read the TC side, they have taken the trouble to gain opinions and facts from both sides. Remember in any unresolved situation there are 3 versions, only 1 of them being the truth.

gibson335


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 09:37

Succinctly put Lincsman. Unfortunately I feelyour comments will fall on deaf ears!!!!

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 11:41

gibson 335

Then what are you suggesting the moderators are protecting him from?



Lincsman

well said.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 13:48

Lincsman: "I think most people on this BB have not just read the TC side, they have taken the trouble to gain opinions and facts from both sides."



With the greatest of respect, I disagree strongly with you on this point. Most of the evidence is to the contrary, as the quality and content of so many postings testify. Levels of ignorance are huge.



Not long ago one of our TC members pointed out the Turkish invasion and continued occupation of Cyprus had been for the benefit of Turkey, not the Turkish Cypriots. A well-known "loyalist" expat member replied to the effect that he'd never realised that. Those of us who've been pointing out this reality for years find it hard to understand how obtuse some people really are.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 14:54

msge 54



If your comments are refering to me, which I think they are, then let me just clarify what I did actually say.



I said, that I didn't know, that there were no documented accounts of any TC's being killed on the island from 67 to 74. This did surprise me, however, I stated that it seems that the TC's still lived under harsh and austere conditions during that period. The TC you mentioned was given the opportunity to dispute my claim, but did not do so, presumably because their is truth in my assertion.



Turkey may well have invaded, primarily to satisfy it's own needs, however, I am not fully convinced on this matter. It is possible to achieve both primary and secondary needs in any endeavour.



Your points have validity, they mirror the views of most of the GC's and they correlate favourably with the minority TC view, however, your views are out of step with the vast majority of TC's who are happy with Turkish institutions such as the army and police.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 16:20

ILC Msg 55,



The difficulty with saying the "vast majority" of TCs are happy with Turkish police and army is independent verification. How do you know that to be true? What we do have are TC members living in Cyprus questioning the Turkish view of events, and extreme nationalist TCs in the UK supporting Ankara without question. I know which grouping I would identify with.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 16:39

Groucho msg44: "You come across an unarmed man in the street about to be set upon by thugs with baseball bats... You see a stick at your feet... do you toss it to him? Or do you do what you are told by the men with baseball bats... and walk away?"



Again, you can't compare an incident involving two countries at war and a mandated UN peacekeeping force with a street attack. The peacekeeper was prosecuted and presumably convicted of a serious crime involving the breaching of his own neutrality by supplying weapons to one side.



As for your example of the bloke about to be beaten up, as a passerby I would be a free agent to assist or ignore. Nobody could accuse me of any crime either way. Obviously I'd help if I could, but not by pushing a weapon his way. Better to play for time by attempting reason and intervention, and failing that summoning urgent assistance and providing expert witness testimony. Pretty much the same as a peacekeeper should do, funnily enough.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 16:51

msge 56



I have supplied information from an independent source. You know where to reference this. I choose this source as my reference because it enables us to see a broader and magnified picture, not the dimly focused and fragmented view which comes from people drawing from simplified references, often just someones word of mouth, simple hearsay or even worse their own prejudices. If you can adequately discredit this source or indeed provide a better one then I will abandon it. Not until that moment.



You are right, some TC's are questioning events and so are some GC's.



The real question for me is Do the TC's want to allign with the GC's or Turkey?

As it presently stands, again from my independent source, TC's as a whole are mistrustful of the GC's but they share the space with these people.



I would like the TC's to be offered a third choice which is to be given the chance to rule themselves, being free and independent of both Turkey and the GC's.

breezyboy


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 18:01

ILC

I agree with your suggestion of Turkish Cypriots running the country without outside help. Only question is are they capable of this, particularly financially?

The population being similar to a medium sized town or small city in the UK has a big problem generating sufficient money to be viable. The number of people involved in governing this country is out of proportion to their GDP. ( I have no idea how much this is but it doesnt take Einstein to figure it out!) So who helps them with this. Do they wait for EEC membership or wait for the growth they will get by being accepted by the rest of the world? Either way it is chicken and egg syndrome.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 18:05

ilc,



Can you take me to that source with a link. I know it exists, but I can't work out how they got their data as there's an international convention not to accept any figures from the TRNC.

gibson335


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 18:19

msg60



probably proposed by the G.C.'s



msg53



And it is apparent that you have only read one side of the issue as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 18:46

msge 59



It's a very valid point you make breezyboy. It may not be possible for them to make it on their own.



They would need a very significant cash injection (or more likley to be fed on an intravenous drip for a very significant period) as well as bucket loads of support and expertise. They would also need to considerably tighten up their legislation (a significant under statement), be able trade freely with Turkey and the GC's (without limitations or prejudice) as well as the rest of Europe.



Thery would need to learn to stand on their own two feet, to learn to be autonomous (this has been denied to them for so long) They would need to eploit their existing assets - tourism, universities and foreign investors.



Who knows? If they wanted it, it could just happen, even though it's a long shot.

littlenige



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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 18:54

The anticipated demise of a war criminal will be welcomed by many perhaps things will move forward soon.

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 19:12

msge 60



I have given the link to you before. Why don't you buy the data. It's easy to purchase from their site. They will send it to you, including the research methodology.



The research was conducted simultaneously in both the South and North, with both communities blessing.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
04/12/2008 19:41

Message 57



Somehow I knew you didn't have it in you....

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 19:52

Message 63,

I personally would not wish that long and painful death on anyone, whatever has happened in the past.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 20:47

Groucho msg 65,



You know you're just using emotions for effect. What's the point in me making a reasoned reply if you can't counter it?



The UNFICYP peacekeeping force in Cyprus is the longest and most successful mission in the history of the United Nations and has undoubtedly saved countless lives from both communities during the Cyprus conflict. If one individual compromises the integrity of the mission - especially by handing out weapons to one side - he puts at risk not only every other UN soldier but also the Cypriots they are supposed to be protecting from further bloodshed. No system is ever perfect and you can take it from me I know at first hand the complexities of UN command and control as it relates to national contingents, but I believe in standing up for what is right and good.



http://www.unficyp.org/nqcontent.cfm?a_id=1489&tt=graphic&lang=l1

BigBen


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 150

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 21:28

The UNFICYP peacekeepers prevented (to same extent) the Eoka Terorist (Tasos Papadopulas was one of them) from killing Turkish Cypriot.

To same extent they have prevented the Greeks killing each other in 1974.

However, the killings has stopt after the Turkish peacekeepers arrival on the 20th July 1974.

As to Papadopoulos current ilness, I personally wish that he keeps his soul for a very long time, the longer he lives, the longer he will suffer for the murders he has commited.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 21:35

Sorry mate, you don't get me that easy...



Following orders is what some very unsavoury characters have claimed as justification for not doing what their consciences should have told them to do in the past...



I have already told you that this man was ordered by the UN to walk away and leave these villagers to their fate with no weapons to defend themselves... The UN knew the Greek irregulars were armed and were coming for the men of the village but their command structure of which you are so proud ordered them to vacate not to stay and keep the peace...



He had no axe to grind no financial interest in taking any sides and did what he thought his conscience told him he must do... and took this action at great personal risk.



If you think this is "just using emotions for effect", this says more about you than it does the man in question....

Lincsman



Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 14:25

Pte Pike re Message 54



With the greatest of respect, I disagree strongly with you on this point. Most of the evidence is to the contrary, as the quality and content of so many postings testify. Levels of ignorance are huge.



I still disagree with you, debating with lack of research or knowledge does not automatically mean that the people involved have an "ulterior motive" regarding their acquisition of property, which is the brush you tarnish them with.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 16:22

Lincsman



I agree with you totally but certain little people seem quite content to make broad, sweeping illogical statements with no basis of fact behind them whatsoever, merely serving to show how obtuse they themselves really are and trying to turn every point into supposed political machinations.

Lincsman



Joined: 02/04/2008
Posts: 117

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 16:50

gibson 335,



Thanks for your support, but to be fair Pte Pike (if that is who you are referring too) is always well researched and is knowledgeable about issues Cyprus. Whilst I don't agree with a lot of his opinions I do respect his right to express them.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 18:35

Lincsman



Now what made you think I was referring to him??????????????



Disagree he's knowledgable and well researched and that is the main problem as you don't get a balanced viewpoint. Like you say though he has the right to express his views as do we all!!!!!!

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 19:39

Hatikins



Message 66 Well said.



Harold

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 23:07

Lincsman,



I know what you're saying, but so many of them are thoroughly unpleasant individuals. I don't mind the up-front and more affable ones despite the decisions they made, because at least they are honest about what they did and how they would face the consequences. Just ordinary people at the end of the day. But thuggery in any form I don't stand.

Arthur


Joined: 04/11/2008
Posts: 687

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 23:09

I'm not against people expressing their opinions, and most who post have a pretty entrenched view, whatever is said will not alter their opinions or even accept that there are rights and wrongs on both sides. I've repeatedly said that a balanced and informed view needs to be taken.

Equally it has to be said that there are those whose postings are perhaps deliberately made just to wind up other correspondents.

At times guys, it's getting a bit like a pantomime. "oh no it isn't- oh yes it is!!"



Healthy debate is fine, but much of the postings are saying the same things. We should all hope that a sensible and practical solution to the Cyprus problem can be found that recognises the rights of all- and achieves a compromise acceptable to all parties.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 23:13

Groucho,



This criminal ex-soldier who brought shame on the UN. If he was such a moral individual how come he turns up at receptions where Turkish generals kiss his bahookie? Next he'll be getting a stolen Greek house as a prize for services rendered, just like certain unsavoury politicians from Northern Ireland....

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 23:32

Local TV channel Kibris TV earlier announced that Tassos Papadopoulos passed away at 18:35 local time..

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
05/12/2008 23:57

Pike



You have no idea what the reception was or who attended so how do you justify saying " If he was such a moral individual how come he turns up at receptions where Turkish generals kiss his bahookie?"



There were, to my knowledge, no Turkish military at the reception and nobody kissed his bahookie.. You are sometimes beyond redemption... and no I'm not going to enlighten you as to the nature of the event as you'd only misuse the information as you do with much of what you already have... by being very selective in the version of the "truth" to which you will admit...



Anyway now that Papaduplicitous is no longer with us perhaps a little more of the truth will out... I'm sure his involvement in things past has led to the suppression of all sorts of relevant information that ought to have been in the public arena...

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 01:24

he has died has he





he didn,t suffer very long did he





musin

long live the kktc

gardenmaker


Joined: 01/09/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 08:12

shame it was so quick another 30 years of SUFFERING would have been fairer

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 09:08

THE ABLE SEAMAN



Nice to see you still have your "balanced view" of Cyprus.



Hilariously funny. How's the job prospects as a stand up comic coming along as I feel you should share your hilarity with a much wider audience than you have on here



msg 80/81



Couldn't agree more

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 09:57

Sorry to dissapoint you all but looks like Kıbris TV was wrong...there has been no official announcement by ROC officials yet to confirm death of Tassos Papadopoulos and some sources say he is in a very critical state and Dimitris Christofias will be paying him a visit at the hospital at 10:00am.

gardenmaker


Joined: 01/09/2008
Posts: 170

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 10:58

MAYB ITS CATCHING LOL

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 11:54

Cyprus ex-president Papadopoulos dies



Category: Humans in the News



Summary: Former President of the Republic of Cyprus Tassos Papadopoulos died of lung cancer on Friday in Nicosia General Hospital, where he was receiving treatment.



Date: 5 December 2008



IHLAS also report his death... is this not a bit like a Russian President dying?

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 12:38

message,s 80/81 what deplorable comments to make about another human being , you should hang you head in shame

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 12:42

msg86



What like he hung his head in shame over all the deaths and suffering he inflicted



I don't think so!!!!!!!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 12:47

Gooner



I think you credit Tassos Papadopoulos with a status many don't think he demonstrated in life...



That he chose to be leading light in an organisation whose stated aim was the genocide of Turkish Cypriots is I think what some people have problem with...



Even the IRA/Sinn Fein never drew up plans for the extermination of NI Protestants...



You will understand how many T/Cs don't feel much sympathy with a man who has presided, for much of the last 45 years, over their misery... social and economic...



He'll still be somebody's hero no matter how unconstructive his life was...



I would not wish a painful death on anyone...

goonerstan



Joined: 14/04/2008
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 13:54

message87/88 so that makes it right then, two wrongs , groucho i dont give any status, to the said papadopoulos, but his status as a fellow human does not ,in my opinion , deserve those comments

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 14:03

Groucho,



If you are in possession of the facts yet refuse to disclose them, a jury would be entitled to make the same inferences as I have. You may have something to hide. Don't you think perhaps events and people in your past have given you a colonial mentality which means you align yourself with the ruling Turks but not the subordinate Turkish Cypriots? Because I reckon the majority of expats lean that way and don't even know it. But, Heavens to Betsy, you're supposed to be one of the brighter ones.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 14:10

Goonerstan,



Well said. We will all answer to something or someone one day, and those who rejoice in anyone's death will IMO be at the front of the queue for a future of nasty things. Which is a comfort of sorts, as the usual suspects carry that aura already.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 14:13

Message 90

Blimey John, what do you put on your cornflakes in the morning. That posting was a complete and utter pile of tosh.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 14:17

AJ,



I think your problem is you don't know the subject being discussed and therefore don't know the context. Anyway, I won't detain you from your obligations elsewhere.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 14:59

Pike,



No they wouldn't... as I am not on trial. You can jump to whatever incorrect conclusions you want I don't really give a hoot... You could always investigate.



Or sit in the back of court room and wait for the info to come to you...



Gooner...



I did say I would not wish a painful death on anyone as I abhor suffering especially when it is inflicted by others as a deliberate act. Something this 'man' was proud to be involved with... he made no secret of his culpability in EOKA terrorism and their murderous actions against British Servicemen as he thought it added to his credibility with GC hardliners...



I was pointing out that some people this side of the line won't be losing much sleep over his passing...so please don't go all 'holier than thou' and confuse me with them, I would however have expected that even you could empathise with their ambivalence...

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 18:54

msg90/91



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Sorry you made me nod off yet again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
06/12/2008 20:10

stan



don,t rush to judge .



deplorable comments ,hardly however a deplorable human being .



musin

long live the kktc