The Power of the Press

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:18

Are Newspapers too powerful?

The Sun Newspaper obtained over One Million signatures for the purpose of bringing to account the social workers who were associated with Baby P. As a result 4 social workers lost their jobs today.

Would they have lost their jobs if the Sun had not instigated this petition?

arrry



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Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:26

More importantly SHOULD THEY NOT HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS !!!

w26kay



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:26

Yes. They were found to be negligent so it's immaterial anyway whether there was a petition or not.



Spot inspections now on all Local Authorities. It's about time.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:27

very debatable.



Newspapers and media in general seem to define what is the moral high ground. Do they have the right to do this. No., but they certainly have the power and influence.

And ,of course, a good morality based story sells newspapers. A readers poll and an on going collection of signatures serves to keep the story going and revenue comming.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:29

AND they are just 1 (or 3 actually) of hundreds of thousands who have, are about to, or will be in the future WHO haven't done anything wrong, or as wrong as be so negligent as to let a child die, when it was wholly preventable.

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:39

Question is "Are newspapers too powerfull"

Already 3 posts that address morality. This thread could soon degenerate into the likes of the gutter "hang em high" gutter press.



Get ALL the facts before you pass judgment.

w26kay



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 00:46

Who's addressing morality?

w26kay



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 01:28

It's culpability/Negligence/Abrogating one's duties.

arrry



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 01:34

Well said Kay



Couldn't have put it better myself !!



Bo@&$ llocks to the newspapers these people are paid GOOD money to spot these things .

w26kay



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 02:50

WAZ 24-7 said "Get ALL the facts before you pass judgment."



Isn't it a FACT that a baby died whilst Social Workers and their hieracy did nothing? Seems pretty factual to me.

arrry



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Posts: 1235

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 03:04

Warren



Where are you ?



When will ALL the facts be presented ??



Do we wait for ever ??



Are you a social worker ???



Don't hide Warren show yourself !!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 08:12

RE No1Doyen, msg 1 : (...) Are Newspapers too powerful? The Sun Newspaper obtained over One Million signatures for the purpose of bringing to account etc (...)



===> Aren't it always the same kind of newspapers (everywhere in the Western world) polling their readers? I'd say don't blame the newspaper for knowing how their readers think and what they want - blame the low level and the sad state of mind of the readers. Lynch mentality it's called, I think.

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 08:16

Dutch - my old mucker...



"===> Aren't it always the same kind of newspapers"



You will wish to put this bit of mangling behind you.... ;¬)

fire starter


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 11:01

in the uk i always read the independent.

they report the new and only the new, well they use to anyway.

i don't think what posh and becks did last week is news worth reporting so to speak.

keithcaley



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Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 11:14

Groucho,

Oh the peculiarities of the English language...

I think that DC's error was looking at 'kind of newspapers' and thinking "Aha! - third person plural ='are'..."

That really is the sort of trap that any non-native speaker would be prone to falliing in (He says, ending a statement with a preposition).

Or would he only be prone after he fell in the trap?

Keep taking the tablets,

Keith.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 11:44

RE msg 15, keithcaley : (...) I think that DC's error was looking at 'kind of newspapers' and thinking "Aha! - third person plural ='are'..." That really is the sort of trap that any non-native speaker would be prone to falliing in etc (...)



===> Stupid me, Groucho! The same rule applies in Dutch: "kind of newspapers" ("soort kranten") - never, not ever third person plural. If it wouldn't please so many people I'd commit suicide...

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 14:26

Dutch.



I can see you are a man of honour.. please don't fall on your own sword on my account...



I was, of course, amiss in not pointing out that your effort contravened a mere one of our quaint grammatical rules whereas vast hordes of the posters on this BB can manage to commit ten fouls in a sentence and not get a red card...



Mind you of late some of the sentences are more like novels.



What is the world coming to? I'll tell you what... a sticky end... a sticky end I say, a sticky end so will it be.... sounds quite uncomfortable does it not?

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 15:12

Is a sticky end when you've sat on some chewing gum Groucho?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 15:16

Newspapers too powerful?



You lot will have Gutenberg and Caxton turning in their graves!



My life has been dependant on newspapers.



In the early 50's, how else could I have made my Papier Mache 'Muffin the Mule'?



How would my parents have 'laid' the fire, or started a bonfire? In the 60's we didn't have luxuries like 'Kitchen Roll', our cress was seeded on the windowcill on damp newspaper!

Though it was a funny colour if you used the Financial Times!



In the 70's I bought a 'rolling Machine' to turn them into fire logs for the stove.



What has ever been better for wrapping 'Fish & Chips'??



Butlers and Hotels have been using them for centuries for cleaning glass, no need for chemicals or sprays, very eco friendly!



Nowadays newspapers are recycled as packaging for many products. The 'Metro' is especially useful for covering your stained seat on the Underground.



Treat your newspapers with respect!



But don't bother reading them first.





Rob

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 15:44

They are useful for the bottom of the parrot's cage too....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 15:47

And for making a 'Millwall Brick'

Groucho



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 15:47

Actually the other day I put several layers in the cage with Prince Charles's face in prime position but do you know what?



Not a single dropping hit the target! I ask you, Royalist parrot... whatever next?

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 16:24

Sharon Shoesmith, Director of Children's services said that she didn't think a review of Baby P's death would be " beneficial".

For that one ludicrous statement she should be fired and not at home continuing to draw her £100k salary.

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 16:27

breezyboy. She's not at home, she's at her Lawyers office planning her case for unfair dismissal.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 17:37

DutchCrusader: "...always the same kind of newspapers (everywhere in the Western world) polling their readers? I'd say don't blame the newspaper for knowing how their readers think and what they want - blame the low level and the sad state of mind of the readers. Lynch mentality it's called, I think."



I agree. Comics for morons, some would say. But with so many stupid people out there you can't blame the publishers and advertisers for exploiting them. So many of the TRNC property adverts have been in tabloids for that very reason.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 17:43

You're right No.1 and no doubt will be using in her favour the fact that in their last Ofsted report the rating for Haringey was 'Good' !!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 18:51

jimmy, perhaps there should have been a 'No' in front of the good

arrry



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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 18:55

N1Doyen msg 21



Come on then what's a Millwall brick



like the ones they take to the New Den !!

Graham


Joined: 20/10/2007
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 19:06

Just to keep the debate going do her family deserve this.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/dec/02/child-protection-sharon-shoesmith



Graham

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
02/12/2008 19:11

A Millwall brick was a rolled up newspaper and then folded in half. I understand that if you hit someone with it, it was like being hit by a brick. I suppose they could carry it into a football ground easily as no one would have thought that it was a 'weapon'

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
02/12/2008 19:34

Breezy,



I see you are now sporting the same avatar that used to be mine... please tell me you are not me... oh that won't work i'd never believe myself... oh help..



Please don't nick my current one... you'll only come in for a lot of abuse..



I did love the old picture, entitled "Sorry" ... and was sad to see it go but I felt I'd got the poor doggie enough kickings and took pity on him...