brits pay cypriots dont

petlovers


Joined: 30/10/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:40

turkish cypriots can go to the uk and stay without paying a yearly visa like we do.i suppose thay can work as well without a permit,so why do we need all these things if thay dont!

Hot Hornet


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 343

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 18:49

but do you have to visit a Turkish Cypriot embassy in Britain to be able to leave your country to visit North Cyprus? No

Did you know that if a Turkish Cypriot, that rightly decides not to get a Greek Cyprus Repubilc passport ( and there are many that do), they have to visit the British High Commission in their own country here in North Cyprus, just to have the right to leave their own country and visit the UK? Do you think that is fair to have attend an interview to justify why they want to visit the UK?

We have it lucky as EU citizens.

Thankfully in the UK its much harder to earn money without joining the tax system, but guess it does happen now and again, due to unscrupulous british employers. ummm none of those here are there?!

Teresa


Joined: 21/11/2007
Posts: 1018

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 19:47

Petlovers let me explain the procedure for a Turkish Cypriot to visit the UK.

They have to get up very early in the morning and go the the visa office to collect the application forms. Once filled in it is another very early morning to get in line in the hope they will get seen. As well as the filled in form they also have to supply details of where they will be staying and provide bank statements to prove that who they are staying with can afford to keep them.

They also have to pay for their application in Euros. If they are lucky and it does not happen much they might get their interview that same day, if not they are simply told to come back.

It is a long drawn out procudure, not as easy as you imagine and no they cant work without a permit. If they are caught working they are deported back to their country of origin.

If i remember right the visa office is now only open 2 mornings a week so do they have it easy???? i dont think so

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 19:53

Hot Hornet

There is no such thing as a Greek Cyprus Republic....

It's called Republic of Cyprus!!!

Hot Hornet


Joined: 03/06/2008
Posts: 343

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 18:54

Iceman

I know I was just saying it like that because this petlovers person would probably not know that the Cyprus Republic meant the Greek part!

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 19:08

hot hornet,



i do agree, you are right so many think cyprus is greek cypriot - in france when we mention cyprus most people say - is it a greek island ? so we explain, and explain agan, never enough !

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 19:59

suzanne,



i explain that cyprus is part of turkish cypriots because when they say that cyprus is greek it means that no turkish cypriots exist - and i refuse this ;it is not true and i make them to read historical book or i explain the coup d'état in greece in 74 and then against makarios , the genocide of the TC and why the turkish army came to cyprus and stay there for the sake of the TC even if it is a so call illegal occupation !

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
08/12/2008 21:12

I believe it is next to impossibel for Turkish Cypriots to work in UK.



I once asked our solicitor why he did not stay on in UK after passing degree with 1st class honours. Afraid the answer was largely unprintable.



So I think you have a concise answer petlover. There might not be the "annual charge" we have to pay but we have it easy in comparison here in TRNC.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:35

If you are refused a visa by a UK embassy or visa office they give you a booklet on how to appeal against the decision. This explains that you can use the services of the Immigration Advisory service. They are very nice an have experts in this field who will arrange for a tribunal. They provide a trained advocate and the Home Office send a solicitor to fight their corner. An Immigration Judge presides over this and usually takes a few weeks to come to a decision.

Who pays for all this? The British Government of course through the Law Society. And you can bet they dont get the cream of the legal system representing the home office in such cases.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:41

cyprusishome

all cypriots are e.u citizens. so why can't they work in the uk?

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 14:44

they are EU citizens only if they have a cypriot passport - greek on - meaning they are born or from parens before 74 the others, cypriots by naturalisation cannot because they have kktc passeport and those have a ask a visa -

petlovers


Joined: 30/10/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 14:54

once again the uk take the side of the south cyprus.thay are no more the republic of cyprus than here in the north......the real cyprus is here in the north shame on you uk.

ziggy666


Joined: 16/12/2008
Posts: 4

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 22:54

The real Cyprus is not in the north petlover you dont know what your talking about. There is no north or south there is only one Cyprus and that belongs to the Cypriots only.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 23:15

Here we go...

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 23:26

if there is no north cyprus then tell me why there is a border crossing with G/C,s and TC,s manning it..And when you look at a map of CYPRUS ,any where above Lefkosa (Nicosia) is geographically north and con trolled by TRNC. the other half is called THE REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS, not just CYPRUS and also why are all these talks going on about REUNIFICATION .That means TWO seperate parts. you cannot re-unify some thing that is not split, so those who say there is no north and no south must be looking at a different atlas to me.....

petlovers


Joined: 30/10/2008
Posts: 52

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 23:47

i could not put it better myself coachie........a man that knows.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 14:36

now i thought that the whole of cyprus is a member of the e.u.

tc's can go south and apply for their e.u passport.

those who came from turkey and are now trnc citizens still hold turkish passports.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:09

The Republic of Cyprus is a member of the EU,The Turkish Republic of North Cyprus is NOT...

Fire Starter.. Surely if the WHOLE of Cyprus was in the EU then currency in the North would be the Eoro and not the YTL..

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:16

sylvie: "...the genocide of the TC..."



Why is there no official record anywhere of this ever happening?

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:19

sylvie: "...why the turkish army came to cyprus and stay there for the sake of the TC..."



How many Turkish Cypriots REALLY think the Turkish army has occupied Cyprus for 34 years - just for them? And I'm not talking about the types you hang out with, BTW.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:27

Coachie msg 19,



I think you're missing the point here. The border you talk about is a ceasefire line monitored by the UN, and the reunification is about bringing the two communities together under a BBF set-up. There has only ever been one Cyprus before and after indepence in 1960. The administration in the Turkish-occupied north is only recognised by Turkey, therefore the TRNC is unrecognised. That's why all your mail is addressed to Mersin 10, Turkey, and your phone numbers are all under the Turkey country code.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:07

PP..That maybe the case,it still does not alter the fact that there is a border crossing/crossings where there are ccustomofficials from both sectors on duty.you cannot get away from that fact PP. whether it is recognised or not it is there and it will still be there until the re-unification talks are finished and the problems are solved...I do not dispute the fact that whole island is called CYPRUS but you do not accept that the island at this moment is partitioned into two sections,North and South,and I have no doubt that if the talks are a success it will revert to just CYPRUS and not its current title of THE REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS...

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:47

Coachie,



I'd agree with you on your main thrust, but I'm hardly going to concede there's a real border as such.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:01

by the way, you ar all wrong: you can go as a TC to europe and claim that you are european, according to eu laws the whole of cyprus enterd the eu but with the north not obeying eu laws. thats the point. When entering a eu country you need to know the law, best is to have an printout with you then have a chat with border police and if it comes to the point you show him this printout.. Let me search and see if I can find this. So al TC are free to travel in europe!

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:02

"This means, for example, that these areas are outside the customs and fiscal territory of the EU. However, the suspension does not affect the personal rights of Turkish Cypriots as EU citizens. They are citizens of a Member State, the Republic of Cyprus, even though they may live in the areas not under government control."



The policy of the EU with regard to the Turkish Cypriot Community was set out by the General Affairs Council on 26 April 2004, just before Cyprus joined the EU.



READ MORE HERE: http://ec.europa.eu/cyprus/turkish_community/index_en.htm

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:28

The TRNC is also in the EEA.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:09

PP.. thank you for kind concession,but as far as the "border crossings" are concerned ,just dont go over them and be stopped with some contraband cosyou will definately find out that it exist, there again a man with your background would nt dream of doing anything like that ,..would you...

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:19

Soothsayer,



No TC will get very far in Europe without the right travel documents - which is in effect a Republic of Cyprus passport. That's why so many real TCs have them already.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:32

I agree. That is the absolute tragedy and legacy of isolation and occupation.

Soothsayer


Joined: 19/11/2008
Posts: 134

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 00:52

yes, many have them, the reason is: before 2004 - to obtain the ability to travel at all without a visa. like for education purposes etc. It was illegal according to trnc law. Everyone did it secretly. After 2004 the borders opened and everyone got a RoC passport because it was very easy to get one and you had the garantee to travell freely. With your TRNC kimlik / passport you have the right to travel freely but you need to take in account that you might get hold up and after prooving that you are right you can travel on.. Read the full EU text and stop confusing people here.

"However, the suspension does not affect the personal rights of Turkish Cypriots as EU citizens. They are citizens of a Member State, the Republic of Cyprus, even though they may live in the northern part of Cyprus, the areas not under government control."