Change of maintenance company

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 20:37

Hi all,



Are there any owners out there who have changed management company in the last year? How easy was it, why did you change and is the new company any better?



The Butler

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
03/12/2008 23:47

Come on,



I know Turtle Bay changed management company last year, there must be other surely.



The butlers wife

ronaldo


Joined: 14/11/2007
Posts: 372

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 00:53

Butler Turtle bay Have not changed there management Company as yet ! Were do you get your information from ? Maybe some people wish they had ! but I can confirm that Sharon Management are still the management Co. Ron(aldo)

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
04/12/2008 10:50

can you actually change them?



when you purchased the property, they must have sold it at a lower price so that they would get some benefits from doing the management as well.



hence the original company will not want to go.



i have been looking at flats in the uk, the management charges start at about 850 sterling per year, and they don't have pools ect.

from what i hear the charges in the trnc are very reasonable?

savannah


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 10:38

Hi Butler

yes you can change your management company, but obviously you must either give enough notice as stated in your contract or see out the contract. I know many companies charge competative rates the 1st year and have been known to increase by over 100% for the 2nd year but from what i have heard First Consult Cyprus have consistantly competative rates and a very good reputation.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 11:55

Hi Fire starter,



I wouldn't call £1,300 per annum reasonable. These are London prices charged in a country where wages are a lot cheaper than the UK.



savannah



You are so right, that is what happened to us 125% increase in year 2



The Butler

savannah


Joined: 23/06/2008
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 12:27

That is outrageous, how can they warrant an increase like that?! I know that First Consult Cyprus keep their prices reasonable year on year - as in about the same and no where near 100% increase. give them a ring on 05338694462 or 05338694463 or email them at info@firtsconsultcyprus.co.uk hope this helps and good luck

Stewart


Joined: 19/07/2008
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 12:31

Hi, speaking to Fulya at CYPRUSFURNITUREPACKS.NET her management company charges about £20 per month per apartment in a complex with a pool ( £240 PER ANNUM !!! )....EVEN AT DOUBLE THIS..what a saving!?

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 14:18

i do think that you will only get what(hopefully) you pay for.

if you pay small charges don't expect to get much done.

especially if you have a pool on the complex and gardens to maintain.

the uk is no different, lots of money gets eaten up by admin costs.

our uk 1 bed apartment next year is costing 700 gbp.

we have no pool ect. but does include insurance for the building.

in the uk there are laws put in place so that the management company cannot make large increases without the agreement of the lease's so to speak.

but if the work needs doing it is in your interest to pay as if the building or complex runs into bad repair it will de- value all properties there.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 15:18

Hi fire starter,



We are paying this charge and nothing is getting done, we should have landscaped gardens but after 2 1/2 years do we have them? No we don't.

We have a pool that is filthy, leaking and the steps have broken, are they being repaired? No they are not. The management company know of the owners disatisfaction but do they do anything? They don't even answer emails. I agree that if this was in the UK we would have some kind of redress but our property is in the TRNC where you can't do anything about it.



The Butler



The Butler

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 15:47

what about trying to contact the consummer people here?

personally i haven't dealt with them, its just a thought.

or try talking face to face with the management company and trying to come to some sort of a solution.

i think we have all learnt here that contracts mean very little and even if they would hold up in court it would take years and mega bucks to get there.

if i were in your situation i would try to deal in some way with the managemnet company.

have they said why these things have not been done?

are all properties on your complex sold?(if not maybe they don't have the sufficient funds, until everyone is contributing)

i also think that the way apartments are sold here is very different than in the uk, where they are usually leasehold.

which i can see later on when major work needs doing could be a problem.

breezyboy


Joined: 14/05/2007
Posts: 1179

Message Posted:
16/12/2008 15:53

So is Turtle Bay a different company from Turquoise bay?

There it is Glencoe who seem to be doing a cracking job all round.

kermanfu


Joined: 25/09/2008
Posts: 32

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 00:28

Try Fulya Önay. She is managing our site "ILYAL WHITE TRIO" and we are happy. http://www.cyprusfurniturepacks.com

clayton


Joined: 30/11/2008
Posts: 1143

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 20:02

i think

they realise that we cant do much,because there is only so much money can be raised on anyone site to take any legal proceedings.but if every site clubbed together you would only need a small donation,which would be come a very large amount of money to take legal proceedings.maybe worth a thought.most sites are run ok so the management companies who run these would have no worries.its only the ones who are taking liberties who need to worry

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 20:09

A good management company is transparent , provides updates on all that is going on , provides an action plan for the future ,works with owners/commitee being fair on all sides , agrees on a contract /sla if they do not get rid .

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
13/06/2009 22:38

Hi all,



I would just like to say, that since starting this thread on 3/12/2008. We have successfully moved away from our previous management company and we now have a fund managed system in place with First Consult Cyprus. Our committee and this company have worked extremely hard since taking over on the 1st May 2009 and the improvements to the development can be seen already. Having control over the spending and full transparency of accounts is something that all sites should strive for. It has not been easy and is not for the faint hearted but the effort has been worth it and all the owners on site now seem happy.



The butlers wife

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 00:01

Seems like fund /tender on communal complexes is catching on in TRNC ''Brilliant news ''

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
14/06/2009 00:15

It's the only way forward for owners !

LynxLtd


Joined: 24/04/2009
Posts: 46

Message Posted:
15/06/2009 11:23

We would be very happy to assist you in an impartial management agreement, committee setup, and proposal to manage your site- please contact Jackie at Lynx at 0392-8160314 or email jduba@lynxco.com

HER INDOORS



Joined: 14/12/2007
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
07/01/2010 19:33

Hi Butler



We are also with Medview - Hilltop site in Bogaz.Please can you email me on dalytez@aol.com as we are interested in changing management company.Thanks

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
07/01/2010 21:43

Hi Herindoors,



You have email,





The butlers wife

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
07/01/2010 23:19

Wish First consult had got Turquoise bay, it might not be in the state its in now, five months in and its worse than it was now im beingh told its fees price is set to go up

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
07/01/2010 23:36

Owners have a right to go for a legal tender . You have to give a new company at least 6 months to establish which way it is going. Our new company has only been in situ officially for 3 months inherited an unfinished site and many other problems, the key is to have a good working relationship with owners committee owners and management get all that up and running and you are half way there . You will not get anywhere unless you have all this a long struggle may i add !!

sienna


Joined: 09/01/2009
Posts: 1627

Message Posted:
07/01/2010 23:54

You need money to maintain a site if some owners are not paying then you aint going to maintain it -



I am now glad I didnt buy there what a close shave ! I feel for you guys as it seems to go from bad to worse

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:56

Sienna Yes of course you need money to maintain a site and our current M/C are getting the money in owing to clear transparency which was much needed . I agree you had a close shave and would not have liked to have purchased there . However we are ok having purchased on the other side . It is going to be an upward struggle but if we all work together we can get there . Not gonna post any more for a while on this site must give present M/C a good 6 months as they have a mountain to climb if you get my drift !!!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
08/01/2010 00:57

HER INDOORS sorry to have gone off thread a little, good luck with all !!!

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 10:33

Am just back on line and need to ask this

Did the Turquoise bay owners select there new management co or was it another case of it was picked by the developers number 23 seems to say it was the owners ( OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO GO FOR A LEGAL TENDER)

Iknow Medview did there own selection process number 16 but doubt if it happened on Turquoise ?

Also number 25 from whot i read elsewhere the management company are not getting in the money

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 10:59

tamand your post confuses me . have you not been able to access the lynx web site to look at meeting minutes ? presuming you are an owner of course .



You can E-mail Lynx and I can assure you , you will have a reply to all of your questions .



Not sure exactly your meaning the last part of your post again transparency is on the website for owners to see .



I can give you good news though as only yesterday I was speaking to a resident on T/B who appears pleased with the maintenance that is being provided for by Lynx .



Taking into consideration the problems LYNX inherited feedback tells me there are doing a splendid job .



Speaking on a personal note Jackie has answered all of my E-mails to more than my satisfaction , so my advice would be to speak to her yourself .



I can even tell you Jackie has managed to hold a meeting with developer so again big strides there .



We still have a mountain to climb but it is nice to know some are willing to climb it together .

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:16

Not going to get involved in another slagging match with the one above (no not God but 'er in the last post so to speak) as she can never give a direct answer so I will try

Tamand your point 1, no the owners did NOT vote for the present co.

I do have access to the web site thru a friend and yes there are MANY non payers still, but it is amazing to note who paid from day one this time even tho theres still no sauna steam, beach access, only one pool that could be classed as usable all not in situ like the claims why this person was not paying before

hope this answers your question

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:34

Lazy days .

If you are not an owner on TURQUOISE BAY how come you are accessing a private owners website ,? if you are an owner i am sure you will agree to the positive feedback in way of testimonials assure all is going in the right direction for TURQUOISE BAY . No need to get into slanging matches when the truth is told I am sure you agree L/D

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:43

Again I reiterate that I am not going to get dragged into a slagging match i will stick to the thread and just point out that you should really read posts thoroughly before responding, trouble is some would not recognise truth if it came up and punched them in the face

Have a nice day

lol



PS notice peeps who was the one to jump in feet first AGAIN !!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 11:54

lazy days I also intend not to getting into any slanging match as far as I am concerned Turquoise bay is making progress and that is music to my ears . that is the truth .

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 12:06

Pity you didn't think on that almost 2 years ago and pay your subs then as you are doing now if you had then the place would have been great now and most of the problems would have been solved long ago, it was you and those like you who made the place suffer, and dont come back and say you paid, paying 6 months after a company takes over and not paying any more dosent hack it lady.

Tamand if you want to e-mail me please I will supply you with what info you need LOL

A

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 12:35

Lazy days (my last post to you on this subject )

we have now a company that hopefully will take us forward in a positive manner . where the previous company had no idea how to take TURQUOSE BAY forward . It would never have been a great place under that company as that company proved when they were running it .( shambles comes to mind and photos to prove it )

I have very happily moved on and have decided not to answer you again on this subject . Have a nice day i know i will .

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 13:03

I have never asked you to post in response to anything excepting to answer direct questions, now you have responded with statements on a public forum,

"QUOTE" previous company had no idea how to take TURQUOISE BAY forward "UNQUOTE"

"QUOTE" it would never have been a great place under that company "UNQUOTE"

making for interesting times ahead, you may well need more than your photos to prove it.

Many thanks

tamand


Joined: 23/07/2009
Posts: 240

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 22:41

l/d your e-mail isnt available its hidden

Lazy days


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 847

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 22:53

Sorry I didnt realise I had it hidden tamand, look forward to hearing from you.

its blackalison44@yahoo.co.uk

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
05/02/2010 23:55

Hi all,



I started this thread on the 3/12/2008. Since then we have managed to get a new management company which is fund managed and we are very happy with them. The site has vastly improved and we have moved on. I was surprised to see that this post has been resurrected and surprise surprise, the same old people slagging each other off. Nothing is gained by this, whatever has happened in the past has happened and no amount of arguing or name calling is going to change that. So I think it is time to put this to bed and try and move on.



The butlers wife

Blackpoolfan


Joined: 03/12/2008
Posts: 1568

Message Posted:
06/02/2010 00:04

The Butler,

It's your fault then??? This thread has been round the block and they are still at it without drawing breath........

Sound the bell stop the fight or do us a favour and e-mail each other off board to your hearts content.

the butler


Joined: 22/06/2007
Posts: 1958

Message Posted:
06/02/2010 00:40

Blackpoolfan,



Exactly!!

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
06/02/2010 01:22

The butler yes you are correct move on . I am personally movng on great feeling . I had a previous M/C who in my opinon was rubbish end of . ( entitled to my opinion hopefully )

I personally now have a M/C who i am happy with and hope they can take us into a positive future !!

hds.trnc


Joined: 26/05/2009
Posts: 175

Message Posted:
06/02/2010 09:44

take a drive around the various sites,,you will have some idea of whats out there. usually the construction company nominate for the first 12 months a compnay and thereafter its up to the site. Get organised, develo-e a good relationship with the maintenance company....at the end of the day the consumer is in a position of strength.....dont go and try it yoursaelves...some sites have done this and resulted in green pools etc...im not saying all in this bracket but consider it well before you leap. The biggets prblem is one of non payment...there will be arguments eg i only use it for 4 weeks a year....i will clean my own landing area....i dont use the pool.....pools are expensive to maintain..water costs alone....conisder a well on site...recycling backwash..gardens where applicable require maintenace too...water again...ops sorry ive digressed..good luck



n norman

HER INDOORS



Joined: 14/12/2007
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
06/02/2010 10:26

My thanks to The Butler for responding to my enquiry privately.I have forwarded your advice to the Chairman of the committee which was formed here a few years ago

Thanks again. Terri

Pipie


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
06/02/2010 11:02

messege 42 .



You may take a drive around sites and all may appear ok but behind the scenes there could be no signed agreements between owners and M/C, you may have no transparency on how owners money is being spent , and you may even have a management company who thinks that once they are managing they think they are there for life . you may also have bully boy tactics in operation against owners . Doubt if you see that from looking around a site .