Its about time Britain stood up to these Eurocrats

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
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Message Posted:
10/12/2011 08:19

I was a committed European, a united Europe with free borders common policy's that would enhance the life of the individual.



Over the past couple of years I have been more and more disillusioned by the Germany France and to a lesser extent Holland and Belgium have manipulated the rules to suit themselves.



It started with the common agricultural policy's that clearly benefited the French, our fishing fleet was annihilated whilst Portuguese and the Spaniards raided our stocks. etc etc



Now the Germans want to rule the Euro at last someone has had the guts to stand up to them and say enough is enough.



Coming out of the market is not an option but it is bureaucracy gone mad.



Cameron did right and I say despite the lefty nimby pimby libs crying, well done that man .



If we have to stand alone we will after all we did it before in 39/45.

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 09:41

Hippo, fortunately you did not stand alone in 39/45.

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
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Message Posted:
10/12/2011 09:58

What amused me in the outfall on the news was how Larbour were saying he left UK isolated, if he had voted in favour, they would have said he gave away sovereignty.



I am happy that irrespective of what happens, he voted in line with what the majority of UK electorate would have wanted, and that's called democracy.

martinD41


Joined: 06/09/2010
Posts: 3001

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 10:02

I think you will find that we "Stood Alone" surrounded by enormous help from the USA/Canada ,First food and supplies, then machines then D day .......... .

dizzycows


Joined: 12/05/2009
Posts: 2736

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 10:14

So very true Hippo, totally agree with you. Germany and France between them had tried to 'isolate' Cameron before the talks!



The French little weasel is showing all 'big' but underneath all his 'show' he is seething...



We had to stand up this time or we would have sunk further just like them ....



That other 'muppet' of a Labour leader is lost in his own little world any way so his posturing is just quite comical..

kibsolar


Joined: 14/09/2008
Posts: 552

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 10:16

what about the russians? they payed the biggest contribution by keeping the germans busy.. 15-20 million been killed. Otherwise europe would not "speak german" in 2011 (Volker Kauder, IMHO, is an idiot), it would have been 1940, including the UK.

I say only one word.. "appeasement".

Hippo


Joined: 02/02/2007
Posts: 2070

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 15:54

39/45 was really a illustrative comment.



The real reason of the post is to draw attention to Britain's stand against (as Dcows most aptly puts it ) the French Weasel and the German control freak.

paddywack


Joined: 04/05/2009
Posts: 959

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 16:01

Merkal just trying to do what Hitler failed to do.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 16:22

Msg 3

Absolutely right,.. Britain hate being dictated to by the EU.



The majority of this country don't want to be "in" and if that clown Gordon Brown gave us what he promised a referendum then we would not be talking about this today.



What the British politicians have rammed down our throats for years is nothing short of hypocrissy.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 16:37

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Britain have a referendum on European membership when they joined in the 70's ? And yes, Germany has succeeded by political means, in doing what it could not achieve by military means in the last war ...conquering Europe !!

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 17:05

Yes Eamonn I think people did have a vote but most of them may be dead now and the EU is a very different place than it was in the early 70s.







And not everybody agrees with barmy EU regs today !

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 17:09

msge 10



EamonnMC



We voted to join the European economic Community. Since then the EEC has grown to become a completely different beast, a more political union called the EU. Brits have never had a chance to vote on membership of this political union.



I am sure if Britain's were asked to vote on joining a networked economic block they would vote a resounding yes, however many of us are uncomfortable about an unelected group of politicians who seem determined (either intentionally or unintentionally) to destroy national sovereignty.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 17:18

Msg 12,



Unelected politicians ? I think that you will find that every politician in Europe has been duly elected ! We may not like how many of our behave but we do elect them !

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 17:31

msge 13



When one votes for a political party you take in to consideration who is the leader of that party. The Leader will play a major part in shaping the direction of that organisation.

I had no say in the election of Van Rompuy. I know nothing about this person. Did you before he was appointed?

I know nothing about Baroness Ashton before she was appointed. Did you?



Yes you can argue that the appointments were made by elected politicians of national countries, however to everyday folk the whole process seemed like a process of appeasement, one that we had no say in. 'If you let us decide the foreign minister then we can decide the finance minister'.

EamonnMc


Joined: 18/06/2010
Posts: 1019

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 17:38

It's called horsetrading and goes on in every political system. If you voted in the last British election you did not know what the makeup of the government would be and who would get what.. when the spoils were divided ! It's the same everywhere in Europe !

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 18:04

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Yes I accept that horsetrading is part of the process, but we shouldn't underestimate the impact that horsetrading has on the public's perception of a fair process. You can argue that Gordon Brown could never rightfully wear the crown as leader of the UK because his appointment was made as part of a trade off. He had real trouble gaining legitimacy in the role.