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newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 22:48

So the people responsible for losing the airline and the blood relatives at Ercan only idea, (CTP) have now come up with the idea that 'Expats' should only be allowed to have work permits for four years before 'leaving the island for three years' then returning.



This if adopted would effect zillions of 'expats'



Given that;



Why isn't it being discussed?

rowlo



Joined: 12/10/2008
Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 22:50

zillions ? you sure .

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 22:54

Probably a slight exaggeration but you get the drift!

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
10/12/2011 23:42

They say it is a 'draft' being put before the government, I just hope that a draught will carry it away. Stephen Day of BRS has made a comment, but to me this is a V ERY clear indication that they do not see a reconciliation in the near future, because if we become in the EU, then we europeans will be freely able to work (as long as someone gives us a job). So, is the government shutting the door completely on the idea of the North being in the EU fully and for life to be the same as all other members of the EU? Seems that they are going for some weird kind of independence, or continuing dependence on Turkey.

Not only will it affect a logt of ex pats, but it means that most profesisonals will not want to come and work here for fear that after 4 years they won't be able to get a decent job back in U.K. so, what does that do to the standard of professionalism, and the economy.

But as I say, it is only a draft, and might get blown away.

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 00:20

the CTP seem to be intent on destroying the TRNC economy...........usually means you will loose the next election

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 07:20

Does this mean that ex-pats who own business's also have to leave after paying their tax's for years? You really couldn't make it up!



Chris

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 08:33

Chris, understand the sentiment but we have all paid tax's for years to the UK government and now that we have left we continue to pay tax's to ensure that we can not benefit from any service the UK government provides.



Try explaining, to a logical thinking person, why when you don't live there anymore, you still have to pay income tax to a different country - You really could'nt make it up - but they have!!



I think a lot is lost in the translation between Turkish and English in most cases of news reporting and always wait till the final word before worrying - but then I have no job nor business myself.

Rottolover



Joined: 21/06/2009
Posts: 519

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 09:10

Hey Waddo, why when you don't live there any more, do you still get a pension from a different country?



Wouldn't that be classed as a service?

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 10:00

Rotto, you don't loose a UK pension of any kind if you leave, what you do loose on the state pension is the annula increases if you move outside the EU

waddo


Joined: 29/11/2008
Posts: 1966

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 10:08

Rotto, military pension, paid into UK bank account but taxed at source by UK Government - despite having filled in the "I don't live here anymore" forms. It is the same for anyone who receives any form of Government pension, you get taxed on it at source (UK) regardless of where you live.



However, despite paying UK tax on income (pension), because you don't live there for 185 days a year then you can not claim for anything so you end up paying tax for nothing at all. I find it funny that if I had received my State Pension and heating allowance before I left that I would still receive my heating allowance even when I have moved away forever - now that you could not make up for yourself - lol.



All governments are the same no matter where you live - pay it in and get nothing back, keeps the government happy and pay's the pensions.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 11:13

yrret,

Luckily the TRNC is in the EEA and therefore I believe that you do get your yearly increases on UK State pensions . Not me, though... too young.

deputydawg


Joined: 30/03/2010
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:15

I believe that there has been little response to this latest mad cap announcement, presumably the result of a wet dream lasting like St Swithins, 40 days and nights, as we are no longer surprised at the continuing attitude to fleece all possible and not concede or give anything. Equality seems to be take from others what you want for yourself.

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:18

Does anyone see Mr Mugabes logic here. After 4 years, a successful business all ready for a local to take over.



Look what happened to the bread basket of Africa>

jimchris09


Joined: 13/02/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:43

Aberrant Apostrophe Hunter is here!



Message 6. There is nothing wrong in writing 'businesses' or 'taxes'.



Your use of the apostrophe makes the words almost unpronounceable!

Ralph96



Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 531

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:49

Message1, If you have your residency then you should be OK.

nurseawful



Joined: 06/02/2009
Posts: 5934

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:56

message 14,



Well spotted it was deliberate, just to see who was paying attention. But what it has to do with this thread I do not know!



Chris

jimchris09


Joined: 13/02/2009
Posts: 547

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:01

Beware! The Aberrant Apostophe Hunter has access to all threads.

kelly25


Joined: 29/05/2008
Posts: 365

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:15

You can't get residency and a work permit at the same time, so it's just penalising the people that work in this country, as i very much doubt that they will allow you to have a work permit for 4 years and then transfer to residency for 3 years and so on.

If this is implemented, it will just increase the number of illegal workers, as a lot of those who work here have houses here and nowhere else to go, so where are they supposed to go for the 3 years they are not allowed to work? You can't go back to the UK if you have no house there, and imagine the shipping costs going backwards and forwards! They will end up losing all the expat and foreign workers in this country as they will have to keep changing their country of residence and find new jobs.

I wonder if it would encourage people to have gaps in their work permits, ie. work with a permit for 3 and a half years, then stop working for 6 months, then work again for another 3 and a half years?

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:18

Msg 9 I left the uk in 2003 never been back but still get an annual increase in my pension.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 14:54

Most Parties in Cyprus have not got a clue on what they are doing from day to day, as long as they make some kind of headline each day in the press and Tv just to keep the name alive they are happy.



I wouldn't worry too much about anythying coming out of CTP statement, without other nationals living in TRNC, they are unable to survive.



As for TRNC trying to make a break and become independent state, that is the least of the options, No country will agree to it.

girne 29


Joined: 06/12/2007
Posts: 1488

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 21:17

Groucho



''Luckily the TRNC is in the EEA''



It is definately is not!

* A document issued by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus does not establish that the person is an EEA national. Only a document issued by the Republic of Cyprus stating that the holder is a national of the Republic of Cyprus establishes that the person is an EEA national and accordingly entitled to free movement within the European Union (EU).

daisythedog


Joined: 17/07/2009
Posts: 73

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 22:33

Re Groucho's and girne 29's comments - pension increases are implemented for British people living here as our officail address is Mersin 10 Turkey , and Turkey comes under the reciprocal agreement list, just like ie Barbados or Israel. nothing to do with the EC/EEA

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 08:17

Girne29,

The north of Cyprus is specifically covered by the EEA, you don't need any 'document issued by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus' to establish that as it is enshrined in UK foreign policy.



"The European Economic Area is a larger area than the European Union (EU). It is made up of all the countries in the EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway.



For categories where the residence area is the EEA and Switzerland, the residence area is made up of all 30 countries in the EEA including the whole of the island of Cyprus (that is, including northern Cyprus), and Switzerland."



Taken from Uk Government website

http://www.ukcisa.org.uk/student/info_sheets/student_support_england.php#definitions_eea

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 08:42

Msg:23



European Economic Area (EEA)



The European Economic Area is a larger area than the European Union (EU). It is made up of all the countries in the EU plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway.

For categories where the residence area is the EEA and Switzerland, the residence area is made up of all 30 countries in the EEA including the whole of the island of Cyprus (that is, including northern Cyprus), and Switzerland.



Only if the RoC had control over the whole of the Island, they can hardly admit RoC based on half an Island, so the E.U looks at Cyprus as a whole, but since we are a non E.U member, there is no free movement in the TRNC. Looks at the BRAKETS (incuding Northern Cyprus ) does not state Turkish Republic of Northern Island.



So we are NOT with-in the EEA or E.U member. if we were then all the people in the TRNC would be issued with TRNC E.U PASSPORT and ID.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 09:36

Erkin,

Membership of the EEA does not bestow EU rights therefore being classified as in the EEA would have no such effect (viz 'if we were then all the people in the TRNC would be issued with TRNC E.U PASSPORT and ID'). The fact that you have quoted that "the whole of the island of Cyprus (that is, including northern Cyprus)" which is taken from the UK Government website speaks volumes....

If you have a problem with it, I suggest you take it up with UK Gov as it's their policy not mine.

Students from the TRNC might not thank you for it though, as it enables them, just like their fellow Cypriots south of the border to study in the UK and get grants and other helpful rights....

Deniz1


Joined: 28/07/2009
Posts: 3829

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 13:41

Is it coincidence that ex pats cannot get driving licences for more than three years? Seems to tie up with message 1.

carian


Joined: 13/03/2009
Posts: 336

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 14:18

Deniz1, we got 5 years when we renewed ours. Think it depends on who is working at the desk that day.

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 14:20

Sounds like another one of those plans. A bit like the way they were going to stop you dropping off your husband or wife at Ercan because you were not blood relatives,lol.

From the other side maybe the UK should do the same to all TC's, then ,maybe they would wake up.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 14:37

msge 28



"From the other side maybe the UK should do the same to all TC's, then ,maybe they would wake up".



Nice thought



The Cypriot based TC's would say 'serves them right for gong to the uk - Bloody rich Londrali TC's'