My theory regards British expats here

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 11:47

I have a theory that we seem to have shot oursels in the foot regards living in TRNC, there seems to b a growing resentment among the locals who seem to not to want us here any more because of the trouble we seem to cause and I know I am settin mysel up for them that will argue 'we go' 'we support' 'we dont do this we dont do that' 'we want brit standards' 'its not done that way in england' brigade, but u just need to read this and some other forums to see it almost every day, and most NOT ALL expats can be found sitting in there 'not' local bars clucking away about this and that not being right instead of getting it on wi the locals and enjoying life. theres them that dont live here that throw there pennies worth in from good old engerlund stirring the pot and theres a few of them on this forum.

Anybody else agree ???

walkerscott


Joined: 13/08/2009
Posts: 901

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:09

i think it's all a matter of "personal perspective" and that we can all change at any moment in our lives. Forums are there to express your feelings and discuss whatever as long as you choose your words with care. It's not as important how you send your message as how well it is received. That can only happen if you choose your words carefully.

i love north Cyprus and have many local Cypriot friends who have invited me into their extended families. They are very family orientated and loving and respectful. I love their life style and the way they all enjoy the tranquility of this piece of heaven. When many cultures come together it takes respect for each other and a willingness to listen to improve the environment in which we live together. "Letting Go" of what we had or experienced in the past is a big lesson we all need to learn, as is accepting "what is" and living in the "Now and Here" ... How we feel about things always comes from within, and we can control that!

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:15

I totally agre with Walkerscott

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:17

Well done Liz,you have summed up the situation.So many Brits are content to go in "British type"bars,and not mix with the Cypriots.They have been here for years have not attempted to learn the local language,or looked into the culture,never tasted a kebab,or tried local drinks!!!

They just want a life in the sun !!!and cheap booze !!!



I do not know where my nearest British neighbour is,I enjoy my Cypriot freinds and neighbours,listen to their advice on gardening,follow what they do,and swap our crops.

Yes I drink wine,mainly at home to avoid the Brits in the bars.This morning I was given fresh eggs by my Cypriot neighbour,and,in turn,her 5 small children enjoyed seeing my photos on my laptop.



Is this why I love it here?



To those Brits who moan and groan about the life here,sod off !!!Or get out and look what is good here.

This is NOT a British Colony,this is NOT Clacton in the sun.You are guests in a foreign country.Enjoy.

steve.sewell


Joined: 07/11/2011
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:48

I know the coast is eroding but clacton is not in the sea yet mike.



I'll be fine i love kebabs and cheap drink. I'm looking forward to the bbq's around yours most mike.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 12:52

steps426; I agree with you on most of the things you write. But I also would like to add that there are some expats who have been employed by local institutions and businesses who are also acting above their heads where the local employees are concerned.

No protests please, when they get their asses kicked out of TRNC soon! Official intelligence (...and do not ask for the source please!) has discovered local gangs are being formed to start an intimidation process that may involve physical violence and/or damage to property, if government does not take up measures to remome both the mainland illegal emigrants and the unfavorable/offensive ( towards the local workforce) behaving professional expats!

steve.sewell


Joined: 07/11/2011
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:00

Well said bigoz



Stand up and be counted, represent.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:08

As a foreigner* (only being a resident in TRNC) my many Cypriot Turkish friends don't treat or look at me as a stranger. They usually appreciate my interest in and love of the country. I try to participate in daily life where possible. Maybe that's why I have a fine life in TRNC, in many ways - not only the sun - far better than I could expect in 2011 in Holland.



* As a foreigner I wouldn't dare to give an opinion about how some/many Brits in TRNC talk bad about almost anything TRNC. After all these Brits are the former colonial rulers. However and indeed: "former". Maybe some on this board may one day care to remember that.

bigOz


Joined: 29/09/2010
Posts: 1244

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:11

steve.sewell; Having said that, I must add the MAJORITY of expats here are very welcome, very much liked and favoured by the locals - it always takes a minority to stir up S...ugar

BillBarnacle


Joined: 20/04/2009
Posts: 167

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:21

DC



'far better than I could expect in 2011 in Holland'



I could not agree more now you are to be swallowed up by the 4th Reich, told how to spend your own money and if you disagree have your Government removed and a dictator (oops technocrat) put in place



TRNC definitely a better place to live - Lets hope they never enter the EU

steve.sewell


Joined: 07/11/2011
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 13:25

Sorry mike, you wrote clacton in the sun, i'll take that back.

ozkent


Joined: 08/05/2010
Posts: 111

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 14:13

I for one play pool in all the bars around Girne we have mixed teams of brits and Cyps,who enjoy each others company all night there is no feeling of animosity bewteen each side even when we lose life is what you make it.

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 14:27

@ msg 10, BillBarnacle: (...) I could not agree more now you are to be swallowed up by the 4th Reich, told how to spend your own money and if you disagree have your Government removed and a dictator (oops technocrat) put in place (...)



▶ This must be your subtle sense of British humour... Well, whatever. I follow todays news from the UK and I'm glad to hear that not all Brits have lost the plot like Conservative Mr Cameron, who with his veto "saved" the banks in the City and so united the other EU members against the UK. LibDem Clegg, who fortunately talks about the economic future of the country and the fate of the population, is rather amazed by Mr Cameron's solo action. Looks like the style of a dictator indeed...

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 14:40

For my ten pennyworth, I would just like to say that I am very happy here, love the country, love the local people who are my neighbours and feel happy that they have welcomed me into their community, to all the people who never stop complaining about life here.....well, there is always an option, go back from whence you came and see if it is any better than when you left!



I am going to try chicken fahitas, home made tortillas and tarte tartin (upside down toffee apple pie) on my neighbours today. I have really enjoyed cooking this meal and we will all enjoy sharing the meal.



What a beautiful, gentle sunny day today. Even the hawks are out playing!

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 15:06

msg 4: Well done Liz,you have summed up the situation.So many Brits are content to go in "British type"bars,and not mix with the Cypriots.They have been here for years have not attempted to learn the local language,or looked into the culture,never tasted a kebab,or tried local drinks!!!



They just want a life in the sun !!!and cheap booze !!!







I do not know where my nearest British neighbour is...????

Mike, if you "do not know" where your nearest British neighbour is! How can you make such a sweeping condemnation of same? Seems like you've been listening to, and been influenced by someone else, or maybe the "cheap booze" is talking.

I also play in a pool league, about 50/50 as regards ethnic split, as if that matters. The only way you know you've been beaten by a local is, they invariably apologise for winning. I get lots of apologies.

T

ps msg 9: ever the gentleman, Ozer.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 15:11

msge 13



" LibDem Clegg, who fortunately talks about the economic future of the country and the fate of the population"



I have read that Clegg supported Camerons decision, but is now changing his tune now that he is getting flak from his own party



Apologies this is not relevant to this thread but DC needs to be challenged on this point.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 15:15

Why?



Life is too short.

Jeannie


Joined: 04/08/2009
Posts: 3283

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 16:01

I'm still trying to fathom out how someone could have lived in TRNC for years and still avoided eating a kebab



Surely pretty much impossible?

oliveoil


Joined: 16/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 16:59

Message 15 minertor



I do not know where my nearest British neighbour is...????



Mike, if you "do not know" where your nearest British neighbour is! How can you make such a sweeping condemnation of same? Seems like you've been listening to, and been influenced by someone else, or maybe the "cheap booze" is talking.



Minertor grow up, it was a generalisation, I thought you had more sense no need for the *or maybe the "cheap booze" is talking.*

You know what the topic is about and if you dont agree with it as the poster said we know where your vote lies - dont we lol ;)

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 17:14

Oliveoil,please look at the time of my posting,and it is the Sabbath.....I assure you,this post or any other

post,I do not post when I have had alcohol !!!!Been there,done that.It is a shame other Brits do not do the same.My generalisation of the Brits is when I meet friends for am occasional tipple in the bars.

Steve,sorry about choice of town,so many Essex girls here,Let's say Blackpool in the sun.



Mike



PS The sun is below the yard arm.For Steve,who has not experienced a Naval Warship.....it is when you can have an alcoholic beverage,unless on a war footing.

steve.sewell


Joined: 07/11/2011
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 17:45

If cyprus was full of essex girls mike it would be perfect. Remember mike you and Eamonn had the chance to challenge my views but you couldn't, just snidey remarks. I have been on a naval warship, what makes you think i haven't.

Ed1957


Joined: 03/09/2011
Posts: 377

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 17:54

Objection. Clacton is not on the sea, neither is it in the sun



totally agree with the 'Britain in the sun' comments, we should all make an effort to learn the language and enjoy the culture her.



good thread

dippersgirl



Joined: 04/05/2010
Posts: 795

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 18:59

We love it here, but we did make sure, that we are not living in an area full of non locals. There are some disadvantages in living in a more remote area, but I think they are outweight by the many advantages. So many friendly helpful neighbours, all locals. Fantastic country side, we just have to walk 10 minutes away from our house and are surrounded by hills, see the sea and not a building in sight. Never regretted the move.

minertor



Joined: 14/02/2009
Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 19:09

Oliveoil, I know it was "a generalisation" that's the problem with it.

And you know where my vote lies, don't you, is that another "generalisation" or some more cheap booze talking.

And you tell me "to grow up"



T

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 19:41

my "take" on expat attitudes has been pre-occupied with two observations



firstly all the nonsense posted about the talks and reunification: it is my belief

(putting me in a minority of one, probably, hey just like cameron!),

that in the absence of any genuine prospect of movement

"reunification" is in reality an extended metaphor for hankering to get

a more modern nd a more europeanized north cyprus



secondly the occasional suggestion of the benefits of somebody big stepping in (it),

...but who? and "as if"

this is racist neo-colonial sentimentality of the feeblest type



the drawbacks of life in north cyprus I leave to others to explain in great detail

newscoop


Joined: 23/12/2007
Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 21:06

interesting;



I keep hearing about all the trouble Brits cause here and the resulting resentment by the indigent populace yet in 13 years here I can't say I've really noticed any problem.



I have noticed a few newbies running down their fellow countrymen and women while desperately showing they have gone native.



Mikelapta; surely your photo doesn't show you at a popular expat bar?

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
Posts: 855

Message Posted:
11/12/2011 21:37

When I first came to live here the friendliness and welcome of the Turkish Cypriot community was incredible., and relationships witht he comparatively small expat community generally excellent . One of the reasons was it was comparatively difficult to get here (before the border was opened and Larnca Airport available), there were no estate of "villas" and one either bought an old house or built individualy from start. There were fewer - and smaller and older vehicles and the roads were quiet. But the main reason was tha most of the "settlers" had previous experience living on the Island during one of its troubled times (British Forces , Civil Service , Diplomatic Service) . The choice of living in the North was made consciously because we had experiences and understood the problems of the Turkish Cypriots and supported them.



We werent all capable of speaking fluent Turkish (I for one still cant) but we took the trouble to pick up some "kitchen Turkish" and particularly t

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
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Message Posted:
11/12/2011 21:45

particularly to learn the correct greeting and forms of address and famiarise ourselves with local customs. Coping with the the beaurocracy was never easy, and true we did sometimes become, frustrated but it was a little easier because we understood and sympathised with the circumtances which lead to it.



The cost of living was cheaper because there were few imported goods and (although we appreciated the occasional "treat" from home) , mainly we lived on local produce and shared the problems of the locals, particularly a very unreliable electricity and water supply - in some areas one went for weeks at a time without water. There was something of the "blitz mentality"



Post Annan there has been an influx of people who apparently dont even realise where they are living, and are in search only of a perceived cheaper cost of living and sun, sea and .............a good time. There demands for an infrastucture and "standard of living" of a different culture are being met, and whil

jimchris09


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Message Posted:
11/12/2011 21:53

Well said BizziLizzi! You'll be here when the rest have gone. Good onya!

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
11/12/2011 22:04

and while admittedly some of the improvements have been to the good, they are also undermining the culture and "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". The attitude of many (and I said many not all) of the "newcomers" is deporable as evidenced by too many post on this forum.



ADmittedly there are those among the Cypriots (and other nationalities) who have taken advantage of the influx to make a quick and not alwaysentirely ethical buck, but that is human nature everywhere and tarring ordinary decent citizens with the same brush and being extremely offensive into the bargain is souring inter communal relationships . There is also an appalling degree of patronisation among those who think because they came from a different environment their ways are necessarily best and should be imposed on the local community. Strangely (as Ihave been assured by some Cypriot friends) there turn out to be the least educated.

BizziLizzi


Joined: 02/08/2011
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Message Posted:
11/12/2011 22:08

Steps is right. There is growing resentment among the locals , who also see some of the new English scorning and ignoring their conventions.



This is putting the secuirty at risk and ruining the lifestyle for those of us who enjoy living here,, warts and all, and have committed ourselves to spending the rest of our days here - and I for one feel bitterly resentful of it.

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 02:17

Brit expats have been"ruining" the TRNC since their arrival - as they do almost everywhere they go !!

philbailey


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 02:37

But the property is cheap

and the sun shines

HairyPeggy01


Joined: 01/09/2010
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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 02:43

I have no problem with the 'locals' on a personal level, as I am sure they have no problem with me.

No, it's the institutions that tick me off. The nepotism, the bloated, inefficient burocracy and a judicial system that I feel sure appears in court straight from Alice's wonderland, where nothing makes any sense to people who are conditioned by how things are done elsewhere.

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 07:56

Bizzilizzi well written,

Philbailey once a p*** always a p***

Groucho



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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 08:07

Newscoop, did you really mean 'indigent populace' or did you mean 'indigenous'.

minertor



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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 08:37

.My generalisation of the Brits is when I meet friends for am occasional tipple in the bars.



Mike, why "generalize" -(speak vaguely)? call it as it is "tar us all with the same brush"





T

blade


Joined: 19/06/2010
Posts: 1286

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 14:41

I don't think its the local people who are unhappy with us all being here, its just this goverment which is giving us a hard time.

I don't have a problem with expat that wants to drink themselves stupid and sit in the sun getting skin cancer.

What i do find weird is that the talk of the day/ cy44 is usually where to find the cheapest breakfast, dinner or super. What do you expect for 15tl?

The other thing that winds me up is the discount word, where is it that actually gives discount? Discount is not a British thing so why ask for it here??

We don't give discount as when we buy products and pay for services we don't get discount. Why do people feel the need to ask for it ? Its beyond me.

We do look after our long term customers who have been with us for years. The same as you may get free brandy when you go to the restaurant. But if i go to a restuarant or shop i wouldn't dream of using the discount word. Brits want good service but don't want to pay for it, is my experience.

suehowlittle


Joined: 31/10/2010
Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 15:42

I am sorry that this is your experience of 'Brits', but please do not tar us all with the same brush!



There are still many people here (not just Brits) who have retained some dignity and would not dream of asking for discount, but this does not mean that we are fools who will accept any silly price which is given to us.



Everyone shops around for the best price before buying, this is simply common sense, also it leaves us with a few bob to support the various charities here.

BizziLizzi


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Posts: 855

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 18:03

andre514







Message Posted:

11/12/2011 19:41

Reply Message 25 of 39







firstly all the nonsense posted about the talks and reunification: it is my belief



(putting me in a minority of one, probably, hey just like cameron!),



that in the absence of any genuine prospect of movement



"reunification" is in reality an extended metaphor for hankering to get



a more modern nd a more europeanized north cyprus "



Yes, I agree Andre. You have to understand the history of the Turkish Cypriots, "Settlers" voluntarily transported from Turkey, apart from admistrative personnel they were mainly farmers and tradesmen and, along with the mainly Hellenic existing population they were heavily taxed under the Ottoman empire , then under he British empire they became third class citizens and something of the poor relation. Then abandoned by the British, under the Republic of Cyprus they were marginalised and eventually subject to genocide by the Greek Cypriots

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 18:13

Eventually , after Britain had failed to honour its treaty obligations, they were rescued by Turkey and the state tthat is know the TRNC founded. Since then they have been subject to international condemnation and economic embargo for a situation that was no fault of theirs.



Is at any wonder that they now feel entitled to a share of the goodies and in a very few cases are not too particular about how they get them?



And then when they (by a very small margin) voted for unification, they were kicked in the teeth by the EU, who admitted the Greek Cypriots (who had voted against, again by a small margin!) but left them out in the cold.



Hopefully they will have realised from recent events, that the streets of the European Union are NOT paved with gold, and membership will not necessarily give them a better standard of living!!!!!!! Maybe in fact the reverse.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 18:18

@ msg 40, BizziLizzi: (...) the history of the Turkish Cypriots, "Settlers" voluntarily transported from Turkey (...)



▶ I'm sorry to contradict you, but the facts are different. In short: the first Ottoman Turks (about 1000) were military men and they settled in Cyprus after the conquest of Nicosia and Famagusta (Cyprus, 1570-1571). In the next ten years Ottoman Turks from the villages along the coast on the main land (one out of every ten families) were forced by the Sultan to emigrate to Cyprus (a Firman). All well documented facts - among other books see "The Turks in Cyrus".

Back on topic, I didn't aim to derail the thread.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 18:25

The surprising thing to me is that so many Turkish Cypriots are well intention towards the British and if we do not behave offensively actually like us! Presumablly they have the sense to realise that as individuals we did not necessarily vote for, or approve of , the policies of the Government and politicians who treated them so shabbily.



At the very least we should reciprocate with regard to them and their governmental representatives!



imho the only way forward for the TRNC is international recognition. Then and only then, froma position of equality they can start building bridges and agreeing mutually advantageous economic agreeements withthe Greek Cypriots, and eventually take thei rightful place in the world.



My apologies to Turkish Cypriot members for my presumption in putting their case! But I believe so many misunderstanding arise from lack of knowledge of the history of Cyprus. As well as living in the South in the l960's I felt it necessary to study the

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 18:30

history of the Island so I could be sure I was in general agreement with the policy of the regime I would be living under. Naturally this does not mean I always agree with some of the individual policies and developments.



The first paragraph of my first post (about settlers from Turkey) was taken , necessarily abbreviated and over simplified , from a lecture given by a very erudite Turkish Cypriot diplomat some time ago. No doubt I will be corrected if I got it wrong!

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 20:08

I have to say that I cringed when I read the following statement:



"Is it any wonder that they now feel entitled to a share of the goodies and in a very few cases are not too particular about how they get them?



Couldn't the same be said for both sides that suffered atrocities? There were many GC Victims too. It almost reads like a justification for the terrible blood shed and pain suffered.



Such statements are easy to make if you do not have a balanced view and simply believe that Turkey merely invaded to prevent the deaths of TC's and for no other reason. If this simplistic view is your belief I would suggest more balanced reading.



This sort of selective interpretation of history is evident on both sides. Its like the much used GC equivalent of saying that Turkey simply invaded in 1974 whilst forgetting or choosing to dismiss the events from '63 that had a direct bearing on the invasion.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 20:21

Didn't more G/Cs die/killed

than T/Cs between 1950 up to 1974?

bearing in mind the G/Cs made up 80(?) % of the population

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 20:46

msg 42:>......................Back on topic, I didn't aim to derail the thread



Hans, I may not like you as a person but I do respect your knowledge of this lovely place, so derail as you wish.

In my 8 years here, as a swallow, I have yet to meet these moaners and whingers that are much spoken of on this forum. Would it be possible for posters to name these moaners and whingers so we will know if they are all talking about the same person. I have only met one person, Sandra Kozinsky, who has been duped and lost money, to Gary Robb, by the numerous?? thieving estate agents, lawyers and builders that are reputed to abound here. I have never regretted coming here, I didn't "burn my boat" so can return to UK permanently if I wish to, which I don't. I know about 100 expats here, I don't know any that moan and whinge about their lot.

If anyone is complaining, it's usually about how UK is being run, into the ground, but I'm sure Cameron will sort it out, eventually.

T

Hector


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 20:55

What is wrong with anyone of any nationality enjoying their hard earned retirement in Cyprus, in the sun, choosing who with and where they spend their precious social time?



What right has anyone else to comment on or criticise others as to how they spend what is left of their lives?

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 21:00

BizziLizzi;



These 'very small margins'



GC's 75.83% no. Turnout 89.18%



TC's 64.91% yes. Turnout 87%



But lets not let the facts get in the way.

Hector


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Posts: 2352

Message Posted:
12/12/2011 21:05

What is wrong with anyone of any nationality enjoying their hard earned retirement in Cyprus, in the sun, choosing who with and where they spend their precious social time?



What right has anyone else to comment on or criticise others as to how they spend what is left of their lives?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 21:59

well said hector , so many self righteous people on here .

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 22:28

DC : Message 42 - your message crossed with my later one explaining whereI got theinfo. As I said I oversimplified (for brevity as I was going on too long anyway), Yes no doubt the first Turks to live here were the military - and the Governors and civil servants etc. But what I was told was that the most skilled Turks from several villages were offered an incentive (land or money) to settle in Cyprus. In fact the comment was made it was apity the same principle wsnt applied post 74! I did read "Cyprus under the Turks" as part of my reseach, but it was a while ago and I dont have a copy., as I misremember that particular point.

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 22:36

minertor (mess 47)



Before you start spouting about victims of Gary Robb make sure you get their names right!



You may think your a "swallow" but for me you are a "crow" you know nothing about Robb's victims! but you throw up your venom like a snake!



I hope Cameron won't have to "sort it out" for you! you little (didn't burn your boats I'm alright Jack, sod the rest) swallow you I hope you never want to come back to the uk! we are better off without crows like you! you deserve the TRNC!

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 22:42

Bradus





Reply Message 45 of 52 in Discussion



I have to say that I cringed when I read the following statement:







"Is it any wonder that they now feel entitled to a share of the goodies and in a very few cases are not too particular about how they get them?







Couldn't the same be said for both sides that suffered atrocities? There were many GC Victims too. It almost reads like a justification for the terrible blood shed and pain suffered.



Bradus You misunderstood me - sorry if it wasnt clear. I did not comment on the "atrocities" and dont intend to - it would not be approriate here. My comment was purely about the economic affects of the situation and I offered an explanationof why some people feel that reunification enabling Northern Cyprus to become part of the EU is the "best" (or at least the only practicable) way forward. I dont actualy share that view but I can well understand the reaction to financial constraints that lead to it.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 22:43

caravan to let msg53

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 22:48

rowlo (mess 55)



Forgive me! but I won't be taking up your offer! :-(

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 22:59

I do feel that the objection to "discounts" is a little unfair to the expats, however.



My experience was the Cypriots started it! I think that in the mid 90s many Brits had experience of other Middle Eastern countries and expect to be able to bargain which didnt happen here. "Discounts" was perhaps a mild compromise. At that time discounts wer actually offered for payment in Sterling! - the Turkish Lira was rapidly dropping against other currencies and the pound sterling considered a safe currency and the British economy a stable one! Sic transit gloria! Also the British (and Germans) were preferred by landlords letting property as they were considered honest and responsible people - on of the perceptions that have changed



Discounts were also offered for purchase of two or more items - surely that is simply sound business practice

anywhere for a shop wanting to maximise speed of turnover?

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
12/12/2011 23:37

Newscoop message 49



I think 64% is a small margin! Be that as it may the FACTS are that the Turkish Cypriots voted for, the Greek Cypriots against , yet the GCs were admitted to the EU and the TCs left out inthe cold.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 00:13

Hector: Message 50. Nothing wrong with anyone going anywhere legally to enjoy retirement in the sun - even on holiday or part time. Though a lot of people think sun alone (or even cheap property) insufficinet and reasons for moving country.



But no -one (other than citizens) have the right to live here (or most countries one would want to live in).

If your behaviour or public comments offend the local people, you ride roughshod through their customs and you demand that thde lifestyle of other residents be changed to suit your perceptions make unreasonable demands on the infrastructure to the extent that your compatriots are no longer welcome and their lifestyle is damaged, that is very wrong.

GinaC


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Posts: 372

Message Posted:
13/12/2011 00:53

The trouble making Brits are in a minority, most Turkish Cypriots still have a lot of time and are very welcoming to the rest.

steps426


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Posts: 108

Message Posted:
13/12/2011 09:12

Lots of differing point of view here but 1 that sticks out so far is mes 6

steps426; I agree with you on most of the things you write. But I also would like to add that there are some expats who have been employed by local institutions and businesses who are also acting above their heads where the local employees are concerned.



No protests please, when they get their asses kicked out of TRNC soon! Official intelligence (...and do not ask for the source please!) has discovered local gangs are being formed to start an intimidation process that may involve physical violence and/or damage to property, if government does not take up measures to remome both the mainland illegal emigrants and the unfavorable/offensive ( towards the local workforce) behaving professional expats!

WELL THIS SAYS IT ALL REALLY, is it goin 2 b getting like the GC side and become radical, hmm

Hector


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 15:20

"If your behaviour or public comments offend the local people, you ride roughshod through their customs and you demand that thde lifestyle of other residents be changed to suit your perceptions make unreasonable demands on the infrastructure to the extent that your compatriots are no longer welcome and their lifestyle is damaged, that is very wrong."



What evidence, if any, do you have of this happening? You make it sound as if this is widespread, major problem. Is it really?

metininkibris


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
13/12/2011 15:28

How I wish the " do gooders " said this in the UK"If your behaviour or public comments offend the local people,

andre514


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 16:07

bizzilizzie,



the way you blend your understanding of the facts with opinion is disconcerting



...but newscoop's printing out the figures for the 2004 referendum is more significant:

it means that, since one compromise was rejected, we are all "rather stuck"



so, opinion-wise, here is my four penneth:



firstly it limits the present talks to negociate only on what the other side won't agree to



secondly it would condemn us all to much more of the same, the dreaded "status quo"



thirdly it intensifies pressure on those with a foothold on the island to come to an internal

accommodation of some sort, if there aint gonna be a modernising/europeanising reunification



I wonder whether it is worthwhile to make generalisations?

there will always be tension between native-born cypriots, and short- or long-term settlers

be they of turkish or north european origin:

though there are many examples of working well together, understanding the other guy or gal

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:09

Andre: I am sorry if I did not make it as clear as I meant to what was fact and what was my own personal opinion.



However I dont understand YOUR post above! What is "it" which leads to your following conclusions and which side is limited to what the other wont agree to!



I agree with your last sentence about tension between "native born" and "settlers" - and it is not just restricted to Cyprus - the French, Spanish and Welsh, to name a few, have not been happy about English using their countries asholiday and retirement homes! And a post above illustrates the frequent attitude of the British to immigrants!



And you are right about the examples of working together and understanding. Ithat is what is really upsetting me - I was so impressed by welcome of the Cypriots and mutual cooperation when I first came here (particularly have witnessed the effects of racial tensions in the UK) it is distressing to see that threatened.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:26

Hector: "Widespread" would be an exaggeration! But unfortunately it is increasing and becoming more evident.



Well you dont have to go very far to see examples of prejudice against Cypriots, and failure of understanding and attempts to impose alien views and standards just read some of the posts on these boards. And particularly unforgiveable attempts to blacken the reputation of the TRNC elsewhere.



Not evidence that I could produce in a Court of Law since I have no intention of quoting my sources but observation of the attitude of SOME of the newcomers towards Cypriots - and the expression on some faces of the Cypriots.



But increasingly - and this is of course a perception but it is a strong one, the fact that Cypriot friends and acquaintances have shown distress at the way they have been treated by the British - and then hastened to assure me that they do not mean me - or English like me (whatever that may be!)



But particularly the sheer rudeness I have persona

philbailey


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:31

I don't believe it is Britain

the UN resolutions are the main problem

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:38

But particularly the sheer rudeness I have personally experienced from "New English". Of course it may just be me - or it may be sexism or ageism rather than racism! - but the change in attitude which occurs when they realise I am British is very noticeable.



Of course not all are like that - some are intelligent , thoughtful and perfectly nice people who learn to acclimatise culturally and some are nice and well intentioned but havent really appreciated the nature of the country they have come to - and there is not point in pretending that is an easy country and I have a lot of problems with - and are having difficulty coping.



But too many (even if still a minority) are not to put too fine a point on it bumptious bullies who to coin a phrase are "only here for the beer"

blade


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:47

Discounts are usually given in a buy one get one free situation in the uk. Usually when the retailer has purchased too much of something, wants to do a promotion or the product is going out of date.

You only get what you pay for and those that can afford to offer discounts i would consider that they must run on over inflated prices to be able to offer such.



I do find it weird that everyone looks at the TC / Turkish situation. I live in a old Tc village, when push comes to shove in an argument you will also see a divid between those born here, those who relocated from the south during the war and those who grew up elsewhere like the UK. All TC;s but from different backgrounds, and it does make a difference.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:49

A while ago I was in a shop and managed to exchange a couple of sentences of simple greeting and enquiry in Turkish and was feeling quite chuffed with myself (my Turkish is NOT good) when I stumbled over or mispronounced a word. The shopkeeper did a double take, promptly switched to English and aplogised for having mistaken me for a Turk! Actually I was quite flattered but why should he have felt I would be insulted?

Or suprised that an English person could even manage that very limited amount of Turkish?

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 18:58

Philbailey: At the risk of starting s a new hare. But is it UN resolutions or the atttitude of the EU that are the problem. And dont forget that the problems in Cyprus came to a head during British rule and that Britain was a guarantee power under the Treaty of Geneva and the British sGovernments of the time didnt exactly handle the situations well or honourably.

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 19:10

But particularly the sheer rudeness I have personally experienced from "New English". Of course it may just be me - or it may be sexism or ageism rather than racism! - but the change in attitude which occurs when they realise I am British is very noticeable.



Of course not all are like that - some are intelligent , thoughtful and perfectly nice people who learn to acclimatise culturally and some are nice and well intentioned but havent really appreciated the nature of the country they have come to - and there is not point in pretending that is an easy country and I have a lot of problems with - and are having difficulty coping.



But too many (even if still a minority) are not to put too fine a point on it bumptious bullies who to coin a phrase are "only here for the beer"

blade


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 19:31

Bizzi. your problem in the shop was that the Turkish you are learning is mainland Turkish and not the Cypriot village type Turkish. It very different. I learn from my TC friends but when i use what i have learnt with my Turkish friends they roll around laughing.

I am guessing the shop keeper was old school TC. Thats why he though he offend you, in his mind he had insulted you.

Hector


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 20:50

So no evidence then BizziLizzi, just sweeping, stereotype generalisations. When you said "Of course it may just be me - or it may be sexism or ageism rather than racism!" I think you were closer to the truth than you think.

andre514


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Posts: 763

Message Posted:
13/12/2011 22:22

message 65:



there is a powerful lot of breast beating and hand wringing on this thread,

to misquote jimi hendrix: excuse me while I puke



at one extreme there is a neo-colonial freak-out just because some cypriots/turks

are not born sympathetic to north european settlers ie british, surprise surprise



at the other extreme we are reminded the cypriots had a very hard time of it,

yet have to put up with foreigners xxxxxxx on them, also very understandable



the whole drift of this mawkish thread is difficult to deal with



I remember a pal whose one dream was to live in cornwall to basically "go native"

...he took this so far as to repeat word for word exactly how disgusting the locals

found "english" holidaymakers, probably their only source of income I guess



many postings continually big up the failed 2004 referendum but it has relevance here too

because if the only reunification is in la la land, we will all have to work pretty hard to get on

BizziLizzi


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Message Posted:
13/12/2011 23:33

Blade: I am aware of the difference between the Cypriot accent and the many Turkish ones (just as with Englsh) The problem with my accent is that I have a cloth ear and any other language I try to speak comes out with an English accent! That was why I was pleased to be understood and mistaken for ANY kind of Turkish speaker! The shopkeeper was young and I fear he thought the English expected to be treated differently from "locals"



Hector: Not sweeping generalisations, informed observation.



So you admit that some of the new Brits are sexist and ageist?. Figures. If he cap fits................

newscoop


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 00:12

Lizzi;



I think Hector was referring to you!

andre514


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 13:32

bizzilizzi:



are you for real?

andre514


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 15:40

steps 426:



the effort that has gone into your postings is considerable,

but your style looks similar to bizzilizzi...could you by any chance be related?



I think we should be told

andre514


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 18:58

bizzielizzie/steps 426/britishbuyer:



the cat has got your tongue, so we await your next clumsy effort at black propaganda with interest

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
14/12/2011 20:17

MSG 53, trncvictim; Oh what a nice person you seem. Also seems as if TRNC had a bit of luck with you. They do say "every cloud has a silver lining" I got the name right, mebbe the spelling is wrong. I met Sandra on the plane coming here for a court case. She won and was awarded the money she lost, plus £50,000. I don't know if she ever got it but she was awarded it. She used to sponsor two of KAR's dogs, mebbe still does. I do not know personally any other victim. I know there seems to be many, BUT, I do not know them. Now, what is wrong with that? Should I get all bitter about your loss, I don't know you, why should I poison my mind over your bad luck, or is it someone else's fault? You must be one of the moaners and whingers posted about on here. I do, however, thank you for your final wish, the insults I will ignore.



T

minertor



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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 20:28

msg 55> caravan to let msg53

rowlo, I had one to let, bought it off of a guy that moved here, good mate he was.

Bloody thing was on hire purchase, when I got back to UK it had been repossessed. Won't name and shame him though, he repaid what he could, left me £7,000 out of pocket. Maybe I should change my name to summatvictim and scream and shout, although I doubt anyone would be bothered.

I put it down to experience, I should have checked it out before paying. I wish my exmate well, I know he won't forget what he did.

T

rowlo



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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 20:50

msg 82 , minertor , trust no one , next time get a credit check done , or change you're name to creditvictim , lmao .

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 21:07

minertor (mess 81)



And what a nice person you are, nameing names on a public forum! who gave you the right to do that? (spelt correctly or not)!



No victim of Aga (Gary Robb) has ever received a penny in compensation whether they have been to court or not! just for your information!



I know it's not your fault, as for poisoned minds, there are many in the TRNC, and many who have escaped the TRNC!



As for whingers and moaners, mabee some whinge & moan for good reason? and mebee some whinge & moan because of idiots who don't know the consequences of their mouths!

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 21:11

rowlo (mess 83)



You always turn up on my posts! are you stalking me?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 21:12

trncvictim , maybe some are idiots , because of the consequences of they're own mouths ?

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 21:55

rowlo (mess 86)



Perhaps you should look at your mouth? before you accuse anyone else of being an idiot



How's your caravan doing? Is it stuck in the sand yet?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:00

no mate , my caravan is in the mountains , its you're head that's stuck in the sand enjoy you're holiday .

minertor



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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:11

Msg 84, from trncvictim; As for whingers and moaners, mabee some whinge & moan for good reason? and mebee some whinge & moan because of idiots who don't know the consequences of their mouths



I'll bow to your superior knowledge here, you are the expert. Especially on the mouth bit..

I wonder how Richard Smith (my son's neighbour)'s family are feeling today. Sorry DC, off track agen. Nowt to do with TRNC, but still victims.



Sandra's case was reported in Cyprus Today, and she didn't ask for her tale to be kept secret. We were strangers but she told us, and followed with a phone call, but obviously you're only concerned with yourself. Don't look for charity if you can't give it. No matter how soured you are, there's plenty worse off and much more deserving of our sympathy.

Rowlo, I'd never claim to be a "victim" I'd rather be hated than pitied. Looks like I make a good job of that eh.

Never let anyone down tho' and nobody let's me down twice. You sure look like John Lydon

T

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:15

I will rowlo! the barbi has already been lite overlooking the waves breaking over the sand!



I should watch that sand in the TRNC! it consistancy is mainly quick sand "here today gone tomorrow"

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:16

who's he then msg 89 ?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:19

enjoy , i've put some cement in my sand ,have a good one , and i mean that .

steps426


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Posts: 108

Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:23

Hey u lot clear orf and hijack sumone elses thread, andre 514 get of u r high horse I dont know anything about bizzy lizzy or any buyer but if you want 2 see some black propoganda look in a mirror lol ;)

And i think i am entitled to my views.

rowlo



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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:25

steps426 , welcome to TRNC

steps426


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:33

WHAT would u know about living in TRNC coming fromHaymarket or is it upmkt morningside with all fur coats an no kni**ers

;) ;)

TRNCvictim


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Message Posted:
14/12/2011 22:34

Thanks rowlo I will



Just for the record John Lydon got the name Johnny Rotton cos of his rotton teeth!



Takes me back to Jeannie's post about the poem "I Wish I'd Looked After Me Teeth"!



rowlo I hope your cement is good & strong! It needs to be :-(



steps426 I agree with rowlo (twice over) welcome to the TRNC

Bradus


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Message Posted:
15/12/2011 00:40

Does it matter how strong the cement is if you don't own the land it is built on?

Bradus


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Message Posted:
15/12/2011 00:51

Or come to think about it, the home you are living in and have paid in full for?

rowlo



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Message Posted:
15/12/2011 00:51

no one has told me i don't own the land it is built on ? and i have checked , thats the problem on here , so many failed , but a lot like to feel sorry for themselves , well listen , you made the bed , you lay in it , no one feels sorry for a loser , more than the loser

Bradus


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Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
15/12/2011 01:04

You don't own the land Rowlo. Putting aside that it is GC owned land, you in your own admission, do not have your TRNC deeds, so how could you legally own this land?



You keep telling others to do their homework but do you not appreciate you are at the mercy of the developer as to whether you will ever truly own the property or will simply stand in limbo until the developer WISHES to transfer deeds ?



Lets just keep our fingers crossed that he does not run into financial difficulties! Crystal balls and all?

rowlo



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Posts: 4796

Message Posted:
15/12/2011 01:12

how do you know it is GC owned land bradus ? you some kind of GC lawyer ? or just another bitter loser ? whats you're interest in who owns what ?

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
15/12/2011 02:22

No one knows who owns any land until the political stalemate tween the GCs and the TCs is sorted out.

And it won't be anytime soon!!

And stop your unpleasant comments about losers!!

Many peoples retirement lives have been wrecked because they were not sufficiently aware of the crooks in TRNC and believed, as in any civilised country, the law would protect them.

There may come a time when smug individuals will find out just how bad the situation is !!!

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
15/12/2011 13:23

msgs 97 &98

Bradus, I really smiled at these posts, then I realised you were serious.

We have been fortunate, we bought without knowing any of the pitfalls.

Too late to worry now, by the time they get to us they'll be dealing with our heirs.



msg 102 bertieboss, why would you comment on "smug individuals"

I think we all know how bad the situation can become, worrying about it won't help.

Anyway the cheap booze plays havoc with ulcers



T

Bradus


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Message Posted:
15/12/2011 15:26

Message 103,



Yes I am serious about the problems that might occur for owners without their title deeds. You only have to see the amount of memorandums to realise that this is a real problem. It is very easy to make glib remarks about not worrying about such situations but somewhat different if you are the pensioner about to be evicted or trying to raise the funds to pay off your developers debt to keep a roof over your head.



Read the messages 97 and 98 again, I am referring to not having ownership because the builder retaining the deeds continues to own the property you have paid in full for. Your house remains his assets.



Rowlo, you must do your homework. How do I know its GC? I researched the area. Its GC name is Klepini. If it was TC land wouldn't it be pre 74 Turkish Title and not sold as Exchange?