An open question re the running of this forum

oliveoil


Joined: 16/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 19:54

Once again this forum seems to show up its two faced nature, Ismet closes a thread from Jwheeler&son, for making an attack on an estate agent and bans the individual, but pi*** has been allowed to do this time and time again against company's on 44 and NOT get banned, is it because she is one of those paying Ismet's wife to bring a case against a company one wonders ?? or is it just a case of faces that fit on this board and is it being used for wrong reasons by certain people ??

I am sad that people cannot see what is going on here, and even more sad that the board owner seems to turn a blind eye on one hand and ban people for daring to question on the other.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 20:07

oliveoil

I would suggest you discuss your cocerns with Ismet direct via e-mail rather than trying to cause problems on the board. There is a lot of history involved in this one and it is better discussed directly.

Bradus


Joined: 25/02/2007
Posts: 2641

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 20:10

Sometimes its not what you are saying but how you say it.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 20:29

Oliveoil,

Freedom of expression is not a freedom to libel and slander at will. I intervened many times in the past in similar circumstances but I do not claim that I read every post, thus similar posts may escape my attention. We can only do our best.



In cases of printed newspapers there are many examples of severe penalties/compensations granted by courts against writers and newspapers. Now internet provides much greater freedom of expression by everybody and some can hide behind anonimity to escape responsibility but at least us moderators have a legal and a moral responsibility to stamp out such unethical and unacceptable behaviour. I hope you understand.

ismet

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 21:29

Once again I agree with Bradus! It's not what you say, but the way it is said, Julie comes across as being very direct, however what she says hit's the bone, and thats why no-one likes it



Julie has many reasons for saying things straight! and until you know those reasons please don't judge!



ismet



I understand your reasons for banning someone, but you are very selective! Julie hides behind nothing,plays no games, and I'm sure you know exactly how ethical & moral Mark & Hayran Unwin are?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 21:38

TRNC Victim,

I had no dealings with them so I am not in a position to comment but calling someone a thief is wrong. It is a completely different kettle of fish if you say Mr. A pocketted my item B without my permission. The first is a categorical accusation with no justification, the second is a statement of facts and you let readers decide for themselves. I am sure you can see the difference. Put youself in a responsible position and try to defend such a statement on the face of it without any access to other facts. That is exactly my position.

ismet

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 22:08

Exactly ismet! you had no dealings with Mark & Hayran Unwin! so why let some on this forum continue to say how wonderful they are? whilst some know different! apparantly they should be giving me back their commission, I still am awaiting hearing from them as to how they are sending my money back



You are in a responsible position (not me) so both sides of the Unwin Story should be told!



As I see it they owe an awful lot of money to many, many Aga Victims! and so far they have not paid back one penny to any of us, do you think they will? Mark Unwin couldn't wait for me to sign my contract, he was jumping for joy! and yet he still is advertising on this board! how responsible is that?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 23:22

Oh dear dear. If somebody writes that TRNC victim is a wonderful, generous, polite and gorgeous blonde lady, its none of my business to interfere but if somebody says she is a thief, then I do intervene. I intervene when bad things are said but not the opposite.

ismet

Isabella


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 199

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 23:23

I have thought exactly as message one on many occasions

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
23/12/2011 23:53

Well ismet I am not a thief and have never been a thief just a very ordinary uk lady neither blond (indeed very grey) and am certainly not wonderful, but was very generous with my money to Mark & Hayran Unwin who advertised Mr Robb's company (knowing full well exactly his origins) and now will neither speak to me or answer my E Mails! although I have to say I have long ago stopped trying to contact them! do you think I should try again?



Perhaps their integrity and honesty will now shine through? and they will give every Aga Victim their commission back



There is always 2 sides to every story ismet, please don't judge every book by it's cover, sometimes the reading can change opinions, perhaps Mark & Hayran are honest decent human beings and deserve to advertise on this board and are as saintly as the saints say they are, by returning all the monies they owe!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 02:55

The advertisers pay to keep the forum going

oliveoil


Joined: 16/03/2008
Posts: 58

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 08:04

Here to me is an example of selective moderation

Judy gets a ban for stating something that she says she has proof of, yet bazzagirl can get away with the following

" Goodbye FCC the most corrupt people i have ever dealt with, family company my ass, rip off company YES."



And First Consult Cyprus has a banner ad at the top of the particular page !!.

I can give literally dozens of like examples and please do not insult my intelligence by saying you dont know about them, the way the board is going there will soon be few intelligent people left just those who are allowed to slander and libel and those who toe the moderators selected line.

People are so intimidated they are afraid to post their thoughts for fear of getting banned, is this moderation or is it purely censorship.

tania


Joined: 09/12/2011
Posts: 116

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 08:37

Must admit I found it strange that one mod went on that thread and asked if 2 posters had to be so rude. Another one goes on and closes it a few posts later. Surely the rules re abuse etc. are the same for all mods to follow.

No - I am not having a go at individual mods, just that it seems to be a case of - 'If I don't like this OR this isn't right, I will close it'

Totally agree with post 12 - mambo.... got closed straight away, bazz..... still open.

Yes, I know you cannot read all the posts - but surely you can work something out between you. OR get more moderators.

Rant over for now

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 10:05

Tania,

You must appreciate that there is always some discretion when moderating. Some moderators e.g. Simbas looks at things from a more social point of view and some like me look at things from a legal angle, hence my sensitivity about libel and slander.



I am also aware that there are many posts that can be regarded as libellous but there is a difference between the odd post and the systematic ones and usually these come from those with dubious information on their profiles i.e. they make sure to be immune from court action against themselves but they leave the forum quite open for such actions.

ismet

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 10:10

Yeah what was all that about, why didn't Simbas close the thread insted of moaning about 2 other posters being rude, did she not think that message 1 was rude enough.

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 10:15

Cyprusjoker,

msg. 1 in question was simply libellous but coud it be classed as rude? I suppose you can call someone a thief in a more roundabout and polite way but that is neither here nor there. We are discussing here something else i.e. libellous posts on the forum.

ismet

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 11:24

Never the less she should have closed it just like you did. Happy Christmas.

TheSaints



Joined: 28/01/2009
Posts: 1369

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 12:43

Msg #10



Do not put words to my name I have never said that they are "saintly as you put it.



I merely stated that WE had no problem at all with our purchase through Unwin's the same has been said by others on previous threads too.



I am well aware that other people have had problems with the builders that they had deals with that were brokered by Unwin's and some other agents too but as they have the right to voice their experience with the agent/broker so do I.



People still do not accept that an agent is only a facilitator who brokers a deal between client and vendor they can not control the builder.



Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all and to those that have found themselves having property problems let's hope that 2012 is the year that your issues get resolved.



Mike

karakum5c



Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 1021

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 13:18

if this forum allows comments to be posted that a newspaper wouldnt print ,its only a matter of time before one of the people on the receiving end goes to court and has this forum closed.



if i was on the receiving end of these comments i would do this.



this forum does a lot of good for a lot of people.



i do not want it closed down because of a few people trying to settle a score at the expense of the many.

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 14:41

Ismet



Sometimes you cannot win even when you are right. I enjoy your input into Cyprus 44 on the many subjects published and respect your point of view. Keep up the good work.



I wish you and your family and all on Cyprus 44 a Happy Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.

cyprusjoker


Joined: 29/08/2009
Posts: 1107

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 14:45

Good post Karakum5c, well said

metininkibris


Joined: 12/12/2011
Posts: 86

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 14:50

and what about pinky and perky attacking members?



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/82078.asp Message 9 of 30 in Discussion & again in Message 14 of 30 in Discussion and again in Message 30 of 30 in Discussion.

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 16:36

It can't have been much of a libel, 2 Mod's decided to leave the post and follow ups on the board for all to read!



We know posts/threads can be deleted, did the Mods in question want to be seen "Moderating"? Was that more important to them than doing the right thing?

elko2



Joined: 24/07/2007
Posts: 4400

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 21:25

Giles,

So calling someone a thief "can't have been much of a libel". I respect your knowledge of the law and hope to learn a great deal from you. Keep up the good work

ismet

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 21:29

Merry Xmas to all the posters who have contributed to the forum during 2011.

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 22:08

ismet (mess 24)



What law are you talking about TRNC law it's laughable and I for one certainly don't respect it!





Bubbles Burst, and there are many liars within the TRNC? and I don't consider Julie a liar! just another victim, who speaks her/his mind!



I hope you all have a peaceful Christmas

steps426


Joined: 05/12/2011
Posts: 108

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 22:24

trncvictim

Amen to that

Have a very good Christmas and I sincerely hope that 2012 is a better one for victims everywhere, this may well take a while to appear as my posts seem to be getting held back - wonder why ?

Giles


Joined: 16/08/2011
Posts: 256

Message Posted:
24/12/2011 22:51

Ismet, Re message 24, why the sarcasm? The point I was making is that you clearly did not consider it a serious libel, as YOU decided to leave it in the public domain.



It is clear you have no formal legal training.



PS. Merry Christmas, to our "most helpful member"