Moderators powers - again

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 09:26

Izzet you make considerable income from this site and it is in your interest to make sure it does not implode, and you have given moderator powers to a goodly number of contributors, some who leave people including me gasping in amazement, some who had powers on other boards, some whose postings have been covered in inuendo, these people have now got the power to delete posts at the flick of a switch so to speak, at least let us know publicly on board which moderator deleted a particular post then we will be able to build up a picture of what is happening





''Respect The Moderators

Moderators have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board.

Moderators do not need to explain their actions. Do not complain about this.''

McSteviet



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1089

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 09:32

Why do you need to know this?



Either you accept moderation or you don't.



I can only see that this request serves to undermine.



Mc

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 09:34

What was the post that was deleted?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:21

I am afraid the mods message on msg 1 stinks of dictatorship.



I am happy to be moderated, have had personal moderatrion on other forums, but this is not acceptable.



To avoid confrontation, because this is what you have set up. I request the mod concerned removes this comment.

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 12:45

cyprusishome - the comment on the first message is a direct copy from the Forum Rules.



As it says, if you think it 'stinks of dictatorship', then please contact Izzet - off board - and discuss it with him, as they are his rules.



ltd

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:00

The word Arrogance springs to mind msg1

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:41

Surely there is no harm in a moderator putting their name to a deleted or altered post, what harm does it do and if they have nothing to hide why not

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:45

If the reason for the alteration or deletion is not patently obvious, i.e personal attack, racist, etc then people will naturally wonder why the post was moderated, if the mods don,t feel comfortable putting their name on the board then perhaps the courtesy of an email to the member concerned could be the answer.



Moderators do not need to explain their actions, do not complain about this, hardly diplomatic is it.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:49

You would think it would be against the board rules to have two identities, on one thread on this board, someone has changed their identity.

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:50

this is just getting silly,i thought that the purpose of the moderators was to stop personal attacks and abuse aimed at other forum members,but now they

(moderators) would appear to be deleting anything they dont agree with. an

explanation, as to why the post has been deleted i think would be welcome, for all to see.what we need from the moderators, is just a little common sense

and not a blanket ban on post,s that they dont like for what ever reason. i think izzet, has enough to do, without checking his e/m,s all the time to make judgements, on censorship,this i thought was why we had the new, moderators

in the first place.freedom of speech yes,verbal abuse no.the moderators have a

difficult job to do,but it should be done in moderation.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:51

Calm down, it was only a couple of weeks ago that people were crying out for moderators. Oh how fickle we can be.

P

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 13:57

''Respect The Moderators

Moderators have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board.

Moderators do not need to explain their actions. Do not complain about this.''







Of course moderators should explain their actions.

Boredhousewife for one has a history of banning members on another board by been judge,jury and executioner and then having to apologise for getting it wrong.

She has already proved she cannot handle the 'power'

Explaining your actions before hand avoids the 'act now,think later' metality.

Harlequin


Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 346

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 14:01

Aren't people taking it all a bit too seriously. Surely the purpose of bulletin boards is entertainment.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 14:03

cruggs. I'm in agreement with you on this.



We need some transparency when a post is deleted. The Moderator needs to clarify why a particular post has been deleted.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 14:06

Britvic,



I requested the change of one member one ID as I felt that it was undermining the integrity of the board to have people arguing both sides just to upset people...



Now, I have to say they I knew Dodger and Newlad were one and the same but my problem was not with him as he only uses his split personality in a humorous way..



It was with the suspicion that others were not being anything other than duplicitous in their use of this board's latitiude to further an agenda/ outwith the aim and intentions of this forum...



OH, And I don't mean PP. Who may be many things but I don't believe him to have more than one ID on this or any other board...



We rely on the honesty of posters to say what they truly think not what will cause the most grief...



I also requested the new limit on the number of times items for sale could be sent BTTT.. not too rigid mind I might want to sell something! ;¬)

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 16:52

post,s are being deleted, for what would appear to be for no rhyme or reason,

other than the moderator,he or she,feels that it has infringed,the forum rules.

should we accept this without question,or expect an explanation.i think the latter.with an explanation we can then understand why the post was deleted

in the first place.this then gets rid of any dought,s as to why it was deleted.

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 16:55

Seems to me that you cannot make everyone happy. A couple of weeks ago this forum got totally out of control and everyone was screaming out for a moderator to do something. Action has been taken.



I have not had to use my moderator powers as of yet and would certainly not abuse them. If I were to delete a post, I would edit all the text from it (so the message number would still be there and make a moderator note to say why this has been done (with my name on it too). Surely this has to be the fairest way to deal with it. This would then make my actions answerable to the whole forum. We must get away from any cloak and dagger situations and have total trust or we are just going to end up with a them and us situation.



So to round it all up. If I edit something, you will know it was me!!



Now it's up to the other moderators to follow.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:00

Andy



It's what I have been doing in the limited number of cases I've done anything or in one case I emailed the parties concerned.



Harold

AndyP



Joined: 18/04/2008
Posts: 517

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:10

Good on ya Harold.



Was not having a dig but getting fed up reading message from members that are concerned.



Anyway, thats both of us off the hook!!!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:11

Harold/Andy

I think that is all people are asking for, it is not too much to ask for surely.

Hopefully the other moderators will take the same view and perhaps then some of the unpleasantness will go away, if they don,t I think this will rattle on for a while yet.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:22

It really is easy see this link



http://www.cyprus44.com/forums/rules.asp



If you do not like what you read then do not post on here.



Izzet has done his best for neigh on 2 years this board has done great and I am sure that with forebearance and moderation in moderation it will continue to flourish.



Having said this rules is rules obey then or suffer THE BIG M

JamesB


Joined: 07/02/2007
Posts: 450

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:26

I must be getting old. I remember this forum when it didn't need moderating.

Jb

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:28

I agree with your post Nige. If you don't like the rules then don't post. The rules are not that bad anyway.

I suppose you could compare posting to a game of football. If you break the rules of the game then you are 'yellow' carded. If you break it again it's a 'red' and you are off my son!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:29

Nigel

Do your comments include those you have made on other boards, not only the ones regarding you being moderated, out of order is the phrase you used I believe.

And what of the personal remarks made about some of the moderators/members on this board and other sites they may have registered on, are they not personal remarks.

Kettle and black spring to mind.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:35

I want to be moderated! I feel left out. Now let me see.........Ah, yes. I hate Bill more than anybody else in the World. Yup, that should do it!



(can't do smileys)

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:36

Andy Parish is the most open moderator on here...and IMHO the fairest and most honest...



Question..how many of the mods actually live here?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:37

Where are the Moderators! Get this man out of here. Rob's after you Geoff - you want to be careful.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:37

Chessman ....who is bill lol

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:38

My ex.mate. Oh, I forgot Rob. Not you though dee!

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:40

Hattikins



You put what ever slant you wish on anything if you can not or choose not to see i was trying to be even handed so be it, as for remarks about some of the moderators ( plural ) i think if you read again a comment has been made about 1 mod and his activaties as part of an orchastrated cyber bully gang the history is there in cyber space for all to see.



Enjoy.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 17:40

Can't we all put an end to this Moderator nonsense. It practically pop's up every day. Let's all move on. If you don't like the rules then don't post, it's really simple.



Moderators can you get rid of Geoff - chessman, before Rob kills him, otherwise you'll have blood on your hands!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:06

Huh, no chance Bill. dee will come to my rescue!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:20

I see what you're doing Geoff, you forming a gang. It won't work you know, we'll get a bigger gang. Where's Rob when you need him!



By the way Geoff you do a smiley by doing a colon and then ) -

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:35

Well said the one or two who are now beginning to put the pieces together

I have no problems with the many many people on this and other boards who are genuine good posters with no malice aforethought but the one or two need to be weeded out and names are now beginning to be mentioned however I will not bore you all with details just now

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:39

hi chessman can i be in your gang please

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:43

I shall say this once and only once ...................





I am the leader I am the leader of the gang I am doyou wana be in my gang my gang oh yea......

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:44

AndyP: "If I were to delete a post, I would edit all the text from it (so the message number would still be there and make a moderator note to say why this has been done (with my name on it too). Surely this has to be the fairest way to deal with it. This would then make my actions answerable to the whole forum."



A moderator who talks sense! Of COURSE this is the best and only way to do it. I may stand to be corrected, but if the plethora of mods we now have among us didn't even have a briefing to include this or something like it, we have a BB equivalent of the TRNC - utterly disorganised, chaotic, nobody taking responsibility for their actions and only a handful of people showing any talent.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:54

we have a BB equivalent of the TRNC - utterly disorganised, chaotic, nobody taking responsibility for their actions and only a handful of people showing any talent.



Honestly Pike,

You were talking sense at first, why did you have to spoil the tone of the post by the above comparison, everyone knows how you feel about TRNC but please, don,t let it colour every post you make, it doesn't do you any favours.

Graham


Joined: 20/10/2007
Posts: 397

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 18:58

Message 38



Post of the day



Graham

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:03

Cheers Graham. Ain't it true.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:35

On the posts which i have had the occasion to delete , i have issued a warning , and if deleted , i have offered an explanation on why i deleted that post . Its there for all to see . If you want to know who moderated a post , then i too will be happy to put my name to it . I do have to say though , before the recent furore , moderators were not a problem . I understand that two moderators were away at the same time , so the fact is , that they could'nt do anything at that time to alleviate the problems anyway .

regards Patricia

cruggs


Joined: 06/04/2008
Posts: 498

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:37

andyp and harold2555, thank you for your reply and honesty on this matter

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:38

msg 42: "On the posts which i have had the occasion to delete , i have issued a warning , and if deleted , i have offered an explanation on why i deleted that post . Its there for all to see"



Hmmm.



On the other hand...

stewy


Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 279

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:39

Two secret moderators have increased to 12 some of whom seem to be power crazy.



The system has gone mad.

simbas



Joined: 16/07/2007
Posts: 5943

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 19:45

msg 44 , If you can remember quite awhile back i said i would not respond to any of your posts , and i never have .But i find myself having to respond to your comment for none other reason than clarification ." On the other hand " please explain yourself

Simbas

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 22:49

Yet again THE (UNSTA)ABLE SEAMAN has to bring everything down to a political level.



No wonder you are under Care in the Community. Has your Docyor allowed you to go outside yet?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 22:56

Can we not obliterate the Moderator thread.I have of late, wherefore I know not, lost all of my mirth. And indeed, it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame here seems to me a sterile promontory; this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'er-hanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appeareth nothing to me but a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours. What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason! How infinite in faculties! How like an angel in apprehension, how like a God! The beauty of the world, paragon of animals! And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me: no, nor women neither. Nor women neither. Only thou Moderator, oh thy brave and only Moderator.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:01

Easy for you to say No1

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:02

It had to be said turtle, there was no other way. Thank you for your support, I know you'll always be there for me.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:07

stewy you appear to be stewing.

"Two secret moderators have increased to 12 some of whom seem to be power crazy.







The system has gone mad."

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:10

No1. You defo lost it tonight!!!!!!



What you say looks like something those mad Scots say on 25th January, total nonesense!!!!!



If you mean, let us leave moderators alone then the answer is no. Until that is they get together and become a joint force for evil against the wicked posters!!!!!



Or something like that! LOLOL

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:11

My dog went mad and we all know what happened to him

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:15

Stop this farcical nonsense.

I want you to get up right now, sit up, go to your windows, open them and stick your head out and yell - 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Then we'll figure out what to do about this moderating nonsense but first get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick your head out, and yell, and say it:

"I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!"

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:17

Oh! For Christ's sake - give it a bleedin' rest - the lot of you!

J

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:19

J

Don't worry it keeps them of the streets.

Take care

AJ

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:20

The-Wicks - J. You are right. It's time to rest our weary heads. A new dawn awaits us and we will breathe new breath.



I'm off out.

Rotaciser


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:28

What do you say, when they say you are mad, when you are not Mad ?

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:30

No 1. I am sure you must have read one of the all time classics - Catch 22.



You sure fit the profile!!!!!!!!!



If you have not read it then get a copy and do so!!!!



Classic piece of satire I will try to present.



WW2 and a patient in hospital bandaged from head to toe. Drip feed at one end and catheter feeding into jar at the other.



Nurses come and fluff up pillows. One takes full bottle at bottom of bed, other takes empty at other end and.......... exchange!!!!!!!!



And they say posting on these forums is crazy!!!!!!



OOPPPPSSSS Sorry Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Mod just a bit of fun guv.

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:41

piffle i say's



oops moderated again





this is doing no good, mod hee hee

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:51

mickey

I will have some of what you are on, thats if you can remember of course.

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:52

Re: Message 13.



I havent had a computer for the last week so am just catching up.



Gooligan I just want to explain to you the situation with the TBV owners forum. I was asked to be the assistant regarding members on that forum. All the owners on that forum said they only wanted "owners" and no-one else. I was advised to ask everyone who wanted to join a few simple questions suggested by the manager of that forum to which I did. I also then asked people kindly to fill out their details of who they were and which apartment they owned so every other owner could see who their neighbour was and get to know them. Some people chose to not do this. It was then bought to my attention that SM were on the board so I then sent out another request asking people to fill out their details otherwise I would have no choice to delete them to try and filter out SM's membership. This was all above board. I just wonder why people ignored this simple request I made and hence some people got deleted ..

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:56

Sorry mickey.

I forgot to ask one question with reference to your sweeping statement in message No.1.



"Izzet you make considerable income from this site".

Is that just supposition or based on facts that you are party to?

AJ

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:57

...and then rejoined and apologised for not having filled in their details and after I explained the situation were happy. I apologised to you for deleting you but had explained because you hadnt completed your details we were filtering out non-owners. I was only going by the wishes of most of the owners that had responded on the forum to a question "do you want this an open forum or owners only" and the majority said yes keep it to owners. Hopefully you will understand the situation I was in in trying to contain all private information private which was a very difficult task hence why I handed it over to Beverley because I was fed up with a few people constantly moaning!

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
09/12/2008 23:59

I hope that's nice and plain to you all, so like good little posters, off to bed now and no more nonsense.



I'm worn out with all this moderating!



What about a Christmas collection for the Moderators for a nice present?



Donations gratefully received.



Lem

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 00:10

Lem,



Stand back and I will let you have your pressie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Splash!



Did you know our old friend MM is back on board. Read his early bits on VO and sounds like he and Veta have had a real mare!! Just wish them luck.



I know some love to hate MM and ES and PP etc but those who have met them know different.



Back to it. As a mod of course you are the enemy and as such I hate you!!!!



PS - I plead guilty. E-mail if you wish, how is other half and that tearaway kid of yours.

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 06:06

Alsan

It does not take brain of Britain, just someone with a modicum of intelligence to see the amount of advertisers on this site and to look at the tarriffs charged by Izzet for advertising to see that he in his guise of travel agent makes considerable income from it

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 08:21

message 62 & 64 by your own admission you made a mess so why not do the honourable thing and leave the moderating to others, you do usually flit and chop and change to suit situations as your history on AN other board has proved

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 08:35

I think Izzet needs to explain to the new mods what 'being light on the tiller' means..



It seems that petty moderating is the order of the day... The trouble with this is going to be that they won't 'spot the wood for the trees' i.e they are going to miss another attack by a BB bully because they are too busy micro-managing us all...



The lack of a 'report this post' facility appears to be the real problem.. so maybe there should be a central email account that the mods have access to so that they can pick up complaints timeously

cooper


Joined: 23/10/2007
Posts: 3386

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 08:43

Beware big brother is watching you !! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xl88nUIE30



Cooper

gooligan


Joined: 30/01/2007
Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 10:55

BHW,lets get one thing straight.You deleted me from another board after listening to tittle tattle on this board.

You say that,and I quote "All the owners on that forum said they only wanted "owners" and no-one else."

Thats not entirely true is it.It was a handfull as well you know.

Thae fact remains that you have proved in the past you ban members first,ask questions later.

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 11:11

Groucho



A 'Report post' facility was one of the things that I suggested to Izzet. Hopefully this will happen soon, and things will get back to normal??



ltd

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 11:20

Message 66



Thank you David. I know MM has had a rough time of it both with his illness and the visa problems Veta has had.



Wife and Ethan both doing fine, I've got a new grandson who is just over a year old and is a little pickle. Him and Ethan are roughly developmentally the same age.



Still plodding on in the Department dishing out National Insurance numbers to Poles and Bulgarians, nothing ever seems to change.



Take care and keep posting.



Lem

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 11:58

"Still plodding on in the Department dishing out National Insurance numbers to Poles and Bulgarians, nothing ever seems to change. "



Lem,



Am I picking up on a bit of xenophobia? Is it only Poles and Bulgarians?



Better surely that they have National Insurance numbers so that they can contribute to the tax revenue of the country than become part of the black economy?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 12:35

Black Economy! Is'nt that a different thread started by Nige?

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 13:09

Gooligan people emailed me off board so you would not have read everyone's comments. There were about 3/4 people who thought maybe it might be an idea to have SM on board but the majority posted on and off board saying absolutely no. You were one of the few that decided not to respond to one question (in fact I asked it a few times) "please please could people fill in their details"! It was then after reading someone making out you werent an owner that I took the decision to delete your membership which I feel was fairly done. It was only then that you contacted me. Punk Rocker I never messed up the other board I was only ever dealing with memberships and did as I was requested to do. I am no IT boff like Beverley is and therefore Beverley is more able and has done a great job of re-arranging things, making things easier to view etc etc. That was never something I was asked to do so I cant see why you want to say I messed the other board up or do you have a motive? ........

Notsoboredhw


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 1254

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 13:11

....Punk - I thought you wanted to have a glass of wine with me last time.....has that changed??? LOL

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 13:28

no ,they give two n.i numbers to the germans.

well they did for my sister-in-law,lol.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 13:41

Fire Starter



That must have been Glasgow, our sister office. There's only 2 Nino Distribution Centres in Britain, one in Glasgow, the other on the Isle of Wight.



Lem

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 13:50

who deals with people from london?

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 14:19

The point is, If a post is really offensive to the majority then it should be taken off, if it is just something petty an taken off, then new threads start asking, where, why, when.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 14:55

Message 80. Definitely Glasgow.



Lem

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 21:54

Mickey

Ref your message No.67

An easy assumption to make but my guess is you have no knowledge of what Izzet spends or receives from his business interests. So your comments are not valid.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 22:30

What Izzet earns from running this forum is irrelevant to any thread and is of no business to anybody.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 22:34

Bill... it is of some business to Izzet...



As Izzet declared that he did make a small return on his time and investment I guess it's in the public domain but I don't really see that it's all that relevant..



It's a bit like a newspaper being asked to run an article criticising their biggest advertiser... it's going to take a lot of thinking about.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 22:41

Gavin, You are quite right Izzet did 'declare' that he made a sum of money for running this forum - which we all knew anyway. However I do feel that it really is none of our business and to bring the subject up in the context of this bloody moderator situation is irrelevant.

I feel that some people are out to get Izzet and damage the forum any which way they can. Clearly I exclude you from that group.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 23:34

Groucho: "It's a bit like a newspaper being asked to run an article criticising their biggest advertiser... it's going to take a lot of thinking about."



But in a few honourable cases it has been done. That was in the days when we had feckin' advertisers.

punk rocker


Joined: 24/07/2008
Posts: 152

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 01:38

Alsan,

you are a 'mod' one of the people who is tasked with the decent running of this board yet you attack Mickey R for stating something that Izzet himself did make public, I think the point mickey was trying to make is that Izzet needs to be careful who he makes mods on his board as they , not all mind, are in a great way, being put in charge of something that has a value to him so they can do his business interest a lot of harm, IMHO you should not have responded like that as a moderator, and you do not KNOW if points are valid or not.

Again IMHO 'mods' should not be contentious and should be there for all to see, not hiding behind masks, and again IMHO anyone who asks to be a 'mod' is likely to have a bit of a craving to be a power junkie, only In My Humble Opinion though.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 09:13

Punk,



I did advise that Izzet should have immediately discounted anybody who nominated themselves... as a sort of joke - but there is, I'm beginning to feel, an element of truth...



Umpires and Referees don't take free kicks or penalties; "that's just not fair... miss!" ;¬)



I don't think I've had a post moderated excepted where it was within a thread that has been removed in toto... but I still feel like they are sitting waiting to pounce.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 13:02

yes i have no problem with izzet, but this moderator thing is not unbias.



about a month ago, i was being slandered by a new poster, i had a good idea who this was anyway.

a moderator sat back and watched this and did nothing.

i contacted izzet and asked him to let me watch the poster for a day or so before dealing with it. which he did.

the poster thinking they had got away with it carried it on to another level, thats when i asked izzet to deal with it.

why did the first moderator not deal with it, when it happened there and then?

it was probably to their benefit to sit , watch and laugh.

i have no intentions of saying anymore about the matter, but i'm not stupid enough to have not noticed.

Val44


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 210

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 14:36

When a discussion turns into a fight. The moderators should step in and stop it. However some of the moderators just join in the fight and make it worse??

They can read on the net how to moderate a forum. Some do not have a clue.



Val xx

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 15:17

Val44

Come on then tell us all how to moderate.

Yawn.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 15:21

AJ. Why take the bait? This moderating things going on forever.

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 15:47

No1

Not taking the bait, I am the one doing the fishing.

"This moderating things going on for ever"

Do not agree, a lot of the usual suspects have decided to drop out.

Val44 I have a proposition for you, Email me.

AJ

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 18:53

AJ,



I honestly though that after all your years on these forums, you of all people should know you are being set up.



I refused the job because it is an impossible one to do in the eyes of some and I just do not have the patience to list to a load of garbage that you may well have to do. Not pointing to anyone folks just a potential excample.



Until all the mods get together be it on Skype, messenger or whatever and thrash out a common policy this thread and all succesive ones will continue to snipe.



To be a GOOD moderator you have got to ignore comments as above, despite your inner feelings. Unfortunatley you have also got to remain fairly neutral on all issues.



My opinion of course but also as a systems analyst and manager you have all got to get out the pen and paper and come to some simple conclusions to present to the forum. Going to mean work, yes, but ultimatley it WILL save each mod a lot more work.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 19:35

o m god the loonies are in charge of the asylum..........

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 19:56

msge 95



shame you declined. you would be a perfect moderator

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 20:25

I do hope you will take your tongue out of cheek asap!!!! LOLOL





Nige - of course the loonies are in charge, it is only us few sane people that keep the country operating!!

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:09

cyprusishome

"I honestly though that after all your years on these forums, you of all people should know you are being set up."



Just don't worry, I can handle myself. I can give as good as I get and being a mod should not stop me from being able to reply to any postings as long as I do not break the BB rules.

As far as I am concerned freedom of speech and the right to reply on this board is why I post. I will uphold the rules of the board and if anyone thinks that I am breaking the rules then after consultation with Izzet then I will relinquish my role as mod.

I will not modify my behaviour on this board and unfortunately people will have to accept me as I am.

Enjoy your evening

AJ

Val44


Joined: 14/11/2008
Posts: 210

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:17

AJ You are not there to give as good as you get.



Thats my point. You are always stepping in to argue. Read the numerous forums available on the web. That way you might be able to do your job adequately. But somehow I doubt it. You are too busy trying to prove yourself and how much wiser you are than the rest of us.



Val xx

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 07:57

Msg 99..



As far as I am concerned freedom of speech and the right to reply on this board is why I post. I will uphold the rules of the board and if anyone thinks that I am breaking the rules then after consultation with Izzet then I will relinquish my role as mod.



Can I have that in blood please

mickey rourke


Joined: 27/08/2008
Posts: 157

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 08:17

I started this topic merely as a way of pointing out what could happen and exactly what I was pointing out IS what is happening, Anyone charged with a position as a monitor should be above reproach and should be open enough to put their name to any monitored posts, look at the add on to the original post, as others have said it stinks of dictatorship,



moderators do not need to explain their actions, do not complain about this



Oh yes we will



Who for example wrote this ??

livethedream


Joined: 12/04/2007
Posts: 455

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 08:59

mickey - please read message 6.



Nobody ''wrote'' it - the words are a direct copy of the forum rules, issued by Izzet, who is the person you should be directing your comments to - off board, as it says in the rules.



ltd

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 09:31

I cant believe the energy and time wasted on this thread.

If you are going to be a legit poster, then why are you so worried about being moderated.

Stick to the rules and topics. 103 postings regarding who or what the moderators should or should not be doing.

What a waste of energy.

Can we please move on, if you have an issue with one of your postings being edited or deleted then you can address it.

In the meantime give them a chance and move on to subjects that people will be interested in reading.

It is also no ones business what Izzet is earning, what does that have to do with anything? you are free to post or not or move on. Nosy busy bodies.

I will not be reading any more posts on this thread so if anyone wishes to respond it will fall on deaf ears.