Death with Dignity?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 15:03

Tonight on primetime TV a retired professor, Craig Ewert, dies in an 'assisted suicide'. Mr Ewert aged 59 is filmed turning off his ventilator and taking a lethal dose of drugs washed down with apple juice. His wife is by his side.



Should this be allowed to be shown on TV? Is'nt this THE most private moment. Are we that desperate for entertainment that we have to put death on TV?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 15:18

No1 Doyen

Yes I do think that this should be brought to our attention, I had my Dearest friend (39) who died with this Degenerative disease, Motor Neurone, and I watched and helped her for the worst 2 years of our lives, she was a clever woman and knew exactly what was happening and how it would end, and she signed a living will so that they didn't prolong it any longer and withheld any more treatment, people should have the Choice, its our life and our bodies, who has the right to say you must suffer.

smithy

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 16:22

Agree with you 100% smithy about it is our body we should have the choice,but dont think it is necessary to show him commiting suicide on prime time TV.....

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 16:47

I'm in favour of Euthanasia, but not on TV.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 16:51

I am also in favour of death with dignity, especially in cases like this but I don't feel the need to watch it on TV, so guess what, I won't. We all have a choice & I'm going to exercise mine, just taking it out for a walk now.

P

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 17:03

Paul, taking it out for a walk - Who/What?

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 17:08

Exercising my choice!!!!!!!

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 17:09

Bill I know it's a serious subject, just trying to lighten it a little.

P

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 17:10

NO1DOYEN



MESSAGE 6 - FORGIVE HIM - I THINK HE MEANS HIS CHOICE - I.E. "EXERCISING HIS CHOICE"



MY APOLOGIES ON HIS BEHALF - HE'S OBVIOUSLY HAVING A QUIET DAY AT WORK!

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 17:16

AAAHHH - now I get it - I was getting a bit worried about him

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:22

I wonder how many people will watch it, and then complain.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:25

I am all in favour of "assisted suicide" if that is that persons choice. As to whether it should be on T.V. is a somewhat moot point and I certainly wouldn't watch it. However the person involved clearly feels he has a message to put across by doing this and maybe if it comforts someone who is contemplating the same course of action it is not up to me to critisize.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:27

I should just like to add that I lost my Mother 2 days ago to Brain Cancer ( as well as elsewhere) but recently due to the Cancer it was like she was on another planet. Had she have asked me to help her end it I would have done!!!!!!!!!!.As it is she died peacefully in her sleep.

Cruella


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 63

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:28

As a nation the Brits are kinder to animals than people!

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:37

I WATCHED MY MUM DIE OF MND A FEW YEARS AGO. AS CRUELLA SAYS, IF AN ANIMAL WERE DESPERATELY ILL, WITH NO HOPE, IT WOULD BE PUT TO SLEEP. ANY OTHER COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE DEEMED CRUEL.

J

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:47

Mrs Wicks posts are in upper case because our laptop is only allowing us to type in upper case, mine at work however is fine.

P

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 18:54

hi gibson335, i am so very sory for your loss, its never a good time but this time of year makes it all so awful. it must had beeen dreadful for you having to watch her become somebody else and i only hope and i pray my kids will never have to see me become like that. my deep condolences

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 19:01

GIBSON, SINCERE CONDOLENCES ON THE LOSS OF YOUR MUM. SADLY, WE LOST A FRIEND TO BRAIN CANCER, AMONG OTHER CANCERS, LAST WEEK. SHE WAS ONLY IN HER 40'S AND LEAVES 4 CHILDREN, 2 OF WHICH ARE VERY YOUNG. THE LAST MONTHS OF HER LIFE WERE TRULY AWFUL, BUT SHE MANAGED TO HANG ON TO SEE HER ELDEST DAUGHTER MARRIED. VERY TRAGIC.

J

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 19:07

Thank you for your comments but the last time I saw her (July) she was at least compos mentis ,just went downhill very very quickly. She was 82 so at least a longish life unlike the lady in her 40's.



The point I was making though was like Cruella say's we put animals out of their misery and suffering, why can't we do the same for people

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 19:52

GIBSON - YES - SEE MY MESSAGE NO 15

REGARDS

J

Groucho



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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 20:02

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman



Well it needs to be made victim proof if we are to avoid another Dr Death...



I support choice, I don't support single point of failure assisted suicides. So I think at least three medically trained counsellors should be involved to make sure there is no duress from a relative... Maybe it should also be a rule that no substantial beneficiary should be allowed to assist...

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 21:28

I would surely think Groucho that the organisation concerned in this case would have those points well and truly covered. they wont any comebacks would they...

The-Wicks


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Message Posted:
10/12/2008 21:39

Coachie - I'm a strong believier in dying with dignity, and take on board your points. You would hope so, wouldn't you, but it seems to me that these days, you probably can't be too careful.

J

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
10/12/2008 22:24

hi the Ws i am so very sorry to hear that i lost my baby sister the same way on my birthday last year, its all so sad but i have to agree with grouch and the others if our time comes and we are able to make a choice then that is our and ours alone. you know i worked for a national charity and helped with the introduction of the donor card which gave the donor the choice and took the pain away from the family in the time of need, maybe something like that could be in place, i know there is a living will but not sure how it works. at least your friend saw her daughter married guess thats what she hung on for. you take good care of yourselves and each other xxxx

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
11/12/2008 09:45

Did anyone watch the televised programme last night?

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 10:13

No1 Doyen I Watched it on U tube this morning, I think it was all very dignified, and was not traumatic to watch, he went peaceful,

I watched my dearest friend die with MND and I can assure you he died in peace not like my friend, who ended up choking,

As I said before its our bodies and we should not have some doctors telling us we will make you as comfortable as can be, we should be able to decide when enough is enough

smithy

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
11/12/2008 10:48

smithy - my Aunt died of MND a couple of years ago. It's a terrible disease to have. I think I would be prepared to take my own life if I had that. Very sad.

smithy


Joined: 17/07/2008
Posts: 5301

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 11:01

I'm sorry to hear about your Aunt, its so sad to watch people you care about go through this, the goodies who vote against Euthanasia obviously have not been through it,

I think we should all be very proud of the dignified Mr. Craig Ewert, may he now be at peace.

smithy

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 11:18

my condolences to everyone who has lost someone.



i have made my views clear with my hubby so that in the event something like this happens to me, he knows how i would like to end my life.

it would be my choice right to the end.

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 17:32

always said that when i go, i'm going with the Co-Op......



Never did me Grandad Joe and harm.....





Nick

No1Doyen


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Message Posted:
26/12/2008 22:10

Do they still give stamps?

Lemtich



Joined: 15/02/2007
Posts: 1487

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 22:49

I want to die like my dear old dad, peacefully in his sleep,



and not like the passengers in the bus he was driving at the time,



screaming in fear and terror just before they hit that petrol tanker!



Lem