Pets to the UK part 2

blade


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 12:30

To sort out any confusion:

Currently the only approved routes from Cyprus listed with DEFRA are from the south.

This doesn't mean that you can't travel from the TRNC to another country, then enter the UK from there.

You do need to enter the UK with a authorised carrier / route.

You can either travel with TRNC / third country paperwork or a pet passport if it has been kept up to date.

There has also been some confusion with vets advice, so i would suggest that until everyone is up to speed. If you are looking to take your pet back to the UK or EU use the DEFRA helpline on their website to check what your pet needs. As it is becoming increasingly clear that not everyone has the same paperwork and that different people need to do different things to get their pet ready.

I have had confirmed that KAR do indead have a UK registered carrier/ route. Hopefully someone would be kind enought to help them update their website shortly, so that it also displays the correct info.

rowan


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 13:06

perhaps you could help them

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 13:41

Thank you Blade. Hopefully now all those posting here about what the changes the UK made on the 1.1.2012 mean to people wanting to move animals from here to the UK are giving essenstialy the same correct advise and thus the confusion surrounding this issue and the distress that confusion has caused can be reduced or removed going forward.



With the objective of creating clarity a few additional points re blade's post.



Things that were not possible before the UK changes re moving animals from here to the UK are now possible, even though there is not yet an approved carrier that can go from the TRNC to the UK direct.



The legitimate way to take an animal from here to the UK, that has no previous EU pet passport is to meet the requirments on the defra website for an animal comming from a non EU non listed country. All the testing and paperwork requirments can be legally done here in the TRNC localy [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 13:50

the step 6 requirment that the animal must enter the UK via an approved carrier / route can be met legaly by travelling from here to a third country where you then transfer onto an approved carrier / route.



An alternative to getting and using 'third country paperwork' (TRNC paperwork) would be to get an EU pet passport, or use one the animal may already have. However this is not a totaly legitimate means in that this has to be done via the RoC and because the animal can not physicaly be taken to the RoC it requires some 'fudging'. Even for animals that already have an EU pet passport, there is still an issue in that the blood test requirments when using an EU pet passport require that the results are entered onto the EU pet passport and this is not something a TRNC vet can do. Only an EU registered vet can enter the test results onto and EU Pet passport, so again this requires some 'fudging' via a RoC vet. [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 14:00

And finally just some points about KAR.



To be as clear as possible, KAR does not have approved route /carrier status as KAR. KAR has and is organising the overland transport of animals from the TRNC to the UK, taking advantage of the new possibilites now allowed after the UK changes. All the KAR animals travelling this way to the UK have had the necessary paperwork and tests done as per the DEFRA rules for animals comming from a non EU non listed country. That is it has all been done here in the TRNC legitimately. They are then using a private specialist company, that is DEFRA approved, to transport those animals to the UK. Because the transport is overland and thus via numberous third countries (that have approved routes) the issue of the current lack of an approved route direct from the TRNC to the UK does not arise.



Finally as for the KAR website and the information on it this is, to me a sperate issue. [cont]

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 14:07

From a cursory scan of the information on the KAR website and I stress cursory, the information there is as far as I can see correct. There is an issue over one specific point re 'can animals be brought from the South to the North'. In practice and since the demise of CTA (cyprus turkish airlines) this has been possible. However the TRNC vet department allowing this is a special dispensation that was a result of CTA ceasing to operate and it whilst it is being allowed now, it may not be allowed in the future. THat is it has not been defined in legislation as possible but is in fact at the discretion of the TRNC vetinary department. Anyway this to me is a side issue.



My personal objective has been and is , that people comming to this forum looking for information about what the UK changes mean re moving an animal from here to UK, get the best most accurate information from as many people as possible and I hope that some progress has been made on that front.

blade


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 14:12

Erolz, i have been speaking with the Bulgarian company this a.m.



They have just returned from a Uk run, from what they are saying there is quite a bit of confusion on the third country paperwork on entry to the UK at the moment. I am sure this will settle down over time.



They are saying that for a few quid you can enter Bulgaria and get a vet to sign you up with an EU passport. So this would be easier than fudging in the Roc? If thats what people needed to do?



I think for those who came here with pets on an EU passport, as long as the rabies has been boostered on time, they are still good to go on the origonal serology report. Which should have been signed into their passport when it was made.

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 14:33

Blade I really can not comment on what you have heard from a Bulgarina company and then relayed here. Certainly the whole ability to enter legaly using third country (TRNC) paperwork is something that is new as of the 1.1.2012 and it is natural I think that it will have some possible 'teething issues' before is runs smootly.

However to the best of my knowledge the information about what is now possible that I have given is correct. The first transport that I am personal aware of that is using these new possibilites as a result of the UK changes leaves on the 20.1.2012. The paperwork is 'third country' paperwork, that is it was all done here in the TRNC and the route will be air from here to France and then from France to Uk via approved route / carrier. As soon as I hear anything about how this went and if there were any problems I will post here about it. The next I am aware of will be the KAR transport overland. Again as soon as I have any info I will update [cont]

blade


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 14:35

Rowan,

i am the last person who could help them. I don't even do my own website. But there must be someone with time on their hands who could?

erolz


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Message Posted:
16/01/2012 14:39

I personaly would be reluctant to advise people that going via bulgaria and then for a few quid getting an EU pet passport in Bulgaria is the best approach for people to be honest. It may well be a viable way of getting your animal from here to the UK and may well be a means of avoiding any 'teething issues' with the 'proper' way of going (under third country / TRNC paperwork) but for me at least both its strict legality and necessity are not clear.



On the issue of animals here that already have an EU Pet passport, the issue is that rabies boosters must be kept up to date, and that must be recorded on the EU pet passport, which can only be done via an EU VET and can not be done by TRNC vets. If the animal has an EU pet passport and all necessary boosters have been given and recorded in the Pet passport, there is no issue. The issue is that there is no entirely legaly way to do that for an animal in the TRNC, as TRNC vets can not do it.