Want to help to lift the embargoes on North Cyprus? Sign now

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:05

Dowan Ahmet has posted on FB: Today Tuesday the 17th of January is the day that Denktas is to be buried, let it also be the day that 100,000 Denktas are born.



I have read that to love Denktas is political and to hate Denktas is political, but this is man with his last breath was talking about what he thought was best for his people. A people that have lived under embargoes since 1963. Regardless of all the other rights and wrongs of the Cyprus conflict, the embargoes are WRONG, our people for almost half a century have been born and have died under embargo… Yeter (enough).



With 100,000 signitures of a petition in the uk, the government will have to bring a subject before parliament. And it is time that the UK government looked to its responsibilities as a Guarenteur country of Cyprus and therefore Cyprus’ Turkish Cypriot community.



Sign the petition: http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/14563calling for an end to embargoes And invite all your friends in facebook to do th

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:06

I think you are better sending them to the UN , they have the resolutions

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:32

Giood idea Jon. Depends on Dowan. By the way, I should make it clear that as this is a Gov U.K e petition, only those with a U.K address may sign, so perhaps we should get all our mates in U.K . with about 800,000 tc's and Turks in U.K, it should be'easy' to get that number he wants of 100,000 signatures.

EricCrapton



Joined: 30/12/2010
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:35

The UN have sweet FA!



Have signed but only being No. 59 to have done so, there is an awful long way to go. But as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day.

EricCrapton



Joined: 30/12/2010
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:38

Oh! Now you tell me!

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:40

Sorry, but what can the UK government do? they did not impose them,they do not make them ,they also have an interest in ROC because of the bases ,I understand the logic behind it , but( and a big but) if the UK smokers cannot change the government policy ,I personally cannot see this having much impact.

Sorry.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 21:43

Miracles happen. the British government is meant to be a guarantor of this island, and that includes the north as much as the south. they could do much if they so required. Having an interest in the south should mean even more that it should be balanced with an equal interest in us.

And to Eric, don;'t despair. this petition was started only an hour or so ago!

batterboy58



Joined: 20/04/2008
Posts: 442

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 23:09

Sorry to rain on your parade but read the link below.



E-petition that attracted 100,000 signatures has 'no chance' of debate



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2088003/Pensions-e-petition-Despite-attracting-100-000-signatures-chance-debate.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

teatime


Joined: 20/10/2008
Posts: 852

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 23:37

Well, can but try, I've signed it. Only needs one country to start the ball rolling.

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
17/01/2012 23:45

Teatime with all respect ,I do think it will take more than 1 country. There are 196 countries (approx)and 193 members of the UN, however the UK thinks it is important ,it will take alot more .The main problem I see is that the South (ROC) has a EU vote .I am not sure if they have a veto power or not ?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 00:05

the only way to fill a bucket with water is a drop at a time.

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 00:06

Not bad 77 signatures in a couple of hours. Only 99,923 to go (if my maths are correct.)

barbieb


Joined: 05/07/2009
Posts: 277

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 00:17

Hi Marion, sorry have tried to sign but link won't let me in, but I am behind you xx

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 00:25

Keep trying barbie. if you still have probs, let me know and i will see if I have put anything amiss, but message 1 was a cut and paste from Facebook, so should be O.K.

Tonyta


Joined: 11/06/2011
Posts: 122

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 02:15

Hi Marion, went to the site to sign it thinking it was new petition, surprised to see it was the one that I had initiated back in August last. Let's hope it attracts more sigs over the time it has left.

Jonholmes


Joined: 08/11/2011
Posts: 184

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 05:17

I am confused do you mean only 86 people signed since last august? or is this a different one?

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 10:12

This is a new one started yesterday which CLOSES in August this year. Does that make you more encouraged!?

pollymarples


Joined: 08/08/2010
Posts: 1778

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 10:19

I have signed Marion - we have it on the Stop the Blackmail facebook page too......keep signing and who is johholmes?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 11:52

thanks Polly. No idea who Jon holmes is - perhaps he would like to reveal himself? meanwhile only signatures are really required, no further revelations (other than semi personal details to comply with British requirements when signing Government e petitions.

Thanks to everyone.

Jovial_John


Joined: 31/01/2009
Posts: 1024

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 13:07

Message 3 - "only those with a U.K address may sign"



Where do you get this from? The e-petition form reached via your link asks "British citizen or UK resident?" and has a drop-down list of countries as part of the address fields.



Are you sure you are correct?

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 13:16

Probably misinformed Jovial John. so hopefully that means anyone can sign if they are living overseas. Thanks for pointing it out. as that means it can be global. And to Tony above, you have now confuswed me as I was given to believe by Dowan that h started it. Maybe he has picked it up. I will look later, but I can't believe it is the old one, as it started the numbering from last night.

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 13:19

Just taken a look and see it was started by Anthony T, and yet no signatures carried forward. Odd. And thanks Jovial John, you are correct. I guess they will just believe me that I am a british citizen. Still a long way to go. Tell your friends.

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 13:38

I've signed.Yes,you have to run to your country.I put Cyprus in,my Lapta address and Mersin 10 as post code.



Has been acknowledged by UK Government too





Mike

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 15:17

Thanks Mike. We have to do what we can for this country and goodness knows what we do is little but every little helps.

japeal



Joined: 12/09/2008
Posts: 1052

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 15:20

Marion,



Just signed and had it confirmed



John

metin


Joined: 08/09/2008
Posts: 1588

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 15:33

Me too.....

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 21:42

Great guys. Just done a bit of maths (and I hope Imight be wrong) but base don the fact that there are 140 signatures in one day, this will take 770 days to get 100,000 signatures, and that is no good. Two years! And we have only until August. Spread the word to all your friends worldwide, or Dowan ]'s opponents will prove to be correct 'an impossible task'. Surely not.

Gramps


Joined: 21/03/2010
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 22:16

I just signed and as Asda says, every little helps

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
18/01/2012 23:37

Indeed Gramps. I agree with Asda - and I like their shops too!

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 00:11

It is true to say that the UK administartion is very unlikely to debate embargo issues upon the TRNC. The UK Government ar far more likely to support the ROC purely because of the Military bases and vested interest in The ROC.



Most members of the EU would take a similar stance. The ROC are European allies and in the European club. TRNC and of Turkey are not.



Furthermore. There is a stong case that makes many indigenous Turkish Cypriots refrain from supporting a lifting of sanctions and or recognition. Participation in the free World would mean a very probable removal of finnancial aid from Turkey and it would soon become essential to become self sufficient and in general terms life could become more challenging to many and their families that are currently on the gravy train.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 00:19

we know all that, which is why it is even more important that we tell the world how unfairly we are being treated. As to the lifting of embargoes, it is true that there are many who dco not want this, but for the young people of today, it is their world of tomorrow that is at stake. Maybe that is why there are more TC's outside of cyprus than in it.

it is yet another case of 'Evil prevails while good men stand by and do nothing.

what do others think?

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 00:28

Would the ROC stop issuing passports

and stop T/Cs working there

or the free health care?

if direct flights and embargos were lifted

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 00:34

Why should they stop entitlements? That could be construed as the actions of a spoilt child. RoC has it all, so why shouldn't the people of the north. they are all Cypriots (well those who are currentlyy entitled to the things of which you speak.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 00:44

Msg 33, sorry I was under the impression

that all T/Cs could benefit from the ROC

My point was if the UN resolutions were "by-passed/ignored"

would the South stop these benefits



As I understand it T/Cs can live in the South

G/Cs cannot live in the north (even if they own the land)



I am not sure but are G/Cs allowed to work in the north ?

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 00:53

The RoC can not both claim to be the sole legitimate goverment of all Cypriots, including TC and at the same time also deny TC the rights and benefits of being a RoC citizen.



They can do one or the other but not both and they know it and they know that it is of much greater benefit to them to have the status internationaly of sole legitimate goverment of all cypriots than the benfit to them of denying RoC rights to TC and this would still be true even if the North got direct trade and non stops flights.



It is not true that GC can not live in the north. They can not live in the north whilst refusing to recongise the TRNC. They can in theory also work here and there is one specific case of a GC who came to live in the North and was working here as well I could cite. The reality is very few want to whilst they have to do it under TRNC adminstration, and those brave enough to try are instanly villifed in the RoC as a result.

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 01:00

Sorry Erolz , I did not know that they could return to their homes

other than those who stayed

I stand corrected

I only knew that if T/Cs stayed in the south for 6 months they could claim their land/home

Sorry . as someone once said

" a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 01:12

philbailey first I strongly suspect you actual know exactly what can and can not be done each way round and just pose these things to try and create specific impressions in readers mind. I do nto know this is the case but I would be lying if I said I do not suspect it is the case.



Anyway to be accurate your orginal post said nothing about them returning to their homes, you actualy said 'G/C can not live in the north' which is not necessarily the same thing as 'return to their homes'.



Also to be clear a T/C that first resides in the south for 6 months can start the process of reclaiming their pre 74 property in the south, but starting the process and actualy getting the proerty back are again not the same thing. In one well document case it took a TC over 10 years of legal battling in the RoC AFTER residing in the RoC for 6 months before they actual got to return to their property.



The reality today in terms of securing 'fari redress' for lost property [cont]

erolz


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 3456

Message Posted:
19/01/2012 01:15

, with 'fair redress' as accepted by the ECHR, then GC with lost property have a much better means to secure this than TC do. And that is for property lost as a result of the events of 74. In terms of TC securing 'fair redress' for loss of property as a result of the events of 64-68, then things are even worse for TC.



So whilst you may want to hold dear to the idea that 'TC can get redress 'easily' but GC can not' it is not actual something that is reflected in reality today.

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
20/01/2012 16:15

A SUGGESTION - as to why not many GC's work here. Could it be that the wages they get is far less than in the south, where they would prefer to live. Whereas, any TC that works in the south is on a better wage to spend here in the north. Just simple mathematics.

Erol is right in pointing out much of the current politics, and one thing that is plain in all this is that so far there is little 'fairness' in any of it.

Shame, isn't it.

tamarisk


Joined: 19/02/2011
Posts: 3

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 11:28

signed and confirmed

lamek


Joined: 27/02/2011
Posts: 16

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 19:22

i cant see it being very much longer now`especially with the greek voice diminishing with its possible exit from the euro! so i would go as far to say that now is the time to sign and make a noise!!

Marion


Joined: 06/03/2011
Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 19:31

thanks for bringing this to the top again. Let's hope more will sign up and Lamek, I hope you are right!

philbailey


Joined: 17/01/2011
Posts: 3534

Message Posted:
05/02/2012 19:32

Msg 41, what has Greece got to do with it?