barbaric bayram

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
11/12/2008 21:35

my dad was a butcher but i never seen anything like this before festival of gore is a better title made me sick now i understand the mentality im not sure i like it

jock1



Joined: 06/01/2008
Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 21:42

It's the way of the world..

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
11/12/2008 21:46

changin me name to sickracoonchic

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 21:47

If you live in N. Cyprus, Turkey Middle East et al then you have to accept life is this.



We do not agree with it but unless you start a one man crusade here I am afraid you have to put up with it. This is a muslim country and if you have just moved here then you should have made yourself aware af the culture.



Sorry if I sound harsh but life away from sunny UK is not all sweetness and light. OH sorry, Kurban Bayram is celebrated across the whole Islamic World and that is about 10% of UK population!

racoonchic



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Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 21:55

been here two years now and as stated i am used to it but when the tv stations start showing animals being slautered outside blocks of flats and under flyovers and chidren playing with the dismembered heads then i have a problem with it sorry

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 22:08

muti culturally diverse european country..

MUSIN M


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Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 22:12

suzanne



how many greek orthodox live in the north ,that you know of.



north cyprus is a muslim country ,cyprusishome is correct and you are wrong .



i love the way you write "mainly greek orthodox and muslim tcs."



greek orthodox in the south ,muslims in the north ,so lets respect our religions.



musin

long live the kktc

jock1



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Posts: 3786

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 22:25

Me thinks this is going to get drawn out again...............

RedSnapper


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Posts: 540

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 22:28

Any room for an Agnostic??

cyprusishome


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Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 22:36

jock1, that is me out of this one.

racoonchic



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Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:07

and i suppose leaving carcass on the road side to fester and gather desease is also religion

Groucho



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Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:32

Racoonchic



Animals die all the time, it's a natural process, a festering carcass is not the prettiest sight but it's hardly spreading disease...



You have to understand that this festival is very important to them and their religious beliefs.. It's a celebration of willing sacrifice, fertility and forebearance and is no more brutal than many hunting activities carried out in the UK until very very recently... some of which continue to this day, albeit out side the strict interpretation of the law there...



I would have more sympathy with all the anti-brigade if they were all vegetarian... But as most of us enjoy our meat it seems a bit hypocrtical to call people practising this religious act barbaric..



Just because you don't see the meat you eat being killed and butchered in the normal course of events it does not mean that the animal is killed any more humanely than the ones sacrificed for Kurban.

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:33

suzanne

so now we are ignorant and uneducated .



reacoonchic ,its our religion ,its a gift to our god ,why do you think its so wrong.



the slaughter gets devided amongst the poorer people ,it does not get left in streets to fester and desease ,why do you judge other peoples religions.



prehaps nailing people to the cross and letting them die in pain is ok ,it may not be ,but i would not judge other religions ,only respect ,as you should.



musin

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:45

88% of TC's consider themselves Muslim, 44% of those are practicing Muslims



94% of GC's consider themselves Orthodox Christian, 53% of those are practicing Christians



- CEPS Survey 2008

racoonchic



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Posts: 3223

Message Posted:
11/12/2008 23:46

i agree but you obviously didnt see the news report covering the celebrations i eat meat every day i am not questioning any beliefs the carcas on many occasions are left to rot especially around the building sites so if that does not promote disease especially accelerated in this heat then i stand corrected flies and kids should know better

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:06

Rick,



In parts of the UK animals are slaughtered and their blood spread on the fields in fertility ceremonies dating back centuries... they don't tend to butcher the meat there and then granted but it's still the same act, very little outrage generated there...

Cyprusunday


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:13

I don't like it but accept it, that said they seem to be free of the huntley, mathews and the baby p problems here, which country do you think is more civilised?

Rotaciser


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 39

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:24

Bayram . is it barbaric ? Slaughter houses in The UK are they Barbaric ? Sorry now they call them meat processing plants, What suffers most Halal meat animals or meat processing plant animals ?

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:44

I personally don't think there will be many germs from rotting carcasses,

there are enough ferrel cats, and dogs around to enjoy a decent dinner.

Ps, the Islanders managed to cope with their traditions before we arrived,

I haven't yet heard of Msa or i , or whatever, menengitis, or any of the

deseases that were flying around UK before we left.

To me that says a lot. It's like going back to my childhood, when we could

live a NORMAL LIFE, fresh air, a bit of dirt, fun in the sunshine. WITHOUT killing all known germs dead with bleach. I think we are all much healthier

living here.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:51

Are you all vegeterians?



Sorry but I get annoyed of the double standards. So you can witness the killing of an animal opposed to it just turning up on your plate out of a packet.



How does that meat get on your table does the animal just "die"?



From the butchers or frozen counter.!!!

Groucho



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Message Posted:
12/12/2008 00:55

Gillken



Who is your post aimed at? Have you read all the replies... who is the 'all'?

flowerfairy


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Message Posted:
12/12/2008 01:01

I'm certainly not veggie, in fact, I;m and english country girl.

My nanna use to slit chickes throats on our farm, dad used to shoot the

pheasants and partridges for our dinner. Before the 'humane' killings,

which you all don't witness, ie, chickens with no feathers, cow in lumps, called

topside.......yep........it was a COW....sorry folks....it had to die.............

used to be on the farms in UK..........here it is a religious ceremony..........

I suppose you'll all start on about the boys circumsision next being barbaric,

It's the tradition of the country we live in.

britvic



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Message Posted:
12/12/2008 01:02

We are forgetting this is about a country we choose to live/holliday in, it's not up to us to say what they should or shouldn't do, it's a pity sometimes our own country doesn't live by the same rule!

Tiggy


Joined: 25/07/2007
Posts: 1994

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 01:15

Well said Britvic.



Does anyone know of a fox hunt that may be taking place in NC over the new Year.........would love to take the olde Ass along for a run out to see a few of the little old blighters ripped to shreds!!



Any badger baiting? cock fighting ? pit bull scuffles ? Hare coursing ? Game bird shooting ? Deer Stalking ? and we say we live in a civilised country!!!!!!



I have no right to judge a religilon and if I was unhappy with it then I would go somewhere else.



Tally Ho.

gillken


Joined: 25/05/2008
Posts: 521

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 01:22

Groucho



I think the answer to that is obvious !!



At times I think the Brits can be self rightoeous as in these comments;



"not up to us to say what they should or shouldn't do",

" the Islanders managed to cope with their traditions before we arrived"

"this festival is very important to them and their religious beliefs"

"We do not agree with it."



Makes it sound we all sailed in on the Endeavour.

reproman


Joined: 05/06/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 01:33

Saying this time old tradition carried out in every muslim country around the world is diseased and barbaric?



FEEDING DEAD ANIMALS TO OTHER ANIMALS which are at the main centre of our food chain...CAUSING BSE or MAD COW DISEASE



then slaughtering them in the thousands and burying them in MASS graves as we watched on BBC news.



This also threatened the whole food chain almost world wide.



That my friend is what you call diseased and barbaric, and im not talking about the innocent cows...im talking about the British farmers and Gov that allowed it to happen!



It really amazes me what short memory people have...idiots.



Repro.

phylray



Joined: 21/09/2007
Posts: 1727

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 02:26

Just seen photo of some posh chick getting her face smeared with blood

of a deer on her first kill. Takes me back years to my childhood when I

heard of young girls smeared with the blood of the fox on their first hunt kill.

Pagan? No, just jolly old home counties, u.k. Sooo civilized.

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 05:47

This is addressed to those of you that are easily offended by what you see, what would you do if you got caught in the middle of this festival?

http://gaijintonic.com/2007/04/02/penis-festival/



turn a blind eye, or just join in?

cmriver1


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 34

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 06:09

Turbo,

That site was too funny. you are crazy.



cindi

Turbo


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Posts: 833

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 06:32

it is "Serious" festival and they are worshiping you know what. .Can you imagine the prim and proper getting off the plane and arriving in the middle of all this. Can you see the funny side, the look on their faces would be "priceless". I would love to be a camera man just to capture the looks and the snotty upper class faces. Bet you any money they would be excited under all that "stiff" upper lip. LOL scuse the pun.

swyflot


Joined: 07/11/2008
Posts: 916

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 07:08

Racoonchick

While in the civilised county of Cornwall,I was taken to see the ox that was to be roasted later that morning,in the stalls hung on the wall were buckets of fresh blood, this was to get the beast in a frenzy,so that it produced enzymes that would help tenderise the meat.

Just a thought do you eat chicken,if so i think you need to think long and hard about what is cruel and what is not.

You say that the kids play with animal parts,so what, at least they know where their food comes from and how it dies, in the UK many kids have no idea where meat comes from

newscoop


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Posts: 2197

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 07:58

First time i`ve ever heard Cornwall described as civilised!

magicart


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Posts: 985

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 08:48

Can't be any different to the mass slaughter of Turkey's in the UK at Xmas?

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 09:11

Gillken,



I think you are clearly misreading the majority of posts which are making exactly the same point as you.....



As you have quoted me....



""this festival is very important to them and their religious beliefs"



why is this self-righteous?



I am saying precisely the same as you... as carnivors, we should understand that meat comes from what was once a living creature...



So I don't know (even though you state that it's obvious) why you have a problem with this....

Turbo


Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 833

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 09:38

In Istanbul they used to sell cooked sheeps heads wrapped in foil in their carts on the streets, if you were not aware of what you were buying and opened your foil bag and saw those sheeps eyes staring at you i think you may have a heart attack..

Next kebab you buy, stop and think for a minute the sheep/cow/lamb's eyes after it was slaughtered to be on your plate.

I think I may have just created a bunch of vegetarians. Sorry to spoil your lamb chops..

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 09:46

Raccoonchick



If it upset you so much why not just turn the bloody television off??????



I don't like it either but like I said on another thread we live in their Country and should accept what they believe in.



Suzanne

yawn yawn yawn yawn yawn. Change your record or is the needle just stuck?

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 10:02

suzanne,



sorry the north of cyprus is ................ muslim , you like it or not most of tukish cypriots are not praticingthe religion but it still is - like the south os orthodox !

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 10:08

tradition and religion is not a subject we can discuss because our own point of view is dictated since we are born and only very objective people can - what is the point to say - i don't agree or i do agree -

Marcos



Joined: 10/12/2008
Posts: 14

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 11:49

i have lived here for over 5 years and have only experienced the killing of sheep 3 times. Twice this monday and cant say I like it too much but its not my business or religion to question. the law was changed last year and a qualified butcher is now suppose to do the culling. That wasnt the case with the people i saw, if it was they were not very good butchers !!

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 12:28

tiggy repost 26

both cock fighting and dog fighting go on here in the north.

something which has conserned me for some time, but am unable to do anything about.

bayram slaughterings as part of religion i have no problem with, as it is slaughtered for food.

but anything regarding cruelty for sport is another matter.

Cyprusunday


Joined: 16/06/2008
Posts: 53

Message Posted:
12/12/2008 21:47

Anyone remember the bernard matthews scandal where they were kicking the

turkeys around?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c426-morLU