cost of living in the trnc

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 14:44

Would any one be prepared to tell me how much per month you need to live in the trnc..ie gas, electric ,water,food....

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 14:57

if you take into account, the cost of running a car and tucking a bit asside for repairs/maintenance for your house, i reccon you need 4,000 YTL per month minimum....



waiting for the "wonna a wik" brigade....





Nick

PIPIE


Joined: 05/01/2008
Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 15:43

Coache , at present we have an apartment in TRNC (still reside in UK) . We have worked it out that we would need £1000 per month to retire there, bearing in mind it is an apartment out in the sticks , taking into account eating out 3 times a week , entertainment , car/petrol we do travel around the island quite alot . our property tax is £50 per year and we pay £45 per month maintenence charge . holidays would be on top of that though . Electricity /gas is down to each individual use so that is a little hard to pass on costs , however we took possesion of apartment in April 2007 visited qute frequently ( every 6/8 weeks ) and we are still using the original gas bottle we purchased in April 2007 , used cooker 4 times , but we use electric b/q occasionally .

Decided we did not want the expense /maintenence of a villa , and would imagine running a villa would push out goings up way over 12K a year . Hope this helps.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitioncyprus/index.html

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 15:53

It's a good question Coachie, one that us not easily answered. Everybody has different needs and requirements. For me, I would guess that in order to maintain a decent standard of living, running a car, eating out 2/3 times a week, having 2/3 holidays a year, I would need between £1500 and £2000 a month - if I were living full time in the trnc. It really depends on your lifestyle.

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 16:08

Done a quick tot up of spread sheet and £12k for the last 12 months.



Bungalow with pool, car, insurance etc included.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:05

Msg 2 waht is 'wonna a wik'

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:06

Deecyprus - I think he means a hundred pounds a week??

RedSnapper


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Posts: 540

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:08

one hundred pounds a week i think

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:41

Wow never can someone tell me how to live on a wonna a wik cos I flippin can't

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:45

Dee,



Lotsa beans 'n pasta ' rice 'n that...



Keith.

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:48

Keith,



I'm no longer coming to yours for Christmas dinner!



;¬)

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:49

What a fartingly good idea ..





cheers Keith

littlenige



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Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 17:52

not a lot if your name is papadopalos

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 18:35

Don't hold your breath for any information Coachie, look as though nobody wants to tell you, no wonder people don't bother posting anymore.

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 18:41

I would say a minimum of £1000 a week for basic living and at least £1500 for comfort, I spend more than that., thats why I'm hard up

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 18:46

Hattikins ..one or two have given me some idea.It costs by the sounds of it ,about the same as the UK,just we dont eat out as often as others,wife prefers to do her own thing,which suits me cos hers a grand cook.Might look into it later...

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 18:58

COACHIE,

I did respond to your query before you switched threads...

Don't take any notice of the disparagingly negative postings - they never say anything usefull or encouraging...

Mind, you might not find my response all that usefull either!

If I can help at all, do ask.

Keith.

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 18:59

Dee, £1000 per week, good god, you live well.

Coachie, I would imagine it would be about the same as here but without the over inflated utiliies, like you we don,t eat out a lot, when in Cyprus a couple of times a week at most, we,ve worked it out and we think we will have a good standard of living once we move over there.

PIPIE


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Posts: 5499

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 19:08

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitioncyprus/index.html





Dee is that weekly or monthly ?

deecyprus4


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Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 19:09

Sorry peeps I meant monthly, Kevin nearly choked on his bread and water then

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 19:29

re mess 6 - its the brigade who reccon you can live on £100 per week (ie Wonna - one hundred, a wik - a week)



Simple ! (other than the fact that you can't live over here on £100 per week).





nick

RedSnapper


Joined: 12/08/2008
Posts: 540

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 19:36

I think once things have settled down a bit with the world economy TRNC will be a reasonable place as any to live if not better value than many. Much larger economies are riding the rollercoaster at the moment and getting by. It`s happened before and it`ll happen again, seems like about every 12/15 years

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 19:41

I posted on here some time ago that we were told by acquaintances that friends of theirs who live in TRNC managed on £100 per week and "lived well". I queried this with said acquaintance and she more or less asked if I was calling her a liar. I know, as do most people, that you cannot live on this amount (although locals have to), with utilities, running a car, pool, etc. I asked for people's views on this and I would say 99% agreed that it would be very difficult, if not impossible. Of course, it depends on your lifestyle, but I would say that £1000 - £1200 per month would be much more realistic.

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 19:43

Rod, I wish I could as optimistic as you. I think the sad state of the world economy will be with us for many years.

Jo Valentine


Joined: 10/02/2008
Posts: 508

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 20:07

Hi

Re. message 22. "It`s happened before and it`ll happen again, seems like about every 12/15 years"

Could that be 14 years? I was once told by a wise man that 'The Economy' has a seven year cycle. Suppose that could go back to Biblical times, the 7 years of feast and of famine.

Anyone any thoughts on this?

Jo Valentine

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 22:17

thank you all for your input,most interesting.I do feel that those who say you can live on a £100 week,probably only meen the food outlay without the rest ie utilities car etc.Believe me If I could live comfortably on £100 week I would be out there next week along with a few thousand others...

spud1


Joined: 22/05/2007
Posts: 544

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 22:38

hi coachie. just posted you a problem on border crossing. spud1

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 22:44

Coachie, cut out the oatcakes and the red wine and you will live like a king over there lol.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
13/12/2008 22:57

I think the minimum wage stands at somewhere around 1100 TL a month and that is the amount that the government deems as an adequate income for TC's to live on. Now of course us expats (some anyway) require an elevated standard of living. I have not yet worked out how much it costs us to live out here but I hasten to add that we have no swimming pool, no jacuzzi, minimal aircon (we prefer ceiling fans) and if we need to go to the village then the options are in order of preference, walking (great for meeting the locals) biking and lastly using the car.

And I do not think we are too far of the minimum wage expenditure wise.

AJ

cyprusishome


Joined: 31/03/2007
Posts: 2381

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 00:02

AJ,



I think that is a very fair representation.



There is a level of expenditure that each individual accepts as a norm. Certainly the pool , car and air con are severe strains on the budget. So it is down to personal requirments.



I think that you could live on £100 pw but what does that offer in life qualities. We want to live as good or better then uk so that is why we are at the £1,000 pm level.



So the original question requires lots of parameters adding and I think coachie has proably got most of those added by default.

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 00:31

If you should decide to come to live here Coachie, make sure you will get the heating allowance... You will need it...

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 00:48

tinker

I must admit it is starting to get chilly in the evenings now so we draw the dividing curtains between the living room and the kitchen etc and put the gas heater on 1 bar for about an hour. We have now broken out the winter duvet and have put the electric blanket on the bed ready for the depths of winter. But if last winter is anything to go by then then we will not be using it much.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 00:53

cyprusishome

Each to their own and one of the reasons I chose to live in the TRNC was because I wanted a more simplistic way of life. And it has worked for me so far.

AJ

Cruella


Joined: 16/05/2008
Posts: 63

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 01:39

To run a car, tele, electricity, gas, water and internet plus eating out a couple of times a week you will need at least a £1200 a month. Its not as cheap as it used to be and some restaurants have a two tier price system one for the Brits and one for the locals, the locals being cheaper of course.

yorkie58


Joined: 16/09/2008
Posts: 245

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 05:31

Cruella, which restaurants run a two tier price system? Have never noticed.

flowerfairy


Joined: 17/09/2008
Posts: 1277

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 07:25

Cruella, I don't think that's a fair comment.

Most of the restuarants have printed menus, how and why would they bother

to have a two tier price system?

To get back to the original question, about £1,000 per month. As someone

else pointed out, it depends on how many times you visit the bars, restuarants

and casino's

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 08:07

Msg21 Negnick, thanks for that

lobylud


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Posts: 242

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:50

From the posts it looks like a figure of around £1,000 per month is what people reckon they can live on at a reasonable level.



Is this per person or is this for a couple?



If its a man and his wife living there, are we really talking about £2,000 per month?

Ossie


Joined: 19/01/2008
Posts: 311

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 17:13

Have just returned to UK for Xmas and between 3rd Nov and 12th Dec kept note of outgoings as follows. I was by myself so certain costs would have to be adjusted if say for a couple. Food 792 YTL Mobile phone pay as you go 200 YTL (Used mainly for texting or phoning UK) Petrol 138 YTL Nov Electricity 105YTL Eating out 205 YTL Odds and Sods 168YTL Swimming Pool Cleaning £50. Total 1608 YTL or at exchange rate of say 2.35 = £684 + £50=£734.There are other costs such as car tax, council tax etc etc.to be included but leave that for you to calculate.Trust that gives some idea of what is required to exist here.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 17:21

Tinker ..enoughsaid about the heating allowance.!!!!!!!

It would seem that £1000 a month would be adequate,well thats we live on here in the uk without any problems,so I dont see any point coming out there if is going cost me alot more even if the weather is good 9 months of the year.Ho w AJ can say they live £100 a week including utilies baffles me.

tinker


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 156

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 20:39

Hi Coachie

I reckon you need £1000 per month plus an extra £1000 every 3 months & you can have a much better social life than you ever could in the UK... No smoking & drinking in moderation, otherwise add a bit more... 3 nights eating out & no skimping on food bills... Also must be on normal electric & not "Builders"

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 20:53

Coachie

Where did I say we could 'live on a £100 pound a week including utilities'

Not one of my postings, you might need to revisit exactly what I did post.

AJ

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 21:15

Coachie - I feel you will do OK in the TRNC financially. We are both still in UK, husband works and is in receipt of occupational pension and I work part-time. We have virtually no mortgage, live reasonably well, only run one car and hubby gave up golf some years ago, due to a bad back. I think you and Mrs Coachie do very well on £1,000 per month. Perhaps she could send me some of her recipes - I could do with saving some money down at the Supermarket!



Best regards

J

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 21:22

looked at your postAJ and was taking what you said about being close tto the minimumwage of tc,s,that being 1100ytl.At an exchange rate of2.2 thatbrings it to £500 a month,so on a 4 week mont you are on £125 and a 5week month thats !00 m0nth.So working on the fact that the t.c.s have to pay there utilities out of there 1100ytl I assumed you were doing the same...

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 21:29

mrs wicks ..she has a wicked recipe for bolognaise sauce and I have tried bolognaise sauces from all over europe including italy, not apatch on hers...And considering she comes from the Potteries, she makes wonderful Yorkshire puddings.I know you might think they are simple dishes but they make an ordinary meal special...

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 21:35

Coachie - now I tend to make what I call a "bucket of bolognaise" and freeze portions to use as we go. With regard to Yorkies - I prefer mine as a whole one, which you cut bits off (like my Mum used to make) but can't seem to get the hang of it. Does Mrs Coachie think I'm using the wrong type of dish?

LOL

j

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 21:45

mrs wicks.. she does the same as you with regards to the bolognaise the yorkies she does in Muffin dish,about 8 in adish.This because if she did the in a big dish I would make a pig of myself.My grandmother used to use a bread tin and they used to come up right over the top,and we used to have them seperate with beef gravy then have dinner after,if youcould manage it....

AlsancakJack



Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 21:46

Coachie

I dont use exchange rates I live here in the TRNC and pounds do not have anything to do with it. My income is derived from investments in the TRNC and although I have investments in the UK the money I earn from them stay in the UK, so I do not mix the two.



'and was taking what you said about being close tto the minimumwage of tc,s,'



I did not say that, I said 'And I do not think we are too far of the minimum wage expenditure wise.'



If you are going to quote me then please quote me correctly.

AJ

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 22:00

Thanks Mr & Mrs Coachie - my Mum used to do a HUGE yorkie in a great big dish and it was almost all eaten. My Dad used to finish it up on Sunday nights with a couple of cold roast spuds.

HEAVEN.

Kind regards

P & J



PS I also use muffin dishes!

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 22:04

AJ,

I think that your arguement is more than slightly obtuse.

We all (well, I for one) understood exactly what COACHIE meant - you have accused me in the past of 'splitting hairs' - just stop for a moment and reflect on exactly what you are disputing - are you not guilty of 'splitting hairs'?

Do you not think that the confrontational style you are adopting is just a little derisory towards another poster?

If you want to 'split hairs' he did not 'quote' you - that would involve saying e.g. ...and you said "blah, blah, blah " which he didn't do - he used another, somewhat more indirect method of referring to what you said, and I knew what he meant, even if you didn't.

Keith.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 22:17

Keith

Yep whatever.

By the way 'more than slightly obtuse' is either obtuse or not. But it is good that we can discuss the finer points of the English language like this without falling out. But I reiterate Coachy is looking at it from his point of view and situation and not from mine, I dont do POUNDS (well not out here anyway).

Take care and enjoy your evening.

AJ

deecyprus4


Joined: 27/07/2008
Posts: 3452

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 06:03

Arrogance arrogance arrogance, people hate knowitalls

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 08:25

Yep, I loathe that Bamber Gascoine! (I don't really...)



AJ,



Starting a sentence with a conjunction 'But' is not acceptable! And is OK these days but but is not.... Don't leave out the apostrophe in don't...



And what is all this "Take care and enjoy your evening" All about? Are you turning Yank or something?



I'll get me coat....

keithcaley



Joined: 13/06/2008
Posts: 2521

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 08:28

Get mine while you're at it.

It's the one with the nice long sleeves that tie behind the back...

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 09:08

i agree with cyprusishomes figures.

we spend double that but we are also buying building supplies.

so anyone thinking of renovating your figures will be more like 2 1/2 k per month.

Coachie



Joined: 29/07/2008
Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 16:32

Keith.. thank you for your assistance but if AJ wants to be specific thats fair enough.To say he only works out his dealings in ytl,s because he lives there is also ok,but I have to work in pounds because I live here in the uk and this where I draw my comparisons fromi.e electricity, gas , water, rates, insurance which are all in pounds then I recalculate in ytls. As for my post msg44 I do not see any thing wrong with my interpretation of his sentance

"and I dont think we are to far of the minimum wage expenditure wise"I yhink a lot of peoplewould have taken it that he was living on that sort of outlay...

sylvie


Joined: 12/03/2008
Posts: 1081

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 18:48

to my point of view, food when we have the possibility of going to the south as well is the same price than france - alcool , meat and fish is much cheaper in the south so it offer us the possibility of getting different menu - we do not have pleasure to go the restaurant in cyprus because i love cooking and when you know how to cook you realize that it is a great saving ! i find the price too high for the value but of course i compare with our french life - in france it is much cheaper to eat very good food outside - food that surprise you with the taste ! ofcourse, electricity is 4 time more expensive than france but is easy going in cyprus and i love the atmosphere and for that there is no comparaison possible -

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 20:03

Coachie

I will explain a few things, my wife and I draw around 2000 ytl (plus or minus 10-20ytl) a month from interest earned on our TRNC savings so that is 2000ytl between two people, we leave the rest of the interest in our savings accounts to accumulate. We eat out at least once a week, we shop where the locals shop and we pay our monthly water and electric bills from this sum. As explained before we have no pool, no central heating, minimum aircon (only used when guests come out) no property maintenance fees and the only major outgoings once a year are the villa insurance, car insurance, car tax (hoping to get a discount next year ) and residency cost's. Obviously there will be a few incidental cost's along the way but until and if they happen they cannot be quantified. So with the yearly cost's split between 2 of us (apart from residency) then maybe you can get an idea of why I stated "and I dont think we are to far of the minimum wage expenditure wise"

AJ

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 20:06

Oh and deecyprus4 thanks for bringing something of value to this thread.

Oh and you need to be careful some people might begin to think that you are stalking me.

AJ

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 20:34

msg 51



aj is 100% right ,why would you use sterling in north cyprus .



try using ytl in tesco,s when your in britain next time.



musin

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 20:38

Message 60 - please tell me how you can "think" in YTL when you reside in a country whose currency is GBP.

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 20:56

Grouch

Thanks for the English lesson, I am always willing to learn from others better educated than myself.

'Take care and enjoy your evening'? That believe it or not was sincere. I would never wish harm on anyone and I always hope that everyone enjoys their life as much as I do.

Take care and........... Sod it just do what you want to do.

AJ

MUSIN M


Joined: 26/06/2008
Posts: 1352

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 21:06

msg 61



explain fully what you mean .

or do you mean you exchange your sterling to ytl and then you use in the shops or do you mean you bought your property in sterling .



normal cypriots don,t have sterling too exchange ,which by the way is not worth much at the moment.





if you are in north cyprus then the currency is ytl.

The-Wicks


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Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 21:30

Musin - We live in UK - GBP.

We have a holiday home in TRNC - YTL

When we are in England, we think in GBP

When we are in TRNC, we think in YTL

We bought our apartment in TRNC in GBP

Yeah - exchange rate is not good at all at the moment - last there in September and it was very poor then

Hope this clears things up

Regards

J

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 22:22

AJ..I didnt need for you to explain the ins and outs of your financial affairs merely to say what you have said this time,that it costa you roughly 2000ytl a month to live there, or have I got it wrong again.I do myworkings out as a couple not two individuals...

Musim...I work in £,s because I live in the uk.So when some one says it cost them a certain figure in ytl,s to live there I automatically convert to sterling to get a comparison between TRNC and theUK....

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 22:47

Coachie

No you have not got it wrong, I was making reference to the minimum monthly wage in the TRNC per person which I think is around the 1100ytl level.

'I do myworkings out as a couple not two individuals...' Not sure as it makes any difference out here.

Anyway the whole purpose of my posting was that people can live out here for a lot cheaper than some posters seem to think and still enjoy a happy and healthy lifestyle into the bargain.

I was going to say 'take care and enjoy your evening' but Grouch seems to have taken the sincerity out of it now.

Just enjoy your time when you are out here next.

AJ

Coachie



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Posts: 2135

Message Posted:
15/12/2008 22:56

aj..thankyou for the discussion and I am sure thereare some who can live for a lot less but thats there choice.I was trying to get an average idea on what it costs and it appears that food prices are about the same ther as here in the UK.In fact it may even be alittle cheaper here especially if you have the choice and the chance to shop between all the supermarkets,and you take care and have nice evening....

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
25/12/2008 23:34

my mate Garry Monger lives on £75 p/w



goes out 5 nights a week and runs a car....





Nick

Ossie


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Posts: 311

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 09:15

Msg 68 You forgot to say he lives in Outer Mongolia!!

negativenick


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Message Posted:
26/12/2008 16:41

sort of, Tatlisu.....





Nick

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 17:00

msge 68



bet he can't be relied upon to buy a round. He must be damn good at telling some entertaining jokes

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 17:04

Garry's last round bought was 1974, just as the Morris Ital came out...



Mine was a Newcastle Brown ale, as i recall....





Nick

ilovecyprus


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Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 17:06

msge 72

negativenick


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Message Posted:
26/12/2008 17:21

Russet brown if my memory serves me right (the car, not the Newkey Brown).







Nick

alano


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Posts: 139

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 18:11

Hello from cold wet Spalding . Be back soon hope you and Kev had a good xmas. Alan

mikelapta



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Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 18:33

No one seems to have mentioned growing their own food.I came here 3 months ago,5 years a holiday home.I have numerous lemon,orange and banana trees,grapes and pomegranites.I have planted peaches and plums.

My veg plot includes broad beans,peas..in flower,potatoes,french beans,and numerous salad crops.I have onions nearly ready,and more onions to plant.

If I can become self sufficient in supplying most of crops from garden,should save £20 a week !!!

negativenick


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Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
26/12/2008 19:54

mess 76 - get yerself a bird Mike....



Far more fun..





Nick

mikelapta



Joined: 20/11/2008
Posts: 2186

Message Posted:
27/12/2008 17:14

trying to find one!!!!!

negativenick


Joined: 10/11/2008
Posts: 6023

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 11:51

put your mind to it ! and stay well clear of them Shirley Valentine types round the 'arbour....





Nick

properperson


Joined: 15/03/2007
Posts: 35

Message Posted:
28/12/2008 12:07

Mike,



Have just e mailed you on your "Hot mail" address....





Prop'a