Why has the thread on Tassos Papadopulos been closed

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 08:34

http://greathellas.blogspot.com/2005/04/tassos-akritas.html



I was just about to provide some evidence in Greek Cypriot sites where they beat each other up for blabbing the truth over the existence and contents of the plan..



It quite comical because in an effort to praise Papadopulos they reveal what they don't want widely known and then the in-fighting starts which is a very traditional Greek habit....



and you've cut me off...



Why was this seen as necessary? Seems a bit OTT





Izzet Note: The thread was closed because it went out of focus. Mr. Papadopulos' death although relatively related to Akritas plan, it is not directly related. If members would like to discuss the Akritas plan, they can open a new thread with that subject any time.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 08:55

Respect The Moderators

Moderators have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board.





### Moderators do not need to explain their actions.###



Do not complain about this.



Sorry groucho read the rules.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:13

Don't be a kiss arse Nige, you know why I am asking the question on the board.



They didn't say I anybody else for that matter has broken any rules they just closed it...



I will re-open debates on Tassos as often as I like until they make a rule stating "no threads on Greek Cypriot Villains or 'Heroes'...."

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:33

Groucho



Now now Groucho thats not very nice, and I have no idea why you are asking the question on or off the board I am a phscopath not a phsycic !!



### Moderators do not need to explain their actions.###



Once you can get your thoughts arround this and accept it then no doubt you will understand things a little better.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:48

Groucho



As far as I am aware and he will correct me if it's wrong only Izzet has the ability to close threads.



I can only suggest that if it is really concerns you then as per the rules email Izzet.



Paul

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:49

Nige



We don't need School Prefects as well as Moderators...



It says "Moderators do not need to explain their actions" it does not say "Moderators will never and should never explain their actions".



As it is unclear why this action was taken I'm only asking for an explanation.. because I can't see any problem..



We don't need classroom clypes putting their hands up to tell Miss on us...so please don't...

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 09:54

groucho



I know not if you are being obtuse or what but what do you find difficult about



I can only suggest that if it is really concerns you then as per the rules email Izzet.

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 10:05

Nige I can only think that you are being deliberately dim, because nobody is really that dumb...



If Izzet had put a short note explaining why the thread was being closed they I would understand... as it is, I don't and I don't think it needs to be a big secret... or does it? Now you've got me thinking....

DutchCrusader



Joined: 19/05/2008
Posts: 11280

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 10:18

RE Nigel : (...) Respect The Moderators. Moderators have the final word. If you have a problem or a complaint, email Izzet off board. Do not post it on the board. ### Moderators do not need to explain their actions.### Do not complain about this. Sorry groucho read the rules. (...)



===> Nige, you confuse me. You keep telling people on this 44-board "to respect the rules", but you left the VO-board and started your own board - because you didn't want to respect the rules on the VO-board (where you were moderated, I seem to remember)... Do you suggest we all start our own board with our own specific rules..?

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 10:34

Hans wrong again old chap please do get it right once in a while.....



I have not left the v/ o board



( yes I am moderated on there because i asked a question !!)



I started my own board as a result of lack of enforcement of rules on this forum and for this reason only.



Nothing to do with me respecting or not respecting any thing or any one, it was getting pretty nasty on here so I decided to do somtthing about it and set up an alternative if people want to jin great if they do not great it was/ is an escape .



Next point I do not keep telling people to "to respect the rules" I am just pointing out that if the rules are read and understood then people would stop questioning the mods and their descissions as they have no need to explain themselves.



No need for an apology hans I know englsih is not your first language and you use a mac so things must be a little confusing for you

frontalman



Joined: 28/02/2008
Posts: 499

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 11:14

Yeah, I was about to respond to old Pikey, when the thread was closed unilaterally, without warning. I can see where Izzet was coming from, he did supply a decent reference to wind it up, but........................

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 11:55

This "moderation" is for school kids....

I believe everyone here are grown up adults who have their own views in life..

Whats the point of trying to create taboo subjects and treat everyone like "sheep",forcing them to talk only about specific subjects?

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:12

I have said it before and will continue to say it, if a post or thread is removed which has not obviously broken the forum rules then some sort of explanation should be given. We are all adults and should be treated as such, this is a ridiculous state of affairs and is not acceptable if this board is to continue to flourish.

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:37

That's so annoying, it's still their for everyone to read, so what was the point?

spook


Joined: 23/01/2008
Posts: 244

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:53

And we wonder why less & less people choose to post!

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:55

A moderator's job is to remove messages which break our House Rules. Messages will not be removed for any other reason. Moderators do not post messages on the boards.



this is taken from a BBC forum !!!!!

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 12:57

a good job this is not a bbc forum then.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:08

Well gang, you can all see how much some people fear the truth. The problem was some people could see how the thread was developing. The utter rubbish about the Akritas Plan (Genocide Files) being about the extermination and ethnic cleansing of Turkish Cypriots was exposed as an unsubstantiated lie and oft-repeated myth peddled by fools and liars.



Even Izzet couldn't supply a non-Turkish reference so he just closed the thread to stop free speech. Turkey does it by blocking You Tube and here at Trumpton level members attempts are made to gag rule-abiding members by closing threads. Without persuading simple-minded idiots to believe without question laughable black propaganda like the "genocide files" supposedly within the Akritas Plan, Turkish nationalists are powerless to block the reality that the vast majority of Greek and Turkish Cypriots have no problem with each other. So the chauvinists have to keep up their little games of ethnic hatred and intercommunal strife.



Izzet Note - No Pike, it is not about free speech. See my last post below. Feel free to open a new thread on this subject.

hattikins


Joined: 17/02/2008
Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:11

No Nige, but perhaps they could learn a thing or two from it.

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:12

AHHH YES BUT THEN THEY WOULD have to admit there was a problem inorder to learn A lesson.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:37

BBC Moderators are paid individuals (out of the licence fee of course) Moderators on this board are volunteers who wish that the board is successful and enjoyed by all members regardless of viewpoint and disposition.



Paul

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:45

Moderators on this board are volunteers who wish that the board is successful and enjoyed by all members regardless of viewpoint and disposition.



Then please can we be allowed to enjoy other peoples opinions and comments, if not always agreeing with them, instead of the constant censorship that we seem to have at the moment.

Harold2555



Joined: 19/04/2008
Posts: 1139

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 13:51

There is no constant censorship, otherwise the thread this particular point is about would have been deleted. Izzet obviousy thought it had run its course (and it was degenerating into a pointless exchange in my opinion but I am humble enough and intelligent enough to accept that others may not share that)



The main protaganists have carried on their discussion and all power to them.



Paul

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 14:03

Harold,



On the other hand, when someone sees the main plank of their propaganda campaign being sytematically dismantled they may be expected to do the only thing in their power to stop it - by closing the thread.



Some of us aren't stupid. We've all seen utterly banal and destructive threads being allowed to continue so your argument that things had "run their course" doesn't wash. This one was damaging to the barely-credible Turkish propaganda campaign.



Izzet Note - Pike, if you notice other destructive threads, just email any moderator. Please don't just use this as an excuse.

Izzet



Joined: 01/12/2006
Posts: 920

Message Posted:
14/12/2008 16:00

That thread was closed because it went out of focus. Mr. Papadopulos' death although relatively related to Akritas plan, it is not directly related. If members would like to discuss the Akritas plan, they can open a new thread with that subject any time.



This thread is now closed as I answered the initial question.

I'll be glad if members email me direct about such issues.

So, we do not need to read somewhat pointless discussions on "why xxx thread is closed", etc.



I am also implementing a new feature where all moderators will be able to close a thread and need to write a reason that will be visible to members.