Cyprus : A Solution Beyond Utopia

Clarissa2


Joined: 12/06/2009
Posts: 1476

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 12:02

Read the article in "The Cyprus Mail" and share your views.



It is now a matter of time before the UN declares the Cyprus problem as unsolvable. In the absence of any mitigating circumstances following the recent round of talks, Turkey will argue that sanctions against the side that has shown goodwill and desire for peace are prejudicial and can no longer be justified or tolerated. She will demand that free trade between the north of the island and the outside world is quickly and effectively established...



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/opinions/solution-beyond-utopia/20120212

mamachina


Joined: 22/11/2008
Posts: 730

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 12:17

Read it! Interesting that it is mostly Greeks or Greek sympathisers who are commenting!

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 14:30

I read it - along with the comments to the article.



An astute analysis.



However, there are inadequate respondents to the comments about the "injustice" of Turkey's intervention.

As an example, someone is insisting that Turkey should have withdrawn immediately after it stopped the EOKA based coup. The argument stands that it is merely a "land grab" without any acceptance of any GC wrong-doing.

dougskud



Joined: 04/04/2008
Posts: 356

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 14:37

Hi everyone good morning, what an interesting article and so logical.



Clearly Turkey will decide the eventual outcome of the protracted discussions between the North and South. They have always held all the cards to a solution, and the Greek thinking of being able to use a veto on full membership to the EEC/Euro unless a settlement is concluded is totally flawed.



Why would Turkey vote to become a full member and with membership becoming responsible along with Germany to poring billions into most of the other member Countries failing economies..

Jonesy299


Joined: 07/02/2009
Posts: 367

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 14:51

I agree that it is an interesting article (it seems positive from our side of the fence) and I also agree that it seems to be a view shared by a growing number of GC's as shown by their contribution to similar articles and comments over the last few years.



Before anybody gets too drawn into this 'utopian' article, do I need to point out that it has been cobbled together (dare I say 'plagiarised') by a (albeit very well respected)...pianist!



I would prefer to formulate my political views on evidence and insight from those who are on the inside track of this debate.

brother



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Message Posted:
13/02/2012 15:26

Good point about the source being - of all things - a pianist......I must find out a bit more about him.

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 18:47

Hi All,



You think this story is good, read the article about the Gc elected Mayor, for Kyrenia

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/profile-new-mayor-kyrenia-glafkos-kariolou/profile-new-mayor-kyrenia-glafkos-kariolou/20120210



the Gc are still holding local elections for seats in the north every 4 years, they are elected get a nice salary but don't have to het up in the mornings to go to work, as their job is in the TRNC. now that's a job i wouldn't mind getting, or better still, I might as well go for the top job as the Vice President as that seat has also been empty since 1974 and as a Tc living in the Gc controled area, very high chance of winning ))))

brother



Joined: 29/01/2010
Posts: 446

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 20:11

Erkin, yet another article that essentially presses home the argument of the Turks just waking up one day and deciding to do bad things to the GCs.



Every single article lik ethat has to be countered with a TC perspective. The rest of th eworld needs to be reminded if they forget and those who don't know need to learn it wasn't as simple as the GCs would have them believe.



I offer the article you link to for the UN to consider the immediate future after any "settlement".

yrret


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 761

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 20:21

Very balanced article from someone who clearly understands that the south was shafted in the past by Papa, in all being convinced to reject Anan, and who also obviously realises they are now very much on the back foot.

Texas


Joined: 22/09/2009
Posts: 634

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 22:10

On a lighter note, perhaps Turkey could offer Greece the bailout finance it needs.



In return Greece could solve the Cyprus Problem as well as Turkey's EU membership aspirations as well as Greek Cypriots chance of Enosis.



Sell Cyprus to Turkey and everyone will be a winner!



Do not think this would be impossible. The red Indians sold Manhatten for $24.00 or about 60 Dutch Guilders.



I wonder how many GC's are willing to stand by their brothers and sisters from the Motherland and accept some sacrifice that would help?

TRNCvictim


Joined: 17/08/2010
Posts: 1417

Message Posted:
13/02/2012 22:22

I hope you don't end up like your neighbours in Syria with civil war on your doorstep!



Strange Times in the middle east!

Erkin


Joined: 15/06/2011
Posts: 339

Message Posted:
14/02/2012 15:17

If i were in Ankaras' shoes I would buy Crete and all the other Island close to the Turkish Coastline, The Greek Pm at one point made suggestions of seling off some of the islands, this is Turkseys' chance ))

Make all the nationals living on the Island Turkish Citizen. There was an article couple of months back from a Greek newspaper that over the last 2 years, over 60,000 Greeks have applied for work and living rights in Turkey.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
15/02/2012 22:56

message 1:



your quote from one contributor to the CT ...

"the un declares the cyprus problem as unsolvable"



if they ever make such a bald and blunt statement,

...I'll eat my hat (says bertie basset)



apart from the usual whining, the writer fails to

mention that for some of us, unsolvable is better

than a botched, unworkable power-sharing deal

bertieboss


Joined: 22/07/2011
Posts: 149

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 01:52

There is no Turkish Cyprus!

The TRNC is a military garrison where Turkish Cypriots have been marginalised and probably no longer have a real say in the future of the island - through no fault of their own.

There is no solution given the intransigence of the Greeks and greek Cypriots over the years and it's probably better as it is so long as the rest of the world admit to the unfairness of the long running saga and play fair with the Turks.

Starting with the hypocritical UK who stood by and watched the Greeks attempts at wiping the Turk Cypriots out !!!

I was talking to an old Turkish Cypriot in the back streets of Nicosia, who as a parting comment said ' you have nothing to be proud of. And I have to agree with him!!!

It was OK for Turkey to intervene - but not to stay !!?? My a***

But I'm not holding my breath.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
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Message Posted:
16/02/2012 12:46

I'm not holding my breath either



and some on this forum may now breathe out after two and a half years

Geejay


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Posts: 475

Message Posted:
16/02/2012 13:43

So right bertieboss. Except for one thing......The UK, Greece and Turkey were and are all members of NATO. Armed conflict between member states is unthinkable and could cause it's disintegration. One should not accept the parochial biased views expressed by protagonists.

The UK were well aware that the Greek army had invaded Cyprus and fomented civil war, see Archbishop Makarious address to the UN July 1974, and would not risk the possible dismemberment of NATO. P.M Callaghan also wanted a diplomatic solution rather than conflict and was open to USA persuasion on that.

Since the Turks considered the Greek invasion to be illegal (as it was) and deniable by the Greek government they had no problems with it. Especially as Cyprus was and is not a fellow NATO member.

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
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Message Posted:
18/02/2012 00:27

I take issue with the whole thing about "solution":

because one person's "solution" is another's disaster



for example, turkey imposed a solution to the long

history of civil strife, and the fascist coup of '74

...but it is clear marios' "opinion" column does not

quite see it that way



even more so, the promoters of all the solution-talk

on cyprus 44 since 2008 have been strangely shy of

outlining any possible solution terms and even more

unwilling to explain how cypriots would conjure one

into existence now, after all that has happened



for myself I am of course "in favour" of a solution,

but the terms of mine (although it it is very unlikely

to occur and is basically none of my business)

are quite specific



then again, like the promises of greek politicians on

their cuts programme another cyprus agreement

would just be the start of a process, and not its end

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 15:23

within a day or so I will share my thoughts

about two possible "solutions"

and the two different ways it could happen

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
18/02/2012 23:54

there are two "solutions" to the division of cyprus:



return to the power sharing constitution of 1960:

after all the history since, the north and/or turkey would never agree to this

though the greek cypriots would



an internal agreement offering strong regional/ethnic autonomy

...but the two sides are quite unable to agree how such a thing might work,

and the one stab at it was rejected by a majority of cypriots back in 2004



there are two ways a "solution" could happen (with the forbearance of the

reader I propose this would be equivalent to turkey withdrawing its forces):



turkey is forced to leave by pressure from outside

...perhaps the reader would hazard a guess as to which states would see in

their interest and their capacity to start and win a war over cyprus



turkey agrees to leave voluntarily for reasons such as membership of the eu

(although I doubt this is genuinely on offer anyway), or a compromise with

the greek cypriots (no sign of that yet)

andre514


Joined: 05/10/2010
Posts: 763

Message Posted:
19/02/2012 20:32

...oh well, I guess it's back to the happy hour at cod baba