Men Only Discussion

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 16:49

Us chaps are notorious for leaving Christmas shopping till the last minute.



So what do we give to the gorgeous women in our lives?



That Sexy Underwear? Err,.. No. It's never worked!

We never get the right perfume!

Kitchen stuff? .... disaster!

Funny 'Soap on a Rope'? Funny as a lead balloon!





Come on, let's have some suggestions,.....

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 16:54

Their is an advert running on t.v in UK at the moment.

A man runs into a petrol station and buys everything in sight, the next day, his wife opens her present and has received windscreen wipers, his dad's sat there with a wheel on his knee and the son has an air freshener.Lol

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:04

Best present I ever bought a woman was The Observer Book of British Submarines......as you can imagine that went down particularly well!!!!

OLDGIRL



Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:08

Magazine subsciption, beauty treatment, gym membership,Ds lite, Ipod

and of course chocs(good ones ).

Oh yes what about a week-end away.

Hope that helps.

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:08

they all want a stud like sparta!!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:11

Rob.



You've just ridiculed all my ideas!

OLDGIRL



Joined: 02/10/2008
Posts: 118

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:11

Upppppppps

Just seen this was just for you men ah well.,I will be a man for the day.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:13

OLDGIRL



Thanks!





Where do you want me to take you for that 'weekend away' ?





Rob

come_on_aylin


Joined: 14/06/2008
Posts: 908

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:13

Come on, let's have some suggestions,.....



Well seeing as you're asking...



Something indulgent for me please - a voucher for a massage, reflexology, pedicure, etc. (Preferably by a qualified therapist and no I don't mind if it's a male).



A small amount of really nice chocolates (not too many because I'll blame you for making me fat(ter)).



A book by my favourite author (nothing on cooking, cleaning or dieting, thanks)



Please don't get me any clothes or jewellery unless I have specifically pointed them out when you were paying attention(you know you have crap taste)



Please don't get me anything that you really want for yourself like car accessories, chess set, any books on sport or a minature tool kit.



Is that any help? Thought it might be more useful to get a woman's view on things.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:16

I'm tempted to re-name this a 'women only' topic!





Keep it going girls!!

britvic



Joined: 05/09/2008
Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:16

Channel No5 for me, seeing as though your asking.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:18

See what you've done Rob! Get him Geoff......

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:18

britvic



Is that a Dover-Calais ferry?

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:18

a rabbit !! they come in all buzzing sizes

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:19

I've bought my wife an E-Book, that'll keep her quiet for a few months.

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:22

No1Doyen am glad im not your wife! Im with Sparta!!

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:22

I can't afford Chanel No.5, but she does like Caleche by Hermes.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:24

How about that new fragrance - Midnight in Billingsgate!

JimmyG


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Posts: 900

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:24

Kitty Kat Jac.....hope you have a sexy Christmas then!!

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:25

bit fishy that is

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:28

Don't worry Sparta - kitty kat will sort you out!!

britvic



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Posts: 3039

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:30

Channel across to France for the weekend, and as many duty free's as I want.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:31

Bill msg 12. He's ignoring us!



I'd love to tell you what I have bought my wife but she reads this BB and I don't want to spoil the surprise. Really original and fantastic presents, honest!

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:31

have a break have a kit kat !! like it

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:34

OMG your all barking mad!! i make one measly comment about fluffy carrot eating bunny rabbits and the next minute i am being ushered into Titanic faster than you can say ............

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:37

Kitty Kat - Don't mess with the Guys

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:38

You home for xmas Geoff or on your travels?

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:38

Dont be fooled No1!!

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:40

she is armed with a rabbit!!

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:41

And she knows how to use it!!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:41

Eau de Colin-Farrell

A car radio with a Ferrari left attached

A years supply of tissues for watching It's a Wonderful Life...

A large new handbag stuffed with £50 notes...

A Decree Absolute...

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:41

I know sparta - a furry one. Take the batteries out when she's not looking

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:42

what batteries its manual

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:42

Hey girls,.. is romance dead?



My daughter is getting married next year.



A couple of months ago my son-in-law to be, took her for a supposedly long weekends shopping in New York. Booked a lovely Boutique Hotel.

Took her for a meal at Gordon Ramsays NY, then back to the hotel where he had booked privately their lovely roof top garden, where he proposed with a large Diamond, for her to choose a setting. He also arranged a string quartet.





How good was that!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:42

Gavin - but what does your wife want?

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:43

ARE U LISTENING TOM!!

sparta


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Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:43

lovely but its all down hill from there

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:44

Rob. That was a lovely story. Gavin pass those tissues quick!

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:44

Especially the big diamond bit!!

sparta


Joined: 24/10/2008
Posts: 226

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:46

ahhhhhhhhhhh

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:52

Bill Msg 27.



Staying in TRNC. Having friends (yes, I do have some!) around for xmas day. Last xmas in TRNC though.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:52

Sparta, that's what Tom's just said

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:54

Bill,



She wants her head tested...

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:54

Jimmy - who is Tom?

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:55

Gavin - Oh I don't know, you seem a good bloke to me......

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:55

now No1 you are just not paying attention!!

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:56

I took it to be Kitty Kat Jac's diamond geezer!!

Kitty Kat Jac


Joined: 18/03/2008
Posts: 230

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:58

Thank you JimmyG. I dont think NO1 has quite got over all this rabbit talk, its ok NO1 you just sit down and read a good 'E' book it more your speed!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:58

I'm trying, I'm trying....but who is Tom?



I'm going back on the medication...............

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 17:59

Bill & Ted,...?????



I hope you're going to come clean on Chrissy Pressies after the event, you pair of old romantics you!!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:01

Well you've got to look after them Rob, they're lost without us.........

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:06

Who is Ted?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:08

Freudian slip! Sorry!





Actually, i wonder what the girls are getting us for Christmas?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 18:13

Geoff, Rob's obviously been having an early Xmas tipple. He'll tell us when he's sobered up.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:15

What a dishcrasheful shlur on my Charater!





Come on girls, just tell us what you want,.. what you really, really want!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:18

Call for 'Steely Dan'....

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:40

I thought it was the Spice Girls?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:43

Ah but the origin of the band Steely Dan's name is far funnier.. plus much better musicians...

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 19:55

So what's the 'origin' of the band names '10cc' or 'Loving Spoonful'?



Oh Dear,.. we're off-topic again!







I just want to know what our girls really want for Christmas!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:01

Not off topic if you buy them a Steely Dan!



Steely Dan took the name from a nickname for a type of dildo from the book Naked Lunch by William S. Burroughs...



I think he also coined the phrase Heavy Metal but the ladies probably don't want that....



Air Guitars Anthems? ... nope!



What about... "Now That's What I Call Mosque No 57" as can be heard pumping out of many a suped-up wreck in Girne... ;¬)

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:15

Groucho



Does that mean you are buying a Steeleye Span CD for Mrs Groucho?





No perfume?

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:26

Gaudete, gaudete Christos est natus

Ex Maria virginae, gaudete.



I used to sing this in the School's Chapel...



Perfume? Well, over the years I've probably bought a life time's supply, so I don't think she's looking forward to more....

littlenige



Joined: 24/12/2006
Posts: 3594

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:36

if she wants a pressie give her a tenner and send her to asda

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:39

That's a nice idea Nige, where is the nearest one?



Send her to the Pound Shop and she can get 6 pressies for £10...

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:40

Girls beware!



We're cheating on you again!



The other day on BBC1 they had an item about 'Crap-Wrap.co.uk', who wrap us chaps presents badly, to make them look like genuinely badly wrapped pressies from the man you love.



Let's face it, you girls know when your pressies have been professionally wrapped in-store, ... now you wont know if it's personal or not!

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:40

A pair of oven gloves,loads of tin foil and plenty of baking trays,

Paul.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:42

Paul, watch your back mate....!

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:53

Paul, you shouldn't have given her sharp knives last Christmas!

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:57

Think if you make the effort, do a bit of investigating, i.e. sizes, preferences etc, you at least stand a chance of success as a surprise is always best and for me has been the catalyst of a romantic christmas many times.

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 20:57

Doy,

How did you know about my back.

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:05

Pigrim,

You big stag i like your style.Now then wheres the best place to buy curlers,

Paul.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:05

pilgrim



Are you suggesting that we rake through our ladies underwear drawers when they are out, purely to check on sizes?





DON'T GET CAUGHT!

dodger



Joined: 29/07/2007
Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:10

Especially with them on your head lol

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:16

I can honestly say I have always known the size of my women, both when they where slim and other times larger. Actually it has been common knowledge within our relationships as well as my expanding waistline!

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:18

pilgrim



Stop squirming !



You've been outed!

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:21

rob

been shopping today, time will tell.

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:24

Paul,

Your women the mind boggles.As they say three in a beds game,

Paul.

PtePike



Joined: 20/05/2008
Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:26

dodger: "Especially with them on your head lol"



I find doing that muffles the sound of the stereo.

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:29

Have to admit, this has been my most 'on-line' time ever, hardly visited a shop!



Should we all 'fess' up after Christmas as to what we bought,and the response?

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:30

perhaps your minds not on the music anyway.

pilgrim



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Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:35

rob ,no problem, hope you, paul, pte pike etc have a good one.

The-Wicks


Joined: 27/05/2007
Posts: 2279

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:36

Pilgrim - I think I read on here at some time, you have been married more than once (haven't most of us?) but possibly you knowing the varying sizes of "YOUR" women may have been a contributory factor? LOL

J

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 21:45

Innocent party only ever one woman whilst married or in partnership,slightly more other times, otherwise no chance of finding future bliss.

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 22:19

Something that looks like you have gone out of your way to arrange, or organise, that will make your lady feel special. Try and think out of the box, something that you wouldn't usually do and that she wouldn't expect. Spontaneous, loving and considered acts, IMO, are more valuable than the latest handbag etc etc.



If you can't do something because its xmas day and you are going out, or are with friends, let her open a box with a hint of the surprise or a note to be available on ......... at xxx time.



Ask her best friend, or even arrange something with her on the surprise.



With fear of forthcoming comments, think more of what she would enjoy, more than what you think she wants i.e. 'a present.' If that makes sense!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 22:42

Your right Jack. Women love surprises.

jacktheladett


Joined: 01/07/2008
Posts: 528

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 22:45

By the way, if she/both of you is/are going out somewhere, make sure there isn't a pile of ironing or washing-up to come home to. In fact, it would be a really good idea to get all chores for the next few days done (yourself or get someone in) so she doesn't have to.



If you really want to go for it, a nice bouquet of flowers waiting for her when she gets back (not at the start of the day) would finish things off nicely.



If all this sounds a bit birthdayish, it doesn't matter, this type of treat is good on any occasion.

pilgrim



Joined: 11/05/2007
Posts: 1404

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 22:58

jack, proven practice, anything for partner. shes special.

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:16

I've just noticed that Jack us really Karen. No wonder you know what a woman likes. Nice one Karen

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:21

Thanks Pilgrim - same to you.

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:27

Pikey,

Head phones on under the smalls mate.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:31

Cheers Paul. I always try to remember but get too distracted.

dodger



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Posts: 1895

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:39

Pikey,

Smalls are Your achilles heel eh everyone has one lol

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
17/12/2008 23:56

Head phones on under the smalls? Be a bit muffled Paul !

Lilli



Joined: 21/07/2008
Posts: 13081

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:12

hi robnjo does your son in law have a brother, farther uncle going spare. all i want is a holiday and some tlc. Lovely thing to do for your daughter and i wish them all the happiness in the world. Now you mention it a nice diamond in the bottom of a champange glass would be nice. Grouch I would love som steely dan or 10 cc or the Eagles all my favourites. Anyway whatever you men buy us im sure we will show our appreciation one way or another. You all have a good one.

Becks


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:32

most woman are happy just to be with their loved ones at Xmas. Its nice to get a present or two but to be with the one you love is worth more.

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:45

Becks. You are absolutely right, I'm sure. I will buy me wife s*d all and she can have me wrapped up instead!

Becks


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 09:53

that was funny Chessmen. Im sure you dont mean it. happy xmas to you and your wife.

Chessman


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Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 10:05

Hi Becks. Nah, didn't mean it. Merry xmas to you and yours too.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:10

Chessman, you old romantic you!



You could always put on a 'Borat' Lime Green Mankini and leap out of the wardrobe shouting Merry Christmas!







But make sure there are no cameras, friends or family around!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:26

Rob.



I am just trying to imagine me in one of those! My God what a sight that would be and not a pretty one! I won't be supporting 'Borat' with that one, even if he is Welsh!

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:28

I've just been sick...............

Chessman


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Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:34

Me too! LMAO!

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:38

Geoff, I'm getting a bit worried about Rob.

Chessman


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Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:39

Why, because he is being nice to us?

No1Doyen


Joined: 04/07/2008
Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:43

Well, that as well. But more importantly his vision of you in a 'Borat' suit!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:52

Ah, yes. His way of 'extracting the michael' no doubt!



You may incur the Wrath of Rob, however, bearing in mind he is Omnipotent!

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 12:55

Sorry about the disturbing imagery!

Groucho



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Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 13:00

Being omnipotent is that the same as impotent for a single man?



Is he omniscient?

No1Doyen


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Posts: 16617

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 13:28

I believe he's omnicompetent.

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 13:29

Groucho



I've got an Oyster Freedom Pass,..



So I may be an Omnibus?

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:00

No1



Omnicompetence is the answer for us chaps to gain Brownie points at Christmas!



For maximum points, offer to cook the whole Christmas meal as well as clear up afterwards.



It's just a logistical exercise, any of you in management will know there are lots of shortcuts.



Leave your loved one in a hot bath with a bottle of chilled Champagne, surrounded by candles, while you 'slave' in the kitchen.



100 automatic brownie points!





If any of you want, I can give full details of the shortcuts!



Rob

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:10

Rob, just the shortcut into and out of the bathroom while you're busy in the kitchen will do!!!



Merry Christmas

ROBnJO


Joined: 30/06/2008
Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:30

JimmyG



With the Sanish Guitarist and 2 Masseurs, there may not be enough room in there for you!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:32

omnipotent [om-nip-a-tent]

Adjective

having very great or unlimited power [Latin omnipotens all-powerful]

omnipotence n



That's our Rob!

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:35

Like your style Rob......I'll pass on that then!!!

ROBnJO


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Posts: 1289

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:41

Chessman



50 yrs ago I made a decision I would live forever!







So far, so good!

Chessman


Joined: 13/05/2008
Posts: 486

Message Posted:
18/12/2008 14:49

Rob



And I, for one, am delighted!



(That's a few brownie points for my trip to heaven!)

joandjelly


Joined: 24/02/2008
Posts: 2953

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 13:51

Re message 99, my friend has posted a photo on Facebook of her husband in his Mankini and he's actually proud of it!!

Taz666


Joined: 21/12/2008
Posts: 180

Message Posted:
30/12/2008 13:56

one way ticket to the moon