Land at Larnaca Airport

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 01:03

Just read on http://www.cyprus-forum.com that the airport land used to be owned by tc's? Is this true?What other sites and will this influence recent legal and political talks?

newlad



Joined: 02/03/2008
Posts: 7819

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 01:10

Steve,

From my limited knowledge of this complex situation i would say yes Larnaca airport was originally t.c. but i dontthink that it would have any bearing on the talks,

Paul.

fire starter


Joined: 19/06/2008
Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 09:26

from what i understand

larnaca airport was expanded and some of that land belongs to a tc.

like compulsary purchase in the uk, the owner is entitled to compensation.

Chicken Run


Joined: 11/10/2008
Posts: 252

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 09:36

Fire starter - I think you'll find that most of Larnaca airport is built on Turkish land and the TC never gave up his title deeds. If the GC can claim the property built on land that they once owned in the North... can the TC that owned this land claim Larnaca airport??

iceman


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Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 10:33

Chicken Run

I tried to explain this situation last week on another thread...

There is a BIG difference in land used for public use and land used by private individuals for profit..

Land has been expropriated on both sides of the divide to be used for public purposes such as Airports/roads/schools/refugee homes etc etc...If and when there is a solution these properties will not cause any problem because the owners will be compensated..

iceman


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Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 13:16

Obviously you never attended the historry lessons at school zanny...

iceman


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 13:19

Bye the way...Do they teach Cyprus history lessons in UK schools??

iceman


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 13:27

strange things happening on cyprus44 again!!

where the hell has zanny's post dissapear?

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 13:28

They certainly should in areas of N London. They should know the truth about who they are, ere they come from and what a similar background the other community had.

WAZ-24-7



Joined: 18/10/2008
Posts: 695

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:17

Iceman msg 5.

Not quite as easy as you indicate.



Current EU Courts are to make judgment upon point of Law. The usage, owner and or tiltle will oly be considered if and when litigation by individuals or indeed a body of individuals make appliction to a court.



I fear that anarchy will prevail if the flood gates are opened. No Cypriot is immune to the effects and consequences of such actions.

Zanny


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:19

Why are my threads disappearing??????

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:24

Zanny has the penny not dropped yet ?!!! I suggest you read the forum rules

Zanny


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:25

WHy are you on my back all the time? You love the greeks so much go live with them.

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:33

Zanny, I don't know one single Greek, never been there or even visited the south but I cannot abide racism or racists in any form and your posts to date define you as exactly that. So read the forum rules and you will see that the moderators are doing their job.... so stop bleating about it. My only surprise is that more forum members are not on your back too.

Zanny


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:36

ok, i promise to be nice to them from now on.

Zanny


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Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:36

just one question, do you own property in kktc?

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:49

Yes Zanny I do and am proud to do so. I have been visiting the north since 1976 and am very pleased to say that my daughter will be marrying a Turkish Cypriot in 2009. I have many TC friends, including some of those that lost their properties in the south in 1974.

Zanny


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 15:49

do you own exchange property?

JimmyG


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Posts: 900

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:02

Zanny, no I don't ....but please no more questions!!!

Zanny


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Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:03

well then....you've got nothing to worry about. WHy don't you let the rest of us who are knee high in dog poo right now get on with our panicking in peace?

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:08

can any body advise as regards to owning land in the south????

my parents left cyprus in 72' and resided in the uk ever since.. we have recently returned to cyprus and in doing so my father has been over to the greek side and updated our family land deeds ( which has been in my family for over 100 years)..

my father has jumped thruogh every hoop the greek cypriot government has had to offer and yet we are still struggling to make our claim... the truth is that there is are double standards when it comes to this issue.... hope u guys dont see that as a racist remark...

JimmyG


Joined: 14/08/2008
Posts: 900

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:18

Correction Zanny....you must have a short memory......It was NOT your panicking that I was complaining about.... it was your racist remarks which I found offensive. I happen to share everyone's concern about their properties, although am less sympathetic to those who purchased for investment purposes only.

JimmyG


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Posts: 900

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:22

Ahmet nothing racist in your post at all.....you've simply made a statement of fact and provided some balance to those who only ever mention the GC's who've been disadvantaged. Good luck & don't give up.

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:24

i dont seem to be able to get an answer off the greeks either???

does any1 even have an opinion?

ahmetdervis


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Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:24

thank u jimmy it is a very difficult task we r trying to achieve but nevetheless we will never give up

iceman


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Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:42

Ahmet

As far as i know, property in the name of Turkish Cypriots who left the island before 1974 is treated as any other property in the ROC...

It can be bought/sold anytime at the owners will..

Return of property in the name of the Turkish Cypriots who abandoned their property in 1974 is more tricky..These properties (if not been rented out to a refugee can be returned to the original owner if they prove to be residing in ROC..(minimum six months residency is required)

Few Turkish Cypriots demanded their properties after the checkpoints opened and even if the property was occupied by GC refugees they took possesion of their properties after a court case..But as i pointed out they need to proveide proof of residency in ROC first..



Your fathers case is much more clearly defined by law..

If as you say he can prove to have left Cyprus before 1974, then i would advice your father to employ a good GC lawyer to have his property returned to him right away.

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:51

yes but when u go there they dont do what u expect them to do

and also can anybody be trusted in this country whether gc or tc? it seem s to me that there is this strange kind of islander mentality.... i feel like i have got a pair of donkey tabs at times

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:56

sorry just blowing steam off as it has been and still is very fustrating

iceman


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 16:59

Ahmet

Make the agreement accordingly...no win no pay..

If they don't do as you ask them to do....don't pay them

As i said, your case is clearly defined by law and when you consult a lawyer and put forward your above terms they will look at the case and either take it or leave it..

My bet is, they will take it because they cant loose.

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:10

thank u for yr advice iceman and we are with a solicitor over there at the moment who seems ok..we have been trying for two years to date ... just 1 point of their law is

a turkish cypriot land owner must have permission to from a particular minister (gc) to enter any agreements or contracts as regards to thier land... nowhere else in the world do u need such permission to act on yr own personal property !! where is the justice in that

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:10

If the ROC was seeking to legally appropriate land for public purposes such as the Larnaca airport land it should have paid full market rate compensation at the time it did so if it was genuinely seeking to do the right thing and differentiate itself from the TRNC system. This is the way its done in most civilised countries.



Was such an offer even made ?



Surely the ROC wouldn't be using the excuse of what was happening in the North (being a non recognised regime by them and the rest of the World excluding Turkey).



The same goes for Ahmets situation where his family land should have been automatically available to the owner to do as he wished with and the 6 month residency rule is another rule inconsistent with their line on proerty ownership.





Aussie

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:15

now that i am back in cyprus i have no land no home or exchaged for wat we lost ... so does that make me a refugee?

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:19

who do i turn to mr talat? or mr christophias? my basic feeling is that we are suffering strickly because we are of turkish descendent

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:37

"my basic feeling is that we are suffering strickly because we are of turkish descendent "





Ahmet

Count yourself lucky because at least you have a chance of getting your property back by demanding it through the right channels...

Think about the 160000 or so Cypriots who cannot get their properties back even if they won their cases at EHRC.

ahmetdervis


Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 9

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:58

the only thing i was lucky about , iceman , is that we were not here in 74' 80% of my family were killed during the eoka coop.... and i can post u the death certificates if u like?

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:06

Ahmetdervis



Now I know you are lying because the PP say's no T.C.'s were killed , and there was no E.O.K.A. coup











Post edited for rudeness

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:49

Ahmet

You asked a question regarding your fathers property now you are on about your family being killed in the coup....Make your mind up...

What exactly is the purpose of your posting?



I am sorry to hear about your family but i have not heard of any Turkish Cypriots being killed during the coup.

The coup started on 15th July and Greek Cypriots fought amongst themselves until the morning of 20th July.

iceman


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Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:53

gibson335

Never mind the boy in the sailor suit...

I was here in Cyprus in 1974 and i am telling you no TC was killed during the coup..

Coup was between 15th july to 20th July when Turkish army/Air force arrived.

Zanny


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:53

my whole village was burned down and all the people were killed in it. there were at least 2000 of us. This was during the eoka coup.

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:54

Zanny

you are lying...No turkish village was burned or TC killed during the coup..

Zanny


Joined: 18/12/2008
Posts: 49

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:57

You're Turkish Why do you take their side?

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 19:58

zanny said

"my whole village was burned down and all the people were killed in it. there were at least 2000 of us. This was during the eoka coup"



Listen zanny...the total death toll of Turkish Cypriots killed in intercommunal fights between 1958-1974 is around 850!!

Where did you get the 2000 figure for your village????

iceman


Joined: 15/08/2008
Posts: 724

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 20:01

I am not taking sides zanny...just stating some facts..

Truth sometimes hurts...

gooligan


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Posts: 1591

Message Posted:
19/12/2008 22:09

The difference being is that Iceman knows what he is talking about.

moomoo


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 00:43

Please Note: I think Zanny is not TC but Greek. He was exposed on other threads and his email was a greek name..



This would explain his rather "unusual" behaviour and statements..



Check his posts and you will see..



His name is Steven Latsis but has now removed his email address since some of the ex-pats busted him.



He was not aware the email he registered would show.. lol

moomoo


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 00:44

Iceman.. earlier Zanny was claiming that the Turkish Cypriots were gassed.. Ignore him mate.. he is not TC.. ;)

moomoo


Joined: 15/12/2008
Posts: 18

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 00:49

As a Turkish Cyprtiot I would like to formally welcome JimmyG to N.Cyprus..



Also congratulations are in order for his good daughters wedding coming soon..



Welcome Welcome Welcome!!



You like all ex-pats in N.Cyprus are family!

Steve1953



Joined: 04/12/2008
Posts: 298

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 00:49

Just another thought that might be progressive - I thought that the old cypriot land registrars were based upon the british system when they were established. From what I've read in Bitter Lemons and been told,many retired British officers bought land and houses in Kyrenia when they retired between 1878- 1950's .

It follows that progressive land sales/houses built /ownership could be traced back like a family tree - if this is so,why cannot the two land registrars publish a list of potential problem land/ houses and circulate these to solicitors. I also assume that the new £250 legal fee and searches should solve future buys .

Surely this way forward is preferred to deadlock? Steve

Groucho



Joined: 26/04/2008
Posts: 7993

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 08:53

Maybe the TC owner of the land at Larnaca airport will be entitled to compensation for every plane that has landed there since.... as the new "owner" who appropriated the land without refrence to the rightful owner has not shared the charges levied... He could be a billionaire...

Aussie


Joined: 17/06/2007
Posts: 657

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 11:12

Iceman



As a TC your views on the Cyprus problem based on recent posts are very interesting.



As I understand it you believe that Turkey should have intervened in 1974 but left soon after restoring the government system as per the original 1960 constitution.



I was curious as to whether you think most TC's have this view and whether this would have been practical in 1974 given the inflamed situation that existed ?



Have your views (and in your opinion many other TC's) on this changed since 1974 based on what happened since, or did you always think this was the way to go at the time ?



Thanks



Aussie

mmmmmm



Joined: 19/12/2008
Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 11:22

re msg 5



Well HELLO, Iceman ...;) I'm VERY pleased to hear you make that distinction ...



I've used the same explanation ( pointing out that building lots of army bases was NOT the same as a public works projects ) .. but it sounds SO much better coming from you !



We REALLY need to talk.. and I'll tell you what I've been up to ..

fire starter


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Posts: 3401

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 11:40

someone once gave me the figure of 18% , which was the land owned at larnaca airport by a tc.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 16:45

Steve1953: "It follows that progressive land sales/houses built /ownership could be traced back like a family tree - if this is so,why cannot the two land registrars publish a list of potential problem land/ houses and circulate these to solicitors."



Because the legitimate government of Cyprus will not deal with the TRNC.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 18:23

As I have said before "Compulsory Purchased" in the south but "stolen" in the north.....................double standards me thinks

Becks


Joined: 17/11/2008
Posts: 130

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 18:29

What's good for them is good for us, they can't have it all one way

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 21:48

Turtle: "As I have said before "Compulsory Purchased" in the south but "stolen" in the north.....................double standards me thinks."



No, compulsory purchase for public works means exactly that both in the south and the north. Land is needed for a crucial public sector project and property owners are compensated by statute, again be they RoC or TRNC.



Stealing and handling stolen property is very different. It is not about improvements for the greater good of all. It's about immorality and cashing in on war and suffering for personal gain. But there is a civil court system to deal with people like that.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 21:51

So the Airport does not make money for the ROC ?

Whats the difference

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 21:59

A replacement airport built to to serve the citizens of a country, after the original one became inaccessible due to military occupation, is a public works project.



A holiday villa with dodgy title, built on seized land and occupied by a speculating foreigner who ignored all the warnings because it was CHEAP, is not a public works project.



As well you know.

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
20/12/2008 22:04

The TRNC like any country or entity has the right to survive and even prosper. A country that is ostracised and deemed a pariah is going to find this survival harder and prospering an unlikely dream.

With the rejection of the Annan plan, and consequently forced to endure further hardship, the TRNC decided to sell the land in the North to foreign investors. As a consequence of doing so, it has been able to generate 40% of it's income through this process.

Failure to sell the land would have created further hardship for it's people and left it to the mercy of the baying dogs.

Turtle


Joined: 28/05/2007
Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 00:07

I don't believe Paphos Airport is built on TC land so why not build that airport sooner instead of Larnaca as Paphos is only some 65 miles away ?



There is only one reason Larnaca was built first and I think we all Know the reason behind this decision

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 10:32

Turtle



Nicosia International and Tymbou - (Ercan) were "lost" to most Cypriots in 1974.



How far is Baf/ Paphos from Nicosia? .. 100 miles.. LCA was built in the nearest place to Niscosia that was physically possible



1/ To be reasonably safe from shelling



2/ Not to inferfere or be interfered with by British or TR miliary traffic



YES, much of it is on TC land and the owners SHOULD receive fair compo - as two wrongs don't make a right.



Suzanne, by the "new" LCA are you referring to the terminal buildings? The Runway( as is a lot of McKenzie Beach ) is part built on TC land - this is not in question.



Please do listen to Iceman.. Public works projects are NOT the same as a "govt" handing over someone land / property - having fled and being stopped from returning - and allowing it to be sold for private gain.



Cyprus property ownership is a mess, which is why one needs to be careful and buy on title that no-one can challenge. It costs more for a reason.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 18:43

So I assume G.C. lover's that Larnaca airport being " for public use" generates no profit for the thieves in the South then??



We all know that double standards apply with ALL dealings between the two sides as the G.C.'s only want everything there own way.



Little Boy in the Sailor Suit msg 54



Double standards you see because if the ROC refuses to deal with the TRNC Govt why are they currently in talks with them?????If you don't recognise someone you shouldn't have talks with them. Common sense, but then again that is a commodity clearly not applicable to the ROC and certain others !!!!!

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:02

ilc: "The TRNC like any country or entity has the right to survive and even prosper."



Exept when the United Nations Security Council tells the rest of us in the real world that we should never recognise this "country" - advice which the international community has followed to the letter.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:07

Except the ROC which is currently having talks with them; Britain when it wants someone arrested; The EU which has given millions in aid;and numerous others who all say the sanctions should end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:10

Gibson msg 64: "... if the ROC refuses to deal with the TRNC Govt why are they currently in talks with them?????"



You are wrong again. The RoC is not in talks with something which is unrecognised. The leader of the GC community is in talks with the leader of the TC community. If you followed the news and did the required reading you would have known that.



You should have followed my advice to maintain observer status on the BB until you knew enough about Cyprus to speak with some credibility. I'm trying to help you out here. Haven't you been embarrassed enough?

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:12

msge 65



I can only presume from your comments, that you are very comfortable for ordinary TC's to live in squalor, and to be disempowered at the negotiating table.

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:17

ilc,



No, I share the views of all those TCs who know very well that the creation of the "TRNC" has subjected them to a generation of isolation and hardship. The worst ones to cashin on their misfortune and that of the GC were carpetbagging expats wanting a holiday home on the cheap. The same people who are now facing the music.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:23

I am not embarrassed at all as I clearly have a lot more knowledge about this than you. The two leaders represent their Governments and population.I thought even a fool would realise that but there we go.I did tell you once before that you could write your knowledge down, sign it and it may run to 3 lines. Make that the back of a postage stamp instead.I note you do not comment on the EU stance but again perhaps that is stretching you somewhat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



At this rate even the Daily Sport won't want your reporting "skills"

ilovecyprus


Joined: 08/05/2007
Posts: 2880

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:25

msge 69



You share the minority view. Remember most TC's blame their isolation on the GC's, EU and the International community. Most TC's are happy with Turkish administration.

I suggest you read the CEPS report thoroughly, but I know you wont because the report doesn't fall in line with your views.

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:29

Pike, I would guess then that your property bought after 1974 in the "TRNC" will be up for sale soon as it is situated in a country that nobody recognises ?

You must have some dealings with the authorities in TRNC or your property would be repossessed by now so why would someone with such hatred for the TRNC and anything Turkish deal with the authorities in the TRNC.

So really you are supporting the TRNC ?



How do you defend these actions when you are so anti Turkish.

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:40

Turtle re 72



It always makes me smile wryly when a GC admonishes me for visiting the north or holidaying in Turkey or a TC/ someone supporting "TRNC" moans at folk for shopping in the south or using LCA..



Well done, PP for choosing to live in one of the most beautiful areas of Cyprus without treading on anyone's' toes by buying on disputed property..



AND ignoring "small-minded" folk who possibly need to examine their own stds ;)

PtePike



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Posts: 2334

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:45

turtle,



My house is in Kyrenia, Cyprus. That's what is says on both my kocans and on my international certificate of ownership. You can talk about the "TRNC" if you want, but it's meaningless to most people.



I'm in no hurry to sell, as happy times are around the corner for the Cypriots and I look forward to sharing it with them them in years to come.

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 19:49

Turtle



You forgat that the person in question would never utter a word against the Government, TRNC or Turkey in public. Let's face it he will only appear on here in anonimity so what does that tell you!!!!!



If people have the strength of their convictions they are prepared to say them out in the open without hiding behind some pathetic little pseudonym.



mmmmm

How do you know he doesn't live in a disputed property??????after all the other lies you cannot know !!!!!!

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 21:07

mmmmm,

I myself have very high standards and don't need any examination of them thank you however the person in question has constantly bad mouthed and criticised the North. This is the person who bought property in a "rogue State" as he put it and no he does not live in TRNC he has done what everyone else has done done and bought property on the cheap shame on him.

He contributes to a govenment that he despises and criticises everyone else for doing the same and as for being small minded take a good look at this clowns rantings over the last 6 months........but obviously you already know who is is anyway.

Go back to your happy clappy board where you not allowed to get into any arguments

mmmmmm



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Posts: 8398

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 21:59

re 75



Gibson335 are you suggesting that on this board and in "TRNC" one cannot speak freely .. WHAT is PP doing here.. Many members know who he really is and where his place is..



Suggest you ask Iceman or Elko.. thaey might think PP is a "Pain in the ass", but they'd put you straight...



When you've checked this out, do come back and be sure to say I GOT IT WRONG..





Turtle re 76



Concerning PP same applies to you ...



I presume you mean the phpbb... NC forum? If you REALLY knew what you were talking about - you just have proved you don't.... I post in exactly the same way there.. and on "TRNC" villa "owners" ...



I suppose I'm a "fibbe"r, now , too ;)

Turtle


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Posts: 2669

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 22:14

Mark does your fingers have tourettes ? Whats all this ""??:;'...(; business in between words

WAZ-24-7



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Posts: 695

Message Posted:
21/12/2008 22:24

pp.



A little off thread but do you support the embargo upon the TRNC.



I understand that you reside in TRNC ( applogies if you do not). I would have thought that it would be in your interest to welcome the convergence concessions of ROC and TRNC.

It is clear that the isolation is certainly diminishing. I dont think i need to list the positive changes that have been seen over ther the last 5 years. Your knowlege of Cypriot history makes it unnecessary.



Bring on the continued Peace and settlement!!

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
Posts: 325

Message Posted:
22/12/2008 10:58

mmmmmmmmm



I think you need to understand my post a little better as no where does it deny freedom of speech.The point it makes is that if a certain person had the strength of his convictions he would not need anonimity.Yes Izzet and others may know his real name but it is not there on the profile is it?????

He has also refused offers to meet with T.C.'s who lived through the war here to obtain first hand accounts. An offer he constantly refuses as he is afraid of the truth.I have no issue with someone having a BALANCED opinion and listening to both sides of an argument.However if someone uses a Forum to constantly denigrate their place of residence ( Government, Police etc) without the courage to actually do it in public then I think they are a coward!

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 11:23

gibson

have you still got those blinkers on,lol?

what happened to the guys who insulted mr t on the internet?

did they not go to jail?

so that was freedom of speech!

gibson335


Joined: 01/11/2008
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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 11:39

The post was saying that I was wanting to restrict free speech. As for the guys who got jailed I do not know what thay said about Talat(I am not a fan of his either) but in many Countries if you go over the top about it's leaders you will be in trouble. Mugabe would have simply had them killed. I have strongly critcized this Government in writing in the newspaper here and called them useless and inept yet nothing has happened to me so Freedom of speech is alive and well here!!!!!!

JimmyG


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 11:48

moomoo Re : Msg 48 Thank you for your kind wishes.....much appreciated.

PtePike



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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:01

Good point, FS. Does anyone have any updates on the young lads placed in custody over alleged remarks on the internet?

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:03

gibson

are you a kimlik holder?