How did Cyprus justify entering the EU without a referendum ?

Aussie


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:27

http://www.polishsite.us/politics-and-economy/eastern-europe-and-eu/113-eu-referendum-results-for-ten-countries-in-2003.html





"Referendum took place in nine from ten countries-candidates from March until September, 2003. Everywhere majority of people supported joining European Union. Cyprus, only the Greek part, joined EU without a referendum.



In some countries, like Slovenia or Czech republic, high support for joining EU was expected. In some other countries, like Poland (read more about Polish referendum ), Slovakia, Latvia or Lithuania and Malta, the positive outcome was not that certain. In Hungary the turnover was low, less than 50% but it was still valid according to Hungarian law. "





How did Cyprus justify not having a referendum and why was it accepted by the EU given the ongoing dispute and continued violation of the terms of its 1960 constitution ?



Aussie

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 17:58

And more to the point the ROC lied about its fiscal status which was subsequently realised by the EU but ignored.

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 18:23

1 and 2 Absolutely spot on.



The Union must not allow the ROC to frog march litigation cases through its district courts that would award damages to any GC who were displaced.



Fortunately the ROC legal system must tow the Brussels line and any EU member or citizen can appeal against it judgments.

Generally speaking the Courts in Brussels are able to find the fair and just solution to most situations. The ROC will not be allowed to be prejudice against Northern Cyprus defendants.

moomoo


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Message Posted:
19/12/2008 23:28

Guys and this mainly goes to Ex Pats.. do NOT ever feel bad about buying land in Cyprus..



How often do we hear about the Turkish Cypriots who lost land in the sound when they were displaced..???



As I Turk I proudly welcome to all Brits and Aussies. You are our brothers and welcome on our Island!



Peace!

aweverard


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 03:32

Aussie,



The UK did not have a referendum when joining. It is up to each country to decide how they will go about joining the EU. The RoC would have seen benefits as an EU member, leverage regarding the CypProb, so may not have wanted or needed a referendum.



As they are Now in the EU they will have to abide by EU law including the bits they don't like.

cyprusishome


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 08:15

msg 5



UK did have a referendum in 1973 to join the then EEC or Common Market which subsequently evolved into what it is named to day. Wish we had taken notice of Gen de Gaulle!!!!



We were conned by Grocer Heath at that time as to the benefits of joining the organisation. We have been paying for it ever since.

Aussie


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 10:21

You could argue that if the ROC didn't feel the need to have a referendum on this they shouldn't have to have one of reunification either especially if its just regarded as an extension of the existing republic.



On a side point I saw on French TV a while ago a government spokesperson was demanding an EU wide referendum on whether to accept Turkey into the EU which has never been done for any other prospective member.



Aussie

fire starter


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 11:08

i personally wonder why the south was allowed to join the e.u., without being made to have a solution first.



aussie

as for the french guy spouting off about turkey, who cares what the french have to say.

they are only one member of the e.u.

remember the uk has backed turkey to join, now they need the germans onside.

Aussie


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 11:22

Fire starter I agree with your view on the Fench position on Turkeys EU membership application I just raised it to illustrate the hypocracy that existed.



The Journalist who did the interview raised this point as to why he wanted a referendum for Turkey and not Croatia etc and he replied that it was becase Turkey was not part of Europe and even went on the say that Russia wasn't either. Given the vast land mass of European Russia and it traditional key role in European affairs this was an even more ridiculous proposition.



By rights if you where drawing the map today Europe shouldn't even be considered a separate continent as it has no real separation from Asia. India/ Pakistan/ Bangladesh is much closer to a continent than Europe.



Aussie

fire starter


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 12:52

i think turkey will get in to the e.u.

remember the usa are also for it, even if in the background.

aweverard


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 17:19

Cyprusishome msg 6



Sorry I was a bit young to remember that. That said it is up to each nation whether or not to have referenda on joining the EU.



Aussie msg 9



If you ask a geographer then the island of Cyprus is not in Europe but parts of Turkey are!

WAZ-24-7



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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 17:23

There are clear advantages for EU, UN, USA and Turkey alike by their joining the EU.

Turkey and indeed Cyprus have significant strategic value being stagging posts to the Middle East.



Turkey are significant exporters to most EU states and benefit flowws both ways.



There is a clear incentive to resolve the Cyprus issue based around Turkey's possible membership.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 17:50

fire starter

Turkey was never interested in becoming part of the EU but shall we just say that America offered an 'introduction' and certain benefits to Turkey should they go down the route of EU membership. With the global economic crisis deepening I would not be surprised if Turkey pulled out of their application to become part of the EU. Their best bet would be to carry on aligning themselves with other Islamic countries of which they certainly have stronger ties with than the western world.

AJ

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 19:17

The UN state it was a strategic mistake made by the EU to allow the GC's to join the EU without a Cyprus solution



http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/world/10611602.asp?gid=244

PtePike



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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 19:24

Aussie: "You could argue that if the ROC didn't feel the need to have a referendum on this they shouldn't have to have one of reunification either especially if its just regarded as an extension of the existing republic."



Excellent point!

Turtle


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 19:32

ILC , I think the last sentence of the statement is the key factor in all this but I feel this simply will not happen, but we live in hope

ilovecyprus


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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 19:35

Hi Turtle



The last statement says alot

phylray



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Message Posted:
20/12/2008 22:39

Turkey did want to join the E.U but now reports say they are not so

bothered.

I think you are right Cyprusishome. It would have been a good incentive

to help towards a solution.

Aussie


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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 00:48

ILC



Good article and pretty strong language from Downer.





Aussie

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 09:50

1/ Back in the first half of 2000's - If you had asked most Cypriots if they wanted to join the EU ( North or South of the green line ) they would have said YES..



GCs thought it was a way to "bash" Turkey and to gain support and strength..

TCs thought it would bring economic benefit after the bank crashes and huge Turkish Lira devaluations



2/ AJ, I knew the Greek ( real Greeks ) "Fibbed" about their economy to join the Euro, but where is your source re the RoC ?



It is a well known fact that TR tried and failed legal moves to stop the RoC's accession to the EU.



It is also NOT so well known that Greece threatened to veto the EU enlargement of 2004 to 25 states unless the RoC was included.....

fire starter


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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 10:09

hi geat real!

have we met somewhere before?

are you the same GR?

or a fake?



regards rose

kibrissibel


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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 12:08

If Turkey did join the EU, and personally I hope they don't, what will all the ex-pats do who rely on the high lira interest payments which will disappear?

mmmmmm



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Message Posted:
21/12/2008 12:27

Sibel



If TR joined the EU, you might find that dodgy builders and property deeds / ownership problems would be easier to resolve.

Aussie


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:02

mmmmmm



So far the EU membership has done nothing to solve the title deed building and subsequent mortgage and sale of the same properties more than once in the ROC. Based on recent reports in the Cyprus Mail from the ROC these problems appear of an even greater magnitude than the TRNC (if thats possible).





I understand both the Greek and Spanish systems also have major problems and there is no uniformity across the EU.



Aussie

fire starter


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Message Posted:
22/12/2008 12:15

aussie

this has also been going on in bulgaria.

lots of buildings without planning permisions,ect.