[ HISTORIC WALKS ] Here's the programme for March!

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 13:56

This year is the fourth year of Historic Walks in TRNC!



This shortened URL ▶ [ http://is.gd/NYXuxb ] redirects to my webpage with the March programme "Historic Walks".



All supporters of the Medieval Cyprus Fellowship (MCF) will receive all available information today.

Millwall123


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 14:55

Post deleted , you have a choice , if you have a problem with DC take it off board , or do not respond to his posts , easy ......... Simbas

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 15:10

I have used DC's website re historical walks for 2 years no problems at all, a genuine man always there to help and knows what he is talking about, learned a lot from him at no cost whatsoever.

simbas



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 15:15

Msg 2 edited

Simbas

suehowlittle


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 15:35

Well done Simbas, I am as sick of it all as you are. Nice to know you are keeping an eagle-eye on things to keep some sense of order.

hwilde


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Posts: 230

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:08

DutchCrusader



How much does it cost to go on the walks?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:24

@ msg 6, hwilde: This shortened URL ▶ [ http://is.gd/NYXuxb ] redirects to my webpage with the March programme "Historic Walks" and all other details (subject to changes).

hwilde


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:26

I'm just asking what the walks cost.

Why can't you say on here?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:28

@ msg 8, hwilde: (...) I'm just asking what the walks cost. (...)

▶ Yes, I can read. This shortened URL ▶ [ http://is.gd/NYXuxb ] redirects to my webpage with the March programme "Historic Walks" and all other details (subject to changes).

Millwall123


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:37

"Please keep on topic. I have deleted the message as irrelevant. If you have a problem with this please send private message to moderators but do not pursue it here"

ismet (one of the moderators on C44.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:38

▶ Friday, March 09, South-Nicosia Walk, from 09.00 am: Fully booked.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 16:50

hwilde, because of your history of spoiling any thread I start you are on a very short list of people who I don't want to join one of my walks. Furthermore the people I meet during walks introduce themselves to each other and don't write anonymous silly posts from behind a keyboard. If you like walking (not) and are interested in history (not), too bad, no walking with me. And not one bit of information either.

hwilde


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 17:05

DutchCrusader



The truth, which you are a stranger to, is that you are trading without a work or business permit and so you dare not say what your walks cost.



"The rest deleted for making threats to moderators" ismet

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
24/02/2012 17:11

hwilde

Post your evidence on here other wise just butt out. Personal vendettas are not welcome on Cyprus44.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 17:36

Thanks to several C44 members for their kind emails! All mail will be replied to after dinner.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 17:37

2 thing 1st AJ you are not a mod anymore

your bullying days are over



2nd If someone is offering a service which promotes Cyprus

where is the problem

the OP is a bonus to people who want to learn

his knowledge on history cannot be faulted

Millwall123


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 17:46

Message 10.....will you advise how to send a message to admin.



Ta

dalartokat


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 17:54

Woodspeckie mentioned that no charge was made when going on a walk with DC and on his site it mentions the word "free".



If all DC is doing is inviting people to walk with him and he can explain the History of Northern Cyprus whilst walking, that he is ensuring, that as far as possible what is presented as fact is accurate, that a clear distinction is made between fact or opinions and that everyone is aware of their own Health & Safety, in which case they should make sure their own Health Insurance is up-to-date, then one can only assume he would not have been invited to the Cocktail Party for Tourism Guides if there was a problem.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:10

Millwall123



'Message 10.....will you advise how to send a message to admin.'



Look on the main page and directly under the list of members and you will see 'Forum Admins Email: forumadmins@cyprus44.com'.

Easy.



(the insult has been edited out. ismet)

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:20

PB message 17

'2 thing 1st AJ you are not a mod anymore

your bullying days are over'.



Phil, first of all I despise personal vendettas on 44 especially when no evidence is provided to support accusations. And thus I will do whatever I can do to stop these situations from happening. These sort of postings are morally wrong or do you not think so?

If you think I am 'bullying' then so be it. But we all know that you have no morals, at least if you have then you have not shown any so far.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:25

If you sober up AJ

you will see I was defending the original OP



morals ?

you do not know me

I know you own exchange property



want a discussion ?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:30

For the sake of people who are interested in medieval Cyprus history and architecture: back on topic, please. The topic is "Historic Walks". Thank you.

Ed1957


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:35

This thread is not a credit to the board.

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:38

PB

1: 'you do not know me'



2:'I know you own exchange property'



3:'want a discussion ?'



My answers

1: And you do not know me.



2: Do you really? see my answer 3



3: Bring it on but please start a new thread.



But do not expect any answers until tomorrow.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 18:45

Please stay on topic AJ

AlsancakJack



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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 19:40

Phil

Start a new thread and lets discuss your assumptions about me.

Ed1957


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 21:35

Why do we need to read any of this personal anymosity?



are there any adults out there?

spider


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Message Posted:
24/02/2012 22:14

I would not go on one of these walks because I guess Han's would not allow me But I would not bother to ask ! I could even follow behind him with his little red flag and hid from time to time I must say that he does do a lot for the tourist's here. Even though is walks are not free. I have no idea how much they are either. But for people who like this sort of thing its all good that at least we have something and someone who knows a little of these historical buildings.



Maybe soon he might be able to get invited to this event next April and even receive an award. I was invited with the KLD. For all the free time they give to the tourists and charities over here. Well done the KLD.and we were all sorry not to see Han's invited to collect his trophy.



http://postimage.org/image/yfxkymo3b/



Well done to the liners and good luck Han's that you to might be picking yours up soon.I think the KLD are a little shy to show their great achievement so I have posted it.

minertor



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Message Posted:
25/02/2012 12:16

msg 24>This thread is not a credit to the board.



it's not the thread, Ed.



msg29>.....................................................even though is

walks are not free. I have no idea how much they are either



I've been on one spider, it was free. Wife bought a cd and a map

that I thought were dear, but she didn't have to, there was no pressure.



T

CathW


Joined: 09/10/2011
Posts: 36

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 12:40

DC

We are coming over in April, will you be running similar walks in that month. We would love to learn more about the island.



Cath

hattikins


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Posts: 2793

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 13:07

If people dislike or distrust DC that is their choice, if they don't want to go on his walks, again that's their choice, but there are people who do enjoy the walks and DC is providing information for them.



To those who just join in the posts to have a go at DC why don't you butt out and stop spoiling it for others, it gets very boring.

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
25/02/2012 13:09

Spider. Get your facts right, the walk didn't cost me a lira.

laptajack


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Posts: 95

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 18:00

would love to go on one of your walks, but never seem to be in TRNC at the right time.

Heres hoping..



Re mesaage 24,



...well it was until the bored scum bags decided to chip in and there appears to be a few on this board..

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 19:34

@ msg 34, laptajack: Check the programme and then take your holiday... Let me know when you are and I'll reserve a place for you. OK?

This shortened URL ▶ [ http://is.gd/NYXuxb ] redirects to my webpage with the March programme "Historic Walks" and all other details (subject to changes).

I'll upload the programme for April and May as soon as possible.

suehowlittle


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Posts: 1202

Message Posted:
25/02/2012 20:09

I will so enjoy an informative walk wherever it is.



Let's just pray that the inclement weather is on it's way out.



This is a brilliant way to get some exercise and learn the marvellous history of this place which we are calling home.



Can't wait!



ps. For the detractors of this thread - Take a long walk!

Marion


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Posts: 1816

Message Posted:
26/02/2012 03:33

PERSONAL OPINIONS OF HANS DON'T MATTER! Opinions of his walks that he is offering do matter. I have been on one of his walks and it was informative and FREE. If you wish , you may buy a map etc, but that is a choice, and don't forget that they cost money for Hans to produce, so what is wrong in giving him the costs back!

The accusations of his illegality etc, etc are unwarranted and unkind. The guy is offering a service which people may or may not choose to take up. Personally I think they are a terrific freebie for anyone who knows little of the history of the island and can learn a lot from Hans.

as I say, whether you like the guy or not it totally irrelevant. You are taking a commodity from him namely knowledge of the island. definitely a bargain.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/02/2012 19:48

@ msg 30, Minertor: (...) Wife bought a cd and a map that I thought were dear (...)

▶ Tony, for your personal information. A map of Kyrenia, Nicosia, Famagusta, Slamis etc., is FREE to use during a walk.

(My only question: "Please, don't bend the map and keep the map tidy if you are going to return the map.")

Only one out of ten participants during a walk buy/keep the map.

Because they like the map or they leave the map in their villa for future guests to use.

I charge 5 (five!) Turkish Lira for a laminated, regularly updated map.



A printed map costs me 1 TL in Girne.

I or my wife drive 2x 12 km to and from Girne (2x 1 litre of petrol), waiting for the prints for one or two hours.

At home we laminate the map: 1 TL per laminate sheet.

We put the laminated map in a plastic cover: 1 TL.

I won't bother you with all the details about the equipment I need to design maps. Did you notice that the latest Adobe CS 5 suite I has this price tag: 1500 Euros?

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
26/02/2012 19:54

Msg 38 (continued).



Forget the rest of the software I need and buy (for 20 years I have NO illegal software on my Macintoshes). Forget all the money I spend on Macintoshes and peripherals. Any idea how much you pay for dual-core new Mac able to run Lion and Mountain Lion software?

When I have to drive to Famagusta to conduct a walk - my petrol is free of course. Yeah.

Five Turkish Lira for a nicely printed, laminated map.

Too "dear", eh, Tony?

AngelaT


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Posts: 114

Message Posted:
26/02/2012 20:46

Why do people insist on commenting on DC's threads when they just want to try and discredit him? He is offering a FREE service to people who are interested in the history of Cyprus. If you are not interested... don't read his threads. Simple. Leave it to those who are interested



Whenever I look at this site it seems to be the same people 'having a go' all the time. Just give it a rest.

As someone has already said...it is boring.

dippersgirl



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Message Posted:
26/02/2012 21:17

Really would like to go on your South Nicosia walk, hope you have one in April or May

minertor



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Message Posted:
26/02/2012 23:52

I wasn't "having a go" at anybody. I was merely expressing an opinion. My wife bought the map, 10tl Hans, not 5tl and cd, 25tl for the 2, and was quite happy with them. I laminated the map myself, it was in a loose film bag when we were loaned it.

You don't need to explain anything to me, I would quite happily have paid the 25tl for the walk. One of your better ideas.



T

philbailey


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Message Posted:
27/02/2012

I guess msg 42,that was a donation

Woodspeckie


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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 00:06

pb. can you not read she paid for a map and cd's.read msg 38 if you can read, you certainly cannot write sentences.

philbailey


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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 00:50

Sorry msg44, I thought you need a permit to sell things

obviously I was wrong

minertor



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 01:48

ok PB, it was a donation. The cd and map were free. I have the cd in front of me. CD Nr. 11 15ytl



"A lecture by Hans Doeleman for the Medieval Cyprus Fellowship"



It contains 150+ photographs. Well worth the 15ytl donation but there is no dialogue. It does say below "ILLUSTATED TEXT OF THE READING WITH ALL MAPS, DRAWINGS AND PHOTOS"

I suppose the two were worth the 25tl donation. At the time my wife was disappointed that there was no lecture.



T

ps now how the feck did I get drawn into this. Think I'll keep my opinions to myself in future, as if...

minertor



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 08:57

Cont; yes Hans, the map is laminated and must have been when my wife bought it. It is inside the sleeve from a ring binder. Which is why I was going to do it myself. The price on the accompanying info sheet says:

"MAP ONLY: 10TL. CD ONLY: 15TL. SPECIAL OFFER: CD AND MAP: 20TL"

Guess my wife owes me 5tl.



T

ps I charge 5 (five!) Turkish Lira for a laminated, regularly updated map.



Hans, the map states "Kyrenia around the year 1300" Where do the regular updates come from.



pps Hans, do me a favour, don't reply. I take back all I said about "too dear" I'll have another to compare the changes. I have no wish to become embroiled in another slanging match. My ban (conditionally lifted) doesn't end until May 2021. I wish you well with your helpful endeavors.





s ..

AngelaT


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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 09:26

Message 42.



Minertor. I really didn't mean you. I just get fed up of coming onto the site and the same people seem to be squabbling amongst themselves or trying to pick a fight with other people.



A small minority of people use it as a site for their personal vendettas. It's easy to tell who doesn't like who. Some people make it their mission to leave negative messages on every single thread DC starts. I like to look at DC's posts as they are informative and helpful but then have to read all the rubbish where people write horrible personal remarks. It is always the same people.

DutchCrusader



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Posts: 11281

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 10:52

@ msg 46, Minertor: (...) It contains 150+ photographs. Well worth the 15ytl donation but there is no dialogue. It does say below "ILLUSTATED TEXT OF THE READING WITH ALL MAPS, DRAWINGS AND PHOTOS" (...)



▶ Sorry, Tony, I must answer you! First the CD: you obviously got a faulty CD. There SHOULD be pictures AND text on the CD. I'm sorry that this is not the case on your CD. Here are solutions I can think of now: I can return your money, I can make a new CD (on my new LaCie CD/DVD writer for Macintosh: 130 Euros...) or I'll make the complete CD #11 PLUS another free and illustrated lecture of your choice available for downloading (If you choose this option I'll mail you the download link). I hope, Tony, you find this satisfying?



Now for the map you bought: the first maps I had printed were more expensive (10 TL) than later maps, when I went to Magic Touch in Kyrenia. As I stated above: Magic Touch makes good quality prints on reasonable paper for 1 TL.

[ more ]

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:01

[ msg 49 continued ].



@ msg 47, Minertor: (...) Hans, the map states "Kyrenia around the year 1300" Where do the regular updates come from. (...)



Updates of maps I use and provide for free use during walks. In Minertor's case: Kyrenia (if I'm not mistaken). The "Kyrenia 1300" map has been updated at least nine times with major or minor additions, since the first version. I've added some monuments and updated the city lay-out. The Kyrenia Castle can now be printed and shown according to the Lusignan situation (around 1300) and/or after the Venetian alterations (around 1550).



I'm always pleased when people show an interest in the art of map designing/making. So, Tony, don't hesitate to mail me with more questions or write them here...

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:31

@ msg 45, philbailey: (...) Sorry msg44, I thought you need a permit to sell things obviously I was wrong (...)

▶ Phil it's even worse than you think!

Several times, mainly after a Kyrenia Walk, when we end the walk near the terrace at the ancient Roman harbour, East of the castle - I have accepted a free beer!

This must be another terrible shock for you and your high morals.

Please, Phil, don't tell the Police.

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 11:51

I'm looking at quite a long list of people who want to join the mailing list of the free "Medieval Cyprus Fellowship" and request the User Name and Password for the programme of Historic Walks in March.

But!

There are relatives staying with us this week so I'm even busier than usual - however I'll reply today to all email! Check your mail Inbox today!

minertor



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Posts: 1238

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 14:17

msg 50.........................I'm always pleased when people show an interest in the art of map designing/making. So, Tony, don't hesitate to mail me with more questions or write them here...







tried that Hans, somebody called Mailer daemon replied.

Thanks anyway but will keep what I have.

Suppose they must be ok if I know where they are



T

DutchCrusader



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 14:20

@ msg 53, Minertor: Tony, this email address must work: mcf.trnc@gmail.com .

minertor



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Message Posted:
27/02/2012 14:25

cheers Hans, now where did I put that book of swearwords



T

AlsancakJack



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Posts: 5762

Message Posted:
27/02/2012 14:52

PB

Message 45



'obviously I was wrong'



You certainly are.

Perhaps you would be better off not commenting on the TRNC when it is obvious you know nothing about the country and what goes on out here.